00:52 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @brokecdx: this channel is one of the best ways. And also just say what you need directly otherwise it takes long .\_.
01:14 <+bridge_> <gorp> @swarfey do you know how well two Clients work in the same process? they seem to fight over the event queue or something because stuff just breaks on all but one client at a time
01:14 <+bridge_> <gorp> might have to check the async stuff later
01:14 <+bridge_> <gorp> it could also be my code that's blocking too much but im not sure
01:15 <+bridge_> <swarfey> two clients should work pretty fine
01:16 <+bridge_> <swarfey> i only started noticing problems with >10 tees. for my discord bridge i have a process for every single server to avoid lags like that
01:27 <+bridge_> <gorp> ah shiet
01:27 <+bridge_> <gorp> okay, might be the same thing then
06:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> no apparently
09:16 <+bridge_> <triki> i really wating this one https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/10969
09:16 <+bridge_> <triki> can someone say what happens with that?
09:51 <+ChillerDragon> i really waiting this one
09:51 <+ChillerDragon> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/10399
09:51 <+ChillerDragon> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/10964
10:35 <+ChillerDragon> so what is it now? @brokecdx
10:35 <+ChillerDragon> dont edge me like that
11:32 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> Is this rendering bug? It's supposed to be lowercase `l` but it has a horizontal bar above it
11:32 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1456958417800269897/image.png?ex=695a41c3&is=6958f043&hm=303d9cf90500df400c41a1c09c421e41fcb7c096df784ab5e1eb6d98b685584d&
11:53 <+bridge_> <louis> mapname has underscore
11:53 <+bridge_> <louis> the line spacing does seem a bit crammed though
11:53 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> oooh xd
11:54 <+bridge_> <louis> it'd be nice if ddnet servers sent info in a more structured way than ascii art motd though
11:54 <+bridge_> <robyt3> With more line spacing the border on the left side wouldn't align anymore though
11:54 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Yeah, we shouldn't have to use ASCII art for this
11:54 <+bridge_> <louis> yeah :twintri:
11:55 <+bridge_> <robyt3> #2875
11:55 <+bridge_> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/2875
12:11 <+bridge_> <smetanolub> how do i know which cl_prediction_margin i should use? where can i see info on my lagspikes?
12:29 <+bridge_> <Brokecdx-> cant you just login into your dsicord account for a quick chat :gTastyPepeCry:
12:50 <+bridge_> <triki> its possible to skip this main menu? i always press "play" never use this menu. back my old days.
12:50 <+bridge_> <triki> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1456977957636804632/image.png?ex=695a53f6&is=69590276&hm=24f198f7cf205f62aebe46ebc3d992e6e6b01f1d0c1766b2343a3db4b063648e&
12:50 <+bridge_> <triki> its possible to skip this main menu? i always press "play" never use this menu. plz back my old days.
12:50 <+bridge_> <triki> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1456977957636804632/image.png?ex=695a53f6&is=69590276&hm=24f198f7cf205f62aebe46ebc3d992e6e6b01f1d0c1766b2343a3db4b063648e&
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> @triki -,-
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> f1
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> "menu"
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> tab
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> `cl_skip_start_menu`
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> some configs are not named in the most obvious way but i still feel often ppl did not even look for 1 second :D 
12:53 <+ChillerDragon> @Brokecdx- no chance
12:53 <+ChillerDragon> u want private chat or what?
12:53 <+ChillerDragon> i can offer you plenty private chat rooms but why dont you quickly say what you need right here?
12:56 <+bridge_> <triki> i just didnt know it can be exist.
12:57 <+ChillerDragon> wire: @zillyhuhn, matrix: @chillerdragon:matrix.org, email: chillerdragon@gmail.com, irc: https://webchat.quakenet.org/ #ddnet, xmpp: chillerdragon@yax.im
12:57 <+ChillerDragon> @Brokecdx-
12:57 <+ChillerDragon> or sign up https://chat.zillyhuhn.com/ with code nimrocks
12:58 <+ChillerDragon> or best option: just say it here xd
12:58 <+ChillerDragon> can also whisper me up in game i am planning to farm kog points for at least 10 hours today
13:09 <+bridge_> <melon> gg
13:10 <+bridge_> <melon> FCK i alt +f4'd the wrong client
13:11 <+bridge_> <smetanolub> why gmail? isnt proton better
13:19 <+ChillerDragon> proton banned all my accounts
13:20 <+ChillerDragon> without a way to restore them or recover the accounts that i signed up with third parties using my proton mails
13:21 <+ChillerDragon> no sure what would make proton better
13:38 <+bridge_> <01000111g> why is that
14:28 <+bridge_> <Assa> Thanks 🙂
15:36 <+bridge_> <cellegenrih> We do have controller support now right?
15:36 <+bridge_> <cellegenrih> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1457019727263301805/image.png?ex=695a7add&is=6959295d&hm=211b0dca6298a64f75bfb730fd532f1a99082dfd0284a0e0b16b370fc7ee715b&
15:37 <+bridge_> <patiga> I think menus were not properly accessible with controllers
16:53 <+bridge_> <alw5> can we get https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11484 merged
16:53 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> always check in GUI settings aswell, I found it on my first run and turned it on :P
16:54 <+bridge_> <alw5> checks arent failing and its been reviewed
16:54 <+bridge_> <alw5> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1457039403749871659/waterfox_MNdmthBPBR.png?ex=695a8d30&is=69593bb0&hm=c1fbab83ceb3066558e85345de32181df64415a6c735433fc4a4708662eda97d&
16:54 <+bridge_> <alw5> and the issue with commit author information is fixed
16:54 <+bridge_> <alw5> so can be merged..?
16:54 <+bridge_> <kebscs> idk why thats an issue in the first place
16:55 <+bridge_> <alw5> i guess since it doesnt add +1 commit to https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/graphs/contributors
16:55 <+bridge_> <kebscs> it does
16:56 <+bridge_> <alw5> well idk then
16:56 <+bridge_> <kebscs> its just not linked to a github account, and i guess the author didnt care about that
16:57 <+bridge_> <robyt3> It seems like an issue that the contributor might want to be aware of. If it's not linked you also can't find the author to blame as quickly.
16:57 <+bridge_> <Assa> He isn't the first person linking the wrong account to a commit or something :justatest:
16:58 <+bridge_> <kebscs> and he had few prs before
16:58 <+bridge_> <kebscs> and the email can be linked anytime
16:58 <+bridge_> <robyt3> You can't retroactively change the author information without rewriting history or revert+redo
16:59 <+bridge_> <kebscs> not by changing the commit
16:59 <+bridge_> <kebscs> just adding the email from commit to gh acc
16:59 <+bridge_> <alw5> its all fixed
16:59 <+bridge_> <alw5> can we merge it now
16:59 <+bridge_> <alw5> 😭
16:59 <+bridge_> <robyt3> If there's no email in the commit there's nothing to link
17:00 <+bridge_> <kebscs> watch assa make a comment `i` -> `ClientId` and we wait another 2 weeks for that
17:00 <+bridge_> <kebscs> ik, but there was one
17:01 <+bridge_> <Assa> when you already know, that I am going to do this, why didn't you do it for me?
17:01 <+bridge_> <kebscs> not a meaningful change to me
17:01 <+bridge_> <kebscs> and that person seem to be somewhat inactive on github to be changing stuff that dont really matter
17:01 <+bridge_> <kebscs> so i thought its going to be faster merge
17:02 <+bridge_> <kebscs> so i thought its going to be faster merge for a good feature
17:03 <+bridge_> <Assa> My only problem is, that this PR happened over the festive days and I wasn't as active - we only have about 3 active maintainers currently, who do reviews
17:03 <+bridge_> <kebscs> btw can be checked by adding `.patch` at the end of link, and it shows unparsed git commit info
17:04 <+bridge_> <Assa> you could argue about the definition of active here 🙂
17:05 <+bridge_> <kebscs> e.g. <https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/03f03636eb001b2fa36b3e8fb8247b6753875fda.patch>
17:07 <+bridge_> <kebscs> @essigautomat you use work email for commits btw
17:08 <+bridge_> <Assa> I am still waiting for the swat team to rush me, I am very easily findable
17:08 <+bridge_> <kebscs> :kek:
17:20 <+ChillerDragon> @Assa its a thing be careful xd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIEwcTKUFCA
17:20 <+bridge_> <Assa> is this US?
17:20 <+ChillerDragon> i think this is germany
17:21 <+ChillerDragon> open source swattin
17:23 <+bridge_> <Assa> Oh maybe I get a new door then :brownbear:
17:28 <+bridge_> <Assa> Maybe I'll just preemptively call the police and just tell them that this might happen
17:48 <+bridge_> <swarfey> hey git pros, what is the best way to make PRs that are based on other unmerged PRs? I have created a PR for the /teamleader command 2 weeks ago (unmerged) and have in the meantime created a new branch on top of that feature to add it to the player netflags. 
17:48 <+bridge_> <swarfey> if i send a PR for that new branch to ddnet right now there will be 6 commits from the previous PR and only 1 new commit that is actually meant for the new PR
17:50 <+bridge_> <swarfey> or do i rebase and drop the old PR commits? then the build checks will fail though
17:51 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> if you have 2 features, one of which depends on it, you can create 1 pr, and 1 draft pr
17:51 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> where the commits come from shouldnt matter as long as they are there and attribution is correct
17:51 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> if you have 2 features, one of which depends on it, you can create 1 pr, and 1 draft pr.
17:51 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> where the commits come from shouldnt matter as long as they are there and attribution is correct
17:51 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> if you have 2 features, one of which depends on the other, you can create 1 pr, and 1 draft pr.
17:51 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> where the commits come from shouldnt matter as long as they are there and attribution is correct
18:01 <+bridge_> <swarfey> okay, so i should keep the 6 commits from the first PR in the second PR, right?
18:04 <+bridge_> <kebscs> idk how to do it when the branches are on seperate repo, you can just keep the commits on new
18:04 <+bridge_> <kebscs> idk how to do it when the branches are on seperate repo, you can just keep the commits on new pr and rebase when the first one gets merged
18:05 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Yes, that called a "stacked PR"
18:05 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Yes, that's called a "stacked PR"
18:06 <+bridge_> <swarfey> okay thanks 🙂
19:37 <+bridge_> <watermelon> I don't find giving all the loop indices names very productive, unless multiple nested loops are involved
19:38 <+bridge_> <learath2> Not all that important, I just wanted everyone to know that 😛
19:54 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> easy PRs and doesnt make readability worse
19:55 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> i much prefer ClientId over i everywehre we do it because to people who dont know we loop over all client ids alot (me in the past) can get confused
19:56 <+bridge_> <kebscs> the loop in question is i < MAX_CLIENTS, i think its clear in that case
19:56 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> the loops can be very long
19:57 <+bridge_> <kebscs> in some cases
19:57 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> regardless i see free pr when i see i
19:57 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> regardless i see free pr when i see `i`
19:59 <+bridge_> <learath2> You shouldn't look at PRs as collectibles 😄
20:00 <+bridge_> <learath2> I would argue `m_apClients[i]` is quite obvious tbf, even in a massive loop, like what else would you use to index an array of client pointers but a client id?
20:01 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> What's next, you're not a better contributor if you have more merged PRs?
20:01 <+bridge_> <learath2> As said, not all that important, I just wanted to point out that it's not all that helpful to do
20:03 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> Now because of typo workflow I can't do PRs which fix typos :feelsbadman:
20:06 <+bridge_> <kebscs> @learath2 could you take a look at <https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11360>
20:06 <+bridge_> <kebscs> i think you got tagged here by roby before
20:06 <+bridge_> <kebscs> i think you got tagged in it by roby before
20:11 <+bridge_> <learath2> Could you ping me tomorrow about this? I'll try to keep it in mind too
20:11 <+bridge_> <kebscs> sure, thank you
21:34 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> hi guys, where did h-m-h go? It's just that he seems to have made a huge contribution to the development of ddnet before.
21:34 <+bridge_> <DDNet> Hellou :3
21:37 <+bridge_> <Assa> For me the naming convention is about clarity and code quality. `i` for index can mean anything, ClientId is more descriptive and I don't need to know about the loop in order to know what ClientId is. One day we may drop the rule that allows index variables like this in the first place
21:38 <+bridge_> <Assa> Applying rules to the code is a good thing, because C++ gives you way to much freedom in how you can write code and easily allows you to write shitcode
21:38 <+bridge_> <Assa> Applying rules to the code is in general good thing, because C++ gives you way to much freedom in how you can write code and easily allows you to write shitcode
21:39 <+bridge_> <Assa> Applying rules to the code is in general a good thing, because C++ gives you way to much freedom in how you can write code and easily allows you to write shitcode
21:39 <+bridge_> <kebscs> not sure, but seems like his last PR was 8 years ago, so you're kinda late
21:41 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> Did he just suddenly disappear?
21:41 <+bridge_> <kebscs> imo faster merge > `i`->`ClientId` in an obvious context
21:41 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> I'm just digging out the depths of the ddnet for an iceberg
21:42 <+bridge_> <kebscs> idk i havent been around that long time ago, but from his github acc he just worked on other projects instead
21:42 <+bridge_> <totar> the issue is not that it easily allows you to write shitcode. but that the easiest code to write is shitcode
21:47 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> He turns out to be the creator of Weylus. It's something like SpaceDesk, but open source
22:06 <+bridge_> <learath2> Allah willing we never do, long verbose names are propaganda by computer scientists who last thought about coding in 1857
22:11 <+bridge_> <0xdeen> `i` is the best loop variable name though. If you want long names, use Java 😄
22:14 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> we got arguing over i in for loop before accounts
22:15 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> and also apparently about the use of checkboxes
22:15 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> jeepers
22:16 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> @swarfey Currently, any call to Client.Disconnect causes the lib to think it timed out, since there is a non-cancellable(?) interval in the connect fn
22:16 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> i can check again though, also weird that connect is lowercase xd
22:19 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> https://github.com/swarfeya/teeworlds-library-ts/blob/20579f8f3956bcbd4366fe52be438d8d208329b7/lib/client.ts#L498-L507 Ofc, `this.lastRecvTime` will not be updated after we send `this.SendControlMsg(4)` since the server immediately knows we want to disconnect
22:20 <+bridge_> <kebscs> ran some scripts
22:20 <+bridge_> <kebscs> and the ai checkbox was described in only 3% of the prs
22:20 <+bridge_> <kebscs> crazy number
22:20 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> instead of waiting around for this (and erroneously saying we have timed out) this interval should probably be stored somewhere so the disconnect can clear it
22:20 <+bridge_> <kebscs> considering ai usage is like 85% based on surveys
22:28 <+bridge_> <learath2> I am 100% in agreement
22:40 <+bridge_> <alynskyzz> antiblocker system
22:40 <+bridge_> <alynskyzz> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1457126382386544742/image.png?ex=695ade31&is=69598cb1&hm=9ff121909ad1ec10a798cb70764f766dbc87ed00e866db9786fbd6bbc62d2315&
22:49 <+bridge_> <alynskyzz> blocker win(
22:49 <+bridge_> <alynskyzz> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1457128797320118282/image.png?ex=695ae071&is=69598ef1&hm=ecb56a0875576c40e9f5d66c32f24abeab713c62e3ea1d0dc3cc8d1d0cc8ed2a&
22:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> why are you posting in #developer
22:58 <+bridge_> <alw5> skull
22:59 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> perma ban dieoska :P
23:00 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> cool now we have official tas in ddnet prs
23:04 <+bridge_> <kebscs> :kek: again
23:06 <+bridge_> <alw5> this one seems to actually work
23:07 <+bridge_> <kebscs> looks like replaying inputs, not full tas
23:09 <+bridge_> <alw5> yea just a replay bot
23:09 <+bridge_> <alw5> the last one was just slop from claude
23:10 <+bridge_> <kebscs> https://ddnet.org/players/dieoska/
23:11 <+bridge_> <kebscs> finished linear and decided to make tas 💔
23:11 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> XD
23:11 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> bro did like 5 THINGS total