06:35 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> hook works, but for some reason doesn't extend so far? just 2 tiles i think or something
06:35 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1456521313299599401/TWMap_Arcade_Renderer_2026-01-01_23-34-48.mp4?ex=6958aaad&is=6957592d&hm=c1b55f3ae7e76c979d1027814c9b6dc7e7a2c7eed96747894b4f967b9a653e6e&
07:11 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> hook works, but for some reason doesn't extend so far? just 4 tiles i think or something
07:11 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1456521313299599401/TWMap_Arcade_Renderer_2026-01-01_23-34-48.mp4?ex=6958aaad&is=6957592d&hm=c1b55f3ae7e76c979d1027814c9b6dc7e7a2c7eed96747894b4f967b9a653e6e&
07:35 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> ~~hook works, but for some reason doesn't extend so far? just 4 tiles i think or something~~
07:35 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1456521313299599401/TWMap_Arcade_Renderer_2026-01-01_23-34-48.mp4?ex=6958aaad&is=6957592d&hm=c1b55f3ae7e76c979d1027814c9b6dc7e7a2c7eed96747894b4f967b9a653e6e&
07:35 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> ~~hook works, but for some reason doesn't extend so far? just 4 tiles i think or something~~
07:36 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> fixed
07:36 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1456536607007051796/TWMap_Arcade_Renderer_2026-01-02_00-35-52.mp4?ex=6958b8ec&is=6957676c&hm=2d80cc36a2a93f8645e65fa93bfd5f70e22a3cbc6632579c0ae7151cf3b2116e&
07:36 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> fixed, so good yay
07:36 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1456536607007051796/TWMap_Arcade_Renderer_2026-01-02_00-35-52.mp4?ex=6958b8ec&is=6957676c&hm=2d80cc36a2a93f8645e65fa93bfd5f70e22a3cbc6632579c0ae7151cf3b2116e&
08:55 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I find it a bit scary that the github ui automatically generates commit messages for me in private repos
08:55 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Isn’t that a bit too much on the nose? Didn’t they at some point at least publicly claim they don’t train their models on private repos?
08:56 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I wonder how realistic it is that regular chatgpt users could extract private repo data with prompting
08:59 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @louis.place: I don’t understand your issue? What is the problem? Which tick you talk about?
08:59 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Do you want to remove duplicated code?
09:19 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @12944qwerty: cool stuff
09:20 <+bridge_> <thefe_110> Hello , i use shutdownwhenempty command in fng so when players quit server shutdown script run it again and server runs with fresh config but it probably gonna reboot the server constantly is there other solution for this in fng2
09:25 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> Yeye. I'm gonna add freeze and unfreeze and see if I can complete a gore map exactly the same.
09:25 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> 
09:25 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> Then it's off to connect it to a server
09:49 <+ChillerDragon> @12944qwerty I have two fng servers and I do `sv_redirect_and_shutdown_on_round_end
09:49 <+ChillerDragon> omg paste
09:49 <+ChillerDragon> `sv_redirect_and_shutdown_on_round_end
09:49 <+ChillerDragon> adiuad
09:49 <+ChillerDragon> i miss webchat
09:49 <+ChillerDragon> `sv_redirect_and_shutdown_on_round_end`
09:49 <+ChillerDragon> when i want to shutdown the server
09:50 <+ChillerDragon> so no round is interrupted and players basically notice nothing
09:50 <+ChillerDragon> this way i can even restart full servers
09:51 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> Ok?
09:51 <+ChillerDragon> Ok!
09:51 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> I keep forgetting what fng is lol
09:52 <+ChillerDragon> well i use ddnet-insta i am not sure what fng2 can do
09:52 <+ChillerDragon> i think ddnet runs an external script that sets shutdown when empty daily on all servers with fifo
09:53 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> I'm so confused
09:53 <+ChillerDragon> by what
09:53 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> Did you ping the wrong person
09:53 <+ChillerDragon> oh fuck yes
09:53 <+ChillerDragon> haha
09:53 <+ChillerDragon> @thefe_110 *
09:53 <+ChillerDragon> jesus i used to feel so comfortable in weechat
09:54 <+ChillerDragon> now after almost 2 years of using a website i am confused af by terminal hacker shits
09:54 <+ChillerDragon> @12944qwerty you were the one that was also interested in my twnet parser project right? So you didnt start with the network stuff yet?
09:55 <+ChillerDragon> i now added snapshots so it might actually be useful for you
09:55 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> Yeah
09:55 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> Haven't yet, will do tomorrow after gore test
09:57 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> By adding snapshots do you mean adding the deltas to get actual positions at each snap?
09:57 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> Or would i have to calculate that
09:58 <+ChillerDragon> yes it can do that too!
09:59 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> Yay
09:59 <+ChillerDragon> You get a snap storage object you can spam snaps into and then instruct it to undelta
09:59 <+ChillerDragon> https://gitlab.com/teeworlds-network/twnet_parser/-/blob/830caceb8f44c465c039794ff9090545481c2516/examples/07/gui_client/gui_client.py
09:59 <+ChillerDragon> here a full 0.7 client with gui
09:59 <+ChillerDragon> but 0.6 is supported too!
10:01 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> Ooh should be easy to add the reckoning with that
10:01 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> Thanks
10:02 <+ChillerDragon> yes reckoning is the last crucial part missing there actually
10:03 <+bridge_> <louis> ChillerDragon: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/13d0cadcaf79758329678a76b47e20cd930fa578/src/game/server/entities/projectile.cpp#L86 this function is extremely unreadable and IMO handles way too much logic.
10:03 <+ChillerDragon> okay and what is your proposed solution louis?
10:03 <+bridge_> <louis> Split projectile.cpp into separate files corresponding to each projectile type
10:04 <+ChillerDragon> i see i get it now
10:04 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> Ooh should be easy to add my reckoning with that
10:06 <+bridge_> <louis> oh i used < and > characters which made some text in the issue description invisible, sorry
10:09 <+ChillerDragon> @louis github nob
10:09 <+ChillerDragon> by a github coaching session from me and maybe one day you will be as gigachad githubber as me
10:09 <+ChillerDragon> using html in comments
10:09 <+bridge_> <louis> how much per hour
10:10 <+ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.7897696c-ca8f-4c25-a4fe-946f172c9223.png
10:10 <+ChillerDragon> 60 bucks one hour
10:10 <+ChillerDragon> fair price
10:10 <+ChillerDragon> with happy ending too
10:11 <+ChillerDragon> buy* omg
10:39 <+bridge_> <avolicious> Oh, nice!
11:26 <+ChillerDragon> @sonic (Solly) yo souly vevo
11:26 <+ChillerDragon> why is selfkill disabled in tsmash?
12:16 <+bridge_> <Assa> guess who's back 🙂
12:19 <+bridge_> <remakepower> who?
12:20 <+bridge_> <remakepower> :thonk:
12:21 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Tardo?
12:24 <+bridge_> <Assa> Shady's back? :justatest:
12:29 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
12:29 <+bridge_> <Assa>   prevtick              tick                 predtick 
12:29 <+bridge_> <Assa>     4                     8                    14 
12:29 <+bridge_> <Assa>     |---------------------|---------------------| 
12:29 <+bridge_> <Assa>     0 <- intratick    ->  1 
12:29 <+bridge_> <Assa>     0 <- ticktime(in s)-> X 
12:29 <+bridge_> <Assa>                           0 <- predintratick?-> 1 
12:29 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
12:29 <+bridge_> <Assa> 
12:29 <+bridge_> <Assa> This graphic haunts me, why is prevtick 4 and tick 8 and predtick 14? The intratick doesn't go from 0 to 1, it goes from 0 to tick - prevtick, isn't the predtick always tick + 1 ?
12:30 <+bridge_> <Assa> also predintratick and tick don't align, so this doesn't even work
12:31 <+bridge_> <melon> Shady's back, tell a friend!
12:31 <+bridge_> <melon> 4 8 and 14 look like arbitrary examples
12:31 <+bridge_> <Assa> @robyt3  😢
12:32 <+bridge_> <Assa> the real example is 4 and 6, and then intratick goes from 0 to 2
12:32 <+bridge_> <robyt3> The server can send snapshots at any rate, e.g. every 4 ticks. The predicted tick is what the client works with.
12:33 <+bridge_> <robyt3> That doesn't really make sense. The code assume that intra tick at 1 means that the current tick's value is used. Otherwise all positions calculations would be wrong. `mix(vec2(pPrevChar->m_X, pPrevChar->m_Y), vec2(pCurChar->m_X, pCurChar->m_Y), IntraTick)`
12:34 <+bridge_> <Assa> my measurement disagrees with this
12:34 <+bridge_> <Assa> see https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/11388
12:35 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
12:35 <+bridge_> <Assa> 2025-12-04 12:04:28 I dbg: GameTick 278, IntraTick 1.408281, Predicted Tick 281, Predicted IntraTick 0.422893
12:35 <+bridge_> <Assa> 2025-12-04 12:04:28 I dbg: GameTick 280, IntraTick 0.421115, Predicted Tick 281, Predicted IntraTick 0.448500
12:35 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
12:35 <+bridge_> <Assa> it's not that it overshoots sometimes, it's always around 1.4 - 1.8 or something
12:37 <+bridge_> <Assa> should it just use the current tick value for intratick > 1 🤔
12:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> mix doesn't clamp if amount goes > 1:
12:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
12:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> constexpr T mix(const T a, const T b, TB amount)
12:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> {
12:41 <+bridge_> <Assa>     return a + (b - a) * amount;
12:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> }
12:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
12:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> > Otherwise all positions calculations would be wrong
12:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> 
12:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> I guess they might 🤔
12:43 <+bridge_> <Assa> lol it just perfectly aligns, because the next tick starts at 0.42 then, I guess this is why it doesn't go off
12:43 <+bridge_> <Assa> and suddenly it makes much more sense to me
12:46 <+bridge_> <robyt3> It's magic. It also works completely differently when playing demos, then almost all `IntraGameTick` values are all less than 0.03.
12:46 <+bridge_> <robyt3> It's magic. It also works completely differently when playing demos, then almost all `IntraGameTick` values are less than 0.03.
12:48 <+bridge_> <melon> 🎊 magic 🎊  XD
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa> I fixed the graphic:
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa>    prevtick              tick   predtick 
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa>     4                     8        14 
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa>     |---------------------|------- | 
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa>           | 0.x <- intratick    ->  1.x | 
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa>     0 <- ticktime(in s)-> X 
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa>                                    | 0 <- predintratick?-> 1 |
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa> I fixed the graphic:
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa>    prevtick              tick   predtick 
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa>     4                     8        14 
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa>     |---------------------|------- | 
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa>           | 0.x <- intratick ->  1.x | 
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa>     0 <- ticktime(in s)-> X 
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa>                                    | 0 <- predintratick?-> 1 |
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
12:49 <+bridge_> <Assa> it showcases how nothing aligns
12:50 <+bridge_> <Assa> except for demos
12:50 <+bridge_> <melon> the joy of gamedevelopment innit
12:51 <+bridge_> <Assa> and now tell me what is the **current time** in subticks
12:51 <+bridge_> <Assa> what is time, does the game work next to black holes?
12:52 <+bridge_> <melon> i wonder if the fact that nothing aligns is the goal after all
12:55 <+bridge_> <Assa> I am pretty sure there is a reason for the intratick beeing like this, so it can be predicted/smoothed better
12:56 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Maybe check if it also works like this in Teeworlds, to rule out a regression in DDNet
12:57 <+bridge_> <Assa> it's just, that everything that relies on intraticks is about 0.4 ticks in the future like this
12:58 <+bridge_> <Assa> that are 0.008 seconds, 8 ms
12:58 <+bridge_> <Assa> I think this is barely noticable
13:06 <+bridge_> <Assa> @robyt3 what is the "current time" to the client? Is it prevtick + intratick, or is the "current tick" considered current time?
13:09 <+bridge_> <robyt3> What do you mean with current time? `LocalTime` is entirely separate from ticks
13:09 <+bridge_> <Assa> I mean current server time, because the gameworld is for example synced to the current tick and not the previous
13:10 <+bridge_> <robyt3> The gametime is `CSmoothTick` so also magic
13:10 <+bridge_> <Assa> I don't understand why envelopes should run on the previous tick, when everything else runs on the current tick
13:11 <+bridge_> <robyt3> I don't understand it, so you'll need another reviewer for this 😅
13:11 <+bridge_> <Assa> Aaaaaa what the heck is "GetSmoothTick"
13:12 <+bridge_> <Assa> sorry that I can't properly describe what I mean
13:24 <+bridge_> <Assa> `            float MixAmount = 1.f - std::pow(1.f - TimePassed / (float)Len, 1.2f);`
13:24 <+bridge_> <Assa> Ah yes ofc normal mixing strategy
13:39 <+bridge_> <Assa> https://github.com/AssassinTee/ddnet/actions/runs/20658023660/job/59314599991
13:40 <+bridge_> <Assa> hmm 🤔
13:47 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Should be fixed on master
14:23 <+bridge_> <kebscs> <https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11482> @essigautomat you assigned yourself 🙂
14:38 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Apparently this works? Self-documenting code :thonk:
14:38 <+bridge_> <robyt3> ```cpp
14:38 <+bridge_> <robyt3> #define MACRO_CONFIG_INT(Name, ScriptName, Def, Min, Max, Flags, Desc) \
14:38 <+bridge_> <robyt3>     /** Config variable: ScriptName\n
14:38 <+bridge_> <robyt3>      Type: Integer\n
14:38 <+bridge_> <robyt3>      Default: Def\n
14:38 <+bridge_> <robyt3>      Minimum: Min\n
14:38 <+bridge_> <robyt3>      Maximum: Max\n
14:38 <+bridge_> <robyt3>      Description: Desc */\
14:38 <+bridge_> <robyt3>     int m_##Name;
14:38 <+bridge_> <robyt3> ```
14:38 <+bridge_> <robyt3> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1456642815219073075/image.png?ex=69591bd6&is=6957ca56&hm=68d244254a0b8d1a8edadc21caedbb8a097e37478b869349a1e825b5694cef34&
14:50 <+bridge_> <kebscs> more macro shenanigans :justatest:
15:07 <+bridge_> <kebscs> <https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11550> smoke test flaky again :tear:
15:14 <+bridge_> <robyt3> We need #11526
15:14 <+bridge_> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11526
15:36 <+bridge_> <watermelon> That is such a nice trick
16:15 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> @chillerdragon 
16:15 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> > why is selfkill disabled in tsmash?
16:15 <+bridge_> <sonic (Solly)> thats how it was in original
17:11 <+bridge_> <gorp> gm devopers
17:13 <+bridge_> <Assa> yes, sorry I am currently very busy, I wasn't home since before christmas, needing to keep up with my own PRs, but I am looking to review the upcoming week
18:47 <+ChillerDragon> @avolicious server has strong connection problems FRA #1 but its not crashed 193.70.37.160:8303
18:47 <+ChillerDragon> its over
18:47 <+ChillerDragon> took almost a minute if i had to guess
18:48 <+ChillerDragon> oh its back hmm
19:44 <+ChillerDragon> i am having a midlife crisis
19:44 <+ChillerDragon> `2026-01-02 19:43:35 I chat/server: *** Happy DDNet birthday to ChillerDragon for finishing their first map 12 years ago!`
19:51 <+bridge_> <NyrrCly> :brownbear:
20:14 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> Bro has been playing for more years than some players have been alive ☠️
20:35 <+bridge_> <ggbots69> Hey everyone, could you please tell me how to link my DDnet account to Discord?
20:35 <+bridge_> <ggbots69> Please
20:37 <+bridge_> <kebscs> ddnet doesn't have account linking. If you mean rich presence, you can enable game activity in discord settings
20:38 <+bridge_> <ggbots69> Okay, thanks for your help
20:44 <+bridge_> <had78> this is fire, that'd be cool if we could configure the animation to the player who triggered it or global
22:22 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1456759575817748692/chiller_incident.gif?ex=69598894&is=69583714&hm=a65913b03a94bfacec17254442ab05d373d8fc7bf73ec1bbd95318811dbd2246&
22:23 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> new meme
22:27 <+bridge_> <sqwinix> new meme "chiller incident☠️"
22:48 <+bridge_> <Brokecdx-> Best way to have a chat with Chillerdragon nowadays?
22:48 <+bridge_> <Brokecdx-> Best way (platform) to have a chat with Chillerdragon nowadays?
22:55 <+bridge_> <kebscs> tag him here, he'll eventually answer
22:55 <+bridge_> <kebscs> @chillerdragon
23:31 <+bridge_> <teero777> matrix prob?
23:44 <+bridge_> <NyrrCly> Wire
23:44 <+bridge_> <NyrrCly> :nouis:
23:49 <+bridge_> <alynskyzz> https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-doe-winter-deer-interview-gif-16806606910500140994