00:35 < bridge> Hey Guys 00:35 < bridge> So i Heard that bots messed Up the leaderboards. 00:35 < bridge> Might be a good time to reconsider the rankpoint calculation. 00:35 < bridge> Couple of years ago this was rejected because of conservative players. 00:35 < bridge> 00:35 < bridge> Proposal is: instead of only top10 rank giving points, make it so rank% plays a role. Maybe top 10% of times get points 00:35 < bridge> Hellou :3 00:45 < bridge> they don't do it to gather rank points, they advertise themselves on tiktok and #records 00:45 < bridge> but yeah different point system would be a good update for 14 years old project xd 01:10 < bridge> sucks for them because there is no tiktok here :troll: 01:42 < bridge> why community skin download isnt enabled by default? 01:43 < bridge> theres hella jank community skins 01:46 < bridge> better than not knowing it exists 01:46 < bridge> talking about new players ofc 06:02 < bridge> you can do the equivilant in c 06:02 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350333205882077224/image.png?ex=67d65b4c&is=67d509cc&hm=2c3c7af16653be7c386ee5d69b0b33a8713645ff9bafbc3a82a131d2d6e6309c& 08:05 < bridge> @ryozuki when start ddnet on master branch on m3 with moltenvk xd 08:10 < bridge> I just called my windows windoof 08:21 < bridge> morning :ddnet: enjoyers and others 08:22 < bridge> xd 08:22 < bridge> good morninf 08:25 < bridge> I mean if it doesnt take longer than few minutes, would be neat if you could quickly test if the clipping is fixed 08:26 < bridge> wdym by clipping 08:26 < bridge> The issue with the rendering 08:26 < bridge> That you even showed me 08:26 < bridge> im ranching my slimes rn but ill do it soon 08:26 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350369557042434131/image.png?ex=67d67d27&is=67d52ba7&hm=f37d78973b9f532d4276f33047d243895f5da90b6ab31fef3556f96c042bed3b& 08:26 < bridge> ok ty 08:30 < bridge> slimes are translucent 08:30 < bridge> glass is translucent 08:30 < bridge> windows are glass 08:30 < bridge> 08:30 < bridge> your slimes are windows 08:31 < bridge> and windows is the best os 08:31 < bridge> so slimes are the best os 08:35 < bridge> loophole 08:35 < bridge> you're gonna say that linux is the best os 08:35 < bridge> and thats a contradictory because if linux was a slime it wouldnt be a very efficient computer now would it 10:11 < bridge> chillerdragon: why does this variable have `s_` prefix? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/dcb71b45bebf19bf9b1daef0448674180172c43f/src/engine/shared/network.cpp#L361 10:13 < bridge> cuz itssssssss ssppppecial 10:15 < bridge> weird, its certainly not static 10:15 < bridge> weird, its not static is it 10:16 < bridge> i blame chiller 11:15 < bridge> why do i need to be careful using this method ._. 11:15 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350412021119844362/image.png?ex=67d6a4b3&is=67d55333&hm=7086bfeae66615f30778befa2dcac365072a2654db7e1f37500a7b255aea1830& 11:38 < bridge> if you will use it incorrectly your house may explode 12:30 < bridge> more exploits 12:31 < bridge> as in `set_team all -1` ? 12:31 < bridge> was just curious because i use it quite a bunch on Blockworlds 12:33 < bridge> @nouaa :justatest: 12:33 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350431830226243634/image.png?ex=67d6b726&is=67d565a6&hm=3645754df2a1bff9e81daf003544a4432113e73f4903eb4b97d8c96b6840743b& 13:27 < bridge> docker build -t tag . 13:28 < bridge> oh why it jumped to yesterdays messages 13:28 < bridge> im sorry xd 13:29 < bridge> Grep this channel I think it was explained once 13:31 < bridge> Maybe it used to be static 13:31 < bridge> tried but i only found a single person mentioning it... 14:00 < bridge> game ruined by the whole ass story thing imo 14:00 < bridge> 😭 14:07 < bridge> :pepeW: 14:07 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350455288150626415/image.png?ex=67d6ccfe&is=67d57b7e&hm=dac61162074ccc809ede7091534d4acad705768e76592e51f974d04a9310a8ef& 14:07 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350455288469262386/image.png?ex=67d6ccff&is=67d57b7f&hm=22049c38ff65986d60aa22fdbeb1fc8f2d85b9a83aea389e1b6cd7d0333433b5& 14:25 < bridge> Should we ban all these chatbots I wonder 14:29 < bridge> extinguish them 14:36 < bridge> Is there a "list of banned words" in ddnet? 14:36 < bridge> :nouis: 14:37 < bridge> there is client side support and server side in china 14:38 < bridge> but dunno if there is a public official list 14:42 < bridge> Ah and while u test ddnet, you probably are also interested in quickly testing, arent' you: 14:42 < bridge> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-rs/actions/runs/13873274261 14:42 < bridge> 14:42 < bridge> :deen_star: 15:35 < bridge> @robyt3 yo can you please keep #9821 open for now until tater wakes up? He told me he found a way to do null-movement perfectly with binds so that could actually turn around the situation. 15:35 < bridge> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9821 15:37 < bridge> @teero777 how would you detect it btw 15:37 < bridge> Dont think its trivial when not every direction change has to be perfect 15:39 < bridge> In osu theres a setup to just hold 1 key and tap the other 15:39 < bridge> That's why it can be detected there 15:44 < bridge> Ah and while u test ddnet, you probably are also interested in quickly testing, arent' you: 15:44 < bridge> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-rs/actions/runs/13873879772 15:44 < bridge> 15:44 < bridge> :deen_star: 15:44 < bridge> Ah and while u test ddnet, you probably are also interested in quickly testing, arent' you: 15:44 < bridge> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-rs/actions/runs/13873879772 15:44 < bridge> 15:44 < bridge> :deen_star: 15:57 < bridge> I don't think this turns around the situation of "PR rejected". If null movement is already possible with binds then there's even less motivation to add another feature for null movement to the client. That only adds more maintenance and potential for more bugs due to combinations of different features. 16:12 < bridge> guys. what has happened with ddsats API? 16:21 < bridge> Having this binded spams the console with execs I assume xd 16:53 < bridge> is that slime rancher 2? 16:54 < bridge> ye 16:54 < bridge> is there any progress in the development? 16:54 < bridge> idk i havent played since it released 16:55 < bridge> used to play it like a year ago but reached the end pretty quickly 16:55 < bridge> in gamepass 16:55 < bridge> report your progress tomorrow \:D 18:39 < bridge> I am very confused as to where chiller finds all these 0.7 players 18:42 < bridge> i have no idea. i suppose he just creates 30 fake identities so he can justify his commits 18:43 < bridge> :kek: 18:43 < bridge> I know 5 people that use 0.7. None of them play ddrace 18:44 < ws-client3> not in ddrace 18:44 < ws-client3> pvp modes have way higher 0.7 rates 18:45 < bridge> I have to download 0.7 and check it now 18:45 < ws-client3> why download 0.7 18:45 < bridge> I have to know 18:45 < ws-client3> know what 18:45 < bridge> how many people are playing any 0.7 mod at this moment 18:45 < ws-client3> how does downloading 0.7 show you this? 18:46 < ws-client3> ddnet client already lists 0.7 servers and teeworlds clients see all the bridge servers 18:46 < ws-client3> so either client shows players from both versions 18:46 < ws-client3> you need to use ``status`` on pvp servers to see it 18:46 < bridge> ah no exclude filter in the glorious 0.7 client true 18:47 < ws-client3> its not a lot 18:47 < ws-client3> on my fng server its 1 out of 22 right now 18:47 < ws-client3> in ctf it sometimes is 2 out of 6 18:47 < bridge> the vanilla scene seems dead 18:47 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350525866500821053/image.png?ex=67d70eba&is=67d5bd3a&hm=fa71a5746a83eb43f9e99ffadba4ab170c5dde054e186fcae7b9699b231b13f9& 18:47 < ws-client3> public is dead 18:47 < bridge> next person who lies to me about there being vanilla players who love 0.7 is getting deported 18:47 < ws-client3> but the scene is very much alive 18:48 < ws-client3> a lot of vanilla players actually migrated to ddnet after a while 18:48 < ws-client3> especially since 0.7 support in ddnet and better rendering engine and anti ping and so on 18:50 < ws-client3> @learath2 that screenshot is so misleading you made me think players play ctf5 again xd 18:50 < ws-client3> but its all pro players 18:50 < bridge> so there are secret pro players that play on non registered secret 0.7 vanilla servers? 18:51 < ws-client3> anyways i do not like getting called a liar 18:52 < bridge> I would never, I'm sure there are people that do love it 18:52 < ws-client3> there are players who play ctf that only use 0.7 its not a lot but they exist. And one of them happens to be my fng moderator. Nothing about that statement is a lie. 19:02 < bridge> I guess it's fine to add the `username:password` thing, you do have to think about the case where the username or the password contains a : though, or both 19:19 < bridge> @robyt3 are text containers cached, if not, would it be worthwhile to do 19:19 < bridge> 19:19 < bridge> if you have your strong id shown, if a player leaves or joins, everyones text contaienrs have to update when they could just be shuffled around 19:22 < ws-client3> @learath2 i didnt even mention it but my plan was if it finds at least one colon it splits on the first and tries it as username password combo ignoring any following colons 19:22 < ws-client3> so if ur username contains a colon you are fucked but if your password does its fine ``foo::`` logs into the account with user "foo" and password ":" 19:25 < ws-client3> and if your username password combo matches sv_rcon_password it logs you in to that or whatever 19:26 < ws-client3> edge cases dont really have to supported here imo 19:26 < bridge> btw on that ctf server there was a few noobs 19:26 < bridge> when i was playing 19:26 < bridge> it really felt like the old days it was great 19:26 < ws-client3> that is amazing 19:26 < bridge> can you see town-hall? 19:26 < bridge> in any capacity 19:26 < ws-client3> nope 19:26 < ws-client3> anything juicy there? mind sharing a screenshot? 19:27 < bridge> holdon 19:27 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350535880011681853/image.png?ex=67d7180d&is=67d5c68d&hm=47402a26eb65995eefde48767c1c856156625a52aedaa7929e344904495f77e9& 19:28 < ws-client3> oh that sounds complicated and controversial good luck with that proposal 19:29 < ws-client3> but yea of course i am happy that you care about vanilla and try to revive it 19:29 < bridge> i think the 0.7 ui is better than the tabs 19:29 < bridge> but ik that a redesign like that is unlikely 19:29 < ws-client3> if you start advertising servers from the competition i will be sad tho haha 19:29 < bridge> anything which pushes vanilla servers i think will work 19:29 < bridge> from the competition? 19:29 < bridge> why would ddnet advertise vanilla servers 19:29 < ws-client3> anything thats not hosted by me is competition 19:29 < bridge> i go on steam and see its platformer why would i want play pvp 😂 19:29 < bridge> xd 19:30 < bridge> because ddnet is the face of teeworlds 19:30 < bridge> ive seen reviews on teeworlds' steam that they thought its pvp but its parkour instead 19:30 < bridge> same thing 19:30 < bridge> and if you dont want to play vanilla gamemodes 19:30 < bridge> you can ignore it 19:30 < bridge> Really? The collapsible things? I've never been a huge fan of it really 19:30 < bridge> but im sure theres a curious many out there who might give vanilla gamemodes a shot again 19:30 < bridge> its subjective ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 19:31 < bridge> but i dont mind how they are added in ui 19:31 < ws-client3> i also dont like the collapsable stuff too much 19:31 < bridge> Vanilla being popular again would be very cool, but it requires a dedicated community to make it happen 19:31 < ws-client3> but i agree we do not utilize the huge amount of players nicely 19:31 < bridge> why not advertise it in ddnet client 19:32 < bridge> advertise what in ddnet client? 19:32 < ws-client3> browsing the servers filled with Linear servers is not the best ux either 19:32 < bridge> vanilla srvs 19:32 < bridge> read the screenshot :P 19:32 < bridge> we barely have the time to run our own servers and maintain the client, we don't have time to maintain vanilla too 19:32 < ws-client3> @learath2 i think solly and me are talking about public vanilla 19:32 < ws-client3> the one that is not a communiy 19:32 < bridge> the servers which are already online are fine 19:32 < ws-client3> community pro vanilla already exists 19:33 < ws-client3> just the casual one where new players goof around and find it in the master does not exist anymore 19:34 < bridge> I'd suggest getting a community of servers together so that can be listed with the other communities 19:34 < bridge> no ones going to be clicking that though 19:34 < bridge> Wtf how is that my problem? Why do people click on fng or kog? You need to market it better if you want it popular 19:34 < bridge> I can't force people to play vanilla 19:35 < bridge> i want to put it in a very noticeable place 19:35 < ws-client3> same applies to many other mods too btw 19:35 < ws-client3> it is also hard to find zCatch games 19:35 < bridge> yeah 19:35 < ws-client3> used to be easy 19:35 < bridge> but i think ctf is more importnat than zcatch 19:36 < bridge> I do not think any mod is more important than the others 19:36 < ws-client3> except ddrace 19:36 < bridge> or i would prerfer ctf getting the spotlight 19:36 < bridge> after ddracd 19:36 < bridge> after ddrace 19:36 < bridge> the only thing ddrace has going for it is that it's in the name of the game 19:37 < bridge> and it takes up the majority of servers 19:37 < bridge> and it takes up the majority of players in servers 19:37 < bridge> which pushes it to the top 19:37 < ws-client3> i am not sure why exactly the current situation is so bad everything except ddrace seems mostly empty 19:37 < bridge> because i want to play ctf more often than once in a blue moon 19:37 < ws-client3> maybe back in the days it was easier to sort by player amount and find other things than Linear and Multimap 19:38 < ws-client3> but somehow there was a time with way less players which somehow managed to have servers full enough to play ctf and zcatch and even ictf 19:38 < bridge> It has always been like this, for a decade it has been like this, the grass wasn't greener 10 years ago 19:38 < ws-client3> i was playing zcatch on a daily basis in 2020 19:39 < bridge> Everyone played ddrace, then sometimes there would come a mod with sudden popularity, which would be played for a while 19:39 < bridge> then disappeared into the depths of the serverbrowser again 19:39 < ws-client3> the ictf save server was also always filled with players back in the days 19:39 < bridge> when i started, which wasnt all the long ago i only played ctf, i got scared by ddrace servers 19:39 < ws-client3> ctf5 was only empty a few hours during night 19:39 < bridge> ctf on a map other than ctf5? henious 19:40 < bridge> I have been playing since 0.5.1 and I have not once seen vanilla be prominent on the serverbrowser 19:40 < ws-client3> that was rare since i started playing 19:40 < ws-client3> there were some rotating map servers but not too many 19:40 < bridge> Maybe it was easier to find a server with people playing but it was never anywhere close to the top of the serverbrowser 19:40 < ws-client3> i play since 0.6 and i was playing ctf daily and until late in the night 19:41 < bridge> chiller make the best vanilla client ever 19:41 < bridge> If you want people to play different mods, you'll need to find a way to market it, that's it 19:41 < ws-client3> 14 players would get you on the first page tho no? @learath2 not sure 19:41 < ws-client3> ?? @Jupstar ✪ 19:41 < ws-client3> no 19:41 < ws-client3> just use ddnet 19:41 < bridge> u also need good server side bots, so servers are never empty 19:42 < bridge> else servers dont fill up 19:42 < bridge> Maybe we can run some special events like, "mod of the month" or something to promote different mods but I guarantee you people will just leave after we artificially bump it up 19:42 < ws-client3> it worked somehow back in the days @Jupstar ✪ 19:42 < bridge> You need organic growth, actual people wanting to play the mod and inviting people to play with them 19:42 < ws-client3> well new players dont know what they want 19:43 < ws-client3> they play 10 hours then they leave the game forever 19:43 < ws-client3> they used to fill the ctf servers 19:43 < ws-client3> they now fill the Linear servers 19:43 < ws-client3> but there is enough to fill both 19:43 < bridge> in 0.5, yes, but since the advent of servers with more than 32 players max it hasn't been easy to be around the top with pvp mods 19:43 < bridge> I can't tell them what to play, they see on tiktok that Linear is epic funtime, they play Linear 19:43 < bridge> (thats why i think pushing ctf to the top will help a ton) 19:44 < bridge> (if they just click whatevers at the top) 19:44 < bridge> @sollybunny you have to understand noones as excited to play ctf5 forever like you 😂 19:44 < bridge> thats why noones playing it 19:44 < bridge> thats why noones playing it right now 19:44 < bridge> by the reaction of people who played with me earlier 19:44 < bridge> quite the opposite 19:45 < ws-client3> @kebscs well but the thing is there used to be players on these servers 19:45 < bridge> have never seen people play it other than chiller's server 19:45 < bridge> and zcatch sometimes 19:45 < bridge> i want to play it, yet im never on ctf servers as theres no one else 19:45 < ws-client3> @kebscs my server is already new area imo 19:45 < ws-client3> but yes even that had a active player base at some point 19:46 < bridge> Whenever I talk to you I feel like I've hit my head on a rock and forgotten the past 6 years, or slipped into some parallel universe 19:46 < bridge> The playerbase for vanilla has been like 40 people max for years now 19:46 < ws-client3> the pro players yes 19:47 < bridge> I have never seen all 40 play at the same time either, there was no time when vanilla servers were very healthy 19:47 < ws-client3> but the casual player base back in the days was so active they would upload ctf5 footage to youtube on a daily basis. There where like 3 lets play teeworlds episode 1 every day 19:47 < ws-client3> public ctf5 was really healthy 19:47 < ws-client3> and pro games were always organized 19:48 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350541149810593802/image.png?ex=67d71cf5&is=67d5cb75&hm=b0ef0c029e12ca15702505008fbd2fb2eac7e72145f240c04653a81a4e8eb0c8& 19:48 < bridge> :justatest: 12 years ago 19:48 < bridge> It's like the mandela effect 19:49 < bridge> but teeworlds came out in 2019 19:49 < ws-client3> back when default gametype would show up when you launch the client 19:49 < bridge> when i searched lets play teeworlds in yt 19:49 < bridge> top 20 results are 10-15 years old 19:49 < bridge> :justatest: 19:49 < ws-client3> @kebscs it wasnt 15 years ago but its been a few years for sure 19:49 < bridge> When was this? The ddnet client almost certainly never had this, the ddrace client I don't quite remember but I think it didn't have anyt filters set 19:49 < ws-client3> i dont even feel comfortable guessing maybe around 0.7 release or a bit earlier 19:50 < bridge> When was this? The ddnet client almost certainly never had this, the ddrace client I don't quite remember but I think it didn't have any filters set 19:50 < ws-client3> it was back when not everyone was using ddnet client i guess 19:50 < ws-client3> this area is of course harder to remember if you never play ctf and you dont search it on yt 19:51 < ws-client3> but i was searching "teeworlds" on yt with filter uploaded today for quite some time 19:51 < bridge> I think before ddrace client with it's native 64p support, I used to play with dunes client 19:51 < ws-client3> i played with DDrace client 19:51 < bridge> I don't think that one set a "default gamemodes" filter either, it was only vanilla that set that ever I think 19:51 < ws-client3> it even worked on mac was rly pog 19:52 < ws-client3> i switched to ddnet client after jetpack got added i think xd 19:53 < ws-client3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDDq4Qne-kc 19:53 < ws-client3> 9 yrs ago 19:53 < ws-client3> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1742064798.png 19:53 < ws-client3> i dont remember it every being that full 19:54 < bridge> Seems like more work to cache the text containers and keep the cache consistent than laying out the container every so often 19:54 < ws-client3> what i remember was one fullish server so like 10-16 players and maybe sometimes there were like 2 and then a bunch of servers with low amount of confused players that got lost xd 19:55 < bridge> 9 years ago is still ages 19:55 < ws-client3> yes 19:55 < ws-client3> sounds like you are making a point 19:55 < ws-client3> but i am not sure which one :D 19:55 < bridge> yea idk either XD 19:55 < bridge> just saying vanilla is dead in 2025 19:56 < ws-client3> yes we all agree on that 19:56 < ws-client3> but solly and me are saying it doesnt have to be because we have enough players that we could redirect there with default options 19:56 < bridge> anyway, I'd suggest getting a community first, that's the easiest thing to do 19:56 < bridge> I'm not randomly pushing one mod above the others on the serverlist 19:57 < ws-client3> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6240 19:57 < ws-client3> server browser in 2023 19:58 < ws-client3> @learath2 yea the proposal of solly is a bit hard to implement so many ways to disagree with it. So many ways to implement it. So many ways to upset people with. Tricky change 20:25 < bridge> @ryozuki you maintain ddstas.tw right? player api doesn't work 20:30 < bridge> no i own ddstats.org 20:30 < bridge> the original 20:30 < bridge> hmm 20:30 < bridge> who does 20:40 < bridge> https://ddstats.tw/faq @teero777 20:42 < bridge> <_lysrgicc> how to fix "It looks like UPD is being filtered"? Help pls, rus servers 20:42 < bridge> try different server 20:43 < bridge> <_lysrgicc> oh( 20:49 < bridge> <_lysrgicc> maybe there is a way to get around this? 20:51 < ws-client3> try a vpn 20:51 < ws-client3> are you in russia @_lysrgicc ? 20:53 < bridge> <_lysrgicc> Belarus 20:58 < bridge> <_lysrgicc> No changes:(( 21:00 < bridge> rus servers are ddosed rn 21:00 < bridge> thats why udp filtered 21:00 < bridge> try ger servers 21:00 < bridge> <_lysrgicc> ping 80-100 21:01 < bridge> iirc chillerdragon started this an actually managed to connect to a server ^^ 21:02 < bridge> why moving to spectators on sv_pauseable lasts 10 seconds, but on sv_pauseable 0 its 3min 21:04 < ws-client3> @patiga yes my 0.7 client written in x86 nasm assembly can connect to servers and receive chat messages https://github.com/ChillerDragon/teeworlds-asmr 21:08 < furo> @kebscs It's these three settings, `sv_vote_spectate_rejoindelay` `sv_vote_pause` and `sv_vote_pause_time` 21:11 < bridge> very damn impressive! 21:13 < ws-client3> thanks uwu 21:18 < bridge> I don’t think advertising vanilla will make much of a difference. People might play it for a few days, but then they’ll go back to racing/blocking. Reviving dead mods has never really been successful, and I doubt it will work for vanilla either. There's a reason it's not popular anymore, while ddrace continues to thrive xd 21:18 < ws-client3> @murpi there is enough fresh people to permantly fill the servers with players that only play it for a few days 21:20 < bridge> Permanently fill servers.... only play it for a few days... yeah I don't think I understand 21:20 < ws-client3> and defaults rule the world they can be used to fill these servers which will make a difference. The difference it will make is that players that want to play ctf which can not be played alone now have the chance to do so 21:20 < ws-client3> @murpi that is how it has always been 21:20 < ws-client3> that is also what fills a lot of the Linear and Multeasymap servers 21:21 < ws-client3> new players that dont stay can still be fun enemys until they get replaced by the next new player 21:22 < ws-client3> Its not about making ctf the number one mode it is just restoring the ability to play at all. Because as of right now the public servers are basically empty at all times which is unplayble. 21:30 < bridge> ddrace vs vanilla: 21:30 < bridge> - ddnet is constantly updated with new maps and quirks 21:30 < bridge> - vanilla has been the same for like a decade 21:39 < ws-client3> imo vanilla had way too many updates in the last decade 21:39 < ws-client3> not even kidding 21:40 < ws-client3> game was good when i started playing most of what got released after is a bit controversial to me 21:40 < ws-client3> The quality of a game is not determined by the amount of updates 21:43 < ws-client3> I have similar opinions about ddrace too. Everything other than the freeze tile and maybe hook through is bloat. 21:43 < ws-client3> Shotgun is ok too 21:45 < bridge> man u still talk about vanilla 21:49 < bridge> im glad i have an ally to push vanilla lmao 21:52 < bridge> when is practice getting added back? :( 21:52 < bridge> agreed as a mapper 21:53 < bridge> it'd be nice to hav a vanilla mode with classes but otherwise its already fine 21:53 < bridge> fix is merged so maybe on server restart 21:53 < bridge> i think it also depends on if all ranks were already deleted 21:53 < bridge> do servers run most recent? 21:53 < bridge> mostly 21:54 < bridge> until then all we can do is cheer to murpi 21:54 < bridge> lez go murpi :deen_star: 21:55 < ws-client3> @Jupstar ✪ how do you do networking in ddnet-rs? How did you come up with the protocol? How much does a library do for you? Did you have any ressources (blogs references) for prediction/networking and so on or did you just freestyle it? 21:55 < bridge> mh i dunno. i think i just kinda had the idea already in mind 21:55 < bridge> xD 21:55 < ws-client3> i guess same question applys for keyboard inputs and rendering. Back when you started i assume you didnt know how to do it. How did you approach it? 21:56 < bridge> i just did it 21:56 < ws-client3> I am so impressed you built the entire thing from scratch 21:56 < ws-client3> whats your main reference? rust docs? 21:56 < bridge> yeah, be impressed, but to me it's only a matter of if you are willing to spent so much time 21:56 < bridge> i am honestly more impressed i didnt stop half way through 21:57 < bridge> for learning rust it's mostly rust docs or see how libs did code.. and well i defs refactored from time to time, when i felt like getting used to some pattern 21:57 < bridge> but even before i started learning, i defs already liked derive macros xd 21:58 < bridge> that is smth i always wanted in a compiler 21:58 < bridge> allowing to patch the compiler 21:58 < ws-client3> if i would want to spawn a window with rust i would struggle to get started xd 21:58 < bridge> honestly, i think winit is easier to use than SDL2 21:59 < bridge> it's just so much more cleaned up and makes more sense 21:59 < ws-client3> does it also do keyboard handling? 21:59 < bridge> sure 21:59 < ws-client3> how did you find out about it? 21:59 < bridge> i started with sdl (but already knew there is a rust version/rewrite of sdl 21:59 < bridge> and first i wanted to support both 22:00 < bridge> but then i decided to try to reduce c dependencies 22:00 < ws-client3> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1742072399.png 22:00 < bridge> did you know, i first used the vulkan cpp backend 22:00 < ws-client3> ok it doesnt seem to be hidden xd 22:00 < bridge> xD 22:00 < ws-client3> vulkan cpp for rust? 22:00 < bridge> yes i used the original ddnet vulkan backend 22:00 < ws-client3> woah 22:00 < bridge> stripped everything out that doesnt compile and use it inside rust 22:00 < bridge> then i decided to port it 22:01 < ws-client3> u are gangster 22:01 < bridge> and wasted like 1 week just rewriting it to rust 22:01 < bridge> xD 22:01 < bridge> brain off, music on 22:01 < bridge> and just do it 22:01 < ws-client3> sounds insanely fast to me 22:01 < bridge> well i wrote it in 2 weeks 22:01 < ws-client3> i am stuck since a month on adding /register and /login chat command omg 22:02 < ws-client3> skill issues but even with skill as you said you had to stick with it for a long time 22:02 < bridge> you know why? 22:02 < ws-client3> c++? 22:02 < bridge> bcs implemented bad solutions is always a downer 22:02 < bridge> what u actually want is some epyc client 22:03 < ws-client3> yea cool stuff keep it up 22:03 < bridge> but maybe u are one of those realists, that know that your own custom client will never hit 22:03 < ws-client3> if this was minecraft you would be a rockstar 22:03 < bridge> tru 22:03 < ws-client3> there just arent enough people to realize what you have actuall achieved 22:04 < bridge> honestly, it's really not as impressive as you make it seem 22:04 < ws-client3> no 22:04 < ws-client3> its more impressive 22:05 < bridge> the value/time ratio is simply not convincing me 22:05 < ws-client3> you convinced me 22:05 < bridge> ok 22:05 < bridge> thanks ws-client3 22:05 < ws-client3> xd 22:18 < bridge> rust rust rust 22:18 < bridge> in rust we trust 22:30 < ws-client3> can someone pls add auto fix to clangd for the replace loop with ``std::any_of()`` or deactivate the warning for ddnet? -.- i get so annoyed every time it pops up 22:37 < bridge>