03:25 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> АХАХХАХАХ, бобик ты серьезно?
03:25 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> Player::Snap
03:26 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> CPlayer::Snap
03:33 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> im gay btw
03:33 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> i use gentoo btw
06:54 <+bridge_> <Assa> can you Update the description a bit? I don't understand the current setup, when done we practice?
07:12 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> I don't know what you don't understand. It's just that if you didn't teleport and passed the startline like normal, practice is disabled when the team is locked and you kill, and keeps the spec state with you
07:39 <+bridge_> <Assa> so the team resets and you 'die' in spec or is the specing player not killed?
07:44 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> Ye died while in spec
07:45 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> And practice disabled
09:47 <+bridge_> <Assa> @learath2 can you take a look? You wrote the pause logic 7 years ago as you certainly remember :justatest:
10:22 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> This wasn't that old. #9690
10:22 <+bridge_> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9690
10:24 <+bridge_> <Assa> but this one is: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/5626259b276acfebe4ca8b8872e6b285637199e2
10:29 <+bridge_> <Assa> and now, I understand the issue I think
10:29 <+bridge_> <Assa> you can spec-pause with practice, then unpractice, but you are still in spec pause, even if this is disabled
10:34 <+bridge_> <Assa> @pioooooo do you think this is important enough to be part of 19.7 already? I don't understand why fix changes physics and I don't directly understand how this can lead to an exploit
10:38 <+bridge_> <Assa> >  I don't understand why fix changes physics
10:38 <+bridge_> <Assa> This is because of the fuzzy definition of what is considered physics <.< putting a tee back into existence is probably "changing physics"
10:55 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> Then you can have a stackable tee anywhere which could be useful for something like shotgun bug or others. The server doesn't go with versioning so I don't think it's that urgent
10:56 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> I would consider physics to be different if the same teehistorian record could produce different outcomes
13:34 <+bridge_> <Assa> @chillerdragon is there now anything wrong with <https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11628> or is it in eternal 3 approval limbo
13:51 <+bridge_> <Assa> @l._ouis monthly blinking eye status update question
14:51 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> я ваще нихуще не понял
14:53 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> $english
14:53 <+bridge_> <DDNet> Hi! Most of us communicate in English. If you’re having trouble with English, use <https://www.deepl.com/en/translator> to help you out.
15:22 <+bridge_> <_qey> There a way to render demos to MP4?
15:24 <+bridge_> <had78> Spent the whole morning debugging why looking down was "triggering" the aim
15:24 <+bridge_> <had78> note to self: don't code if eepy
15:24 <+bridge_> <had78> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462814986152841300/image.png?ex=696f901e&is=696e3e9e&hm=ff6fc633bf28d093973900cfb995d57ad7e8bb3a29acb7c88d437c450e58c38c&
15:26 <+bridge_> <teero777> ~~@kebscs https://www.twitch.tv/chillerdragon check stream fix your pr nitpicks~~
15:41 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @teero777: on irc it looks like you edited a message from 1997 is that correct?
15:42 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @essigautomat: the pr in fact only has one review and one approval. That is mine. The other two approvals got invalidated by your force push. I will not be merging this alone without giving other maintainers a day to react.
15:43 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I know the GitHub UI does not make it clear. Idk why it shows 3 approvals by default. If I remember correctly it actually has a setting for the merge queue to invalidate reviews on force push. Which is the only sane option if you ask me.
15:44 <+bridge_> <Assa> that's okay, so the current state it, that I should request review from the others again
15:45 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @heinrich5991: @robyt3 could you maybe activate that setting? To invalidate reviews after force push. They still are shown just greyed out iirc
15:45 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @essigautomat: yes go rerequest I guess I could also have done it
15:45 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> But they got the force push email so they should know
15:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> yeah, but double holdes better 😛
15:47 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Beerlang
15:49 <+bridge_> <Assa> What I found worse, is that when I got maintainer, all my previous gray reviews turned green
15:53 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I don’t think it’s that bad. But yes I agree that reviewing without maintainer could be done less seriously because nobody cares so it might not be transparent on the standard used for the review.
15:58 <+bridge_> <Assa> my github comment fully broke on <https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11641> 🙁
15:58 <+bridge_> <Assa> at first it duplicated, now it is unanswerable
16:04 <+bridge_> <Assa> @chillerdragon do you know widely used mods, which are 0.7 based?
16:05 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> F-DDrace
16:05 <+bridge_> <Assa> does F-DDRace use the 0.7 race support 🤔
16:07 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Yea same way ddnet does
16:08 <+bridge_> <NyrrCly> maybe https://github.com/Teero888/ddnet_demo
16:08 <+bridge_> <Assa> are F-DDRace servers bridged to ddnet, or are they just 0.7?
16:10 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> They support both 0.6 and ddnet extensions
16:10 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Via the sevendown bridge :D
16:11 <+bridge_> <_qey> >DDNet client support was added via a translation layer
16:11 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @_qey: the official client can do it
16:11 <+bridge_> <Assa> Okay I must ping fokko for it
16:11 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> For what
16:11 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I just told you
16:12 <+bridge_> <Assa> <https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/11636>
16:12 <+bridge_> <_qey> I know the client can do it, but I’m asking server-side rendering. If it’s even possible.
16:13 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I guess you can do that. But I would claim fokko isn’t more attached to that than anyone else running a ddnet server
16:13 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Same thing in the end
16:13 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> One person that’s attached is bamcane
16:14 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> The server doesn’t render
16:14 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> You have to do it outside of the server
16:14 <+bridge_> <Assa> "attached", nobody yet gave me a reason not to delete this
16:15 <+bridge_> <Assa> it was hard enough to find any server that may send this, apparently F-DDrace might - but might only send it to 0.7 players
16:15 <+bridge_> <_qey> In doing the most stupid thing one can do. I’m recording demos of players dueling on my servers and uploading it to Telegram.
16:15 <+bridge_> <_qey> But I want full rendering to video.
16:15 <+bridge_> <Assa> I wonder if I can spoof ddnet in a way, that the server thinks it's a 0.7 client
16:17 <+bridge_> <_qey> But I want full video rendering, not just demos.
16:20 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I think my words have given my reason:
16:21 <+bridge_> <remakepower> As we could keep vanilla 0.6 support in the server-side, why can't we keep vanilla 0.7 support in the client-side.
16:22 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> You can @essigautomat
16:22 <+bridge_> <Assa> do you understand, that this issue is not about general 0.7 support?
16:23 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @essigautomat: ddnet servers send it too
16:23 <+bridge_> <Assa> yes but ddnet has 3 other protocols that have higher priority over this 😄
16:23 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> No need to spoof just connect via the 0.7 ip and you get it
16:24 <+bridge_> <Assa> I find F-DDRace servers that only have a 0.7 ip 🤔
16:24 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @essigautomat: priority depends on the client not on the server. The priority isn’t any different in F-DDrace
16:24 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Then the sevendown bridge broke I guess
16:25 <+bridge_> <Assa> yes, but you can remove a protocol, if you 100% of the time use another one with higher priority
16:26 <+bridge_> <Assa> but it looks like I found servers now to test this which use this
16:26 <+bridge_> <Assa> but it looks like I found servers now to test this which use this and only use this
16:27 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Another issue:
16:27 <+bridge_> <remakepower> if you removed that
16:28 <+bridge_> <remakepower> then we need to remove the client part of #10946
16:28 <+bridge_> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/10946
16:28 <+bridge_> <remakepower> then we should to remove the client part of #10946
16:29 <+bridge_> <remakepower> As`100% of the time use another one with higher priority`
16:29 <+bridge_> <Assa> if we don't find a server which makes use of this - then this is dead code anyways.
16:34 <+bridge_> <remakepower> then I neither support nor oppose it.
16:35 <+bridge_> <remakepower> We have to hope that no one will create a pure 0.7 Race mode in the future.
16:40 <+bridge_> <Assa> This is very unlikely, get some stats and check how much 0.7 is used, how many new mods are released at 0.7, and the development of 0.7 basically stopped.
16:41 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I have to say that's not only 0.7's problem
16:43 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Could you tell me a new 0.6 mod that has introduced innovative gameplay? :3
16:44 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I can only say that it's either a combination of Block and other modes, or it's something framework-like.
16:44 <+bridge_> <Assa> "innovative", hard to tell - but at least up to date, the last time unique-race was updated was today, chiller keeps maintaining ddnet-insta, I am working on a "new" mod but I wouldn't call it innovative, just race with extra steps
16:44 <+bridge_> <Assa> I checked and there was actually a mod released on 0.7 i.e. hide and seek xD
16:45 <+bridge_> <Assa> but you are asking the wrong person, anything innovative I do I program into ddnet
16:47 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I think mods and DDNet are two different things.
16:48 <+bridge_> <Assa> I see more differences, there are 0.7 mods, ddnet mods, and ddnet itself is a game which originally was a mod of teeworlds
16:48 <+bridge_> <remakepower> You forget 0.6 mods.
16:48 <+bridge_> <remakepower> not based on ddnet.
16:49 <+bridge_> <Assa> true
16:49 <+bridge_> <Assa> All I want to do is check which of these are still alive and which old dead code can be removed
16:53 <+bridge_> <remakepower> ```
16:53 <+bridge_> <remakepower> 
16:53 <+bridge_> <remakepower>     NetObjectEx("MyOwnObject", "my-own-object@heinrich5991.de", [
16:53 <+bridge_> <remakepower>         NetIntAny("m_Test"),
16:53 <+bridge_> <remakepower>     ]),
16:53 <+bridge_> <remakepower> ```
16:53 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Is this a example, or just a dead test code.
16:53 <+bridge_> <Assa> I assume it's test code and an example and can be removed and is also dead code
16:54 <+bridge_> <Assa> you probably wonder why anyone ever removes code - but it's a burden to maintain lots of code
16:55 <+bridge_> <Assa> The netobject is really simple and doesn't hurt, the Race7 code goes all over ddnet
16:56 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Then I have to share this: #9549
16:56 <+bridge_> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/9549
16:57 <+bridge_> <remakepower> We pile up code everywhere just for compatibility. :3
16:57 <+bridge_> <Assa> I know
16:59 <+bridge_> <remakepower> When could DDNet get a complete refactor of backcompat. xD
17:06 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> f-ddrace is 0.7 based, ddnet/0.6 added later
17:06 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> use `/score time`
17:07 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> chillerdragon: you're such a popular ddnet youtuber that YouTube is recommending me your videos xd
17:07 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462840913905848443/Screenshot_2026-01-19-18-05-36-902_com.google.android.youtube.jpg?ex=696fa844&is=696e56c4&hm=1c33ebe991e9033cfc560b6f96840d2e091de7f0aa461b2e4078ad6dc47c82b7&
17:08 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> aintnoway
17:09 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> poor kais
17:10 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> @essigautomat I didn't see any mods actually implementing the 0.7 race support other than ddnet itself.
17:10 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> And I really didn't care about it on the server side other than making use for the time score
17:16 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @essigautomat: btw the video milkeey posted is about a player called kais he doesn’t use ddnet he plays with F-Client a 0.7 based client oO and he is 900000h pro gamer
17:16 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> confirmed
17:19 <+bridge_> <remakepower> what
17:19 <+bridge_> <remakepower> 900000h?
17:19 <+bridge_> <learath2> Do you still need me to look at this?
17:20 <+bridge_> <remakepower> 100 years?
17:20 <+bridge_> <remakepower> :thonk:
17:21 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> a spec player is never killed, only the character gets removed from the gameworld but is never destroyed
17:23 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> ah team stuff. the speccing player of course also gets killed.
17:24 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> The CPlayer has m_pCharacter and takes care of it. It can call Die() on it even when the character is not currently inserted into the world, he still exists in the cache
17:30 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> chillerdragon: do you road to ddnet maintainer?
17:30 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> like deens position?
17:41 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @fokkonaut: I think I maxed out what I can reach at ddnet. Maybe replace Oy would be a next career step
17:41 <+bridge_> <remakepower> lol
17:42 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Chillerworlds.
17:42 <+bridge_> <remakepower> :nouis:
17:42 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Well no .\_. I would continue the tee spirit ofc
17:43 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @remakepower: when fix bam CI
17:43 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> You have bam in the name
17:43 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> You are the chosen one
17:43 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Actually
17:43 <+bridge_> <remakepower> the bam in my name stands for 'bamboo'
17:43 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Bamcane = Bamboo + Sugarcane
17:44 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I see
17:44 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I choose this name when I played Minecraft.
17:44 <+bridge_> <remakepower> lol
17:44 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Idc still you are the chosen one
17:44 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Bamcane maintainer of bam build system
17:44 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> The error is so frustrating
17:44 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Maybe we can get lerato to look into it
17:44 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> He said he likes debugging
17:45 <+bridge_> <Tezcan> Oy is an alias of matricks, he never left 💡
17:45 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @learath2: fix bam
17:46 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Have you ever seen matricks and Oy in the same room?
17:46 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Me neither
17:46 <+bridge_> <Tezcan> exactly
17:46 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I'm enjoying my rest time now, playing CS2 recently without any git commits. :3
17:46 <+bridge_> <remakepower> lol
17:49 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Also what's needed to fix
17:49 <+bridge_> <remakepower> :thonk:
17:50 <+bridge_> <remakepower> chillerdragon:
17:52 <+bridge_> <remakepower> macos pipeline?
17:57 <+bridge_> <Assa> great for him, but this doesn't mean I can't remove 0.7 race support from the ddnet client
17:59 <+bridge_> <Assa> no I don't think so, I think I'll merge when pioo has done the one change I requested 🙂
18:00 <+bridge_> <Assa> god emperor chillerdragon
18:01 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> ???
18:01 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462854612414365970/2026-01-19_22-00-44.mp4?ex=696fb506&is=696e6386&hm=81132d36df6cb1691aa66b6d662152f5841139a8a857e19aa906750577c4517c&
18:05 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> is this a feature or a bug?
18:06 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @remakepower: yes I think it was macOS only issue
18:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower> didn't I fix it?
18:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower> :thonk:
18:13 <+bridge_> <louis> i probably cant work on it for a bit :/ semester starting and all
18:13 <+bridge_> <louis> and need to finish the photoshoot map ☠️
18:14 <+bridge_> <remakepower> chillerdragom:
18:14 <+bridge_> <remakepower> https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/pull/3283#issuecomment-3341395922
18:14 <+bridge_> <remakepower> chillerdragon:
18:14 <+bridge_> <remakepower> https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/pull/3283#issuecomment-3341395922
18:15 <+bridge_> <remakepower> 26 keys keyboard on mobile belike ^
18:16 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Woah nice I am also on mobile so I dont see the pipelines but if you say it’s fixed that’s cool
18:18 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I don't know the real effect, but the fix that makes the build CI successful was actually completed last September.
18:19 <+bridge_> <remakepower> :frozen:
18:21 <+bridge_> <remakepower> If you means that there's still something wrong with the executable binary, sorry I don't own a device to see the real effect.
18:23 <+bridge_> <remakepower> just like we didn't have a test for big-endian in our codes.
18:38 <+bridge_> <alw5> why is it /eyeemote off instead of /eyeemote 0
18:45 <+bridge_> <remakepower> huh
18:46 <+bridge_> <remakepower> idk either
18:52 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> because it's /eyeemote blink instead of 2
18:52 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> string parameter
18:54 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I somehow always thought the original wallets of bitcoin will never move and the owner are dead, stubborn or forgot their private keys
18:54 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/07-26-2025-galaxy-digital-finalizes-9b-sale-of-80-000-bitcoins-from-early-satoshi-era-investor-27461975990098
18:54 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> 9billlion sold after 14 years
18:54 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Holy cow
18:55 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> :wtf:
18:56 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> How can one wait out the 2017 hype after being there from the start????
19:01 <+bridge_> <Assa> `eyemote`
19:02 <+bridge_> <alw5> its eyeemote
19:21 <+bridge_> <squizyy1987> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462874573081940172/1.jpg?ex=696fc79d&is=696e761d&hm=f67ecae86ea04d9a0e008e8dbe1f68ed6ad28efc528c5246df786d85e496fe6a&
19:21 <+bridge_> <squizyy1987> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462874573509755014/2.jpg?ex=696fc79d&is=696e761d&hm=b3d58269c341038edd3af2d2446b7343f11d9c1a2a65f8d3e1ca1f29683e1704&
19:21 <+bridge_> <squizyy1987> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462874574000492791/3.jpg?ex=696fc79d&is=696e761d&hm=c059956d2473cb10073638e0d10982a93dc67ab37ab4d083e2165ac79728e82d&
19:21 <+bridge_> <squizyy1987> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462874574306934985/4.jpg?ex=696fc79d&is=696e761d&hm=ca7729d80e3e6d04277d62ae773889f3b4f43dc9432eebef4aa8f00b1975a155&
19:24 <+bridge_> <liagush0_81628> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462875373535629312/1.jpg?ex=696fc85b&is=696e76db&hm=4423a06804bf29d8df2f33b99d60733f43dc725da571be2315ef5414edb38146&
19:24 <+bridge_> <liagush0_81628> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462875373980352685/2.jpg?ex=696fc85c&is=696e76dc&hm=4a6e0a805db12bf777e0d3e574d2bea7e06d69f85fbb54d3664104416b79b9c7&
19:24 <+bridge_> <liagush0_81628> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462875374454050846/3.jpg?ex=696fc85c&is=696e76dc&hm=44a7403af2eec600d4874f82858f6f049e457041be19d491198797bad1173f9e&
19:24 <+bridge_> <liagush0_81628> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462875374848311488/4.jpg?ex=696fc85c&is=696e76dc&hm=44efe37c0ebaefc7a90fd897e050dc14099157fb66bc3d6ec12c509246cab0f5&
19:26 <+bridge_> <_qey> My yesterday question stands for those who missed: what can cause a 1-tick lag? 20 ms ping spike for everyone.
19:27 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> which server mod?
19:37 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> Not available in my region whatttt
20:42 <+bridge_> <slimshady_14984> guys can I download assests like new guns and emotes here? I can't find it
20:56 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Check Teeworlds Data and Tee Directory in #welcome
21:25 <+bridge_> <kebscs> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11550#discussion_r2692224321
21:25 <+bridge_> <kebscs> what to do here
21:25 <+bridge_> <kebscs> i know im not ever getting any help from you-know-who
21:26 <+bridge_> <kebscs> and itll be limbo forever
22:31 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> Hello everyone,
22:31 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> 
22:31 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> How can I implement the display of inventory using the server side? I am considering redesigning the client, but it will not be installed. Does anyone have any ideas on how this can be implemented? I need to create an inventory system for storing accessories and similar items.
22:32 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> thats a big feat I dont think youll get alot of help here
22:32 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> The simplest solution I can see is to do it through voting or motd, but that won't be convenient for players.
22:32 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> > voting
22:32 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> mmotee already does this
22:33 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> alot of mods actually right now
22:33 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> when vote menu rework
22:33 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> if you're going to force people to use a custom client to send arbitrary inventory data, you're going to get zero players
22:33 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> so you're going to have to do it the way everyone does it
22:33 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> I don't want to use a paste for my mod, I want to make something unique, but the engine simply doesn't have enough capabilities.
22:34 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> call vote is the best way imo
22:34 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> the only way really
22:34 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> trough chat is even more jank
22:34 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> Maybe you could implement something like this?
22:34 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> https://sampsharp.net/gamemode-textdraws
22:34 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> yepz
22:34 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> we likely arent implementing anything that gives you arbitrary displays xd
22:34 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> what gorp said ^
22:34 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> it would have to have a ddrace basis
22:34 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> in order to be used
22:35 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> but wasnt a type of vote menu rework actually accepted as a feature?
22:35 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> if anyone decides to work on it
22:35 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> it is sorta planned ish i thought
22:35 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> but its a big thing
22:35 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> yies
22:35 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> basically having some form of hypertext markup in call vote would be nice
22:35 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> If I write a textdraw equivalent for ddnet, do I have a chance of adding it to production?
22:35 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> with options for grid/flex layouts like css
22:35 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> For server client side
22:36 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> approximately zero chancce
22:36 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> approximately zero chance
22:36 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> sorry
22:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> asking for alot here
22:36 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> there are also two ways we draw text
22:36 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> one is only used for the debug screen i think
22:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> yes
22:36 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> so yeah, a third way with no ddrace basis is a veto
22:37 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> 100%
22:37 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> you'
22:37 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> you're more than welcome to provide a ddrace basis i guess
22:37 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> I think if the vote menu was able to actually have like pages of some sort which wouldnt close it would already be a massive upgrade
22:37 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> but the only thing i can think of is a generic "actions" page which is already call vote rework imo
22:38 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> ?
22:38 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> he said no
22:38 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i answered your question
22:38 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> or she
22:38 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> idk
22:38 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> lol its fine
22:38 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> she is better
22:38 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> wait english has they i forgor
22:38 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> yeah or they is kinda the ultimat eone
22:38 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> yeah or they is kinda the ultimate one
22:38 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> i wish we had that in german
22:38 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> ya xd
22:39 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> germans are usually confused about they xd when i was more heavy about pronouns in 2021
22:39 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> almost everyone was liek wtf im not saying that
22:39 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> well i dont mind
22:39 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> but i forget
22:40 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i think target tiles and respawn anchors are the most worthwhile features right now aside from bug patches
22:40 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> i think target tiles will be really cool
22:41 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> call vote and actions in scoreboard and both kinda tied at number 2 for me
22:41 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> call vote and actions in scoreboard are both kinda tied at number 2 for me
22:41 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> are target tiles an entity or map tiles?
22:41 <+bridge_> <cartmanbrooffical> Why not? It will give server developers more freedom, won't it?
22:41 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> they're rendered like shields
22:41 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> ah
22:41 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> so i can abuse them in my mod
22:41 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> hell yeah
22:42 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> I agree with you, but unfortunately DDNet is a very DDrace-primary project. things are just not added unless they have some basis for the core mode
22:42 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i just know how things are and im just stating it xd
22:43 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> but yes, it would be nice if things were more focused on something like ddnet-insta where feature acceptance is less tied to modes
22:43 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> agree
22:43 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> Want more cool random stuff
22:43 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> ddnet is already a sort of rich sandbox, where anything is possible
22:43 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> forcing the most popular client/server to be specific and unsandboxy is a disservice to the community
22:43 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> but it does make maintenance way easier
22:44 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> we still have alot of cool mods tho
22:44 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i think louis is probably the strongest admin in favor of sandboxy
22:44 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> which is pretty sick that we have that voice now
22:44 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> agree
22:44 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i probably said this before about previous years but uh, 2026 the ddnet year
22:44 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> No, there's still a lot that could be added
22:45 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i promise this time!
22:45 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> with louis we got this
22:45 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> i mean
22:45 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> yall got this
22:45 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> i do random patches no one asked for
22:45 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> all code is appreciated
22:45 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i wish i could contribute, i guess im closer now that i understand 0.6 protocol?
22:46 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> but still my understand of cpp is limited
22:46 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> but still my understanding of cpp is limited
22:46 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> same yo
22:46 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> I have no clue about anything tbh
22:46 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i prefer instead to focus on external tooling
22:46 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> ive had a shelved project for combining different game assets together in some configurator in python
22:46 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> for years now its been collecting dust
22:47 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> when easier automapper
22:47 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> it may end up on web, i dont want people to have to install python
22:48 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> A big reason for it taking a lot of time is that it has to be mobile-friendly for DDNet android users
22:48 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> oh right
22:48 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> ddnet can be played on mobile
22:48 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> the first time i saw them on my servers i got so confused i banned them
22:48 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> like a year ago
22:48 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> or two at this point
22:48 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> xdd
22:48 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> their movement was s oweird
22:48 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> their movement was so weird
22:50 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> im thinking you get ddnet.png in some grid, and if you tap a tile you get a submenu like (tile, border, glyph) and if you click those you can choose the png and optional recolor for each
22:50 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> uh
22:50 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> im very bad at learning from words
22:51 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> i need visual
22:51 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> like extremely bad
22:51 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> sure i can make something
22:53 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> orange = tile
22:53 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> blue area = optional border
22:53 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> glyph = icon on top
22:53 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462927994401325273/image.png?ex=696ff95d&is=696ea7dd&hm=a733dede2f5ed1a09c3a9f2257bcf1656d404e30ffab2c4e9e58c1b9d19f086c&
22:53 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> drawn in that order
22:53 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> you need recolor for each so that they match
22:54 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> some red/green glyphs used in comfort may be weird to adapt
22:54 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> probably you need to store everything as white with default glyph colors for certain tiles (red/green)
22:54 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> if they want to change those colors they can ofc
22:54 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> heh
22:54 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> I still dont get it
22:54 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> xD
22:54 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> gg
22:54 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> basically draw a tile with 3 layer
22:54 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> for me this looks like a 3d tile with
22:54 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> S turned around
22:55 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> unhook would be grey, border would be the rounded border, glyph could be the curved design in the center or that can be part of the tile layer
22:56 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> its abstract on purpose, it could be any tile there
22:56 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> like those 1x1 tiles?
22:56 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462928782548795392/image.png?ex=696ffa19&is=696ea899&hm=d85a90b36522dd91427256e16d8def3d38ebe7e2fa93c19ea5200f46721ed653&
22:56 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> so wtf is this btw https://www.ddnet.io/
22:56 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> or what
22:56 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> yeah
22:56 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> but for entities
22:56 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> ahhhh
22:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> this could be a glyph or part of the tile
22:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462928899888513246/image.png?ex=696ffa35&is=696ea8b5&hm=1f6f330d0eb20d71551ac3a430da232c93bd42e4460a7a5a3e7b31e36aa58bba&
22:57 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> imagine if we could like have our own map design
22:57 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> automated
22:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i think its more flexible as part of the tile
22:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> then you could put an icon on top
22:57 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> ok i think i get it now
22:57 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> meby
22:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> you can have varying border width/roundedness
22:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> inner/outer border-radius
22:58 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> mhm mhm
22:58 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> should i support gradients :justatest:
22:58 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> uhh
22:58 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> ask chatgpt
22:58 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> it could apply a filter to the whole tile
22:58 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> :3
22:58 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> or excluding the glyph maybe
22:59 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> overengineering a single tile
22:59 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> yep xd
22:59 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> and for all of them!
22:59 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> wait really
22:59 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> i actually get it
22:59 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> yeah you click any tiles you want to customize
22:59 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> then eventually save and export it
23:00 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i think i should also support saving it as a custom format so people can remix your changes :D
23:00 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> and eventually add everyone's (with permission) assets to it
23:00 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> damn
23:00 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> sounds nice
23:00 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> yeah, but its not my priority right now xD
23:00 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> dude i wish we could have automapper and stuff for entities
23:00 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> mhm
23:00 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> every map would look fine
23:01 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> instantly
23:01 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> I mean newer maps are fine
23:01 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> but old ones
23:01 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> god
23:01 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> especially if they have interesting design and then theres places bombarded with switches n tune zones n stuff so you cant see anything
23:01 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> i love it
23:02 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> omg can we like with hooktrough
23:02 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> the old one
23:02 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> like replace it
23:03 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> technically curly has made cmclient so that it renders old hookthrough with less info
23:03 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> if it is hookable from any direction
23:03 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> why isnt this in ddnet
23:04 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> I also dont understand why the old hooktrough is like always completely surrounding a tile
23:04 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> technically there's old hookthrough bug
23:04 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> where u can hook it if it was mapped with hookable
23:04 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> so its not a perfect abtraction
23:04 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> so its not a perfect abstraction
23:04 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> oh is that why they make it like a 3x3
23:04 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> if theres one tile
23:05 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> im not sure if its preventable, maybe it is that way
23:05 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> well its an eyesore every time
23:06 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> man i wish this game was made now
23:12 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> so the kog website is nice
23:12 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462932707834200147/image.png?ex=696ffdc1&is=696eac41&hm=b22bb314e0c609a60289bb73f3a1147f3931adc78db7f988d5247226ff9bce20&
23:12 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> and it loads now, weird