00:31 <+bridge_> <totar> Its not their fault, the person implementing spec flag probably had no idea how fragile it was
00:45 <+bridge_> <kebscs> trying to fit it atm, it was broken before the spec flag
00:46 <+bridge_> <totar> should we fix it?
00:46 <+bridge_> <totar> players probably prefer having another gimmick
00:47 <+bridge_> <kebscs> why not
00:47 <+bridge_> <kebscs> seems weird
00:47 <+bridge_> <kebscs> easy fix seems to be just this
00:47 <+bridge_> <kebscs> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1466218162331586620/image.png?ex=697bf192&is=697aa012&hm=65864581c98527b09bc7fa892463c3b0eedf66430249fd83d58251cb7191cb1f&
00:52 <+bridge_> <totar> isn't this completely different?
00:53 <+bridge_> <totar> you do OnDirectInput even when they're paused or spec
00:53 <+bridge_> <kebscs> yes it does OnDirectInput when theyre paused
00:54 <+bridge_> <kebscs> just with latest input so you cant move, change direction etc
00:54 <+bridge_> <totar> does this function even get called if pNewInput will be null?
00:54 <+bridge_> <totar> does this function even get called if pNewInput would be null?
00:55 <+bridge_> <totar> nvm it does
00:55 <+bridge_> <kebscs> i think it doesnt
00:55 <+bridge_> <kebscs> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1466220196829073581/image.png?ex=697bf377&is=697aa1f7&hm=395574c834bd6e7074274da5e7e53a61e1fd49dff41c89d9db7f5ec564bab9c6&
00:55 <+bridge_> <totar> oh
00:55 <+bridge_> <totar> there's a return
00:56 <+bridge_> <totar> it does pass a nullptr higher up tho
00:56 <+bridge_> <totar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1466220329922727956/image.png?ex=697bf397&is=697aa217&hm=929a5d92fc4c42a72446a7f631433e3bddfd4e16274e01d13cc3f008f23cc983&
00:56 <+bridge_> <kebscs> yea but itll return on nulltpr it seems
00:56 <+bridge_> <totar> I would not touch this if it was me
00:56 <+bridge_> <totar> well
00:56 <+bridge_> <totar> I might if I cared a LOT
00:56 <+bridge_> <kebscs> why would it break?
00:57 <+bridge_> <totar> that's the wrong question
00:57 <+bridge_> <totar> you need to verify every reason it won't break
00:59 <+bridge_> <kebscs> i dont see reasons why it would, if only OnDirectInput sets the latest input
00:59 <+bridge_> <kebscs> its just rerunning what previous call passed, so it would have been broken before this change
01:00 <+bridge_> <totar> wait, but that return is only if they never sent an input
01:00 <+bridge_> <totar> it already does the thing you did
01:03 <+bridge_> <totar> there's a lot of implications here
01:03 <+bridge_> <totar> there's no way you considered all of these
01:03 <+bridge_> <totar> this affects antibot code
01:04 <+bridge_> <kebscs> just bcs it affects something doesnt mean everything gets broken
01:05 <+bridge_> <kebscs> to me seems m_Paused check was added to prevent from interacting when paused, and then forgot about it when adding auto fire on pause
01:05 <+bridge_> <kebscs> so keeping last input still prevents from interacting but handles the fire properly
01:05 <+bridge_> <totar> I just really don't think you've untangled this sufficiently
01:05 <+bridge_> <totar> it would take me at least an hour
01:06 <+bridge_> <kebscs> if you have any ideas whats wrong lmk
01:06 <+bridge_> <kebscs> just bcs it affects antibot doesnt mean its bad
01:06 <+bridge_> <louis> does this change any behavior other than holding down?
01:06 <+bridge_> <totar> doesn't this allow you to move your aim while in spec?
01:06 <+bridge_> <louis> i didnt know that was a thing
01:06 <+bridge_> <kebscs> no
01:06 <+bridge_> <kebscs> bcs it keeps the last input before spec
01:06 <+bridge_> <kebscs> so you cant move
09:36 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> How does one fire laser while being spec?
09:37 <+bridge_> <Assa> you bind /spec and hold fire, so you autofire in spec
11:01 <+ChillerDragon> woah I did not know that
11:01 <+ChillerDragon> maybe there is hope for becoming ddnet admin after all
11:01 <+ChillerDragon> @Assa only works on sv_pauseable 0 servers i assume?
11:02 <+ChillerDragon> so when /spec behaves like /pause
11:03 <+bridge_> <Assa> the one where you keep your tee obviously :justatest:
11:04 <+bridge_> <Assa> oh i don't know actually, because often a tee is still kept as long as it's moved, I don't know if this works on both
11:04 <+bridge_> <Assa> like you can still hold right, hold fire and then /spec
12:15 <+bridge_> <aegisub> some prior art here is discord's voice volume sliders which allow you to press the left and right arrow keys while dragging to do one-percent increments
12:15 <+bridge_> <aegisub> but either way the very left of the slider should of course be 0
12:18 <+bridge_> <gorp> first saw this in osu, I think its pretty nice behavior
13:08 <+bridge_> <Assa> the very left part is 0, this is the first increment
13:08 <+bridge_> <Assa> it goes 0, 2, 5, 7 for some reason 😄
13:10 <+bridge_> <kebscs> is there a reason why prediction is paused while in spectate
13:11 <+bridge_> <kebscs> this probably causes the desync when unspectating while deep frozen
14:11 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> prediction is paused while spectating because it's not necessary there and can only cause prediction failures
14:11 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> prediction while paused might be a good idea though
14:12 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> I like the suggestion https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1466391257893965916 to fix it
14:14 <+bridge_> <robyt3> You can already hold shift to move scrollbars slowly, but maybe it should be explained in a tooltip
14:21 <+bridge_> <kebscs> what about pause_spec?
14:21 <+bridge_> <kebscs> i fixed for regular pause, but spec removes the character so not sure about that
14:43 <+bridge_> <Assa> @aegisub this is already used in this menu to swap between skins, even if I hold mouse1 on the scrollbar
14:50 <+bridge_> <Assa> @robyt3 1 LOC, does this LGTY?
14:50 <+bridge_> <Assa> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1466430337906114642/screenshot_2026-01-29_14-49-55.png?ex=697cb72d&is=697b65ad&hm=54e0407076dba781162420d0fa604d18f432eee5e9d61a728280939f76124f0f&
14:51 <+bridge_> <Assa> The text is the same as in some editor scrollbar
15:14 <+bridge_> <inv41idu53rn4m3> An interesting and intuitive idea I had just now: while holding the slider, use mouse input events directly instead of cursor position, if using input events gives you a smaller increment than following the cursor
15:15 <+bridge_> <inv41idu53rn4m3> Then update the cursor position to match the slider position so they don't desync
15:15 <+bridge_> <Assa> I find it funny how much comments this problem receives, while it's literally solved and just missing a tooltip
15:16 <+bridge_> <Assa> I wish my envelope tiles would get that much attention
15:17 <+bridge_> <inv41idu53rn4m3> Tooltips and extra inputs isn't as intuitive, you have to actually read (people don't do that)
15:18 <+bridge_> <inv41idu53rn4m3> gosh why do I have UX opinions I literally use the console for everything
15:20 <+bridge_> <Assa> https://imgflip.com/i/aiowf5
15:23 <+bridge_> <Assa> jokes aside I'd find a hint where just the shift button is explained more intuitively, like an actual button that is pressed, better - however this would be much more work and would need integration on lots of other places
16:57 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> I've been tricked, I've been backstabbed and quite possibly bamboozled. I spent so much time looking where a function was used in a codebase, I usually use github for searching such stuff, and it was showing only 1 search result. In the end it wasn't showing other results because the file the function is used in is too big -.-
17:07 <+bridge_> <Assa> Classic github
18:50 <+ChillerDragon> why would you even use github its always so bad for search xd
18:54 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> it always worked before
18:55 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> now i'll use gitlab for searching xd
18:55 <+bridge_> <kebscs> it was always bad
18:55 <+bridge_> <kebscs> i use <https://grep.app/>
18:55 <+bridge_> <kebscs> if i need to search github
18:55 <+bridge_> <kebscs> it actually searches and groups duplicates
18:55 <+bridge_> <kebscs> it actually searches and groups duplicate repos
18:57 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> welp, it's not better than github xd
18:57 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1466492373633863795/image.png?ex=697cf0f3&is=697b9f73&hm=24189ca91dd0ece7c852444dbf98868c9c26b2462cb6fc0d3e2c01828df84015&
18:57 <+bridge_> <kebscs> yea only problem is that it ignores less known repos or smth
18:58 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> is LLVM a less known repo? 😬
19:00 <+bridge_> <kebscs> it did find it on llvm
19:01 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> it showed only 1 result, but there're at least 3
19:01 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1466493524836090039/image.png?ex=697cf206&is=697ba086&hm=ea1dcbabd5afd811f9e3e4959f8fa60f7bc923a091a619c0fcb71f9b3e893b8a&
19:03 <+bridge_> <kebscs> weird
19:03 <+bridge_> <kebscs> maybe bcs file too big
19:03 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> ye, that's why other results don't show up on github
19:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> so em, does anyone exactly know what the matrix bridge is
19:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> im going to try setting up the community fork today
20:04 <+bridge_> <melon> pretty sure we use matterbridge
20:06 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> encryption is disabled, is this to allow people to see previous messages?
20:06 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> or possibly the bot user needed it
20:06 <+bridge_> <Assa> in theory anyone can use a discord logger anyway
20:07 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> ye its more of a technical question for me idc really
20:56 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> This is my opinion about categories
20:56 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1466505001735164107/1466517669078634531
20:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> basically, make something like the filter system we have for tiles, but more usable. make current categories tags and show them as a prominent, primary tag via master (probably the same way for backwards compat)
20:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> this way, we can extend filters by including drags, hh, different solo types without arguing over if something is race anymore
20:58 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> this also makes it possible to purely rate maps based on difficulty. we can still make it harder to farm solo/race/dummy, but we already know there is not enough breathing room for these categories to be scaled up
20:58 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> categories would not imply points anymore, and all currently rated maps can inherit their current points values until a future (or never idk) rerate happens
20:59 <+bridge_> <manikoo> offtopic
21:00 <+bridge_> <manikoo> please use correct chat
21:00 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> how is this off topic?
21:00 <+bridge_> <manikoo> or we will arrest you
21:00 <+bridge_> <manikoo> 🔫
21:00 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> this has implications on the master server
21:00 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> and the website
21:00 <+bridge_> <manikoo> ok you are safe
21:00 <+bridge_> <manikoo> have a good day
21:01 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> tiles filter is stupid anyway, aint no way someone is making a decision on playing maps based on a switched freeze tile
21:01 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> either we remove that or just make them tile tags
21:02 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6049
21:02 <+bridge_> <manikoo> onewayfreeze is good example
21:03 <+bridge_> <manikoo> there is big space for new parts
21:03 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> why does deen close things as completed?
21:03 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> he closed rating maps after completion and achievements as completed...
21:04 <+bridge_> <robyt3> The "as completed" did not exist previously
21:04 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i assume they're not completed
21:04 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> ah
21:08 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> I posted a comment there, feel free to contribute to the discussion
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