00:55 <+bridge_> <cyberfrighter> its not that deep
02:30 <+bridge_> <teero777> furo: haha there are some nsfw skins on your database xD
02:31 <+bridge_> <teero777> was jumpscared by a dick
02:43 <+bridge_> <alw5> that is CRAZY
02:44 <+bridge_> <alw5> where do they even come from
02:44 <+bridge_> <alw5> which site allows nsfw skins or do the yall[
02:44 <+bridge_> <alw5> which site allows nsfw skins or do they all
02:44 <+bridge_> <teero777> no one cares ig xD
02:45 <+bridge_> <teero777> the skins are funny asf tho,
02:45 <+bridge_> <alw5> yea
02:45 <+bridge_> <alw5> that is CRAZY why would they do that so stupid
04:05 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> just spent a few hours trying to get an afk player flag working and couldn't
04:05 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> fml
06:51 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> where does all the weapon processing happen in .cpp?
06:52 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1461961323310223390/image.png?ex=696c7515&is=696b2395&hm=81961d5f51cbcf588c8479c8c0afba150870938f3ba1e7e4c240c308ef37e468&
08:51 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @bobik8912: character.cpp projectile.cpp and laser.cpp to name a few
08:52 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> If you prompt me more specifically I can give you more detailed help. What is it you want to do exactly?
08:57 <+bridge_> <_qey> Am I a genius or what? I made dynamic tune_zone layers. Players with textures off complain that it’s unplayable inside tune_zone layers.
09:32 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> I'm currently facing a problem where I don't get grenade bullets during "Jetpack"
09:32 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462001505556238346/CodingMap_2026-.mp4?ex=696c9a81&is=696b4901&hm=d381a78c1f76e00638cdc0730e7e0c787000db5208a2821273d6e64d85989371&
09:32 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> And the speed of the Gun is faster than that of a grenade:justatest:
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> ```
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     switch(m_Core.m_ActiveWeapon)
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     {
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     case WEAPON_GUN:
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     {
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>         if(m_Core.m_Jetpack)
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>         {
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>             float Strength = GetTuning(m_TuneZone)->m_JetpackStrength;
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>             TakeDamage(Direction * -1.0f * (Strength / 100.0f / 6.11f), 0, m_pPlayer->GetCid(), m_Core.m_ActiveWeapon);
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>         }
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     }
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     case WEAPON_GRENADE:
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     {
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>         if(m_Core.m_Jetpack)
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>         {
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>             float Strength = GetTuning(m_TuneZone)->m_JetpackStrength;
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>             TakeDamage(Direction * -1.0f * (Strength / 100.0f / 6.11f), 0, m_pPlayer->GetCid(), m_Core.m_ActiveWeapon);
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>         }
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     }
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> ```
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> 
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> ```
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     case WEAPON_GRENADE:
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     {
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>         if(!m_Core.m_Jetpack) {
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>             int Lifetime = (int)(Server()->TickSpeed() * GetTuning(m_TuneZone)->m_GrenadeLifetime);
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> 
09:35 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>             new CProjectile(
09:36 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>                 GameWorld(),
09:36 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>                 WEAPON_GRENADE, //Type
09:36 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>                 m_pPlayer->GetCid(), //Owner
09:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> youre not creating a new projectile when you have jetpack
09:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> ```c++
09:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>     case WEAPON_GRENADE:
09:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>     {
09:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>         int Lifetime = (int)(Server()->TickSpeed() * GetTuning(m_TuneZone)->m_GrenadeLifetime);
09:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> 
09:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>         new CProjectile(
09:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>             GameWorld(),
09:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>             WEAPON_GRENADE, //Type
09:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>             m_pPlayer->GetCid(), //Owner
09:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>             ProjStartPos, //Pos
09:36 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>             Direction, //Dir
09:37 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>             Lifetime, //Span
09:37 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>             false, //Freeze
09:37 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>             true, //Explosive
09:37 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>             -1, //SoundImpact
09:37 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>             MouseTarget // MouseTarget
09:37 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>         );
09:37 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>         GameServer()->CreateSound(m_Pos, SOUND_GRENADE_FIRE, TeamMask())
09:37 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>     }
09:37 <+bridge_> <qxdfox>     break;
09:37 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> ```
10:18 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> How can I change the grenade's firing speed?
10:23 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> ```
10:23 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     case WEAPON_GRENADE:
10:23 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     {
10:23 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>         if(m_Core.m_Jetpack)
10:23 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>         {
10:23 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>             GetTuning(m_TuneZone)->m_GrenadeFireDelay;
10:23 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>             float Strength = GetTuning(m_TuneZone)->m_JetpackStrength;
10:24 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>             TakeDamage(Direction * -1.0f * (Strength / 100.0f / 6.11f), 0, m_pPlayer->GetCid(), m_Core.m_ActiveWeapon);
10:24 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>         }
10:24 <+bridge_> <bobik8912>     }
10:24 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> ```
10:29 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> change the reload speed after using it
10:30 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> search for `m_ReloadTimer =` or sum
10:37 <+ChillerDragon> to change the grenade fire delay you can simply use this rcon command or put it in your config `tune grenade_fire_delay 2`
11:28 <+bridge_> <murpi> speaking of resetonswitch *cough* https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/2053 😄
14:03 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> guys can we add scripting to ddnet so w can do it like this
14:03 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462069901685424342/Screenshot_20260117_123552_Instagram.png?ex=696cda34&is=696b88b4&hm=2621618b13649c3ed124a6bc96d8de29fdaeb800f240542cd006441d2e1312d2&
14:03 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> and add account=yes
14:25 <+bridge_> <art0007i> tas=banned
14:25 <+bridge_> <art0007i> ez game fixed
14:25 <+bridge_> <art0007i> "easy af"
14:28 <+bridge_> <Themix> yo, weird problem, my friend sees game in transparency in entities and without (for example normally you shouldn't see star or gun behind the block) anyone knows how to fix this?
14:28 <+bridge_> <Themix> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1066817711679746199/323580328_705928317852830_7388197211402772974_n.png?ex=696c9aaa&is=696b492a&hm=7f0ac9c9e1d8da4b5573f17b4638e458ba81fdbee53277f808feadf244f57099&
14:28 <+bridge_> <Themix> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1066817711935590441/324823961_3001741563454774_4464199268408184791_n.png?ex=696c9aab&is=696b492b&hm=af5a189c4f112c01348e96b7403026f3520e09c01e57683483305558749cfafd&
14:33 <+bridge_> <louis> Is there a way to build ddnet easily offline? rust automatically tries to sync channel, which was annoying since i was trying to code on a plane
14:56 <+bridge_> <melon> i assume you use rustup
14:56 <+bridge_> <melon> for offline development you usually want to use rustc and cargo from your package manager
14:56 <+bridge_> <melon> 
14:56 <+bridge_> <melon> > Offline installation. rustup downloads components from the internet on demand. If you need to install Rust without access to the internet, rustup is not suitable.
14:56 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> with `CC=clang CXX=clang++ CFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined -fsanitize-recover=all -fno-omit-frame-pointer" CXXFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined -fsanitize-recover=all -fno-omit-frame-pointer" LDFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined"`
14:56 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> clang complains about lack of constructor for emplace_back, is this something i should fix upstream or is it my fault?
14:57 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> https://github.com/TaterClient/TClient/actions/runs/21095269446/job/60671879571
14:59 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> with `CC=clang CXX=clang++ CFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined -fsanitize-recover=all -fno-omit-frame-pointer" CXXFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined -fsanitize-recover=all -fno-omit-frame-pointer" LDFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined"` (only difference between failing action and fast build which doesnt fail)
14:59 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> clang complains about lack of constructor for emplace_back, is this something i should fix upstream or is it my fault?
15:03 <+bridge_> <robyt3> It works in DDNet, so you must be doing something differently than in DDNet's ASAN workflow
15:03 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> ddnet has an asan workflow?!
15:03 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> yeah of course it does
15:03 <+bridge_> <robyt3> We don't try to run on macOS and Windows with ASAN though
15:03 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> im a bit silly
15:03 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> ah
15:03 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> well i mean that 1/3 of oses
15:03 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> i specifically want windows
15:04 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> windows is failing for a different reason though..
15:04 <+bridge_> <robyt3> The build failure you linked is from ubuntu, windows fails differently
15:04 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> yis, but i have never seen the ubuntu error
15:04 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> wheras i have never used windows so makes little difference
15:04 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> wheras i have never used windows
15:05 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> so im not confused by it erroring
15:05 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Try to use the latest `clang-sanitizer.yml` from ddnet first
15:05 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Looks like it runs on ubuntu-latest
15:06 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Whereas you use ubuntu-22
15:24 <+bridge_> <louis> i prefer keeping rustup and no rustc though
15:25 <+bridge_> <louis> also i tried implementing switchable solid tiles and i can say it probably requires refactor of half the core code first
15:40 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> what is GetVictim()?;
15:51 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> if you use the argument v[..] it gets the victim from it
15:51 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> you can also do "me" or "all" to do, well, you or everyone
15:51 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> so "me", "all" or normal id
15:59 <+bridge_> <learath2> This is a tough one. The code is most definitely not set up for this
16:00 <+bridge_> <learath2> Lots of assumptions all around that the game layer is static
16:32 <+bridge_> <louis> yes, also its tricky to give collision switcher information in a clean way
16:32 <+bridge_> <louis> relegated to ddnet 2!
16:47 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> Where is the tile logic located in the file?
16:48 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> hookable \ unhookable
16:49 <+bridge_> <louis> Theres a lot of files that refer to 'tile logic', u need to be more specific
16:49 <+bridge_> <louis> placing the tile in editor? collision in-game? etc.
16:49 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> collision in the game
16:51 <+bridge_> <louis> collision.cpp
16:51 <+bridge_> <louis> tee collision is checked in MoveBox() function, just trace the references/helpers it uses
16:51 <+bridge_> <louis> tee collision against solids is checked in MoveBox() function, just trace the references/helpers it uses
16:56 <+bridge_> <louis> trying to add cheats to ddnet again 😃
17:00 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> is there also a check in the MoveBox() function?
17:00 <+bridge_> <bobik8912> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1462114268777287794/image.png?ex=696d0386&is=696bb206&hm=e0af7ef25f214686cbc3b8f3f793998c3038fa03b92889f0a86336dd6fa08660&
17:01 <+bridge_> <louis> the best way to see where logic for these is to just look at the original PR
17:02 <+bridge_> <louis> e.g. live freeze -> search github prs for 'live freeze' -> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/4573 -> files changed
17:03 <+bridge_> <manikoo> please no
17:03 <+bridge_> <manikoo> delete cheats
17:29 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> I could try to come up with something if this is _really_ wanted
17:32 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> I could try to come up with something if this is _really_ wanted. Would it require snap for perfect prediction?
17:53 <+bridge_> <learath2> I think so, I don't really see any other method of keeping that in sync
17:54 <+bridge_> <louis> i tried making collision aware of switcher state but it got rly messy. I think dynamic game layer would be easier ^^ and also live tiles would be very nice for other features (like ingame mapping)
19:14 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> hi guys
19:14 <+bridge_> <DDNet> Hellou :3
19:21 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> how can I use void ```CGameContext::Teleport``` with game tiles
19:23 <+bridge_> <learath2> What do you mean? Like you touch a gametile and it teleports someone?
19:24 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> For example, I have a game tile with ID 189, and I want to teleport the player there
19:26 <+bridge_> <learath2> You first need to pre-parse the map to get the locations of all tile 189s. You can look at how we gather teleouts for teleport tiles
19:40 <+bridge_> <louis> @sollybunny hows ur modded client solve low mouse max distance issue?
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> ```cpp
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> // set the target anyway though so that we can keep seeing our surroundings,
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)>         // even if chat or menu are activated
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)>         vec2 Pos = GameClient()->m_Controls.m_aMousePos[g_Config.m_ClDummy];
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)>         if(g_Config.m_TcScaleMouseDistance && !GameClient()->m_Snap.m_SpecInfo.m_Active)
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)>         {
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)>             const int MaxDistance = g_Config.m_ClDyncam ? g_Config.m_ClDyncamMaxDistance : g_Config.m_ClMouseMaxDistance;
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)>             if(MaxDistance > 5 && MaxDistance < 1000) // Don't scale if angle bind or reduces precision
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)>                 Pos *= 1000.0f / (float)MaxDistance;
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)>         }
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)>         m_aInputData[g_Config.m_ClDummy].m_TargetX = (int)Pos.x;
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)>         m_aInputData[g_Config.m_ClDummy].m_TargetY = (int)Pos.y;
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> ```
19:41 <+bridge_> <louis> i dont think we can fake the cursor position, its used by mods etcetc. maybe some secondary angle input that is used if its more precise?
19:41 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> only applying it to low mouse distances would not break mods which use the position
19:42 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> since in tclient its an option it doesnt matter
19:42 <+bridge_> <louis> oh ok ur code just scales im guessing (if im reading on phone correctly)
19:42 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> yes
19:42 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> i play at 30 max mouse distance
19:42 <+bridge_> <louis> Yeah its probably easiest idk if we could sneak that by maintainers tho XD
19:42 <+bridge_> <louis> 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀
19:42 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> i already tried an option but it got rejected
19:42 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> its the 2nd thing i added to tclient
19:43 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> now that the code for mouse stuff is cleaner (due to me being annoyed at conflicts so fixing it) the diff and code is much nicer
19:43 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> so i could try again
19:43 <+bridge_> <louis> surely we can calculate a float angle with sub pixel calculations and just send that along the actual mouse pos. then ddnet server can use that instead or smth
19:43 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> but there are few people who play on such low mouse distance
19:43 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> and it is modifying input
19:44 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> that requires the server cooportaing which for old servers or 0.6/7 is not an option
19:44 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> and alot of servers are old
19:44 <+bridge_> <louis> hmm true
19:44 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> when will ddnet-insta tkae over the world ):
19:44 <+bridge_> <louis> well idk what servers does that much hook accuracy matter if not ddnet/kog
19:44 <+bridge_> <louis> aint nobody play other modes
19:44 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> i used to play vanilla with it, i only saught to fix it when i started playing ddrace
19:45 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> i used to play vanilla with it, i only saught to fix it only when i started playing ddrace
19:45 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> but now its not unplayable, but its cerntainly not nice in any gamemode
19:45 <+bridge_> <louis> Oh but also i know ppl are gonna cry if it gets fixed
19:45 <+bridge_> <louis> u can use angle setups with low distance on maps like for the caverun triple part
19:45 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> yah..
19:46 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> which is why its must be an option
19:46 <+bridge_> <louis> 😭
19:46 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> which is anti hein
19:46 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> and its pretty jank
19:46 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> whcih is anti roby
19:46 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> so my comment on the pr was a wish rather than a serious request
19:46 <+bridge_> <louis> yeah
19:46 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> its kinda annoying not being able to play properly on default client
19:46 <+bridge_> <louis> well maybe we can just force it and if ppl want the qol they upgrade, if they want to cheat 5 niche parts they can load older client
19:47 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> i kinda dislike that jank
19:47 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> but i also want all other physics bugs to be fixed
19:47 <+bridge_> <louis> jap
19:47 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> and i know that isnt a universal opinion
19:47 <+bridge_> <louis> i think fixing stuck in block and phony edge is good idea
19:48 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> fix going through blocks
19:48 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> strong hook/eevrything else
19:48 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> (hook is the only one i care about)
19:48 <+bridge_> <louis> its impossible
19:48 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> is there not an option in ddnet server right now
19:49 <+bridge_> <louis> it messes up the bounce physics
19:49 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> as in makes them different?
19:49 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> or makes the game unplayable
19:49 <+bridge_> <koneko140505> hey guys, are you interested to play on the xPanic Server? ^^
19:49 <+bridge_> <DDNet> Hellou :3
19:50 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> i didnt know that the fix applies to anything but the hook
19:50 <+bridge_> <louis> there's weak bounce and strong bounce
19:50 <+bridge_> <louis> u can't really tell if u main gores cuz if u bounce on someone you usually die
19:51 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> i dont *main* kog
19:51 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> its just im frustrated with t0 so i dont play ddrace
19:51 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> its just im frustrated with t0 so i dont play ddrace that often
19:51 <+bridge_> <louis> ye same thats why i just sulk on lan 😹
19:51 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> is it really that different?
19:52 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> i cant find the setting in src i may be hallucinating
19:52 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> $wiki strong
19:52 <+bridge_> <louis> iirc it messes up a lot of moves
19:52 <+bridge_> <louis> but it's been a while since i tested it
19:53 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Hook/en
19:53 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> the bit about where its fixed has disaperead
19:58 <+bridge_> <louis> if u search "strong bounce" here and read juppstar (r.i.p.) and fokko msg, it shows a bit of the bugs
20:01 <+bridge_> <kebscs> ddos rus 1 :(
20:17 <+ChillerDragon> rip jupsi
20:24 <+bridge_> <learath2> What is the problem with low max distance?
20:54 <+bridge_> <louis> it loses precision because there are less coordinates your cursor can exist at
21:05 <+bridge_> <learath2> Ah, hm, I guess not many easy ways to fix that
21:07 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Does this work with touch controls? If we replace the old janky way to do 45° angles it needs to support touch controls like it currently does.
21:38 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> How do I run DDNet client using a debugger from vscode?
21:41 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> Ah, works suddenly
21:44 <+bridge_> <robyt3> You need the correct working directory that contains the DLLs
22:15 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> My game is freezing but won't crash, I can't seem to find a pause button to see what's happening
22:26 <+bridge_> <louis> I cant really test this, so someone else needs to. I don't see why it wouldn't though
22:31 <+bridge_> <learath2> Mhhh, in gdb I would just Ctrl-C to interrupt
22:31 <+bridge_> <learath2> There is definitely a pause button in VS too, but idk about VSCode
22:34 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> `gdb -ex=r --args DDNet`?
22:36 <+bridge_> <learath2> Usually just `gdb ./DDNet` wait until I get into the "frozen" part. Then Ctrl-C. Might need to do it a couple times to land in a significant place if it's an infinite loop with a large span
22:36 <+bridge_> <learath2> But usually you'll just find that it's stuck waiting on something which should be obvious on the backtrace
22:36 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> `gdb ./DDNet` opens gdb and `reading symbols from ./DDNet...`
22:37 <+bridge_> <learath2> Then you do `run` to start the process
22:37 <+bridge_> <learath2> After you do a Ctrl-C you can do `bt` to get a backtrace
22:37 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> Ah, it requires this other debuginfod
22:38 <+bridge_> <learath2> Not all that important to start with tbh
22:39 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> Nice, the crash doesn't happen
22:39 <+bridge_> <learath2> Debuginfod only lets you get symbols for other libraries. You'll almost always have a call from ddnet source
22:39 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> I see, just doesn't work either way
22:39 <+bridge_> <learath2> Smells of a thread synchronization issue
22:40 <+bridge_> <learath2> Gdb intercepts every single fork, even if minimal it does incur some overhead
22:40 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> I did not change too much code, but client froze like 2-3 sec after joining a server
22:40 <+bridge_> <learath2> Assuming you are on linux. On windows I am not so familiar with internals of the debugging infra
22:40 <+bridge_> <learath2> And it does not happen running under gdb?
22:41 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> Right now, yes
22:41 <+bridge_> <learath2> If so a sampling profiler like perf can help
22:42 <+bridge_> <learath2> But I have had far too much Kölsch to provide `perf` instructions. So you'll have to rely on google for that 😛
22:42 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> Kölsch tastes like piss
22:42 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> Enjoy it tho!
22:43 <+bridge_> <learath2> Are you mayhaps from Düsseldorf? 😄
22:43 <+bridge_> <gorp> if we're not overhauling map format I really prefer that anything in Game/Front can never change mid map
22:44 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> Nope xd
22:44 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> I made switch toggle tiles for hook/unhook
22:44 <+bridge_> <learath2> FWIW I do like altbier more
22:44 <+bridge_> <gorp> live tiles should be a pseudo-layer that gets written to next map save or reload (probably options to auto-commit live tiles to file by a host)
22:44 <+bridge_> <learath2> NOO, that sounds criminal
22:45 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> I just attached them to switch handling, though they need some prediction on the clientside
22:45 <+bridge_> <gorp> It's not part of the map yet, we should not be patching binary over the wire and telling clients to "maybe forget about it" if they don't like the changes
22:45 <+bridge_> <learath2> I think this is about what louis was going for, but it is a bit of nasty code tying collision into switch state
22:46 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> it's fine, more of an issue with the teams state
22:46 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> But i used a workaround
22:46 <+bridge_> <learath2> Snaps are not optional, your snapstate has to be perfectly accurate to what the server dictates, otherwise we are doing something very wrong
22:46 <+bridge_> <gorp> I think maps should stay monolithic more or less, like unless a server tells you otherwise to replace the entire map file you shouldn't touch it
22:47 <+bridge_> <learath2> Think of it like patching a layer over the wire
22:48 <+bridge_> <gorp> then yes? i meant pseudo because it should not overwrite the file if the host does not want to
22:48 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> Biggest issue will be to show it correctly. Maybe the mapper has to create some envelope or it's all clientside. Either way no backwards compat
22:48 <+bridge_> <gorp> also when you consider you may want rcon roles for live tiles and it becomes more complex
22:48 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> Are we talking about togglable blocks or placable blocks like chiller created?
22:49 <+bridge_> <gorp> placeable
22:50 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> @learath2 tbh for placable blocks I'd just use netmessages to update the block on the clientside.
22:50 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> When the player leaves/server shuts down, the file gets rewritten with the latest changes. That way the amount of new files is also decreased
22:51 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> but i dont see placable blocks as a good feature
22:51 <+bridge_> <louis> fokko u got it to work for projectiles and all too?
22:51 <+bridge_> <gorp> ultimately there is one server, and hopefully one person approving what is written to the server (ofc anyone can change this behavior with scripts/discord bots), and it may be awkward to think about situations where someone fucks with your map and you lose some parts. if they are exclusive, you could make only part of a map "live tiled" and commit the layer later when it's finished, but this also seems too complicated
22:52 <+bridge_> <louis> getting team state for projectiles is unnecessarily difficult
22:52 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> yes
22:53 <+bridge_> <gorp> Needs to be fixed, this is a bug in the game and saying that we should avoid things because Switch or Tune makes me sad
22:53 <+bridge_> <gorp> we just disable antiping if there's certain tune, so this is already acceptable in the client xd
22:54 <+bridge_> <louis> its great for mapping in real time
22:56 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> maybe we should just respect the user and assume anyone allowing live tile access to others has already made a backup of their precious map
22:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> or possibly have an option to quickly do this
22:58 <+bridge_> <louis> my client only saves locally if u load current in editor
22:58 <+bridge_> <louis> its strictly architectural
22:58 <+bridge_> <louis> "Fixing" it is changing a lot of core code
22:58 <+bridge_> <louis> more like rewrite
22:59 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> but if logically, the home for switchable tiles IS the Switch layer, is it so much work that we would avoid this at all costs and get an extras.png ahh layer
22:59 <+bridge_> <louis> u can easily hack it in by editing the game layer though, which is probably what should happen (so live tiles basically)
22:59 <+bridge_> <louis> then it just automatically works for everything
23:00 <+bridge_> <louis> unless i missed smth
23:01 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> we already dupe things to other layers to make them work in new contexts, this just feels wrong to me and you pack int 0 for every single solid that is unswitched now xd
23:01 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> if it gets a new tile index in game layer that's even harder trolling
23:02 <+bridge_> <louis> idk ask floppo what he did
23:02 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i feel very alone in what feels sane and normal for this game
23:02 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> @heinrich5991 help!
23:02 <+bridge_> <louis> We shouldnt even have layers
23:02 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> yea i mean i agree w that
23:02 <+bridge_> <louis> each tile should just have a unique incrementing id
23:03 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> it should be kinda like how u can register a uuid for netmsg
23:03 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> there should be a way to register modded tiles
23:03 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> minecraft switched to this system
23:03 <+bridge_> <louis> ye thats what im doing in my hobby game
23:17 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> @pioooooo 
23:17 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> Why is servers not having updated a reason for not bumping? Version bumps aren't a limited resource.
23:17 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> (fyi I don't care)
23:17 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> @pioooooo 
23:18 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> Why is servers not having updated a reason for not bumping? Version bumps aren't a limited resource.
23:18 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> (fyi I don't care whether a bump is done or not)
23:22 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> so 2 physics changes=1 and only need 1 bump
23:22 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> idk
23:22 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> well if you were to goto a commit imbetween, the teehistorian version would be wrong?
23:22 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> well if you were to goto a commit imbetween, the teehistorian version would be wrong
23:22 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> well if you were to goto a commit imbetween, the teehistorian version would be misleading
23:23 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> (as much as a minor phsyics changes destroys all nonexisting workflows we have including teehistorian files)
23:23 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> then just don't;;
23:23 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> well you do bump for minor physics changes which wouldnt really effect anything
23:24 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> but they do effect a really small thing
23:24 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> servers not updated means we won't goto a commit inbetween so..
23:24 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> someone may of walked through the commits and generated a teehistorian just existing
23:25 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> (i actually probably have one lmao)
23:25 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> i'm not doing dev for that someone...
23:25 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> b-b-but i play the game
23:26 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> ┭┮﹏┭┮
23:26 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> but fine really i uhmm
23:26 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> yeah, just checking
23:26 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> i have no reason to care
23:26 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> i just died from 3h insane drag map and ppl keep flaming me all the way and i'm sad rn
23:26 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> aw
23:26 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> youre cool pioo
23:26 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> does that help
23:27 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> it's not perfect time to talk to me
23:28 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/252358080522747904/1348432282993692843/78E60D5BC51CF2A2B4B4EF6B6AD17277.gif
23:30 <+bridge_> <Assa> okay who needs a ban, do you have IPs for me?
23:30 <+bridge_> <fokkonaut> @l._ouis core functionality exists now
23:38 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> 127.0.0.1
23:38 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> my range is 0.0.0.0-255.255.255.255
23:38 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> please range ban
23:39 <+bridge_> <Assa> if nobody can join, then nobody can cheat 🧠
23:39 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> o you know what would solve ban evasion
23:39 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> we shoot them in the face
23:39 <+bridge_> <Assa> that solution is a bit too american for me
23:39 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> with pg13 comically violent rocket launcher
23:40 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> which only leaves mental harm in the form of ptsd and pengents to either never hack again or to take down ddnet once and for all
23:40 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> actually i shoulda thought this through first