00:25 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
00:25 <+bridge_> <Assa> build] CUSTOMBUILD : error : "C:\\Users\\USER\\.rustup\\toolchains\\nightly-x86_64-pc-windows-msvc\\lib\\rustlib\\src\\rust\\library\\Cargo.lock" does not exist, unable to build with the standard library, try: [C:\Users\USER\Desktop\workspace\ddnet\build\rust_engine_shared_target.vcxproj]
00:25 <+bridge_> <Assa> [build]           rustup component add rust-src --toolchain nightly-x86_64-pc-windows-msvc
00:25 <+bridge_> <Assa> [build] C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\2022\Community\MSBuild\Microsoft\VC\v170\Microsoft.CppCommon.targets(254,5): error MSB8066: Der benutzerdefinierte Build f├╝r "C:\Users\USER\Desktop\workspace\ddnet\build\CMakeFiles\f98cc926f948fb243cbc1db1b4e21904\e2185d3fb4c36a25.rule;C:\Users\USER\Desktop\workspace\ddnet\build\CMakeFiles\f98cc926f948fb243cbc1db1b4e21904\rust_engine_shared_target.rule" wurde mit dem Code 101 beendet. 
00:25 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
00:25 <+bridge_> <Assa> 
00:25 <+bridge_> <Assa> Hmm can't build the client anymore
00:26 <+bridge_> <Assa> looks like my rust broke
00:26 <+bridge_> <teero777> it's okay you don't have to <3
00:29 <+bridge_> <Assa> hmm build chooses nightly over stable
00:31 <+bridge_> <Assa> yeah switching to stable fixes it, so ddnet doesn't compile with rust nightly
02:16 <+bridge_> <teero777> yo chillerdragon when are we getting ddnet unikernel version.
02:34 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> ddnet on bare metal?
10:22 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Hm... I always wonder why DDNet supports Vulkan . :3
10:22 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Could anyone tell me why?
10:32 <+bridge_> <melon> because jupstar decided we want speed :WICKED:
11:14 <+bridge_> <ryozuki> :nouis:
12:14 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> Modern and fast, I don't see why not
12:14 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Where's the fast?
12:14 <+bridge_> <remakepower> :thonk:
12:16 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I agree it's modern but where's the fast.
12:16 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> Potentially at least
12:17 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Hm..
12:17 <+bridge_> <remakepower> But Vulkan doesn't really offer much improvement for 2D games.
12:18 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> Vulkan should give you finer control of the processing. That's what in my mind
12:19 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Ah, I agree.
12:21 <+bridge_> <remakepower> There are over 7660 lines in the backend_vulkan.cpp
12:21 <+bridge_> <remakepower> :frozen:
12:23 <+bridge_> <learath2> The VK backend (at least iirc) does have more FPS and is technically the source of a lot of the performance improvements in the gl33 backend. The gl33 backend more closely follows the VK one and benefitted from the same optimizations
12:25 <+bridge_> <manikoo> ask juppey and he will read you lecture about vulcan benefits
12:25 <+bridge_> <manikoo> but as he comes back from rest
12:51 <+bridge_> <peter0x44> I get more fps with it
12:51 <+bridge_> <peter0x44> Also it's just cool why not
13:04 <+bridge_> <Assa> The current vulkan backend of ddnet is the most performant one, by a factor of 1.5, if you can do it better, please send a patch.
13:17 <+bridge_> <manikoo> why cool
13:24 <+bridge_> <manikoo> anonymous :ninja:
13:29 <+bridge_> <aegisub> In open source we don't say "fuck off", we say "patches welcome", and I think that's beautiful.
13:30 <+bridge_> <manikoo> hahahaha
13:33 <+bridge_> <remakepower> What I meant was not only FPS.
13:34 <+bridge_> <peter0x44> Then what did you mean?
13:34 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I would say that Vulkan has better performance than OpenGL. But just like what I have said.
13:34 <+bridge_> <remakepower> ^
13:35 <+bridge_> <peter0x44> And?
13:35 <+bridge_> <peter0x44> Loc == bad?
13:35 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I mean it's complicated, at least compared to OpenGL.
13:36 <+bridge_> <peter0x44> The pain is mostly one time
13:36 <+bridge_> <melon> aww why did he close it - if the behaviour differs it should be addressed
13:36 <+bridge_> <remakepower> But it has to be said that it's precisely because of this complexity that Vulkan is better.
13:37 <+bridge_> <peter0x44> The memes are exaggerated
13:38 <+bridge_> <remakepower> We still keep the OpenGL 1.0 in DDNet codes and I don't know what it's used for now.
13:38 <+bridge_> <peter0x44> Old hardware
13:38 <+bridge_> <remakepower> That's too old:
13:39 <+bridge_> <peter0x44> Also would help console homebrew ports
13:39 <+bridge_> <peter0x44> Says who?
13:39 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Oh
13:39 <+bridge_> <remakepower> What we kept is OpenGL 1.4
13:40 <+bridge_> <manikoo> but there are many players who still use it
13:40 <+bridge_> <remakepower> What?
13:40 <+bridge_> <remakepower> :thonk:
13:40 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Ah
13:40 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Yeah you're right
13:41 <+bridge_> <remakepower> We didn't support OpenGL 2.0 so that they need to work on OpenGL 1.4
13:41 <+bridge_> <manikoo> even 1.0 or 1.1 
13:41 <+bridge_> <manikoo>  i don't remember which one we have
13:45 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I wanted to find a screenshot of my old hardware, but I didn't find it :3
13:45 <+bridge_> <remakepower> It didn't support Vulkan.
13:46 <+bridge_> <peter0x44> Vulkan minimum is ~2012
13:47 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Yeah, it was produced before 2011.
13:47 <+bridge_> <manikoo> my old hardware didn't support vulcan too. and even gl3.3 was crushing sometimes
13:47 <+bridge_> <manikoo> hopefully i chill on vulcan nowdays
13:47 <+bridge_> <manikoo> :greenthing:
13:54 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Vulkan was not really cross-platform, because Apple refused to use Vulkan. What they are using is Metal. :frozen:
13:55 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Native implementation of WebGPU is a good idea but it's too heavy.
13:56 <+bridge_> <remakepower> (at least for simple 2D games.)
14:02 <+bridge_> <learath2> Technically Apple made Metal before VK was standardized at all. But still a shame that they never migrated
14:03 <+bridge_> <learath2> Though Metal has a similar level of flexibility so MoltenVK works quite well
14:05 <+bridge_> <remakepower> But it's still a compatibility layer
14:17 <+bridge_> <aegisub> I don't know much about graphics programming so I've always wondered
14:17 <+bridge_> <aegisub> how much work is it to maintain multiple backends for vulkan / opengl / different opengl versions
14:17 <+bridge_> <aegisub> naively it sounds like you'd have to duplicate a lot of logic
14:18 <+bridge_> <aegisub> or are they still similar enough that you can make sensible abstractions?
14:21 <+bridge_> <inv41idu53rn4m3> You can make sensible abstractions
14:21 <+bridge_> <inv41idu53rn4m3> DDNet mostly just draws textured quads and writing that for multiple backends isn't so bad
14:40 <+bridge_> <Assa> ddnet abstracted all backends nicely with an interface, it really depends how easy it is to add a new one
14:42 <+bridge_> <Assa> Most of these abstractions are game related, like DrawQuads or DrawTiles
15:11 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I moved our fork of Teeworlds from OpenGL 1 to OpenGL 3.3 with OpenGL ES 3.2
15:11 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Actually, OpenGL ES 3.2 is really similar to 3.3:
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower> You can just do a `if else` like: 
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower> ```
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower>     if(pCommand->m_Flags & CCommandBuffer::TEXFLAG_COMPRESSED)
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower>     {
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower>         if(m_IsOpenGLES)
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower>         {
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower>             switch(StoreOglformat)
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower>             {
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower>                 case GL_RGB: StoreOglformat = GL_COMPRESSED_RGB8_ETC2; break;
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower>                 case GL_RED: StoreOglformat = GL_COMPRESSED_R11_EAC; break;
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower>                 case GL_RGBA: StoreOglformat = GL_COMPRESSED_RGBA8_ETC2_EAC; break;
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower>                 default: StoreOglformat = GL_COMPRESSED_RGBA8_ETC2_EAC;
15:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower>             }
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower>         }
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower>         else
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower>         {
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower>             switch(StoreOglformat)
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower>             {
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower>                 case GL_RGB: StoreOglformat = GL_COMPRESSED_RGB; break;
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower>                 case GL_RED: StoreOglformat = GL_COMPRESSED_RED; break;
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower>                 case GL_RGBA: StoreOglformat = GL_COMPRESSED_RGBA; break;
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower>                 default: StoreOglformat = GL_COMPRESSED_RGBA;
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower>             }
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower>         }
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower>     }
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower> ```
15:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower> ddnet has removed TEXFLAG_COMPRESSED. 😄
17:58 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> Guys, are the servers working in Iran?
17:58 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> DDNet servers
17:59 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> Ohh
17:59 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> No
18:00 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> Due to mass protests from people, the Iranian authorities are shutting down the internet in the country.
19:21 <+bridge_> <01000111g> yeah, it is unfortunate. I hope they listen to the demonstrants finally
23:49 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> Hey guys, why hasn't the rather famous shotgun bug been fixed?
23:49 <+bridge_> <DDNet> Hellou :3
23:50 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> Is it used on some maps or something?