00:18 < bridge> open source antibot module just dropped 00:18 < bridge> bleeding edge detections 00:18 < bridge> 00:18 < bridge> ```C++ 00:18 < bridge> bool CAntibob::OnSayNetMessage(const CNetMsg_Cl_Say *pMsg, int ClientId, const CUnpacker *pUnpacker) 00:18 < bridge> { 00:18 < bridge> if(str_find_nocase(pMsg->m_pMessage, "i am using a cheat client")) 00:18 < bridge> Kick(ClientId, "self report"); 00:18 < bridge> return false; 00:18 < bridge> } 00:18 < bridge> ``` 00:21 < furo> Finally a stop to the cheating problem with this antibot! 00:21 < ws-client> indeed i solved botting 00:21 < ws-client> you are welcome 00:21 < ws-client> furo thanks for ddnet bomb btw i looked at your code :) 00:24 < furo> Ah nice! 00:28 < bridge> ! 00:32 < bridge> you did not consider liers 00:32 < bridge> "i am not using a cheat client" doesnt kick them if they are using a cheat client 00:53 < bridge> Lie detector is next item on todo list 00:53 < bridge> But so far my cheating player base was surprisingly honest 00:54 < bridge> i see 00:54 < bridge> that suprises me 00:54 < bridge> Me too 00:54 < bridge> are you sure that there isnt actually a majority in the players who are lying to you 00:54 < bridge> which you dont know about cuz theyre lying to you 00:54 < bridge> Fair point 00:55 < bridge> But if the majority was lying about cheating. That would mathematically result in over 100% cheaters 00:56 < bridge> 50% of all peoplea are cheating and not lying about it? 00:56 < bridge> Yea 00:56 < bridge> It’s bad 00:56 < bridge> thats alot of cheaters 00:56 < bridge> Yes 00:57 < bridge> i hope that >100% of people are cheating lying or not 00:57 < bridge> i hope that >100% of people are *not* cheating lying or not 00:57 < bridge> There for sure have been rounds with 100% cheaters I have seen it 00:57 < bridge> D: 00:57 < bridge> At that point I stopped kicking 00:57 < bridge> Because it was fair game 00:57 < bridge> [ban](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/633552031591956480.webp?size=48&name=ban) [ban](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/633552031591956480.webp?size=48&name=ban) ? 00:57 < bridge> npm/ddnet https://ddnet.js.org written for typescript mainly 00:58 < bridge> yes 00:58 < bridge> sorry I was eating D: 00:58 < bridge> do not apologise for being a skeleton 00:58 < bridge> everyone needs food to keep there skeleton fresh 00:59 < bridge> lol 00:59 < bridge> chiller what do you think of javascript on the server 00:59 < bridge> Epic 00:59 < bridge> my man :owo: 01:00 < bridge> OG meskalin who was involved in ath once was working on a new project 01:00 < bridge> chiller is devving 100% accurate lie detector just from text input without context let's goo 01:00 < bridge> With js bindings instead of lua bindings 01:00 < bridge> npm/ddnet https://ddnet.js.org written for typescript/node mainly 01:00 < bridge> meskalin is goated xd 01:00 < bridge> js is the best scripting language change my mind 01:00 < bridge> crazy giy 01:00 < bridge> Indeed 01:00 < bridge> typescript. 01:00 < bridge> (and a pretty good language in general) 01:00 < bridge> *guy 01:00 < bridge> giy 01:01 < bridge> typescript is barely a different language 👀 01:01 < bridge> but it makes all the difference 01:01 < bridge> @teero777: self hosting llama is pretty smooth. Can just send the chat to llm and ask if it should kick or not. Half of these Russians discuss cheat settings in game anyways. Seems doable 01:01 < bridge> ngl that's not even stupid 01:02 < bridge> I tried that with chat geepeetee at some point, it decided that everyone should be kicked :sad: 01:02 < bridge> correct 01:02 < bridge> is this why u need translate? 01:02 < bridge> It for sure would ban me then tho -.- I chat sus 01:02 < bridge> xd 01:02 < bridge> Yes 01:02 < bridge> the russian translate is pretty bad with the netspeak though ): 01:02 < bridge> if char >=256 kick() 01:02 < bridge> Sadge 01:03 < bridge> doesnt cover enough cases 01:03 < bridge> its... usable if you are trying to have a conversation 01:03 < bridge> just to be sure: 01:03 < bridge> 01:03 < bridge> if true kick() 01:03 < bridge> redundant if because we all like loosing braincells from time to time 01:04 < bridge> tbh I want to make a watcher server someday. Where it's just 64 automated tees doing things and you can watch them do things 01:04 < bridge> sus 01:04 < bridge> i do this on the ctf bot server 01:04 < bridge> that'd be an interesting experiment, just have random ai tees do stuff and see where they end up 01:04 < bridge> istg they're gonna form a racist group against twinbops 01:04 < bridge> Yes @teero777 pls write me a bot that revives ctf 01:04 < bridge> wdym sus I love rule 7 and have never broken it 01:05 < bridge> :Doubt: 01:05 < bridge> nooo 01:05 < bridge> not the ddracism 01:05 < bridge> Insert souly quote 01:06 < bridge> hi 01:06 < bridge> what algorithms would you even use to make interesting emergent behavior in tee land 01:06 < bridge> i got a notification from matrix when u typed my name 01:06 < bridge> just toss an llm somewhere in there 01:06 < bridge> smth like ant simulation stuff? Where they follow trails and maybe build groups 01:06 < bridge> i would say "throw an ai at it" but thats not going to be very fast 01:07 < bridge> is this for vanilla or ddrace or gores or block? 01:07 < bridge> that's lame, how about starting with that but actually giving them a goal? 01:07 < bridge> or random goals 01:07 < bridge> or even a goal where they have to choose their own goals and acomplish them 01:07 < bridge> pfff 01:07 < bridge> Soon with my beautiful c99 it's atleast not going to be CPU bottlenecked anymorre 01:08 < bridge> i dont think the language is what dictates ais being slow compared to human algorithms 01:08 < bridge> man your sarcasm sector is really low 01:08 < bridge> Souly send twinbop bind 01:08 < bridge> sector? 01:09 < bridge> bind q player_skin twinbop 01:09 < bridge> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/342454474117218334/979686303492890654/11.gif 01:09 < bridge> wow souly and solly together in one room 01:09 < bridge> woaw thes is hot 01:09 < bridge> is the ctf bot open source? 01:10 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1354246116245377186/image.png?ex=67e4977a&is=67e345fa&hm=c4bfe537722a28aa21bb695ca8338d055e5d3fb888d3c5eac0b2d971d36f6955& 01:10 < bridge> this isnt it 01:12 < bridge> @chillerdragon how easy it to make serverside bots in ddnet-insta or ddnet in general 01:13 < bridge> Well there is debug dummies but they are debug only 01:13 < bridge> they are probably a good base 01:13 < bridge> dont they have some input added to them 01:14 < bridge> Yes 01:15 < bridge> It’s on my todo but I don’t like the amount of times it requires to remove the debug if statement 01:15 < bridge> 01:15 < bridge> Also idk how to code proper inputs that’s what I need Teero for 01:16 < bridge> i dont think open sourcing the kinda things teero does is a good idea 01:16 < bridge> i just want something dumb and funny 01:16 < bridge> Me too 01:16 < bridge> There are some open source ctf bots 01:17 < bridge> they are quite old 01:17 < bridge> i cant go into spectate in this one and the bots leave when you do 01:19 < bridge> There is something odd about banning humans that use bots to then fill the empty server with bots controlled by the server 01:21 < bridge> because the bots i want to write wont have an unfair advantage 01:21 < bridge> they will suck ass 01:22 < bridge> I am waiting for a irl robot that sucks ass 01:23 < bridge> ._______. 01:23 < bridge> But ye I get your point. Botting is okay if it is still fun to play against and winnable. But I would argue that even applies to the Voldemort playerbase on my fng server. You can still easily farm them somehow 01:24 < bridge> nnnnnnnoooo 01:25 < bridge> mmmmmm 01:25 < bridge> your logic is flawless, yet i cannot agree with you 01:25 < bridge> the vibes are off if humans hack 01:25 < bridge> its like how tassing official records is boo, go die of a cliff 01:26 < bridge> but making tas tools and tassing unofficial records is yipee, go glide of a gliff 01:26 < bridge> chiller too much nsfw 01:26 < bridge> chiller cant be timedout 01:26 < bridge> oof 01:26 < bridge> rule 69 or what? 01:27 < bridge> I thought \#developer is 18+ 01:27 < bridge> I would like to inquire more about your irl ass sucking robot 01:27 < bridge> I don't think it is 01:27 < bridge> Then I can’t comment more 01:27 < bridge> ~~I would like to inquire more about your irl ass sucking robot~~ 01:27 < bridge> okay 01:27 < bridge> It's gine 01:28 < bridge> fine 01:28 < bridge> But I built a prototype 01:28 < bridge> Are you home yet? 01:28 < bridge> Streamed the process on of 01:28 < bridge> I am home 01:28 < bridge> nice 01:28 < bridge> Are you meeting me in Munich? 01:28 < bridge> btw what's the best cpu you've got 01:29 < bridge> nope, not het 01:29 < bridge> yet 01:29 < bridge> Raspberry pi 4 01:29 < bridge> oh that's strong 01:29 < bridge> prob better than my Intel Xeon 1240-e5 01:29 < bridge> When I bought my new pc I went for the strongest single core power at the time 01:30 < bridge> optimizing is so fun ngl 01:30 < bridge> I forgot the name I posted it in developer just grep ChillerDragon.\*i9 or something like that 01:30 < bridge> You just keep staring and thinking and then smth goes into your head, you apply it and you get a -20ms on the benchmark 01:31 < bridge> That’s so nice 01:31 < bridge> Don’t forget to upstream all of it 01:31 < bridge> to ddnet repo? hell nH 01:31 < bridge> I need 1024 player hammer hit action on ddnet servers 01:31 < bridge> nah 01:31 < bridge> Why not 01:32 < bridge> because it's a complete rewrite 01:32 < bridge> also I'm not translating this back to c++11 01:32 < bridge> You make a clean c99 lib right? 01:32 < bridge> ye 01:32 < bridge> Just send a pr to delete all code in ddnet and add yours as external dependency 01:32 < bridge> Modularized ddnet finally 01:33 < bridge> unifying prediction and server code would be so good xd 01:33 < bridge> well this would be very stupid too xd 01:33 < bridge> give the botters even more performance 01:34 < bridge> You are the botters 01:34 < bridge> mhh kinda ig 01:34 < bridge> but giving Voldemort client a free boost iseh 01:34 < bridge> *meh 01:34 < bridge> @sollybunny: botter detected 01:34 < bridge> Teero just admitted it 01:35 < bridge> Chat based antibot is effective! 01:35 < bridge> I am the friendly neighborhood robot 01:35 < bridge> Like wall-e? 01:35 < bridge> yea I pickup your trash code and compress/optimize it 01:36 < bridge> Nice 01:36 < bridge> jupstar is cooking too on ddnetrs 01:37 < bridge> but there seems to be a bug somewhere tho xd 01:38 < bridge> chiller have you never thought about making a ddnet rewrite like ddnetrs where you make everything like you like it? 01:54 < bridge> they gonna ban me 02:17 < bridge> ban ban 02:18 < bridge> maybe should change the error message 02:18 < bridge> this gets asked 10 times a day 02:18 < bridge> noone knows what "udp filtered" means 02:45 < bridge> i think laser and shotgun sharing a head is alright 02:45 < bridge> grabber Could be changed but idk what to 03:09 < bridge> ```cpp 03:09 < bridge> case IClient::CONNECTIVITY_UNREACHABLE: 03:09 < bridge> pConnectivityLabel = Localize("UDP seems to be filtered."); 03:09 < bridge> break; 03:09 < bridge> ``` 03:09 < bridge> yeah thats a horrible error message 03:09 < bridge> ``` 03:09 < bridge> bool HaveTriedALittle = m_NumUnsuccessfulTries >= 5 && (m_LastResponse == -1 || Now - m_LastResponse >= 30 * Freq); 03:09 < bridge> if(m_LastResponse == -1 && !HaveTriedALittle) 03:09 < bridge> { 03:09 < bridge> return CONNECTIVITY::CHECKING; 03:09 < bridge> } 03:09 < bridge> else if(HaveTriedALittle) 03:09 < bridge> { 03:09 < bridge> return CONNECTIVITY::UNREACHABLE; 03:09 < bridge> } 03:09 < bridge> ``` 03:09 < bridge> unreachable means 03:09 < bridge> m_NumUnsuccessfulTries >= 5 (5 packets were sent with no response) (not reset it seems, so this is just used at startup) and no packet has been recieved 03:09 < bridge> or 03:09 < bridge> Now - m_LastResponse >= 30 * Freq (the last recieved packet was more than 30 seconds ago) 03:09 < bridge> "Server is not responding" is better, you can have more details though 03:09 < bridge> "Server is not responding, UDP may be filtered, or the server may be overloaded" 03:10 < bridge> Exactly 03:10 < bridge> we should add whether a server is overloaded in mastersrv 03:12 < bridge> i think just changing the msg for now is fine 03:38 < bridge> morning tater 03:39 < bridge> I think the reasoning behind this error message is that the master server is able to connect to the server so it's most likely not unreachable unless it went down in the few seconds between the master server updating and you clicking join 03:39 < bridge> i see 03:39 < bridge> but obviously that isnt the case most of the time 03:40 < bridge> but that wouldn't be accurate if you join directly 03:40 < bridge> what is the reason most of the time? 03:40 < bridge> server is getting ddosed 03:40 < bridge> hmm yeah 03:41 < bridge> the ddosed server seems to get dissapeared from the master quite quickly 03:41 < bridge> it's not a very good error message regardless 03:41 < bridge> i think changing it is a good idea 03:41 < bridge> also sometimes you get it if the server just refuses to respond 03:41 < bridge> eg if your ip is not verified 03:41 < bridge> on ger3 or something 03:42 < bridge> I don't think you get this message when that happens 03:42 < bridge> do you? 03:42 < bridge> I thought it just stays on connecting or some other step 03:42 < bridge> well when i was trying to connect to awb 03:42 < bridge> with my different udp ip 03:42 < bridge> it was stuck on udp may be filtered 03:42 < bridge> ah awb is different than ger3 03:42 < bridge> le code 03:42 < bridge> it should definitley say unreachable 03:43 < bridge> it should definitely say unreachable 03:43 < bridge> `Server is not responding. The server may be overloaded, or UDP might be filtered.` 03:43 < bridge> yeah 03:43 < bridge> idk what unreachable is meant to mean 03:43 < bridge> cuz you throw packets into the eather, they might be reaching... the server 03:43 < bridge> not responding is better i think 03:44 < bridge> I suppose 03:44 < bridge> das is whats being measured 03:44 < bridge> what happened to ger3.ddnet.org 03:44 < bridge> it was replaced 03:44 < bridge> with a different method 03:44 < bridge> it only verifys you through the client now 03:44 < bridge> i dont remember was ger3 still ddosed? 03:45 < bridge> is ger3 the protected server? 03:45 < bridge> was yeah 03:45 < bridge> the one with the tclient feature 03:45 < bridge> which was disapeared 03:45 < bridge> it definitely gets ddosed but I don't think it ever went down because of it 03:45 < bridge> that's the point 03:45 < bridge> most servers dont go down when theyre ddosed 03:45 < bridge> just... unplayable 03:45 < bridge> the service did not get denied 03:46 < bridge> ? 03:46 < bridge> dedicated denail of service 03:46 < bridge> well service being playing 03:46 < bridge> very much denied 03:46 < bridge> thats a bit of a bad name 03:46 < bridge> it's distributed denial of service 03:46 < bridge> oops yeah 03:46 < bridge> lots of words begin with d 03:47 < bridge> although idk if there's a different name for when you do denial of service with a network volume attack like how ddos happens. there's other attacks that also get called denial of service 03:48 < bridge> slow loris 03:49 < bridge> but its not denying service thats what the goal most probably is 03:49 < bridge> its just overloading the server 03:49 < bridge> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 03:49 < bridge> that's the same thing 03:49 < bridge> i cant think of a better name 03:49 < bridge> if the server won't serve you then the service was denied 03:49 < bridge> denied 03:49 < bridge> i guess 03:49 < bridge> im very tired 03:50 < bridge> i just got carried thru a "1 star brutal" it was not 1 star 03:50 < bridge> i got lied too 03:50 < bridge> Denial of service is any attack that makes the service unable to respond to legitimate requests 03:51 < bridge> individual username 03:51 < bridge> gucci tag 03:51 < bridge> (guten tag) 03:51 < bridge> tan 03:52 < bridge> nacht 03:52 < bridge> guten nacht? 03:52 < bridge> gute nacht 03:52 < bridge> im so out of it 03:52 < bridge> 5am 03:52 < bridge> Going to bed lol 03:53 < bridge> invalid 03:53 < bridge> Why does everyone seem to have dyslexia? 03:54 < bridge> Only a small proportion of nerds read my tag correctly on the first try 04:52 < bridge> Easier to take a kid at their word when they say that’s how they read something than it is to have them read it again 04:52 < bridge> do that enough and then the kid doesn’t have to try much of the time 04:53 < bridge> also it’s hereditary 04:53 < bridge> enough broader diagnoses based on the above 06:32 < bridge> https://github.com/tee-community/tee-skin-renderer 08:28 < bridge> hi hi gm 08:43 < bridge> gm 08:59 < bridge> hi 08:59 < bridge> finally full black mode in discord 09:03 < bridge> The discord update sucks, let's go back to teamspeak 09:09 < bridge> I kinda like it, but it needs more polishment.. some things have too high contrast or look out of place 09:09 < bridge> really odd contrast and overall color choices 09:09 < bridge> not a fan 09:09 < bridge> and those darker themes are even worse 09:15 < bridge> Fun fact: if you go to experiments and find the desktop visual refresh one, you can say no to discord's bs and go back to old UI 09:15 < bridge> until they remove the experiment at least 09:48 < bridge> I have an idea, maybe just the square rotating, similar to "pulley", and you might be able to indicate strength with the rotation speed 🤔 will test this 10:37 < bridge> this is revolutionary 12:48 < bridge> Everything in ddnet is how I like it. I couldn’t do it any better. Idk how to code a working game 12:54 < bridge> @milkeeycat BIG NEWS 12:54 < bridge> https://v8.dev/blog/leaving-the-sea-of-nodes 12:54 < bridge> sea of nodes i no longer a trend 12:54 < bridge> at first I wanted to make sea of nodes ir 13:26 < bridge> is that so? Then take a look at maplayers and tell me it's absolutely how you like it 14:31 < bridge> `This is the message when neither the server responds nor the STUN server does. Since the STUN server is independent of the game server, it doesn't indicate that the game server is overloaded.` 14:32 < bridge> is the "stun server" (still not really sure what that is) a seperate executable or on the master server side? 14:37 < bridge> @kebscs We are getting there 💪 14:37 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1354449092264198355/screenshot_2025-03-26_14-36-37.png?ex=67e55484&is=67e40304&hm=ac397932fbf2a39a25f85af0f61033b7c61dcdd246574c7867b368f7c0af52ae& 14:48 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1354451878074650735/screenshot_2025-03-26_14-47-36.png?ex=67e5571c&is=67e4059c&hm=79d459606a2f5aa891de753aa91a02fa278348f5bf4a02559414c80c73036837& 14:48 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1354451878595002620/screenshot_2025-03-26_14-47-41.png?ex=67e5571c&is=67e4059c&hm=5ddb7399edc8553f6c453af98b48722d815e2a31fea3a4c4f50c07012ee30fa7& 14:49 < bridge> hmm there is still an offset by 1 error 15:03 < bridge> @ryozuki how bad of an idea would it be to do something like this? https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&edition=2024&gist=06ae773ffcf6b5edcb6b91f9299b90ea 😬 15:07 < bridge> Nice 15:07 < bridge> if u gonna use rc refcell just use the arena crate i sent u 15:07 < bridge> it gives u typed ids 15:08 < bridge> https://docs.rs/typed-generational-arena/latest/typed_generational_arena/ 15:08 < bridge> if u dont need removal u can use the StandardSlab arena it has 15:08 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1354457080039346297/image.png?ex=67e55bf4&is=67e40a74&hm=91ddf9cd876005672aab5e565fb8320aa361a3ae81a0ce174ea51cd056b4f677& 15:13 < bridge> are the square heads reverted now or smth 15:13 < bridge> they are still in review 15:13 < bridge> but I can still work on this in parallel 😎 15:14 < bridge> even without touching each others code 15:15 < bridge> nice 15:18 < bridge> what if I put my laserdoor right next to yours 👉 👈 15:19 < bridge> you can even put your laserdoor over the border 😉 15:21 < bridge> I just found a bug 15:21 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1354460338417959223/screenshot_2025-03-26_15-21-28.png?ex=67e55efd&is=67e40d7d&hm=d7104cfd20c24cb0d724aab30d6b92a501e9bc2907543b3866144ce3c5f3cb5f& 15:23 < bridge> also I think I don't get laser doors, why is the star on the left "on" when the middle door part has number 16? 15:24 < bridge> i don't really get how it would help me, i use `Rc>` to be able to insert data in the vec 15:25 < bridge> for me its more type safe, probs also more perfomant but idk, i generally dislike going for rc refcell xD 15:26 < bridge> Just copy rendering code from the existing function in game 15:26 < bridge> Thats what i did for weapon entities 15:26 < bridge> i also could just pass mutable reference to the vector, but it's stupid, it should be obvious where the new item should be added 15:27 < bridge> @ryozuki i assume you use gentoo with march=native? also mtune=native? 15:27 < bridge> 15:27 < bridge> ever did tests if they are worth it? 15:27 < bridge> yes, no 15:27 < bridge> and the 3rd answer? XD 15:27 < bridge> yes to the first 2 15:27 < bridge> no to last 15:27 < bridge> xd 15:27 < bridge> xDD 15:28 < bridge> testing for the weak 15:28 < bridge> no, I just use it directly. Also doors abuse a CLaserObject over network, I don't know how the server calculates the positions 15:28 < bridge> I see, gotta say in rust cpu-target=native seems really worth it on the x3d 15:28 < bridge> 15:28 < bridge> dunno why xd 15:28 < bridge> In c apps not really 15:29 < bridge> rust strict aliasing best 15:29 < bridge> the more never llvm the better 15:34 < bridge> The server creates a CDoor object, which also does a lot of other stuff. To say I simplified this a lot would be an understatement 15:34 < bridge> The server creates a CDoor object, which also does a lot of other stuff. To say I simplified this a lot would be an understatement, since I really only render a laser in color 15:36 < bridge> Honestly always looked like a bad idea to me, but that's because I'm just not very good with graphs, very mathematically complex 16:00 < bridge> it is suprisingly easy to make server side bots 16:05 < bridge> wtf, my browser crashed and when I restarted I have the new discord design 16:07 < bridge> unfortunate 16:16 < bridge> Hater 16:19 < bridge> yes 16:19 < bridge> 16:24 < bridge> did you like the previous design before this new one 16:24 < bridge> it didnt have a title bar or make the user thing a modal when its very much not 16:26 < bridge> I got used to the previous one, and the new one feels worse 😬 16:26 < bridge> you'll get used to this new one too 16:26 < bridge> facts 16:27 < bridge> tbh i dont even mind it 16:27 < bridge> darkest mode + compact feels a lot better on desktop 16:45 < bridge> Github cards become dark too? I think they were white in dark mode. 16:48 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1354482043949547621/image.png?ex=67e57334&is=67e421b4&hm=e5b721899f9dd025e91f99527793d75f59ab692a8da5c006ae85b922933bb46b& 16:48 < bridge> tower 16:49 < bridge> @ryozuki I came up with a pretty cool solution, instead of storing the reference to the vector in all instances of `BasicBlock` I can make a `BuilderOrSmth` which will borrow mutably parts of `Function` and drop them when it's done https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&edition=2024&gist=5ff8f636f9e5088959589759c5754070 16:50 < bridge>