05:02 < bridge_> <totar> since when are hook teleporters predicted?
05:04 < bridge_> <totar> like actually how is this possible lol I thought these aren't predicted
06:25 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @Pathos look tw chat
06:25 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @pathos
08:05 < bridge_> <chillerdragon> Does someone have access to ddnet persian client for Linux? I wanna do some gaming on their servers but their website does not load for me
08:55 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> morning ddrace enjoyers and others
08:59 < bridge_> <gojegreen> download link is available on their discord server.
09:04 < bridge_> <Ewan> gm
09:04 < bridge_> <Ewan> and really gn
09:22 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @gojegreen could you send that download link please? :) 
09:35 < bridge_> <gojegreen> Check irc.
09:40 < bridge_> <learath2> You would download a binary closed source client?
10:24 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> I would download anything :D
10:25 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> I would probably not run it on my main machine tho but in a sandboxed environment.
10:29 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> But yes I totally might run a binary closed source client even on my main system @learath2 If I think its legit. Its basically the same as running something you compiled from source but did not read and understand every line of code in it.
10:30 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> How can the quality of an image be so bad in a book :pepeW:
10:30 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1281894256369340446/IMG_20240907_112809.jpg?ex=66dd608f&is=66dc0f0f&hm=fd780ac339c52b0517f6bb19e1d23d30b8a7fed2928347bf297d1c61a8a2764a&
10:30 < bridge_> <learath2> Handdrawn in the 90s
10:30 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> Would you run ddnet persian client on your machine lerato?
10:31 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> omg dont afk on me @learath2 
10:32 < bridge_> <learath2> Nope. I only run binaries from sources I trust one way or another
10:33 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> would you run t-client?
10:33 < bridge_> <learath2> Isn't t-client open source? I'd rather compile my own
10:33 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> it is
10:33 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> if compiled on your own would you run it?
10:34 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> https://github.com/sjrc6/TaterClient-ddnet
10:35 < bridge_> <learath2> Sure
10:35 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> would you read the code before?
10:35 < bridge_> <learath2> I'd take a glance at the diff from ddnet
10:35 < bridge_> <learath2> Though, no I wouldn't read all of it
10:35 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> and thats what makes you feel safe?
10:36 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> or is it the fact that you like tater as a person and have something against persians?
10:36 < bridge_> <learath2> What makes me feel safe is that the source is out in the open, so there are many more eyes on it
10:36 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> I see
10:36 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> I act similiar tbh. But actually I think its a bit of a flawed mindeset
10:37 < bridge_> <learath2> Way to make it personal, lol
10:37 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> That might work for ddnet where it is known that many contributors look at pullrequests. But something small like tater client which is basically developed by one person is not really audited.
10:38 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> I would assume not a single person audited tater client for security concerns.
10:38 < bridge_> <learath2> It is only slightly flawed. The intricate ssh backdoor was snuck in secretly in front of everyones eyes, but if ssh was closed source it may have never been spotted ever and that same dude might still be injecting backdoors to this day
10:38 < bridge_> <01000111g> u can literally see the diffs to main repo
10:38 < bridge_> <learath2> It is only slightly flawed. The intricate ssh backdoor was snuck in secretly in front of everyones eyes, but if xz was closed source it may have never been spotted ever and that same dude might still be injecting backdoors to this day
10:39 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> technically you can but nobody reads them if they get to big. Everyone just says "someone else probably checked it" @01000111g 
10:39 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> just read a few thousands loc of diff
10:39 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> and compile that in your noodle
10:39 < bridge_> <learath2> Also, there are reasons I trust some binary blobs more than others
10:39 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> its the persians!
10:40 < bridge_> <01000111g> ah gg
10:40 < bridge_> <learath2> Nvidia is a huge corporation, if people find a secret backdoor in there their reputation is ruined
10:40 < bridge_> <01000111g> why do you even need their client to connect?
10:40 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> idk maybe antibot @01000111g 
10:41 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @01000111g go send download link
10:41 < bridge_> <learath2> It's a very effective anticheat
10:41 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @learath2 ppl still use windows
10:41 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> didn't persian people who had access to database inserted fake records? xd
10:41 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> i wouldn't trust them 😬
10:41 < bridge_> <learath2> Whenever I use windows I just hope that I'm not important enough for the NSA to use their secret zero days
10:42 < bridge_> <learath2> Not the same group of people to be fair
10:42 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> yes but i mean that windows is known spyware and people don't care. So companies dont have to worry too much about their reputation.
10:42 < bridge_> <01000111g> https://cdn.ddper.ir/downloads/DDPER-v7.0-linux.zip
10:42 < bridge_> <01000111g> 
10:42 < bridge_> <01000111g> gl hf with this sus thing
10:42 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> thanks @01000111g 
10:42 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> wish me luck
10:43 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> wait i wrote tw client in assembly ..
10:43 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> every binary is open source to me now
10:43 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> :clueless:
10:43 < bridge_> <ryozuki> xd
10:44 < bridge_> <learath2> That is true. Maybe I should run more sus binaries
10:44 < bridge_> <totar> I'm sorta surprised ddper is allowed on the masterserver tbh
10:44 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> look the sus malware client dev woke up
10:44 < bridge_> <learath2> Weren't they removed? I remember heinrich working on it
10:44 < bridge_> <totar> oh idk
10:44 < bridge_> <totar> I have not checked lol
10:45 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @totar did you know lerato hates persians?
10:45 < bridge_> <learath2> ??? Slander
10:46 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> heinrich is afk i can do huge trolling now
10:46 < bridge_> <learath2> I'm sueing you rn
10:46 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> i got lawyer jopsti
10:46 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> u already lost
10:46 < bridge_> <learath2> He can argue how 86000 fps is better than 85750 fps
10:46 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @totar I scrolled through the ENTIRE diff https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/compare/master...sjrc6:TaterClient-ddnet:master and I approve
10:47 < bridge_> <totar> now I will put chiller dragon approves stamp on repo and launch menu
10:47 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> t-client at commit 2473ef86519e9b5a7548e2b7626178c74c2e0fbc is now officialy safety approved by ZillyHuhn Conglomerate Incorporated
10:48 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> I have to admit its more legit than chillerbot-ux which does ip grabbing and user tracking
10:48 < bridge_> <totar> ???
10:49 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> ?
10:49 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> poggies the persian client ships with symbols
10:49 < bridge_> <totar> lmao
10:50 < bridge_> <totar> reminds me of that 1 time valve accidently shipped CSGO with symbols and it caused a huge increase in cheats
10:51 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> `strings DDPER` looks quite innocent
10:51 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> im tempted to yolo it xd
11:01 < bridge_> <zhn> i trust tater myself, i wouldn't use anything like cactus client or s client though, theyre closed source
11:02 < bridge_> <zhn> is there any benefit for tater to include malware batteries in
11:03 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> cactus is sus to me personally because they ripped off all chillerbot-ux features without credit -.-
11:03 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> to steal all ddnet coins from others
11:03 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> to steal all ddcoins from others
11:04 < bridge_> <zhn> same here
11:05 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @zhn yes there is lots of benefits of distrubting malicious software. He could scan for credentials such as crypto keys/discord tokens/credit card info/chatgpt tokens etc to gain money
11:05 < bridge_> <zhn> ye and get kicked out from community immediately
11:05 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> or he could obtain power with a bot net of tw clients that could be used for ddos or for vote bots in game
11:05 < bridge_> <zhn> gg 1 time money grab
11:05 < bridge_> <zhn> for year of development
11:05 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> ye its exit scame unless its sneaky
11:05 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> @learath2 is it ok to build symbol table after parser made ast?
11:06 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> mine btc can be sneaky for example @zhn 
11:06 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> but it also doesnt do too much harm to users
11:06 < bridge_> <totar> you could post malware.exe on a website but if you say it has a TW bot then 100s of people will run it away even if there's not even an actual client in it
11:06 < bridge_> <totar> you could post malware.exe on a website but if you say it has a TW bot then 100s of people will run it anyway even if there's not even an actual client in it
11:07 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> yea closed source bots are for sure more risky than open source legit clients
11:08 < bridge_> <totar> $1.00/day if you ship this with steam version :kek:
11:08 < bridge_> <DDNet> This command was not found.
11:08 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> stonks
11:09 < bridge_> <totar> BTC mining is probably less profitable than begging people to give you money
11:10 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> Can you give me some money?
11:10 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> wait but all these reasons also apply to the evil persian client right?
11:10 < bridge_> <totar> maybe if you ask a billion more times
11:10 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> also tater can just rebrand him self with a new fake nick
11:12 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ i can give you money! I am persian prince!!!! But I am stuck in uganda jail I need steam giftcard to get out!!!! THEN I MAKE YOU BILLION DOLLAR
11:13 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> sounds like a fair deal
11:15 < bridge_> <learath2> Well ofc, he can collect discord tokens and sell them
11:16 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> it might get detected before a substential amount of money is gained
11:16 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> but yes then he just comes with the new name legitgamer69 and the l-client
11:16 < bridge_> <learath2> Well ofc, you can scan through the ast in a second pass to build your symbol table
11:20 < bridge_> <zhn> its easy to discover, no?
11:21 < bridge_> <zhn> i mean i do read every pr popping on ddnet gh just to check if its good feature and how its implemented
11:21 < bridge_> <learath2> After seeing how creative the xz backdoor was I'm not so sure
11:21 < bridge_> <zhn> i bet theres someone like me but on taters master
11:21 < bridge_> <learath2> With sufficient creativity you can sneak in things piece by piece
11:22 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @zhn i really dont think there is someone like that on taters master
11:22 < bridge_> <tactic_a> What exactly did you expect?
11:23 < bridge_> <learath2> Sneak your payload into the menu screen background map
11:23 < bridge_> <learath2> `string STEALDISCORDTOKEN.PY` is what he was expecting probably
11:23 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @tactic_a i expected some suspicious strings like cnc http endpoints or evil method names etc
11:24 < bridge_> <zhn> didnt u just read whole diff nobo
11:24 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @learath2 you can also add a auto updater its free malware delivery system and the users would think its epic feature. Thats how ddnet ships most of its targeted backdoors right?
11:24 < bridge_> <tactic_a> It's funny, sometimes I read the chats here and see comments about the DDPER server when none of them have even downloaded the client yet.
11:25 < bridge_> <zhn> there http endpoints, its account based client
11:25 < bridge_> <zhn> there are*
11:25 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> whats funny @tactic_a 
11:25 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> are you persian client defender @tactic_a ?
11:25 < bridge_> <zhn> chillerdragon literally debugging it rn
11:25 < bridge_> <learath2> I did some static analysis on an old ddper client and it appeared safe to me by eye. But spotting things in assembly is pretty hard
11:26 < bridge_> <zhn> he got debug symbols of ddper client and just going thru it
11:27 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> I am not sure if I understood your "It's funny" correctly but I read some subtone @tactic_a almost like you are implying that we are saying ddper is malware without having tried it or am i misinterpreting?
11:27 < bridge_> <zhn> yeah literally
11:27 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> okay then i beg to disagree
11:27 < bridge_> <learath2> To be fair no one is saying it is malware
11:28 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> I have downloaded the client and nobody here claimed that ddnet persian client is malware to my knowledge
11:28 < bridge_> <zhn> zillyhuhn is trying to prove or disprove it
11:28 < bridge_> <learath2> We were having a larger discussion about closed source binary releases in general
11:28 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> only lerato has something against persians in general
11:28 < bridge_> <zhn> stop zillying
11:28 < bridge_> <learath2> HEY stop slandering slanderer
11:28 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> :p 
11:29 < bridge_> <learath2> People will actually think you are serious then I'll get cancelled
11:29 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @tactic_a are you associated with the project?
11:29 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> axaxaxax @learath2 
11:29 < bridge_> <fokkonaut> Racist
11:29 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> already established
11:29 < bridge_> <learath2> <a:FrierenDies:1198335807686193182>
11:29 < bridge_> <zhn> ddRacist
11:29 < bridge_> <zhn> heyho fokko
11:30 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> lmao ddracist
11:30 < bridge_> <fokkonaut> https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-wow-awesome-impressed-gif-9421746
11:30 < bridge_> <fokkonaut> Hey
11:30 < bridge_> <zhn> i thought its by design
11:31 < bridge_> <zhn> like why do u need change map if its still the same
11:31 < bridge_> <zhn> go push ur buttons and type `reload`
11:36 < bridge_> <robyt3> Not sure, something definitely felt inconsistent in the behavior. If you execute a config file that contains the same `sv_map` value, should the map be reloaded? I think `change_map` in vanilla also ends the rounds and shows the scoreboard, whereas it works like changing `sv_map` on ddnet servers
11:40 < bridge_> <gojegreen> In fact, the client does not have any additional items than other clients and ddnet, in fact, the only reason that the client is not open source is only because of the special ban system that they use and also to prevent bots from entering the servers, no virus or Malware and... have not existed and will not exist, it is not logical for them to destroy their credibility after having a server for so many years. Off topic: I think the image of Ira
11:41 < bridge_> <zhn> does it? i don't even remember using change_map on 05/06 vanilla
11:42 < bridge_> <zhn> and sv_map always worked like that
11:43 < bridge_> <robyt3> You mean always reloading? Maybe it was (unintentionally) changed at some point
11:43 < bridge_> <robyt3> I think it shows the scoreboard for a few seconds and then changes the map, but ddnet removed most of the round-related code I guess
11:44 < bridge_> <zhn> ```cpp
11:44 < bridge_> <zhn> m_MapReload = str_comp(Config()->m_SvMap, m_aCurrentMap) != 0;
11:44 < bridge_> <zhn> ```
11:44 < bridge_> <zhn> found this on 07 codebase
11:45 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> 07 mentioned
11:45 < bridge_> <zhn> its the only thing it does on 07 when `change_map` is triggered
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> That's ddnet's code though
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> ```cpp
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> void CGameContext::ConChangeMap(IConsole::IResult *pResult, void *pUserData)
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> {
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3>     CGameContext *pSelf = (CGameContext *)pUserData;
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3>     pSelf->m_pController->ChangeMap(pResult->NumArguments() ? pResult->GetString(0) : "");
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> }
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> 
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> void IGameController::ChangeMap(const char *pToMap)
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> {
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3>     str_copy(m_aMapWish, pToMap, sizeof(m_aMapWish));
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> 
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3>     m_MatchCount = m_GameInfo.m_MatchNum-1;
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3>     SetGameState(IGS_GAME_RUNNING);
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3>     EndMatch();
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> }
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> ```
11:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> This is 0.7
11:51 < bridge_> <zhn> xd, never use github search
11:51 < bridge_> <zhn> btw no its 07 code too
11:51 < bridge_> <zhn> but from server.cpp
11:52 < bridge_> <robyt3> I searched locally, GitHub search doesn't works very well
11:52 < bridge_> <robyt3> I searched locally, GitHub search doesn't work very well
11:55 < bridge_> <zhn> ye, i addressed this to myself
11:57 < bridge_> <robyt3> Here's the beta version for all arches (extract the first file with 7zip).
11:57 < bridge_> <robyt3> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1265248906925707374/DDNet-e261ab1-beta.7z.002?ex=66dcce9e&is=66db7d1e&hm=2756d9cba3ac5b7f62058b7e26a970311d6f0a53293b9c7e32b9483538b32a29&
11:57 < bridge_> <robyt3> Here's the beta version for all arches (extract the first file with 7zip).
12:45 < bridge_> <ryozuki> TIL u can avoid the ABA problem using quadword compare and swaps
12:46 < bridge_> <ryozuki> > A simple CAS operation may not be
12:46 < bridge_> <ryozuki> > sufficient to guard against what is commonly referred to as the ABA problem in such algorithms that
12:46 < bridge_> <ryozuki> > manipulate pointer variables. To avoid the ABA problem, the algorithms associate a reference counter
12:46 < bridge_> <ryozuki> > with the pointer variable and perform updates using a quadword compare and swap (of both the
12:46 < bridge_> <ryozuki> > pointer and the counter). The double and quadword CAS instructions support implementation of
12:46 < bridge_> <ryozuki> > algorithms for ABA problem avoidance.
12:46 < bridge_> <ryozuki> from the risc docs
13:54 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> There has to be a simple way to get this to run on my machine right?
13:54 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1725710007.png
13:54 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> I have glew 2.2 from apt but the binary wants 2.1
13:55 < bridge_> <meloƞ> `apt-cache search glew`
13:55 < bridge_> <meloƞ> 
13:55 < bridge_> <meloƞ> maybe you can simply downgrade to 2.1 (e.g `sudo apt install --reinstall libglew2.1`) or smth like that
13:57 < bridge_> <meloƞ> maybe you want to use aptitude tho because it checks if anything is dependent on glew2.2
14:21 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> meh i got no glew2.1 in cache so i can also not reinstall it
14:25 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> Well this worked but not sure how nice it is xd
14:25 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> ``wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glew/libglew2.1_2.1.0-4+b1_amd64.deb``
14:26 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> ``dpkg -i libglew2.1_2.1.0-4+b1_amd64.deb``
14:29 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> oh gosh so many peer dependencies i might as well edit apt/sources and downgrade my debian to 11
15:01 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> chiller
15:01 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> did 0.7 touch font rendering?
15:01 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> or any graphics component
15:04 < bridge_> <robyt3> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/compare/18.4...18.5
15:05 < bridge_> <robyt3> The only change in the graphics backends is the removal of the unused `Cmd_Texture_Update`
15:16 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> nah @Jupstar ✪ 
15:17 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> jopsti vulkan is so heavy -.-
15:18 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> i bought cheapest vps on digitalocean and running ``cmake ..`` is full denial of service for a few minutes on the step ``-- Building vulkan shaders``
15:25 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> building rust version of ddnet takes 30 minutes on my vps xD
15:25 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> and you cry about few mins
15:33 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> it does take a lot of time to build ddnet yes but at least it does not take up 100% cpu and render the entire vps unusable
15:33 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> ah you mean bcs it uses parallel commands
15:33 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> maybe you can tell cmake to be more gentle instead of just spamming all cmds at once
15:34 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> imo it should be a bit more chill by default
15:35 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> meh 400mb ram cant run a ddnet client?
15:35 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> contribute to cmake
15:36 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> i don't like if ddnet adds workarounds for everything
15:36 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> should be enough
15:36 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> well except if u load textures
15:36 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> you should downscale all to 1x1
15:36 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> ah wait
15:36 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> better use 32x32
15:36 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> how?
15:37 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> am i bash god, or are you?
15:37 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> you mean go to data dir and edit stuff like skins and mapres?
15:37 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> yes
15:37 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> can i not just delete them
15:37 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> I guess our client even supports that
15:37 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> But if not, don't make a pr
15:38 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> im trying to launch ddper on my secure sanboxed vps
15:38 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> k
15:39 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> but pls dont contribute ddper bridge
15:39 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> thanks
15:39 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> meh deleting the data folder segfaults
15:39 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ cant make any promises
15:39 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> gotta support those persian protocols
15:40 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> i'd laugh now if i wouldn't know you could be serious about it
15:40 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> xd
15:54 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> jopsti sos ddpersian client segfaults 
15:54 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1725717164.png
15:54 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> install validation layers & start with "dbg_gfx 4"
15:54 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> is your VPS using a recent OS?
15:54 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> aaaa
15:54 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> im in
15:54 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> hacker
15:54 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> ez gfx_backend OpenGL
15:54 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> illegal
15:54 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> no i use debian 11 because ddper does not run on debian 12 xd
15:55 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> yeah i think lavapipe in debian11 was broken for me too
15:55 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> is ``ssh -X`` xrdp even a secure sanbox?
15:55 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> i got ddper client gui on my main desktop now xd
15:55 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1725717345.png
15:56 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> hackerboi
15:56 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> compile to WASM, then u safe af
15:56 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> run in browser
15:57 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> ``2024-09-07 13:57:22 I chatresp: No such command: connect.``
15:57 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> persian moment
16:05 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> oh cmn the fakin servers dont answer me
16:06 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @tactic_a help i cant connect
16:13 < bridge_> <meloƞ> you're still exposing your entire environment to the application through this
16:14 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> opsi
16:15 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> really? @meloƞ i mean it loads all the ddnet configs etc from the vps not from my machine
16:15 < bridge_> <meloƞ> you're running the client on your vps like a normal application - so instead of running it on your main machine you're running it in your vps, so you "theoretically" still expose your vps to the client in one way or another
16:17 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> oh yes the vps is fully exposed but not my laptop right?
16:17 < bridge_> <meloƞ> nah
16:17 < bridge_> <meloƞ> ssh is secure
16:17 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> well i mean i used ``ssh -X`` and xrdp so it spawned a gui on my laptop
16:17 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> idk what black magic that was
16:17 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> the vps was a fresh server only to launch the client. I burned some digitalocean coins for that stunt.
16:17 < bridge_> <meloƞ> remote desktop protocol
16:17 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> Total disappointment that the servers did not respond
16:17 < bridge_> <meloƞ> :feelsbadman:
16:18 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> yo @meloƞ go try on windows
16:18 < bridge_> <meloƞ> absolutely fuckingn ot
16:18 < bridge_> <meloƞ> absolutely fucking not
16:18 < bridge_> <meloƞ> :kekw:
16:18 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> pusi
16:18 < bridge_> <meloƞ> ????
16:18 < bridge_> <meloƞ> dual boot windows
16:18 < bridge_> <meloƞ> :gigachad:
16:19 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> me?
16:19 < bridge_> <reitw> dont play on it if it requires a specific client
16:19 < bridge_> <meloƞ> virtualize it
16:19 < bridge_> <reitw> problem fixed
16:19 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> @meloƞ hmm how hard is that?
16:19 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> running a windows vm on debian
16:19 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> do i need to buy windows?
16:19 < bridge_> <meloƞ> takes like 3 minutes
16:19 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> woah nice
16:19 < bridge_> <reitw> it's as easy as installing debian on windows with virtualbox
16:19 < bridge_> <meloƞ> + the downloading of the .iso
16:20 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> does windows even leak the iso?
16:20 < bridge_> <meloƞ> yes
16:20 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> so virtualbox u say?
16:20 < bridge_> <meloƞ> VMware, virtualbox, kvm
16:20 < bridge_> <meloƞ> you name it
16:20 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> which should i use xd
16:20 < bridge_> <reitw> whichever u want
16:20 < bridge_> <reitw> are u on mac
16:20 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> debian
16:21 < bridge_> <reitw> do u have secure boot
16:21 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> dont think s
16:21 < bridge_> <meloƞ> use virtualbox
16:21 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> k
16:21 < bridge_> <reitw> cuz virtualbox sux with secure boot, I mean u'll have to sign the modules at each boot
16:21 < bridge_> <reitw> also vmware since they got bought by Broadcom sux, u need to search the installers on google
16:21 < bridge_> <reitw> also vmware, since they got bought by Broadcom, sux, u need to search the installers on google
16:22 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> virtualbox is propiratary <:justatest:572499997178986510>
16:22 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> vmware too
16:22 < bridge_> <reitw> it's opensource
16:22 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1725718965.png
16:23 < bridge_> <meloƞ> then use kvm/qemu
16:23 < bridge_> <meloƞ> :reeeeeee:
16:23 < bridge_> <meloƞ> https://www.qemu.org/
16:23 < bridge_> <reitw> where did u find that, what's the link
16:23 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> omagwd there is GNOME BOXES
16:23 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox
16:24 < bridge_> <reitw> bro that's written "extra"
16:24 < bridge_> <reitw> u don't even need it bru
16:26 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> ok im stoopid xd
16:54 < bridge_> <sotr1xx> че
16:55 < bridge_> <sotr1xx> ой, тоесть
16:55 < bridge_> <sotr1xx> what
16:55 < bridge_> <sotr1xx> @robyt3 че тип стал админ и крутой?
16:56 < bridge_> <sotr1xx> jq
16:56 < bridge_> <sotr1xx> ой
16:56 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> @gerdoe can you time him out 😬?
16:56 < bridge_> <sotr1xx> не нада
17:06 < bridge_> <zakharkosh> hi I have added an entry in Menus_start and Menus_settings, but when I click on the button I created, it does not go to that section. What should I tell it to go to Settings from the start menu when the button is clicked?
17:07 < bridge_> <zakharkosh> Enter the page I made through this
17:07 < bridge_> <zakharkosh> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1281994163260358736/screenshot_2024-09-07_18-36-37.png?ex=66ddbd9a&is=66dc6c1a&hm=1acff4df22f880809e44f5627c30b9bf37970e4610d0a5aae7661fe32953fec5&
17:30 < bridge_> <kebscs> struggling with git 😂
17:55 < bridge_> <meloƞ> :kek: need help ?
18:00 < bridge_> <kebscs> solved
18:00 < bridge_> <kebscs> i had to revert fork and it closed the pr
18:06 < bridge_> <zhn> i wuznt here
18:06 < bridge_> <zhn> what happened
18:27 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> Today I learned another c shenanigan.
18:27 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> 
18:27 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> If you memcpy where src == dst. it's not UB
18:27 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> but if src and dst overlap it is
18:29 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> Interestingly it's hard to find evidence for that. but asan & ubsan decided so
18:29 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> @learath2 where in the spec can you explain this?
18:33 < bridge_> <learath2> Mh, it should be completely insane. `s1` and `s2` are restrict. Maybe ubsan is wrong?
18:34 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> That could be the reason too yeah, but would be surprising
18:34 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1282016051487313972/image.png?ex=66ddd1fd&is=66dc807d&hm=0bce6a0a130daee87b3f95fb640c6431643275cc8bfdc30d5495395999a5b768&
18:34 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> as if they dont have tests for that
18:34 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> yes, but i checked it with asan & ubsan
18:34 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> so maybe there is a hidden extra detail somewhere on page 55434324 where it says in font size 1 that if they are equal it's fine
18:35 < bridge_> <learath2> They actually might have forgor that specific case since it's an edge case?
18:35 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> I could imagine past me tested the code exactly like that
18:35 < bridge_> <learath2> Have you enabled all warnings?
18:35 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> Yes and if i only add 1 byte difference to it, it also crashes
18:37 < bridge_> <learath2> Well idk any exception, and restrict clearly disallows those referring to the same object in anyway
18:37 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> tja
18:37 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> I wait for ryo to say it
18:38 < bridge_> <learath2> If you wanna know for certain check in ##c on libera irc
18:38 < bridge_> <learath2> There are some big c wizards there
18:38 < bridge_> <learath2> I learned my C by being berated and insulted on there
18:39 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> Ah perfect
18:39 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> that totally motivates me to install a libera client
18:40 < bridge_> <learath2> Do you actually not have an irc client?
18:40 < bridge_> <learath2> Do you not want to be called a retard?
18:40 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> I really don't have irc
18:40 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> i am huge GUI enjoyer
18:41 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> give me a vulkan enhanced irc with webrtc voice chat using 500MB ram
18:41 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> and i am in
18:41 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> it also has to use electron
18:59 < bridge_> <ryozuki> idk tbh this is more a libc wrapper impl detail is it not?
18:59 < bridge_> <ryozuki> rust equivalent is tthis https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/ptr/fn.copy_nonoverlapping.html
19:00 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> ubsan shouldn't care about the actual implementation for std function IMO.
19:00 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> 
19:00 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> So even if it's not a c thing, ubsan should still detect it
19:00 < bridge_> <chairn> how isn't that UB when they overlap 100% ?
19:00 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> i dunno why ubsan cannot detect it, maybe the memcpy has a check for ptr equally and skips the whole function
19:01 < bridge_> <chairn> or it just copies and given they are equals, it's an idempotent function call
19:02 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> i mean the asan warning is literally called `memcpy-param-overlap`
19:02 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> how can they not add a test for that then
19:02 < bridge_> <chairn> then asan is wrong
19:02 < bridge_> <ryozuki> @jupeyy_keks i guess ubsan is not at rust level <a:Cool:706933917332275252>
19:02 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> possible, but would be just as insane as c allowing it xd
19:03 < bridge_> <ryozuki> the funny thing is the memcpy intrinsic in llvm is a c call
19:03 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> @ryozuki llvm contributor
19:03 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> when fix that bug
19:03 < bridge_> <ryozuki> but there is a memcpy inline intrinsic
19:03 < bridge_> <ryozuki> but it only works with stack allocated arguments iirc
19:03 < bridge_> <ryozuki> @jupeyy_keks i only contributed to MLIR project in llvm
19:04 < bridge_> <ryozuki> tbh i dont care about ubsan or asan or tsan
19:04 < bridge_> <ryozuki> cuz the fix for that is Rust
19:04 < bridge_> <ryozuki> :gigachad:
19:06 < bridge_> <ryozuki> https://gist.github.com/Const-me/3290266d2a5f51409eb813d39b28007c
19:07 < bridge_> <ryozuki> @jupeyy_keks depends on the size of the buffer
19:07 < bridge_> <ryozuki> it does different routines
19:08 < bridge_> <ryozuki> i think the most efficient is using rep
20:29 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> @learath2 I dided it 🥹 i can use types which are declared after the place where they are used
20:29 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1282044992868712488/image.png?ex=66ddecf1&is=66dc9b71&hm=b3524df0d2fd5dd57b6ff3f2345f0ef96531565a08698e8ba1eb8140b679d5d4&
20:30 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> now there're two functions which go thru ast, first one checks if all symbols exist and second one checks variables types
20:31 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> aaaand when I used `Foo` as type for struct `Foo` stack overflowed :santatrollet:
20:32 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> aaaand when I used `Foo` as type for field lol in struct `Foo` stack overflowed :santatrollet:
20:51 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> it feels so goood
20:51 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1282050608739647579/image.png?ex=66ddf22c&is=66dca0ac&hm=37b2fe363ef71537656fd659388daf28637fdfcf78280819e4ce7e49858cdbeb&
20:51 < bridge_> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1282050609041772584/image.png?ex=66ddf22c&is=66dca0ac&hm=a2891708e3453808ddfb22504c2ebab49d4164c59c33124453eb0a9d51077d0f&
21:01 < bridge_> <ryozuki> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1282053195388157992/RDT_20240907_200113894864526992471819.jpg?ex=66ddf495&is=66dca315&hm=ff45a1a4b44202ca3ffbd7934f8ee0a972d2c67c2a7060ac96ac7a3394bf0a44&
21:01 < bridge_> <ryozuki> @learath2 they used arch in evangelion
21:53 < bridge_> <zhn> is it useful huh
21:56 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> it's useful to know that ubsan & asan are not always right xd
21:57 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> bcs this IS ub
21:59 < bridge_> <robyt3> > AddressSanitizer is not expected to produce false positives. If you see one, look again; most likely it is a true positive!
22:00 < bridge_> <zhn> the most useless ub ever
22:00 < bridge_> <zhn> its still an ub though
22:00 < bridge_> <zhn> just no-op
22:02 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> yeah but that is the question with ub.. is it always noop^^?
22:03 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> but does that mean it is allowed to not produce true positives xdd
22:03 < bridge_> <zhn> ask the compiler :p
22:03 < bridge_> <zhn> they decide what they do with ub
22:03 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> is not generating a true positive also a false positive
22:04 < bridge_> <robyt3> If an error is not reported by asan it would be a false negative
22:04 < bridge_> <robyt3> Which are possible, e.g. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43532316/false-negative-with-address-sanitizer
22:19 < bridge_> <fokkonaut> That seems very obvious to me, shouldn't it?
22:20 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> Today I learned another c shenanigan.
22:20 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> 
22:20 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> If you memcpy where src == dst. it's not UB
22:20 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> but if src and dst overlap it is
22:20 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> 
22:20 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> BUT IT IS WRONG
22:20 < bridge_> <fokkonaut> Depending on *how* it overlaps it might work and might not.
22:20 < bridge_> <fokkonaut> Depending on what memory gets read and written first
22:20 < bridge_> <fokkonaut> But if it's copying from and to the same memory it should always work
22:20 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> theoretically yes, but the post is about that ubsan didnt detect it as ub
22:20 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> which it should
22:21 < bridge_> <fokkonaut> Ahhhhh
22:21 < bridge_> <fokkonaut> Sorry didnt read the whole convo
22:21 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> Today I learned another c shenanigan.
22:21 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> 
22:21 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> If you memcpy where src == dst. it's not UB
22:21 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> but if src and dst overlap it is
22:21 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> 
22:21 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> BUT IT IS WRONG:
23:27 < bridge_> <mr0y010t7> :Nazi_Swastika: