00:05 < bridge> where are you now 00:06 < bridge> in my walls 00:09 < ws-client3> @TsPiggy montreal 00:10 < ws-client3> i should rly stop doxing my self constantly 00:10 < bridge> flying to montreal rn 00:10 < bridge> german in north america oof 00:16 < bridge> Doxxer worried about doxxing himself huh 00:17 < bridge> Reminder that chiller leaked my home town like - 4 times 🤷 00:17 < bridge> Glad it's big enough so I don't care 00:21 < bridge> I think i could find someone who can build a cannon 00:27 < ws-client3> @meloƞ <:justatest:572499997178986510> 00:27 < bridge> you heard me. 00:28 < bridge> imagine caring 00:28 < bridge> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Creek,_Jefferson_County,_Colorado 00:28 < bridge> this is where i live currently 00:28 < ws-client3> @Ewan go live share location 00:28 < bridge> i did 00:29 < ws-client3> i mean the live updating one 00:29 < ws-client3> how is it called. we call it the "schick live standort bruder" 00:31 < bridge> idk how to do that on discord 00:31 < ws-client3> ``curl https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Creek,_Jefferson_County,_Colorado | grep Ewan`` 00:31 < ws-client3> <:tee_thinking:478629518358085653> 00:31 < ws-client3> where Ewan 00:32 < bridge> where teeworlds 0.8 00:32 < bridge> :feelsbadman: 00:33 < ws-client3> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1741822367.png 00:33 < ws-client3> proof that chiller lives in munich 00:33 < ws-client3> But Ewan not in colorado 00:37 < bridge> Come find me 00:37 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1349526768511352843/IMG_7741.jpg?ex=67d36c3e&is=67d21abe&hm=cf905f90c8ec2d01ba39e29eaec4d103ed47b3aa7eb9d5106744bf3e16a08318& 00:37 < bridge> There should be location in the metadata 00:37 < ws-client3> loool 00:37 < ws-client3> nah discord yoinks it 00:38 < ws-client3> all these social media platforms store the metadata in their db and then strip it off :D 00:38 < ws-client3> i am trying really hard to remember that because i tend to upload my pictures on zillyhuhn.com directly exposing all metadata xd 00:39 < ws-client3> @Ewan how are you even online you are like in the middle of a forrest watafak 00:41 < bridge> 5G 00:41 < bridge> also wifi 00:42 < bridge> i’m less than 30 min from boulder 00:42 < bridge> there’s definitely service 00:45 < ws-client3> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1741823098.png 00:45 < bridge> rainbolt doxxing ddnet dev 00:51 < bridge> lmfao 00:54 < bridge> Sounds like a spot where Chiller would do a teeworlds gameplay video while talking about god or something 😄 00:55 < bridge> yea 00:55 < bridge> idk if he could handle the elevation 01:19 < ws-client3> @avolicious 01:19 < ws-client3> did i get kicked out of kog? 01:20 < bridge> so true 04:26 < bridge> https://mars.nasa.gov/raw_images/787528/ 05:18 < bridge> check out my cool project 05:18 < bridge> https://localhost:8080 05:19 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1349597628525969499/image.png?ex=67d3ae3c&is=67d25cbc&hm=c3c9adfa3fe0ee7e37b5239003aae9d9903089ece0f37f1418ecd7bfa0d6f67a& 05:19 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1349597629150924823/image.png?ex=67d3ae3d&is=67d25cbd&hm=432bd7dbca290bb6514215d74dafecd1179d022d3601e8db7bbc7b572d6d22bd& 05:19 < bridge> great previews discord very cool 05:19 < bridge> check out my cool project 05:19 < bridge> https://localhost:8080 /j 05:34 < bridge> https://github.com/SollyBunny/ddnet-skin-db-plus 06:00 < bridge> ' 06:00 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1349608068152954983/image.png?ex=67d3b7f5&is=67d26675&hm=acec500a5a993562c6e5458522696734191344c16666f32b9a2cee0c69b9ff60& 06:54 < bridge> i feel like assuming you check for it thats fine right? just dont derefrence it or kaboom 06:56 < bridge> i assume its currently a array. if so then you would need to change it to a vector to let it exspand 06:57 < bridge> also would make ddosing way easyer given they could just leave and reajoin a bunch on a bunch of ips instead of sending a gigabit/s of data 08:10 < bridge> i do not care about performance, and its easy to write 08:10 < bridge> gm devs and others 08:17 < bridge> morning fellas 08:17 < bridge> 🦅 09:16 < bridge> I told you already that I don’t know as I am Not Doing Clan related stuff 12:12 < bridge> gm :) 13:04 < ws-client3> @avolicious ah didnt see the message. Who does? And where can i irc them? 13:04 < ws-client3> still cappo? 13:13 < bridge> crack or ahl afaik 13:36 < bridge> @milkeeycat the creator of austral follows me on github 13:36 < bridge> wat's austral? 13:36 < bridge> 😬 13:37 < bridge> the creator of 13:37 < bridge> chidraqul follows me on github 13:38 < bridge> @milkeeycat austral is the only other language with a borrow checker 13:38 < bridge> but it has linear types 13:38 < bridge> https://austral-lang.org/ 13:38 < bridge> https://github.com/austral/austral 13:39 < bridge> epyc 13:41 < bridge> liner refernce 14:13 < ws-client3> @milkeeycat lol 14:15 < ws-client3> @avolicious i cant find them in this discord could you ask them for me? or tell them to email chillerdragon@gmail.com 14:35 < bridge> @9ahl 14:36 < bridge> <9ahl> ? 14:36 < bridge> . 14:36 < bridge> . 14:38 < bridge> <9ahl> yes he was kicked 14:38 < bridge> <9ahl> out of point and afk for too long if I remember correctly 14:45 < bridge> <9ahl> One of the requirement to apply to KoG is to reach the top200 leaderboard, ChillerDragon is currently at **4318** points whereas the top200 is currently at > **11 500** points 14:45 < bridge> <9ahl> (and obviously afk for too long) 14:50 < bridge> im sure a lot more people in kog are not top200 anymore xdd 14:51 < bridge> at some point they were top200 14:54 < bridge> <9ahl> Yes it's being dealth with 14:55 < bridge> wait whaaa 14:56 < bridge> only 200 people are allowed in kog? 14:56 < bridge> <9ahl> KoG is a clan 14:56 < bridge> its the King of Gores clan after all 14:56 < bridge> :kek: 14:56 < bridge> makes sense 14:56 < bridge> makes cents 14:56 < bridge> <9ahl> top 200 is just to apply 14:56 < bridge> <9ahl> you can be top1 and be rejected 14:56 < bridge> <9ahl> (which happened many times) 14:57 < bridge> damn 14:57 < bridge> haha how many times did top1 want to get into kog lmao 14:57 < bridge> <9ahl> you'd be surprised 14:57 < bridge> <9ahl> almost every top200 players applied over the years 14:57 < bridge> are females subtracted from the top200 count? 14:57 < bridge> <9ahl> they just forget that being friendly and a nice person is also a requirment 14:58 < bridge> @learath2 do u know hwo to tell macos cc to use a dylib in a local directory 14:58 < bridge> fuck you and your friendliness ahl! 14:58 < bridge> i know in linux u can do 14:58 < bridge> -a ./thing? 14:58 < bridge> cc -l:./dylib 14:58 < bridge> At what time? Runtime or compile time? 14:58 < bridge> but it doesnt work on macos 14:58 < bridge> <9ahl> I should come more often in ddracenetwork server 14:58 < bridge> cc -l:./myshit.dylib 14:58 < bridge> <9ahl> I'm not used to see people not in Tee Directory 14:58 < bridge> idk why it doesnt work 14:58 < bridge> kog website is too slow to look at any ranks sadly xd 14:58 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1349743494603866112/image.png?ex=67d43616&is=67d2e496&hm=1a42153d435b6577842bd3be5c6b53e78dc29690c8b19d623b7a8f59f72ff06f& 14:58 < bridge> i am inevitable, you'll find me everywhere :kek: 14:58 < bridge> <9ahl> i can't mute or ban it's weird 14:58 < bridge> <9ahl> :justatest: 14:59 < bridge> ~~-a ./thing?~~ 14:59 < bridge> with a -L. too 14:59 < bridge> <9ahl> why would they be subtracted ? 14:59 < bridge> chiller ask about kog in offtopic pls 15:00 < bridge> bcs they are queens of gores 15:00 < bridge> <9ahl> they have a "Queen of Gores ___ is here" when they join 15:00 < bridge> <9ahl> instead of King 15:00 < bridge> :cat_woah: 15:00 < bridge> <9ahl> :bluekitty: 15:00 < bridge> this channel is about politics, rust, sometimes C and sometimes ddnet, not kog 15:00 < bridge> kog out 15:00 < bridge> Are you looking for something like ld preload? 15:00 < bridge> :owo: 15:01 < bridge> <9ahl> ddwhat ? 15:01 < bridge> <9ahl> no idea what that is 15:01 < bridge> <9ahl> only kog exist 15:01 < bridge> i just want to link a dylib 15:01 < bridge> and compilers -.- 15:01 < bridge> ```bash 15:01 < bridge> unameOut="$(uname -s)" 15:01 < bridge> 15:01 < bridge> case "${unameOut}" in 15:01 < bridge> Linux*) libext=so;; 15:01 < bridge> Darwin*) libext=dylib;; 15:01 < bridge> CYGWIN*) libext=dll;; 15:01 < bridge> MINGW*) libext=dll;; 15:01 < bridge> MSYS_NT*) libext=dll;; 15:01 < bridge> *) libext="so" 15:01 < bridge> esac 15:01 < bridge> 15:01 < bridge> # name without extension, num_iters, input number 15:02 < bridge> function bench_program() { 15:02 < bridge> local name=$1 15:02 < bridge> local num_iters=$2 15:02 < bridge> local input=$3 15:02 < bridge> 15:02 < bridge> echo -e "### ${RED}Benchmarking $name ${NC}" 15:02 < bridge> 15:02 < bridge> rustc --crate-type=cdylib "$name.rs" -C target-cpu=native -C opt-level=3 -o "${name}_rs.${libext}" > /dev/null 2>&1 15:02 < bridge> cargo r -- build "$name.con" --lib --release 15:02 < bridge> cp "$name.${libext}" "${name}_con.${libext}" 15:02 < bridge> 15:02 < bridge> cc -march=native -mtune=native bench.c -L . -l:./"${name}"_rs.${libext} -l:./"${name}"_con.${libext} -o bench_"${name}" 15:02 < bridge> 15:02 < bridge> ./bench_"${name}" "$num_iters" "$input" 15:02 < bridge> } 15:02 < bridge> ``` 15:02 < bridge> im using C to bench a program in my lang 15:02 < bridge> wehn ddnet accounts solve the ukraine russia conflict, will kog switch? because making a kog account takes more time and effort than making ddnet accounts 15:02 < bridge> IIRC avo said he will only switch if he has full control over it 15:02 < bridge> works on linux 15:02 < bridge> or something like that 15:02 < bridge> not on macos 15:02 < bridge> that is unfortunate 15:02 < bridge> i want to play on kog servers 15:02 < bridge> <9ahl> You'd have to ask that to KoG admins, I'm the manager of the clan KoG, managing events and members the rest is not on my end 15:03 < bridge> ok enough KoG talk in #developer 15:03 < bridge> <9ahl> yes sir 15:03 < bridge> soreey melon 15:03 < bridge> Set the install name for your dylib to `@rpath/mylibname.dylib` using `install_name_tool`, then link to it with `-l @rpath/mylibname.dyliv` 15:03 < bridge> whats this sorcery 15:04 < bridge> can u give a example 15:04 < bridge> how to use install_name_tool 15:05 < bridge> @9ahl you would be losing like 50% of kog members if you actually enforced top200 xd 15:05 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1349745061151375371/image.png?ex=67d4378b&is=67d2e60b&hm=5ebc59ae4a236d4d9badbca170a551e692c36873273b5f11a4d0b19db2f43c6f& 15:05 < bridge> Well can you first check what the install name ends up being? Idk what rustc does. Do `otool -l ./mylibrary.dylib` 15:05 < bridge> Look for `cmd LC_ID_DYLIB` 15:06 < bridge> <9ahl> let's talk about that in #off-topic 15:06 < bridge> <9ahl> this channel is not for kog related stuff 15:06 < bridge> Load command 2 15:06 < bridge> cmd LC_ID_DYLIB 15:06 < bridge> cmdsize 48 15:06 < bridge> name factorial_rs.dylib (offset 24) 15:07 < bridge> ok this is rust one 15:07 < bridge> the one from my lang is different 15:07 < bridge> /Users/blabla/Documents/blabla/bench/factorial.dylib 15:08 < bridge> ok, this is the issue, on mac libraries can only be linked to using their "install name" if you have an absolute install name, you have to link to the absolute path 15:08 < bridge> why mine is full path 15:08 < bridge> xd 15:08 < bridge> i can change the link behaviour 15:08 < bridge> I'm guessing rustc either has a flag for it or if it doesn't expects you to change it with `install_name_tool` after 15:08 < bridge> ```rust 15:08 < bridge> let args: Vec<_> = { 15:08 < bridge> #[cfg(target_os = "macos")] 15:08 < bridge> { 15:08 < bridge> let mut args = vec![ 15:08 < bridge> "-dynamic", 15:08 < bridge> "-dylib", 15:08 < bridge> "-mllvm", 15:08 < bridge> "-L/usr/local/lib", 15:09 < bridge> "-L/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk/usr/lib", 15:09 < bridge> ]; 15:09 < bridge> 15:09 < bridge> args.extend(objects.iter().map(|x| x.as_str())); 15:09 < bridge> 15:09 < bridge> args.extend(&["-o", &output_filename, "-lSystem"]); 15:09 < bridge> 15:09 < bridge> args 15:09 < bridge> } 15:09 < bridge> ``` 15:09 < bridge> this is what i do rn 15:09 < bridge> ok idk why i add mllvm 15:09 < bridge> Is this calling llvm or sth? 15:09 < bridge> i removed it 15:09 < bridge> it does nothing here 15:09 < bridge> -mllvm is to pass args to llvm 15:09 < bridge> Whatever this is calling it might have a flag `-install_name` 15:09 < bridge> it calls ld 15:10 < bridge> -install_name name 15:10 < bridge> Sets an internal "install path" (LC_ID_DYLIB) in a dynamic 15:10 < bridge> library. Any clients linked against the library will record that 15:10 < bridge> path as the way dyld should locate this library. If this option 15:10 < bridge> is not specified, then the -o path will be used. This option is 15:10 < bridge> also called -dylib_install_name for compatibility. 15:10 < bridge> yep 15:10 < bridge> ld on macOS should have that flag, pass it and give it a relative path or an rpath relative path 15:10 < bridge> Try `-install_name mylib.dylib` first, that should be enough 15:12 < bridge> (relative install names are not a great idea honestly, you usually want an rpath relative one) 15:14 < bridge> Or an executable_path relative one if you only want this loaded from right next to the executable 15:15 < bridge> So something like `-install_name @executable_path/libmylib.dylib` on the library and link with `-L. -lmylib` 15:16 < bridge> People don't like that Mach-O deviated from linux in its linking but I honestly kinda like the way they did it with the special paths `@executable_path, @loader_path and @rpath` 15:16 < bridge> mm but rn its not finding the rust one 15:17 < bridge> wym "the rust one"? 15:17 < bridge> i have 2 dylibs 15:17 < bridge> Load command 2 15:17 < bridge> cmd LC_ID_DYLIB 15:17 < bridge> cmdsize 48 15:17 < bridge> name factorial_rs.dylib (offset 24) 15:17 < bridge> https://tenor.com/view/kronk-disney-the-emperor%E2%80%99s-new-groove-emperor%27s-new-groove-disney%E2%80%99s-emperor%E2%80%99s-new-groove-gif-9209845644877110421 15:17 < bridge> does it find the "other one" now? and what install name did that one end up getting? 15:19 < bridge> hmm i prefer to use install name tool here 15:20 < bridge> dont want to set install name for the compiler itself 15:20 < bridge> cuz this bench is a niche thing 15:21 < bridge> Well you can set the install name with `install_name_tool -id 'whatever' libmylib.dylib` 15:22 < bridge> ok that sets it but it doesnt find it 15:23 < bridge> Can you show me the linker line? 15:23 < bridge> ``` 15:23 < bridge> install_name_tool -id "${name}_con.${libext}" "${name}_con.${libext}" 15:23 < bridge> cc -march=native -mtune=native bench.c -L . -l:./"${name}_con".${libext} -l:./"${name}"_rs.${libext} -rpath . -o bench_"${name}" 15:23 < bridge> 15:23 < bridge> ``` 15:23 < bridge> ``` 15:23 < bridge> install_name_tool -id "${name}_con.${libext}" "${name}_con.${libext}" 15:23 < bridge> 15:23 < bridge> cc -march=native -mtune=native bench.c -L . -l:./"${name}_con".${libext} -l:./"${name}"_rs.${libext} -rpath . -o bench_"${name}" 15:23 < bridge> 15:23 < bridge> ``` 15:23 < bridge> without the :./ doesnt work either 15:24 < bridge> And can you show me the error? 15:24 < bridge> ill dm u 15:42 < bridge> @jupeyy_keks im home 15:47 < bridge> :deen_star: 15:48 < bridge> I've time in ~15min 15:48 < bridge> https://youtu.be/sOWjNRwH3Uc 15:48 < bridge> gm 15:48 < bridge> i think maybe he was asking if you (as mr. KoG) could take a second to maybe find out 15:49 < bridge> fixed 15:49 < bridge> https://github.com/needleful/c_plus_prolog 15:49 < bridge> > Prolog is the only good programming language. I should know, my website is written in Prolog. 15:49 < bridge> > 15:49 < bridge> > Unfortunately, C is the only useful programming language. 15:49 < bridge> > 15:49 < bridge> > Scientists have been trying to find an answer to this problem for nearly 50 years. Some make their C more like Prolog. Others make their Prolog more like C. 15:49 < bridge> @learath2 15:49 < bridge> omg 15:49 < bridge> I like this guy 15:49 < bridge> what is this abomination 15:49 < bridge> ```c 15:49 < bridge> :- include(stdio). 15:49 < bridge> 15:49 < bridge> int func main 15:49 < bridge> { 15:49 < bridge> puts("Hello, world!"); 15:49 < bridge> return 0 15:49 < bridge> }. 15:49 < bridge> ``` 15:49 < bridge> I am not Mr. KoG as I am just there to keep the servers running, no clan or player related stuff 15:50 < bridge> where’s the accountability smh 15:50 < bridge> ```c 15:50 < bridge> int func main { 15:50 < bridge> list[int] var my_ints = list[int]:new(17); 15:50 < bridge> 15:50 < bridge> size_t var size = *(list[int]:capacity(my_ints)); 15:50 < bridge> for(int var i = 0; i < size; i += 1) 15:50 < bridge> { 15:50 < bridge> list[int]:append(my_ints, i*i) 15:50 < bridge> }; 15:50 < bridge> for(int var i = 0; i < size; i+= 1) 15:50 < bridge> { 15:50 < bridge> printf("%d squared = %d.\n", i, list[int]:get(my_ints, i)) 15:50 < bridge> }; 15:50 < bridge> return 0 15:50 < bridge> }. 15:50 < bridge> ``` 15:50 < bridge> just look it up it takes 5 sec 15:50 < bridge> ChillerDragon: should've asked qshar 15:50 < bridge> im sorry but that looks horrifying 15:50 < bridge> sorry. i cant actually do anything you see. it’s not my job you see 15:50 < bridge> :nouis: 15:51 < bridge> my manager just looked at our jira board in a zoom bcs i said i couldn’t find anything to do 15:52 < bridge> we had one card in the backlog that was already done bcs of the way i originally wrote the thing 😭 15:52 < bridge> this other company is fucking us so hard we cannot progress 15:52 < bridge> my manager just looked at our jira board in a zoom mtg w me bcs i said i couldn’t find anything to do 15:53 < bridge> " i said i couldn’t find anything to do " 15:53 < bridge> that is ur first mistake 15:53 < bridge> never do that 15:53 < bridge> in the job world 15:54 < bridge> I was looking for a memory leak but found out of bounds access :feelsbadman: 15:54 < bridge> :justatest: 15:54 < bridge> thats worse 15:56 < bridge> ASan support for your language when? 15:56 < bridge> well it was in standup so u get put on the spot 15:56 < bridge> it's in ddnet codebase :kek: 15:56 < bridge> my language doesn't need tools 15:56 < bridge> it simply has to compile, it's enough for me 15:57 < bridge> :monkaS: 15:57 < bridge> I basically woke up and looked at the board while everyone else was talking and i just said “ngl im looking at the board and im kinda stumped” 15:57 < bridge> sadge 15:57 < bridge> if it compiles it works 15:57 < bridge> yea 15:57 < bridge> :gigachad: 15:57 < bridge> i always try to go to the daily meetings ith atleast something done or saying im working on smth 15:57 < bridge> same 15:57 < bridge> and if i finished i already know the next thing 15:57 < bridge> some social engineering 15:57 < bridge> u don’t understand how behind we are 15:58 < bridge> i mean u have a great point as well 15:58 < bridge> but that’s what ive been doing this whole time between now and when they were supposed to have delivered before 15:58 < bridge> if u have other coworkers that are newer u can word stuff in a way that u let others do the tedious work 15:58 < bridge> xd 15:58 < bridge> now we have worked past like every feature we possibly can without having this API functioning 15:58 < bridge> lmao 15:59 < bridge> it’s been like over 6 weeks of these ppl dragging their feet 15:59 < bridge> but in this field, u can extend im working on x for a bit longer than other fields 15:59 < bridge> because how abstract it is 15:59 < bridge> no one can measure difficulty exactly 15:59 < bridge> use that for ur advantage 15:59 < bridge> unless its p obvious 15:59 < bridge> but i guess in compiler dev its not 15:59 < bridge> xd 16:00 < bridge> yea lol 16:00 < bridge> it’s not always as simple as we expect here but web dev is very different 16:00 < bridge> you can say this in compiler dev as well, no? 16:01 < bridge> i meant in compiler dev it may not be obvious if smth is easy or not 16:01 < bridge> if ur task is to write a test for X, maybe in web where u have already a big framework for it its obvious its ez and quick 16:01 < bridge> ah, but this applies to some webdev stuff as well 16:02 < bridge> Authentication & Authorization for example 16:02 < bridge> u gotta test on ur smallest measurable components 16:02 < bridge> testing auth is eh 16:02 < bridge> my org now requires all commits to be signed with a valid key 16:02 < bridge> which i already did forever 16:02 < bridge> chad 16:02 < bridge> It should be enforced everywhere 16:03 < bridge> it has nice git integration and is built into 16:03 < bridge> they already went militant with no password auth in cli 16:03 < bridge> i think enforcing PATs is good enough for most things 16:03 < bridge> wats PATs 16:03 < bridge> personal access token, you don’t need strict identity verification for hobby OSS projects on github 16:04 < bridge> just to make sure that it’s not compromised 16:04 < bridge> and a token does that fine 16:04 < bridge> we talking abotu commits tho 16:04 < bridge> ye 16:04 < bridge> just sign the commit 16:04 < bridge> anyone can push a commit in ur name and email 16:04 < bridge> anyone can push a commit using ur name and email 16:04 < bridge> not if u have identity set up like that is what im saying 16:05 < bridge> wdym 16:05 < bridge> how does a personal access token prevent someone forging commits 16:05 < bridge> if u dont use signatures 16:05 < bridge> because it’s hopefully a unique token in use on only one device 16:05 < bridge> i dont mean a commit pushed by u 16:05 < bridge> Do you also Sign-off commits besides of signing them? 16:05 < bridge> it binds your email/name to ur gh account when you set it up right 16:06 < bridge> hmm idk 16:06 < bridge> I wonder if we should start signing our commits and our releases 16:06 < bridge> idk 16:06 < bridge> Its basically just used for the linux kernel mostly 😄 16:06 < bridge> no i dont 16:07 < bridge> --signoff right? 16:07 < bridge> yeah 16:07 < bridge> or -s 16:07 < bridge> git commit -sS to sign off & sign 16:07 < bridge> i think u cant set it up automatically 16:07 < bridge> i mean if it was as simple as i am describing code signing wouldn’t exist so there’s an added guarantee of accountability there, my point is just that it need not be enforced for all users 16:08 < bridge> A 2-out-of-N signature for the final releases would be a decent idea to defend against a rogue dev or a stolen domain or a hacked server 16:09 < bridge> Using this during the deployment or within the pipeline? 16:10 < bridge> For the final releases that get put on the downloads page 16:10 < bridge> Ah, yeah makes sense 16:11 < bridge> and the auto updater can verify these too 16:11 < bridge> so even if you aren't paying attention you'd be covered 16:11 < bridge> so even if you aren't paying attention you'd be protected a bit 16:11 < bridge> But how would you distribute the trusted certificates? 16:12 < bridge> Yeah the "bootstrapping problem" 16:13 < bridge> The client can have the bundle, so after you download it once it's solved. The issue is verifying the original bundle, I guess we can do like debian and on our next meetup cross-sign eachothers keys 😄 16:13 < bridge> Setting up a legal entity, signing contracts 16:13 < bridge> There is a ddnet meetup? 16:14 < bridge> Was, we discussed many important things 16:14 < bridge>