00:01 < bridge> u dont consider things like federally subsidized housing and food 00:01 < bridge> and consequent ineligibility for those things 00:02 < bridge> i would say this is accurate 00:03 < bridge> idk why it says "costs are 3,278.2zł without rent" bcs i pay like 1800 for food per month devilered to door 00:05 < bridge> and avg salary is probably higher than it actually is, because most people work on minimum wage 00:08 < bridge> and avg salary on the website is probably higher than it actually is, because most people work on minimum wage 00:10 < bridge> hmm 00:10 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1349882439899549726/image.png?ex=67d4b77d&is=67d365fd&hm=debd289a4d27a2d13c466a83ebe44d32054d71b50d21e8f7f2adf1664509dcfb& 00:11 < bridge> seems affordable 00:11 < bridge> i know some poles 00:11 < bridge> worth considering 00:12 < bridge> I know some poles. 00:12 < bridge> Never again. 00:12 < bridge> ||just kidding|| 00:12 < bridge> if you arent on polish salary/have a good income then yea 00:13 < bridge> yuea i mean i work fully remote and i know they have european employees 00:14 < bridge> tho i need to be sure of that 00:15 < bridge> the working remote laws differ from country to country 00:17 < bridge> I only know like 2 poles 00:21 < bridge> not in some big us cities tbf 00:21 < bridge> Living *in* cities is a bit crazy anywhere, but yeah parts of the US are mind boggling 00:22 < bridge> Living *in* cities instead of just near them is a bit crazy anywhere, but yeah parts of the US are mind boggling 00:28 < bridge> Ah another thing this is good for is when you want to automate something but it's too js heavy to do through curl 00:30 < bridge> Unaffordable 00:32 < bridge> What is a good metric for this? Rent is about 700 for a single bedroom in the city here 00:32 < bridge> woah..... u have opened my eyes to huge potential 00:32 < bridge> 700 USD? i was looking for 1 bedrooms (which include living room, kitchen, bathroom, balcony) in the cities near me and it'd be minimum $2000 00:32 < bridge> As chiller said. Unaffordable 00:32 < bridge> 00:32 < bridge> But we both do live close to the most expensive places in Germany :feelsbadman: 00:33 < bridge> EUR, and that's the average, I pay about 600 for mine 00:33 < bridge> Eh I meant u do, chiller is ofc in Ibiza hahaha 00:33 < bridge> Eh I meant I do, chiller is ofc in Ibiza hahaha 00:33 < bridge> Salaries are also accordingly low though, so it's hard to make much sense of "how expensive it is to live" 00:33 < bridge> around the cities that minimum turns to ~$1650 00:34 < bridge> past that it's pretty consistent here 00:34 < bridge> lots of fast horizontal expansion means all the real estate has similar value bcs it's within highway commuting distance of the city 00:34 < bridge> The average salary is 1700 a month here in italy e.g. 00:35 < bridge> That would be an average 2 room apartment with balcony then.. ~1800€ depending on size, 2000€ would be around 120m² 00:35 < bridge> So the rent is a little more than one third 00:35 < bridge> That would be an average 2-3 room apartment with balcony then.. ~1800€ depending on size, 2000€ would be around 120m² 00:35 < bridge> interesting. im not sure what the conversion rate is rn. all the numbers i said are usd so there's some bias 00:35 < bridge> Also depends heavily on the city. In Amsterdam 1800 euros would be barely better than a shed 00:35 < bridge> Almost 1 to 1 iirc actually 00:35 < bridge> historically but i wouldn't be surprised if it's diluted now 00:36 < bridge> almost always around 1.1 00:36 < bridge> 1.09:1 USD:euro 00:36 < bridge> Note that I live close to Munich 00:36 < bridge> Which is.. horrible 00:36 < bridge> Inside Berlin 1800 would also probably be a shed 00:36 < bridge> sounds right 00:36 < bridge> 1800 in Berlin? You're allowed to sleep on the balcony. 00:37 < bridge> Maybe even use wifi 00:37 < bridge> (but also the wages are higher in bigger cities, so there is that) 00:37 < bridge> the apt complexes with the public wifi are the #1 red flag 00:37 < bridge> Overall, you'll earn much less than you'd earn in the US but last I calculated you should be having a better living with all the amenities the govts here give you and still relatively cheaper other stuffs 00:39 < bridge> the average salary for a Software Engineer is 6 figures in the US, very much not 6 figures in the EU 00:39 < bridge> but also a lot of software engineers live in san fransico where 6 figures gets you a shed and horse manure to eat, so ymmv 00:39 < bridge> but also a lot of US software engineers live in san fransico where 6 figures gets you a shed and horse manure to eat, so ymmv 00:41 < bridge> I make around ~60K€ brutto (without taxes) which is a LOT from what I heard 00:41 < bridge> burrito? 00:41 < bridge> I still live paycheck to paycheck tho, don't do adult stuff 00:41 < bridge> melon u fat 00:42 < bridge> If I made 60k without taxes in italy that'd be about 3k a month after taxes, I'd live like a king 😛 00:43 < bridge> In Germany I imagine that 3k would be much meh'er 😄 00:44 < bridge> yeah, boulder CO is basically that at this point 00:44 < bridge> everything costs a kidney 00:44 < bridge> move to Nashville TN 00:45 < bridge> if i can keep get pay raise at my job & still be able to move then i will have no issues 00:45 < bridge> Yeah I do make around 2.8K per month, -1200 rent and -600 other stuff that I need to exist and boom money gone :( 00:45 < bridge> can't. been there, too humid 00:45 < bridge> also. trashy 00:45 < bridge> we make about the same amount. and have about the same cost of living 00:45 < bridge> that's funny 00:45 < bridge> my rent will be higher as soon as i move out of this room 00:46 < bridge> there is 1k missing, where does that 1k go? 😄 00:46 < bridge> cocaine 00:46 < bridge> good choice 00:46 < bridge> Expenses towards walking younglings and wife + food and some other monthly costs like cocaine and hookers 00:46 < bridge> But yeah mostly cocaine... 00:47 < ws-client3> @meloƞ dox 00:47 < bridge> When drink helles together in Wintergarten?st 00:47 < bridge> Still waiting for you to come home chiller 00:47 < bridge> Pro-tip: Divorce the wife, give away the kids and it's an amazing salary 00:48 < bridge> I should become a financial advisor 00:48 < bridge> That true 00:48 < bridge> Can I swing by you for a few months, my mom is gonna kill me if she finds out 00:48 < ws-client3> @meloƞ omg we rly gotta do 00:49 < bridge> Better yet, sell the kids! 00:49 < bridge> No shit, I've been waiting a year for your butt to return 00:49 < ws-client3> oops 00:49 < bridge> :VAngy: 00:49 < bridge> lol i dont have those issues 00:49 < bridge> You should join me in my financial consultancy business 00:49 < bridge> i am a drug addict but i have hardly ever paid a dime 00:49 < ws-client3> sus 00:49 < bridge> :pog: 00:49 < bridge> i hope the former changes as soon as i have more expenses but u know 00:49 < bridge> not the latter 00:50 < bridge> I'm fairly wasteful but my monthly expenses come out to like 1.5k on the average 00:50 < bridge> That's not to bad tho 00:50 < bridge> So Italy seems to be far cheaper 00:50 < bridge> i am as well. i bought $30 worth of protein drinks i hated and then just gave them to my sister instead of returning all but 1 of them (can you even do that at that store? probably not) 00:50 < bridge> and then bought $50 worth of similar but better ones 00:51 < bridge> my biggest investment this month was monster Hunter wilds :justatest: 00:51 < bridge> 70€... Madlads 00:51 < bridge> I'm also wasting someone elses money, so I could probably fit in a smaller budget if it was my money 😄 00:51 < bridge> :brownbear: :kek: 00:51 < bridge> yeah 00:51 < bridge> i'll give MHW a little time... 00:51 < bridge> go on sale a few times 00:52 < bridge> get some DLC 00:52 < bridge> I was going to get MHW but there is no way on earth this ancient PC runs it well 00:52 < bridge> I need to find a secondhand x570 motherboard somewhere 00:52 < bridge> Bro is discord on phone leaking memory or what 00:52 < bridge> 00:52 < bridge> My phone is getting slower and slowe 00:53 < bridge> How do I debug my phone 00:53 < bridge> Salut) 00:53 < bridge> :hey: 00:53 < bridge> i intend on buying a better gpu soon. i bought another 3060 and am considering either trading 2 for a better one/selling thme both, or running a windows VM with 1/2 my cores allocated at boot on a tuned KVM host, with 1 GPU each 00:53 < bridge> it was a really good deal bcs someone i knew was selling it 00:53 < bridge> then my pc will be unstoppable 00:54 < bridge> i just bought 3 noctua nf a12x25 fans for my computer 00:54 < bridge> so i can use it in peace 00:54 < bridge> Sounds hot, why not just GPU passthrough via visualization? 00:54 < bridge> 00:54 < bridge> I intended to do that but back then I sucked at nix xD 00:54 < bridge> 00:54 < bridge> Maybe I should try it again.. just unload everything and give it to the next person 00:54 < bridge> wdym? 00:55 < bridge> inherent performance loss in any middle layer 00:55 < bridge> no way to do native passthrough without still disabling the device in some way, iommu not mandatory nowadays but i'd never utilize it otherwise 00:55 < bridge> All this just to run a game where you hammer little balls 00:56 < bridge> all this while my PC use is trending way downward 00:57 < bridge> I have my eye on intels new gpu, b580 00:57 < bridge> looks to be at an insane price/performance point and they seem to have figured out drivers mostly 00:58 < bridge> https://looking-glass.io/ 01:10 < bridge> no way actual gpu virtualization? 01:10 < bridge> if it's actually good, yea 01:10 < bridge> this was shown to me when it came out & while cool is unnecessary for my setup 01:11 < bridge> ~~no way actual gpu virtualization?~~ sadge 01:13 < ws-client3> how does looking glass work? is it a vm it self? 01:15 < bridge> it's a KVM host but it outsources all of the work 01:16 < bridge> this is what i was talking about though 01:16 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1349898889641201834/image.png?ex=67d4c6cf&is=67d3754f&hm=7e874be481a07580b05e4347f6a196733412fb9df02fbf79cea1a69a361512f6& 01:16 < bridge> it's not a native output buffer or even based on DRM 01:16 < bridge> that shit will be too slow for anyone with high refresh rate/low latency setups to really tolerate 01:16 < bridge> especially considering the potential for optimization when you have a finely tuned libvirt machine 01:18 < bridge> and the various frontends that you can use if you don't want to attach a discrete GPU, keyboard and mouse to it (which i almost prefer, both bcs my monitor is a kvm switch but also because my kb/m are both wireless with 3 device slots) 01:29 < bridge> just tried vsync off for the first time in forever 01:29 < bridge> my brother in christ it is so smooth 01:29 < bridge> (cuz vsync on was more laggy than usual so i was like lets try it) 01:29 < bridge> but now i cnat hammerfly 01:30 < bridge> and everythings off 01:30 < bridge> yea 01:30 < bridge> i got tearing on in my compositor, direct rendering management, 75hz overclocked on my monitor 01:30 < bridge> also no vsync = tearing and wack 01:30 < bridge> it's like the pc is an extension of my obdy 01:30 < bridge> it's like the pc is an extension of my body 01:31 < bridge> especially on a certain kog server i get <10 ping to normally 01:31 < bridge> new ryzen gpu is supposedly nice 01:31 < bridge> radeon? 01:31 < bridge> or igpu 01:31 < bridge> teah 01:31 < bridge> its smooth like peanut butter but chunky and horrible like chunky peanut butter 01:31 < bridge> radeon 01:31 < bridge> i wanna try the amd strix halo apu xd 01:31 < bridge> also i think the timing which i get back is enough to turn what i think is hf into pseudo fly x-x 01:31 < bridge> i actually have a tendency to spend too much money on tech its insane 01:32 < bridge> yea 01:32 < bridge> with fast input on 01:33 < bridge> i am terrible at fng but get most of the shots 01:33 < bridge> lmfao 01:33 < bridge> why does vsync cause delay 01:34 < bridge> the difference between 60fps vsync on and off is crazy 01:34 < bridge> because it waits for all vertical pixels to be ready before flipping them to display 01:34 < bridge> whereas with vsync off they are all flipped immediately as they are ready (on the interval that your monitor polls) 01:34 < bridge> all rows of pixels i should say 01:34 < bridge> the vblank is sent after the last line & that's what it waits for 01:34 < bridge> so each frame is old? 01:34 < bridge> yes 01:34 < bridge> by several game frames 01:34 < bridge> under many circumstances 01:35 < bridge> but i can run at 3k fps so each frame is 0.3ms 01:35 < bridge> that is the amount of frames that it's processing, but not the amount being displayed 01:35 < bridge> when vsync is on it's just the latest frame available every 1/60th interval (on 60hz) 01:35 < bridge> when vsync is on it's just the latest frame available every 1/60th second interval (on 60hz) 01:36 < bridge> but that frame can also take longer 01:36 < bridge> but 0.3ms is reaaaaaly small 01:36 < bridge> it does generate those frames 01:36 < bridge> but the buffer just isnt flipped 01:37 < bridge> that only happens 60fps when the last one is finished 01:37 < bridge> seeing as screen tearing is a thing it doesnt take 16ms to display a frame 01:37 < bridge> or no thats wrong 01:37 < bridge> i want my cake and eat .. cake 01:38 < bridge> mine's about as tuned as it gets for my monitor's capabilities 01:38 < bridge> it has good frame turnaround just low refresh rate 01:38 < bridge> somewhat shitty colors but good res etc 01:39 < bridge> i guess those are the sacrifices u make when u buy a 4k 32" monitor with $600 msrp 01:39 < bridge> no i didnt pay that much for it 01:41 < bridge> considering just getting a decent 27" 1440p monitor. can't be that much worse DPI wise but budget wise that probably opens me up to way better colors & refresh rate 01:50 < bridge> why is hammerin broken 01:50 < bridge> im clearly hitting on my screen but its just not 01:50 < bridge> idk 01:51 < bridge> and then when i do the playher jerks 01:51 < bridge> ur settings are off 01:52 < bridge> but i can see very clearly the hammer swings when im next to tee 01:52 < bridge> and its not hitting 01:53 < bridge> strange 01:57 < bridge> rat bastard predict weapons was off for whatever reason 06:58 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1349984905421131827/image.png?ex=67d516ea&is=67d3c56a&hm=1d71ec397f6bfee74151d42ae4cd7569cbd71547eab3d134b6fecfefdda96847& 06:58 < bridge> finally got 06:58 < bridge> infclass client merged again 06:58 < bridge> ): 07:44 < bridge> morning compiler devs and others 07:59 < bridge> norming 08:05 < bridge> I don't think red text is ok, is it? :justatest: 08:05 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350001774743785473/image.png?ex=67d526a0&is=67d3d520&hm=51904321fc3eb23cb4055eebf8ce33d6e494be4cf56be7fd081e653b1804a5fd& 08:40 < bridge> Ig 08:49 < bridge> mornging 08:55 < bridge> moming 09:28 < bridge> I'm other⭐ 09:28 < bridge> MORNING ☕ 09:49 < bridge> ☕ statistically I am issue opener 10:05 < bridge> running automapper with valgrind takes 10 mins on my pc, holy hell it's slow 10:06 < bridge> How huge is the layer? 10:06 < bridge> the map is from your issue 10:06 < bridge> Oh yeah that was like 2000x2000 xD 13:24 < bridge> @woidless if it is you spamming every server with ads, please stop 13:26 < bridge> ... they stopped 13:34 < bridge> and started again 16:00 < bridge> @learath2 ppl post stupid images of c size vs rust 16:00 < bridge> so i present u the rust version of the bait 16:00 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350121529882710016/Gl461GnW4AAgFt4.png?ex=67d59628&is=67d444a8&hm=100b520ef6614596ad870c42f3654929a54fea8fd5bd3b364779b80cff8fde9c& 16:01 < bridge> 😛 16:02 < bridge> :justatest: 16:02 < bridge> https://x.com/_72hrs/status/1899868801857921402 16:03 < bridge> u can tell most ppl critizising rust dont know rust at all 16:03 < bridge> because they compare rust size vs a gcc, they forget the --release, etc 16:03 < bridge> its like using gcc -g 16:03 < bridge> also rust adds a shitton more debug info 16:04 < bridge> i will give it to u that with c its easier to make smol sized programs tho 16:04 < bridge> but tis unfair to compare because rust is mostly statically linked 16:05 < bridge> u got ragebaited 16:05 < bridge> i do xd 16:05 < bridge> idk why i use x still 16:05 < bridge> its all bait 16:06 < bridge> the C community (like X community) is mostly about bashing rust than showcasing C 16:06 < bridge> its hilarious 16:18 < bridge> this is fake right? 16:19 < bridge> I guess fmt being massive and panics requiring fmt and the possibility of a panic being usually present in Rust code contributes a lot to it's codesize. Combine that with everything being statically linked, and combine that with version mismatches of crates pulling in multiple copies of a crate and you get a language notorious for massive binaries 16:20 < bridge> Now the modern coder would just say that oh, who cares about binary size, just get more ram, more storage 4hed. Which is sensible-ish, unless you are on embedded 16:22 < bridge> It looks about right. It's rust code optimized for binary size on a specific version of rust vs just normal C code compiled with whatever default flags whatever version of gcc that is uses 16:22 < bridge> It looks about right. It's rust code optimized for binary size on a specific version of rust not showing the flags used vs just normal C code compiled with whatever default flags whatever version of gcc that is uses 16:33 < bridge> ``` 16:33 < bridge> learath2@l2gentoo ~/test $ cat test.c 16:33 < bridge> #include 16:33 < bridge> 16:33 < bridge> int main(int argc, char **argv) { 16:33 < bridge> puts("Hello, World!"); 16:33 < bridge> } 16:33 < bridge> learath2@l2gentoo ~/test $ cat test.rs 16:33 < bridge> fn main() { 16:33 < bridge> println!("Hello, World!"); 16:33 < bridge> } 16:33 < bridge> learath2@l2gentoo ~/test $ wc -c c_* rs_* 16:33 < bridge> 15408 c_flto 16:33 < bridge> 15464 c_gccdefault 16:33 < bridge> 15464 c_o3 16:34 < bridge> 15464 c_os 16:34 < bridge> 3700312 rs_0dbg_3opt 16:34 < bridge> 3700312 rs_2opt 16:34 < bridge> 3700776 rs_rustcdefault 16:34 < bridge> ``` 16:34 < bridge> 16:34 < bridge> Here is the same test repeated with giving both languages the same amount of care and messing about with flags a little 16:34 < bridge> I guess the biggest takeaway is that the flags don't matter all that much when both languages suffer from the exact same issue in this case that the flags can do nothing about, static linking 16:36 < bridge> ``` 16:36 < bridge> learath2@l2gentoo ~/test $ rustc -C debuginfo=0 -C opt-level=3 -C lto=true test.rs 16:36 < bridge> learath2@l2gentoo ~/test $ wc -c test 16:36 < bridge> 1755128 test 16:36 < bridge> ``` 16:36 < bridge> Here is rust with lto just to give it the same chance, I hadn't found the flag. So I guess rust benefits from lto much more since the std is massive 16:41 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350131789213208777/put-tariffs-on-bin-sh-v0-ddhso77nunoe1.png?ex=67d59fb6&is=67d44e36&hm=713b5e23c7523f0a3cfea009cb9a4820ffd194473bf0f89107b36b7437a10e48& 16:42 < bridge> that said u can avoid all that if ur willing and just write to stdout manually 16:43 < bridge> u also forgot strip 16:44 < bridge> -C strip 16:44 < bridge> I pretty much emulated exactly what they did in that picture for C for both Rust and C 16:44 < bridge> ah ok 16:44 < bridge> I can indeed get it muuch smaller for both 16:44 < bridge> there is also a opt level for size 16:44 < bridge> opt-level=s i think 16:44 < bridge> https://github.com/johnthagen/min-sized-rust 16:45 < bridge> opt-level = "z" 16:45 < bridge> codegen-units = 1 also help 16:45 < bridge> panic = "abort" 16:45 < bridge> :justatest: 16:45 < bridge> list grows 16:46 < bridge> ```bash 16:46 < bridge> $ RUSTFLAGS="-Zlocation-detail=none -Zfmt-debug=none" cargo +nightly build \ 16:46 < bridge> -Z build-std=std,panic_abort \ 16:46 < bridge> -Z build-std-features="optimize_for_size" \ 16:46 < bridge> --target x86_64-apple-darwin --release 16:46 < bridge> ``` 16:46 < bridge> :justatest: 16:51 < bridge> Well for C just doing `-fuse-ld=lld` gets me to 5888 bytes 16:51 < bridge> strip gets another 800 bytes out 16:51 < bridge> .rwxr-xr-x 4.6k edgar 14 Mar 16:49 min-sized-no_std 16:51 < bridge> .rw-r--r-- 77 edgar 14 Mar 16:49 min-sized-no_std.d 16:51 < bridge> 4.6kb 16:52 < bridge> ```rust 16:52 < bridge> #![no_std] 16:52 < bridge> #![no_main] 16:52 < bridge> 16:52 < bridge> extern crate libc; 16:52 < bridge> 16:52 < bridge> #[no_mangle] 16:52 < bridge> pub extern "C" fn main(_argc: isize, _argv: *const *const u8) -> isize { 16:52 < bridge> // Since we are passing a C string the final null character is mandatory. 16:52 < bridge> const HELLO: &'static str = "Hello, world!\n\0"; 16:52 < bridge> unsafe { 16:52 < bridge> libc::printf(HELLO.as_ptr() as *const _); 16:52 < bridge> } 16:52 < bridge> 0 16:52 < bridge> } 16:52 < bridge> 16:52 < bridge> #[panic_handler] 16:52 < bridge> fn my_panic(_info: &core::panic::PanicInfo) -> ! { 16:52 < bridge> loop {} 16:52 < bridge> } 16:52 < bridge> 16:52 < bridge> ``` 16:52 < bridge> xd 16:53 < bridge> anyway, this is a pointless competition, we can keep whittling this down all day and it'd prove nothing was my point 16:53 < bridge> what was the page that showed the size to $ historical data 16:53 < bridge> The binary size is something you have to consciously pay attention to or it'll be large, and if you don't pay any attention by default rust will give you larger binaries 16:54 < bridge> If you do care about your binary size and optimize for it, Rust and C should give you about the same binary size proportional to the work you put in to optimizing it 17:03 < bridge> i tried everything from that 17:04 < bridge> panic = abort is the only thing that helps a bit, if you combine it with stripping all text 17:04 < bridge> panic text 17:04 < bridge> rest is only micro optimizations 17:04 < bridge> can you try with statically linked c code ? 17:06 < bridge> @ryozuki stackoverflow error :santatrollet: 17:06 < bridge> ```rust 17:06 < bridge> mod foo { 17:06 < bridge> struct Foo { 17:06 < bridge> _: Foo, 17:06 < bridge> } 17:06 < bridge> 17:06 < bridge> #[intrinsic = "sizeof"] 17:06 < bridge> fn sizeof() -> u64; 17:06 < bridge> 17:06 < bridge> pub fn main() -> i32 { 17:06 < bridge> sizeof::(); 17:06 < bridge> 17:06 < bridge> return 0; 17:06 < bridge> } 17:06 < bridge> } 17:06 < bridge> ``` 17:08 < bridge> `-rwxr-xr-x 1 learath2 learath2 688952 Mar 14 17:07 a.out` 17:08 < bridge> with just `gcc -static test.c` 17:09 < bridge> I guess the one caveat is how annoying it is to get dynamic linking with rust, you really have to work for it 17:20 < bridge> f 17:23 < bridge> 30 lines for hello world 17:23 < bridge> rust is so shit.. 17:24 < bridge> ??? 17:24 < bridge> bait 17:24 < bridge> xddd 17:24 < bridge> the rage bait is real 17:24 < bridge> xd 17:24 < bridge> @milkeeycat https://github.com/0x2a-42/lelwel 17:30 < bridge> bruh 😭 17:31 < bridge> rust bad frfr, brainfuck is the best language 17:31 < bridge> me when i need to make a program that adds 1 and 2 together (it ends up being 100 lines) 17:32 < bridge> ```rust 17:32 < bridge> fn main() { println!("Hello World!"); } 17:32 < bridge> ``` 17:32 < bridge> it panics 17:32 < bridge> xd i hope not 17:34 < bridge> x86 assembly even better, can make hello world in 40 bytes or sth 17:35 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1350145221345808475/image.png?ex=67d5ac39&is=67d45ab9&hm=86303fa341360976fa927cae992a38d609d1c680bb7f0c5e54be080ecc36ddf9& 17:35 < bridge> it's not fair anyway. the os already provides you a console. 17:35 < bridge> 17:35 < bridge> write own os first 17:35 < bridge> programming lingo out of context 17:35 < bridge> can be brutal 17:35 < bridge> Actually in real mode you can probably stil print out to the bios provided console without any OS being there 😄 17:36 < bridge> print with vga 17:36 < bridge> or smth 17:36 < bridge> with uefi its extra hard 17:36 < bridge> but uefi is like a os itself 17:36 < bridge> the BIOS of my motherboard is 13MB 17:36 < bridge> xd 17:36 < bridge> with uefi wouldn't it be extra easy to even have images? the efi framebuffer is much more powerful than whatever the bios provides 17:36 < bridge> unfair advantage 17:37 < bridge>