00:01 < bridge> I'm trying out awk this year for advent of code, I gladly take feedback :) 00:01 < bridge> 1: 00:01 < bridge> ||```awk 00:01 < bridge> #! /usr/bin/awk -f 00:01 < bridge> 00:01 < bridge> function diff(a, b) { 00:01 < bridge> if (a > b) { 00:01 < bridge> return a - b 00:01 < bridge> } else { 00:01 < bridge> return b - a 00:01 < bridge> } 00:01 < bridge> } 00:01 < bridge> 00:01 < bridge> BEGIN { 00:01 < bridge> } { 00:01 < bridge> a[FNR] = $1 00:01 < bridge> b[FNR] = $2 00:01 < bridge> } 00:02 < bridge> 00:02 < bridge> END { 00:02 < bridge> asort(a) 00:02 < bridge> asort(b) 00:02 < bridge> for (line in a) 00:02 < bridge> sum += diff(a[line], b[line]) 00:02 < bridge> print sum 00:02 < bridge> } 00:02 < bridge> ```|| 00:02 < bridge> 2: 00:02 < bridge> ||```awk 00:02 < bridge> #! /usr/bin/awk -f 00:02 < bridge> 00:06 < bridge> chillerdragon: can you help me for autofarm for clb2s? 01:06 < ws-client> @liberiumrat autofarm is illegal on all clb servers I know. I contacted the admins and arranged an exception. I don't think there is any teeworlds server except my block servers which allow autofarm bots right now. 01:07 < ws-client> the thing is even if you were to use the bot only on your server or mine or got permission elsewhere I can not distribute tools that are illegal on the majority of servers 01:19 < bridge> chillerdragon: Bro, I can make a deal with kisao, kisao my friend 01:21 < ws-client> @cx5x3ko9zce1d6ew defining t1 and t2 in a loop and then using it outside is just nasty but it looks like you are golfing for less lines so everything is allowed 01:24 < ws-client> @liberiumrat yes but as i said i do not feel comfortable distributing tooling thats illegal on most servers. Sorry, you have to build this one on your own. 01:24 < bridge> chillerdragon: can i get ws-client? 01:24 < ws-client> https://chat.zillyhuhn.com/ 01:24 < ws-client> sign up token is: nimrocks 01:25 < ws-client> code is here https://github.com/orgs/discord-irc/repositories 01:25 < ws-client> or what do you mean by "get"? 01:25 < bridge> chillerdragon: wrong credentials 01:26 < ws-client> you have to make an account 01:27 < ws-client> hello 01:27 < ws-client> hello <:poggers2:1008007455936094328> 01:27 < bridge> hi irc fellows 01:27 < ws-client> lol this is discord 01:27 < ws-client> xd 01:27 < ws-client> chillerdragon is legend 01:28 < ws-client> chillerdragon can i buy you farm? i use for clb2s you can close src 01:29 < ws-client> lets switch to the #off-topic channel discussing bots is illegal here 01:30 < ws-client> click on #off-topic on the left side -.- dont go to discord 01:30 < ws-client> oka 05:59 < bridge> :justatest: 05:59 < bridge> chillerdragon is dealing with blackmarket stuff confirmed 07:03 < bridge> @jupeyy_keks will account token send to gameserver contain auth source? (email / steam) 07:03 < bridge> @jupeyy_keks is account token send to gameserver contain auth source? (email / steam) 07:04 < bridge> @jupeyy_keks does account token send to gameserver contain auth source? (email / steam) 07:04 < bridge> like can gameserver tell whether a player is authed via email or steam? 07:05 < bridge> no, but we could include a boolean or some enum if needed 07:05 < bridge> actually nvm, if we hide steamid to gameservers anyway, there is not valid way to check whether a steam account is in good standing 07:06 < bridge> `"vacbanned":false,"publisherbanned":false` 07:06 < bridge> 07:06 < bridge> this is the info we know about the acc 07:07 < bridge> some steam games also have info about whether it has the 5$ minimum purchase history reached 07:07 < bridge> you know. steam account is free and our game is free 07:07 < bridge> yeah, but it's not included in their web api apparently 07:07 < bridge> ah 07:07 < bridge> make sense 07:08 < bridge> what about account creation time or play time? 07:08 < bridge> these are the only fields besides the steamid 07:09 < bridge> i see. ill dig through webapi a bit more. might be available in other api 07:09 < bridge> We use 07:09 < bridge> https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/webapi/ISteamUserAuth#AuthenticateUserTicket 07:09 < bridge> btw 07:09 < bridge> ok 07:10 < bridge> we are hard blocked the idea of just send steamid to gameserver right? 07:10 < bridge> I dunno, I think it's nice if personal information is not send to third party servers 07:11 < bridge> that's true 07:11 < bridge> just considering if steam account itself is actually personal information. 07:12 < bridge> Let's say it like this, do other steam games do it? 07:12 < bridge> As publishers we also have some kind of responsibility to not just do random things ig 07:12 < bridge> lots of game just grab steam id to check things 07:13 < bridge> but we are talking about third-party servers ofc 07:13 < bridge> and im pretty sure third-party csgo server also has steamid available to them? 07:13 < bridge> I don't think steamid is confidential to any community servers in valve games 07:13 < bridge> you can track name history and behavior i guess but steam itself doesn't disclose email or any personal info other than the ones user made available in profile i think. 07:14 < bridge> but as heinrich said, if we can just not send it then there is no concerns 07:14 < bridge> i do agree but i do kinda want it to be more reliable in terms of moderating. 07:14 < bridge> probably just a balancing act 07:14 < bridge> email is ofc not the same as steamid 07:15 < bridge> agreed 07:15 < bridge> but we're limiting steam accounts to 1 ddnet account anyway right? 07:15 < bridge> so if you ban the steam linked ddnet account it's the same as banning their steamid 07:16 < bridge> ye, but people can just register a new one. same goes with the email thinp 07:16 < bridge> ye, but people can just register a new one. same goes with the email thing 07:16 < bridge> sure but steam is a little harder 07:16 < bridge> ig you want some kind of trust factor, therefore the 5$ thing? 07:16 < bridge> im just thinking if it is possible for a gameserver to limit to good standing steam accounts only 07:16 < bridge> ye 07:17 < bridge> but if it not possible then it's probably no big deal since registering a new account is probably already a much higher barrier than just... not having to do that at all. 07:17 < bridge> but that's a pretty low bar tho lol 07:18 < bridge> I can't find public enpoints that let you do stuff that trust factor does in csgo lol 07:18 < bridge> I can't find public endpoints that let you do stuff that trust factor does in csgo lol 07:19 < bridge> csgo stuff is game specific not related to steam id imagine 07:19 < bridge> yeah but they know if you've attached a mobile authenticator and phone number 07:19 < bridge> we can't do that afaik 07:19 < bridge> and how much money you've spent 07:19 < bridge> oh that would be quite useful if we can check that 07:23 < bridge> You can query the steam level and badges xd 07:23 < bridge> That could give you an estimate 07:24 < bridge> But probs not on a private profile 07:24 < bridge> i think levels are public regardless 07:24 < bridge> Not on the steam website at least 07:24 < bridge> but maybe you can still query them yeah 07:25 < bridge> what? i remember seeing the circle on private profile. 07:25 < bridge> probably just misremembered 08:06 < bridge> you can't do anything as a publisher tho, it's a user endpoint. 08:06 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1313038646084898836/image.png?ex=674eae08&is=674d5c88&hm=b9144f1b12297ddbbcb28a42b2ea847ae055d91f72ae311496dfdbe59f9e3ca6& 08:23 < bridge> Okay so I wrote some *artistic* solutions (honestly I wish I could do better but I'm not yet a certified Haskell wizard) 08:23 < bridge> Now looking at day 2 I'm afraid I'm going to struggle with the complexity of the requirements 08:23 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1313042813021196318/SPOILER_1.hs?ex=674eb1e9&is=674d6069&hm=86101e03209c99ea8d30b1e212c53472b5cf3be87ca0366037604425829e97b4& 08:23 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1313042813461467167/SPOILER_1x.hs?ex=674eb1e9&is=674d6069&hm=a0c8971f1e9f8f9d0414c53277ae71b4fa8a76e7aef2eb1637c949820c4b62ca& 08:26 < bridge> I might even have to break it up onto multiple lines! 08:36 < bridge> what is a monad 08:38 < bridge> 😬 08:39 < bridge> > Monads are used to model computations. Think of a computation as being like a function, which maps an input to an output, but as also doing "something more." The something more is an effect that the function has as a result of being computed. For example, the effect might involve printing to the screen. Monads provide an abstraction of effects, and help to make sure that effects happen in a controlled order. 08:43 < ws-client> I think i rq aoc i just wasted my day on this shitty edge case. In case anyone gets stuck like me try adding this to your test cases ``21 24 21 19 17 14`` 08:50 < bridge> @murpi we might need a bot command /lmgptfy 08:50 < bridge> :kekw: 08:53 < ws-client> duckduckgo AI assistant > chatgpt 09:01 < bridge> what backend are they using 09:01 < bridge> do they have an api too. i might need that 09:02 < bridge> openai access is too hard to get as a chinese person 09:02 < bridge> ok, they have multiple choices, so just wrappers. 09:03 < bridge> i like that it is just free to use without login tho. seems super abusable too, i wonder how long it will stay like that. 09:12 < bridge> chillerdragon: is duckduckgo for profit 09:16 < bridge> lol I went a bit too hard with the functional juice with the 2nd problem for the first day, it takes 100ms to execute because I'm generating the cartesian product of the two input lists 09:16 < bridge> lol I went a bit too hard with the functional juice with the 2nd problem for the first day, it takes 90ms to execute because I'm generating the cartesian product of the two input lists 09:28 < bridge> chillerdragon: btw did you implement the server redirect thing 09:31 < bridge> does that mean we could somehow make a command that automatically finds an empty server, change it's map and direct player there? 09:31 < bridge> does that mean we could somehow make a command that automatically finds an empty server, change its map and direct player there? 09:46 < bridge> i did day 2 p1 in ocaml but im frustrated with how dune works and tooling 09:46 < bridge> my god its just so bad 09:46 < bridge> > ❯ dune build 09:46 < bridge> > File "lib/util.ml", line 15, characters 0-0: 09:46 < bridge> > Error: Syntax error 09:46 < bridge> this is the quality of the error messages 09:46 < bridge> i love rust even more now 09:47 < bridge> the idea behind ocaml seemes so good, but i wont work with this bad ux 09:47 < bridge> xd 09:48 < bridge> These are still artistic in that I never bind any variables but I did split it into multiple lines so they're almost readable *eugh* 🤢 09:48 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1313064153811914752/SPOILER_2.hs?ex=674ec5c9&is=674d7449&hm=1f9ae6d27d1092a0b56c36298637a67dc52f6798b6e001c461024b0285f97878& 09:48 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1313064154311168050/SPOILER_2x.hs?ex=674ec5c9&is=674d7449&hm=5586439766d9f2110bcbfadea6b2bc61e982d65f161ea78718e41358f90329e4& 09:51 < bridge> I'm trying so hard right now 09:51 < bridge> I hope you're proud of me 🧡 10:05 < bridge> I feel bad about abusing `liftM2` for everything, I should find ways to use more varied combinators >:3 10:13 < bridge> :justatest: i'm on a spectating spree i guess 10:35 < bridge> @soulyvevo any examples for skins that we might want to keep in database but other players might not want to see them? 10:35 < bridge> i'm curious 10:35 < bridge> defatulYoda 10:36 < bridge> :justatest: i see 10:37 < bridge> though for me it's the reverse 10:37 < bridge> maybe I'll override my default skin with defatulYoda 10:37 < bridge> It's so beautiful 🤩 10:37 < bridge> Any of the ghost skins, since they lack feet, and knowing if your partner has double jump is very important 10:37 < bridge> honestly. i think people who see these as beneficial would just seek them out anyway, it's not like we have a in-game skin browser. 10:37 < bridge> they are already seeking them out. maybe we could just do it on the web part and opens a non public section 10:38 < bridge> or group 10:38 < bridge> I want a button to just download the entire skin database hehe 10:38 < bridge> they are already seeking them out by checking out the skin database. maybe we could just do it on the web part and opens a non public section 10:39 < bridge> every time there's a batch of new skins I need to manually download them 10:39 < bridge> every time there's a batch of new skins I need to manually download them and that's a bit annoying 10:39 < bridge> non public section - where we still host them on website, but you can't automatically fetch it in game 10:40 < bridge> i'm wondering if we have dynamic asset managment now. like loading and unloading based on usage 10:40 < bridge> my guess is that skin menu is loading every asset all at once so too many skins will just break either vram or just ram? 10:41 < bridge> i see player who can't open game due to having too many skins downloaded 10:41 < bridge> i remember seeing player who can't open game due to having too many skins downloaded 10:42 < bridge> I had this happen to me once when I had a different game (Yuanshen) running at the same time hogging all my VRAM 10:44 < bridge> :pepeW: shouldn't it be called genshin impact 10:45 < bridge> so basically it's a lack of resource management thing. if we have that, we can just show every skin in database probably. 10:53 < bridge> Yeah but I think it's funny to call it by the chinese name 10:54 < bridge> another nickname I use for it is "chinese game" 10:55 < bridge> it's kind of an euphemism tbh :justatest: 10:55 < bridge> it's kind of a euphemism tbh :justatest: 11:02 < bridge> @soulyvevo Instead of removing skins, just move them to community db, if you dislike a skin for whatever reason. 11:02 < bridge> 11:02 < bridge> Or what is the motivation to remove skins (other than if it is requested by the author)? 11:04 < bridge> How did you even evaluate the usage of a skin? 11:04 < bridge> 11:05 < bridge> Does furo have stats for that? 😄 11:06 < bridge> Furo has.. everything (and his site tracks the used skin of someone so it's fairly easy to grep for from his db) 11:07 < bridge> I should log into it again at some point... 11:39 < bridge> monoid in the category of endofunctors 11:41 < bridge> I learned some abstract nonsense but once I stopped trying to learn more it kinda fell out of my head 11:42 < bridge> I'm sure I'll grok it if I put more thinking time into it 11:44 < bridge> I *think* my realization earlier today about `fmap` and `liftM` being the same thing is approximately correct 11:50 < bridge> See Lea, it's not even purely about being compatible to mods. 11:50 < bridge> 11:50 < bridge> If we don't talk about gameplay for a moment, just about ddnet services, skin database, community list etc. 11:50 < bridge> 11:50 < bridge> Even then ddnet's way is just insane. We are not allowed to write imperfect non-future proof code anymore. 11:51 < bridge> 11:51 < bridge> If I want to introduce skin categories or generally want better search systems (https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1287503756048465981), and make normal & community a category instead of what we have now, as well as allowing sub categories, which would also remove the "skin-prefix" and instead make santa skins a category (for example). 11:51 < bridge> 11:51 < bridge> Then I have to make sure it's compatible to ddnet 9-current. I have to make sure the old system also still gets skin updates, bcs maybe -1 players are still playing on a client that already had downloaded skins support. I have to make sure it's directly implemented bug-free. 11:51 < bridge> 11:51 < bridge> That is one of the reasons I did what I did, I just find it so annoying to always have the excuse, but player xy also wants to enjoy ddnet. Oh nooo, player xy, poor guy. 11:51 < bridge> 11:51 < bridge> I prefer to make stuff where 95% of all players benefit from it, most ppl that simply use the steam version wouldn't even notice a skin database upgrade as in my example. 11:51 < bridge> 11:51 < bridge> Additionally we tend to bloat with new features, bcs we do it in such a bad way, that we support old and new versions over years. 11:51 < bridge> 11:51 < bridge> It's simply a paradigm change. If you don't like it, don't support it. I am ok to fail, at least I tried. Not like I am ignored since years anyway.. Mister dictator ddnet admin decides what he likes most anyway, and all follow without self reflection or reasoning. It just bores me. Maybe I am alone with that, fine. But if all devs are bored by the project it will die as well. 11:51 < bridge> holy 11:54 < bridge> yeah they're the same 11:57 < bridge> I'm out of the loop, why is deprecating features not allowed around here? 11:58 < bridge> Don't ask me, ask the ppl I don't want to mention by name 11:59 < bridge> Apparently staying 10 years comaptible to all ddnet related projects that ever existed is good 12:00 < bridge> Nice! I'd like some pointers in general since you seem to know your stuff... Maybe you could take a look at my horrendous incantations and tell me if I'm doing anything obviously stupid at some point? 🥺 12:01 < bridge> A bit hard if I don't know their names lol 12:01 < bridge> but I get it :pepeW: 12:12 < bridge> Every person is allowed to have their own opinion. Except me apparently 12:14 < bridge> Not like I can tell you what to do. Feel free to break whatever you want. I can just hope you don't end up accidentally killing the whole thing trying to remove ddnet 9 compatibility 12:21 < bridge> Is there any notable reason for holding onto that compatibility? Some reason people would be unable to easily upgrade to the latest versions? 12:22 < bridge> Yes, you are only here to have no opinion, true 12:22 < bridge> Else I'd not write to you 12:24 < bridge> There isn't 12:25 < bridge> :frozen: 12:26 < bridge> And even if they're for some reason stuck on those older versions it's not like they couldn't keep playing as long as basic Teeworlds compat is there... 12:27 < bridge> That is a good point too yes 12:27 < bridge> Most people stuck on old versions are just using cheat clients the couldnt get an update for - change my mind 12:28 < bridge> Most people stuck on old versions are just using cheat clients they couldnt get an update for - change my mind 12:29 < bridge> I'm a bit past my haskell days too but this lgtm 12:29 < bridge> There are some small things you could do differently/golf further but I wouldn't say they're wrong 12:29 < bridge> 12:29 < bridge> Like, in day 2 you could try to combine `rising` and `decreasing` into one function with, uhh 12:29 < bridge> ```haskell 12:29 < bridge> monotonic = any . (traverse (rising .) $ map map [id, negate]) 12:29 < bridge> ``` 12:29 < bridge> (written on my phone so might have errors but you probably get the idea. `traverse` and `sequence` can be really cool. Also lenses (e.g. `under`) but I haven't fully learned those yet either.) 12:29 < bridge> 12:29 < bridge> Similarly `liftM2 (&&) monotonic smooth` could be turned into `all . (sequence [monotonic, smooth])` 12:29 < bridge> The advantage being that you can very quickly add new conditions or have a dynamic number of them. 12:29 < bridge> bleh the reply got lost 12:29 < bridge> a 12:33 < bridge> or are called @.freezy_ ... 12:35 < bridge> thamks, `map map` is exactly the kind of fun thing that I wouldn't think of since I'm still too imperative-brained 12:36 < bridge> 12:36 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1313106393187880961/image.png?ex=674eed20&is=674d9ba0&hm=a6eacfe6697bbfa9a885854b244e4cc08ae69cacc08901db99b473b523eff2e3& 12:41 < bridge> :kek: 12:50 < bridge> <♂S1mple♂> was tele menu fixed in last update? 12:50 < bridge> <♂S1mple♂> i'm not really familiar with github and can't tell 12:51 < bridge> and wow, `traverse` and `sequence` are not trivial at all to my tired brain 12:51 < bridge> sequence is pretty simple, it's just `[m a] -> m [a]` 12:52 < bridge> so with the reader monad it'd be `[a -> b] -> a -> [b]` 12:52 < bridge> and traverse is just sequence but with a map first 12:52 < bridge> > Remove self from spectator menu unless in demo 12:52 < bridge> 12:52 < bridge> Lol wasn't this intentionally added at some point? 12:52 < bridge> in early clients u couldnt do that either 12:53 < bridge> `traverse f l = sequence (map f l)` 12:53 < bridge> Being able to sit while still having your camera follow your tee is nice imo 12:54 < bridge> thanks for this 13:00 < bridge> Can't find a general `m1 m2 a -> m2 m1 a`, is this something that just doesn't work or is it something rarely needed? 13:04 < bridge> Can't find a general `m1 (m2 a) -> m2 (m1 a)`, is this something that just doesn't work or is it something rarely needed? 13:04 < bridge> I've yet to gain an intuition for what is generalizable and what is not 13:05 < bridge> So my rule of thumb so far has been that if I can think of it it's probably generalizable 13:05 < bridge> I don't think that works in general (e.g. then you'd also have a `(a -> [b]) -> [a -> b]` and it's not clear how that should be defined). The list in `sequence` generalized to something traversable (since you need to join all the `m a` in some order), not any monad 13:05 < bridge> but that does mean that you can `sequence` along, say, a tree, and not just a list 13:06 < bridge> I don't think that works in general (e.g. then you'd also have a `(a -> [b]) -> [a -> b]` and it's not clear how that should be defined). The list in `sequence` generalizeds to something traversable (since you need to join all the `m a` in some order), not any monad 13:06 < bridge> I don't think that works in general (e.g. then you'd also have a `(a -> [b]) -> [a -> b]` and it's not clear how that should be defined). The list in `sequence` generalizes to something traversable (since you need to join all the `m a` in some order), not any monad 13:06 < bridge> Yeah I guess a lot of things are traversable 13:08 < bridge> Or you could say that Nothing is traversable 😉 13:13 < bridge> I think it was mostly there for when u used /spec 13:13 < bridge> 13:13 < bridge> To know where you are 13:13 < bridge> Bcs unspeccing can kill a team 😄 13:14 < bridge> spec as a game mechanic is just wild to me 13:15 < bridge> in gores u often need it, bcs the platforms are too small 13:17 < bridge> Any notable reason to break it? Our extension mechanisms are all backwards compatible by default. New netmsgs, new netobjs are all possible without breaking anything 13:17 < bridge> yeah, after playing a bit more gores recently I've seriously considered actually binding spec 13:17 < bridge> I really should just rebind since there's no downside 13:18 < bridge> I'm really involved with DDNet development (yet?) but it seems to be causing Jupstar distress so I assume there are some reasons 13:18 < bridge> I'm not really involved with DDNet development (yet?) but it seems to be causing Jupstar distress so I assume there are some reasons 13:18 < bridge> This is false from what I can see. The popular degenerate clients are all up to date 13:21 < bridge> I'm not sure if we are allowed to introduce new player flag 13:21 < bridge> but to fix any target pos related issue like #8810 i couldn't think of another way 13:21 < bridge> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8810 13:21 < bridge> bro mods are using this 13:21 < bridge> last time this was suggested it was brought up that it can't be fixed 13:22 < bridge> thought so 13:22 < bridge> wrong reply? 13:22 < bridge> ? 13:22 < bridge> ah nvm 13:22 < bridge> it's just the rendering 13:22 < bridge> oh i thought you are talking about playerflag 13:22 < bridge> ignore me 13:23 < bridge> new playerflag tho 13:23 < bridge> kinda crazy 13:24 < bridge> i don't expect that to merge tbh, too many things could break 13:24 < bridge> well by things, i mean mods probably 13:24 < bridge> shouldn't the server use the client verison to detect the feature, not by sending it to the server for one tick 13:25 < bridge> > I can change the compatibility detection to a version based one if desired, but I feel this way is more concrete. 13:25 < bridge> It's not easy to use. 13:25 < bridge> It's hard to test old clients. 13:25 < bridge> It's bloat. 13:25 < bridge> 13:25 < bridge> 13:25 < bridge> The better question is, why should old clients matter? 13:25 < bridge> I would say there's no reason to not use the version check 13:25 < bridge> it's the proper method 13:25 < bridge> if robyt3 told me to i'll do it 13:25 < bridge> ok 13:25 < bridge> There is some burden to making features work with old clients sometimes, but if it doesn't work we do just version gate stuff sometimes. It's not like we just don't allow anything that doesn't work on every single version. We just don't want people breaking stuff that already works for the lulz 13:26 < bridge> we removed self spectating? 13:26 < bridge> i could also just not send that first tick and it wouldn't really break anything other than it would still flash the first time you spec 13:26 < bridge> isn't that a regular feature? 13:26 < bridge> just use `spectate ` 13:26 < bridge> As I remember it wasn't removed, just not in the menu anymore 13:26 < bridge> :/ 13:26 < bridge> it's useful tho 13:26 < bridge> yeah this is a bit annoying 13:27 < bridge> you don't get prediction when spectating yourself everyone is smooth 13:27 < bridge> i see 13:28 < bridge> I use it all the time when I'm the one being dragged through a freeze part and I don't need to do anything 13:28 < bridge> Well you *can* `bind x toggle cl_predict 0 1` or whatever I don't rember if that's exactly right 13:28 < bridge> I just use it to sit :P 13:28 < bridge> I don't want another bind .-. 13:29 < bridge> i'll add a config maybe 13:29 < bridge> what's the downside to letting you spectate yourself in the menu 13:29 < bridge> it just makes sense to me 13:29 < bridge> it comes from player keep asking me why they cant move camera when pausing 13:29 < bridge> your own tee is not special 13:30 < bridge> hmm 13:30 < bridge> For all 3 you could have just broken all old clients, didn't have to break all teeworlds compatibility along with it 13:30 < bridge> maybe i'll do a visual effect instead 13:31 < bridge> Yeah but, you downplay what my ultimate goal is in this case. 13:31 < bridge> 13:31 < bridge> I want server provided client side physics prediction. 13:31 < bridge> But yes, there is lot of headroom to improve the current version too 13:32 < bridge> Hmm? Is this about using the same code for prediction as for the server, like any reasonable person would want it to work? 13:32 < bridge> I want a united community so this game can live for another decade 13:32 < bridge> I think the main reason to allow old clients is to support platforms that do not get builds anymore 13:32 < bridge> yes, and the server can also provide WASM modules to customize it even further 13:33 < bridge> Yeah but which platform should that be, win xp? 13:33 < bridge> Ooh wacky mods server side? Sounds potentially great, potentially horrid 13:33 < bridge> then i'd say that is a user problem, not our 13:33 < bridge> win 7 also? 13:33 < bridge> all win7 users can upgrade to win10 13:33 < bridge> "to play the game you must first uninstall your os" 13:33 < bridge> i looked into it, wouldnt call it `wacky mods` at all! 13:34 < bridge> yeah sry, but win7 is dead even by microsoft 13:34 < bridge> we don't have to support smth that is officially dead 13:34 < bridge> win7 SHOULD upgrade, same with win 8.1 - why are we properly providing an application for an unsafe os :o 13:34 < bridge> You mean to tell me people *wouldn't* make wacky mods with it? I'd be disappointed if they don't 13:34 < bridge> at some point this is religious 13:34 < bridge> so we will drop win10 support in october 2025? 13:34 < bridge> i'll be coding the old zombies mod in it :greenthing: 13:35 < bridge> ok here's where we disagree 13:35 < bridge> I want my Windows 98 compatibility 13:35 < bridge> If it's end of life, we do yes. But I assume that is just end of standard support? 13:35 < bridge> ill do a revert pr tomorrow 13:35 < bridge> the issue you brought up is valid 13:36 < bridge> spectating yourself is confusing 13:36 < bridge> I don't have a good solution 13:36 < bridge> I don't have a good solution rn 13:36 < bridge> i can add hint when you spectating yourself. but that might be more obnoxious than a bind 13:36 < bridge> idk 13:36 < bridge> where even is the pr that added self spectate 13:36 < bridge> cant find it xd 13:37 < bridge> no such thing. its a by product of pause 13:37 < bridge> i really thought it's been there since spectator menu launched 13:37 < bridge> you never spectate and have a tee in teeworlds 13:38 < bridge> ah then we just never excluded it within /pause 13:38 < bridge> i see 13:38 < bridge> I get not providing builds for old systems, but have there been changes to the game that make it impossible to build for those systems? 13:38 < bridge> this bug is also a by product of pause 13:38 < bridge> I think we dropped very old OGL versions? 13:38 < bridge> dependencie updates, other than that the game runs on my toaster 13:39 < bridge> and even then i'm fairly sure you could hack your way to still building it 13:39 < bridge> there is still a video in here somewhere of furo getting latest master running on windows XP :kekw: 13:41 < bridge> ah true, back then /pause were not actual spectator 13:41 < bridge> well it was kinda weird state 13:42 < bridge> no 13:42 < bridge> ok 13:42 < bridge> I'm just thinking, I'm sure there are insane people glad to try building the game for the Wii or whatever, so as long as it *runs* we good imo 13:42 < bridge> there is a person having ddnet run on his nintendo DS 13:42 < bridge> if it can still build on windows xp then actually I support dropping old versions 13:44 < bridge> if it can still build for windows xp then actually I support dropping old versions 13:45 < bridge> We don't need proper automated builds, as long as you can download that 9 months old version that some nerd built for sport 13:45 < bridge> if you wanna play on WinXP you deserve to go through that 13:46 < bridge> I mean if we had once a year builds for win xp that would be enough to drop clients >2y/o 13:47 < bridge> Lol what u talking about with winxp xD 13:47 < bridge> using internet on winxp is suicidal 13:47 < bridge> that's true tbh 13:48 < bridge> but I like that the game can be played on the platforms that it released on 13:48 < bridge> that's my only reason 13:48 < bridge> ok guys dont rant to hard i want to read it later but i need to go shopping :owo: 13:49 < bridge>