00:10 < bridge> <egyt> No devs, only a translator
01:13 < bridge> <Ewan> rip
01:16 < bridge> <fokkonaut> chillerdragon: wire pls
01:53 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> omw
02:00 < bridge> <mian_ku> wordle update for broadcast
02:00 < bridge> <mian_ku> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267632847926329387/image.png?ex=66a97e96&is=66a82d16&hm=82c5974c030a79ca077c873f4d49ba0e6e2961d7629a5172d933b6ddfc1fa1f5&
02:16 < bridge> <sedonya> gm
02:38 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> ryo and catto i have another feature request for your languages. Pick a style for hex values. Either upper or lower case. So ``0xff`` or ``0xFF`` and then make it a compiler error if its not correct.
03:00 < bridge> <fokkonaut> Why are my nameplates this far up all of sudden?
03:00 < bridge> <fokkonaut> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267648005931012136/image.png?ex=66a98cb4&is=66a83b34&hm=814db543ca8777a88a9c27d4c7a104a638cf3f1b3f46c83d7cbc9af2e8d3dfde&
03:00 < bridge> <fokkonaut> client restart does not help
03:03 < bridge> <fokkonaut> ahhh, cl_show_direction 0
03:04 < bridge> <fokkonaut> i turned that on for a second to test smth
05:21 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> a `qword` should be 8 byte right?
05:21 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> This works fine ``mov qword [generic_buffer_512], 0xff_ff_ff``
05:21 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> This throws a warning?? ``mov qword [generic_buffer_512], 0xff_ff_ff_ff``
05:22 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> actually two warnings ``warning: signed dword immediate exceeds bounds [-w+number-overflow]``
05:22 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> ``warning: dword data exceeds bounds [-w+number-overflow]``
05:22 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> why is he talking about a dword??
05:24 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1722309845.png
05:25 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1722309903.png
05:25 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> interesting if i provide it a 8 byte value it is not complaining
05:25 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> seems like the value was not fat enough hmm
05:26 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1722309960.png
05:26 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> for a dword it does not complain if i only give it one byte <:tee_thinking:478629518358085653>
07:22 < bridge> <milkeeycat> chillerdragon: can you gimme the file
07:47 < bridge> <milkeeycat> there's definitely some reason why compiler moves this value in register first, and only then moves it into stack, let's wait for lerato xd
07:47 < bridge> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267720089159860224/image.png?ex=66a9cfd6&is=66a87e56&hm=7b6491727aae39405d193f5df8364eae19395758969cb03a26ab96223c970572&
08:06 < bridge> <chillerdragon> Why does it move rsp into rbp? Can’t it use rsp directly? Also why zero eax in the end?
08:08 < bridge> <milkeeycat> maybe it's cleanup step
08:08 < bridge> <chillerdragon> Yes looks like it but how is that clean xd
08:09 < bridge> <chillerdragon> Does a c compiler keep the registers at 0? Why? Will it optimize out zero assignments then?
08:10 < bridge> <milkeeycat> oh, it's return value xd
08:10 < bridge> <milkeeycat> from main function
08:11 < bridge> <chillerdragon> Ah fair
08:11 < bridge> <chillerdragon> What about implicit rsp usage
08:12 < bridge> <milkeeycat> hm?
08:13 < bridge> <chillerdragon> Why not remove the push rbp
08:13 < bridge> <chillerdragon> And use rsp in the move
08:13 < bridge> <milkeeycat> it's -O0
08:14 < bridge> <chillerdragon> So it inserts random instructions xd
08:14 < bridge> <chillerdragon> Trol compiler
08:14 < bridge> <milkeeycat> no
08:14 < bridge> <milkeeycat> it sets up stack frame
08:15 < bridge> <chillerdragon> Idk what that is I should probably read up on the basics
08:15 < bridge> <learath2> Look at what it does when you only give it one byte to move. Then it'll be obvious why this is happening
08:16 < bridge> <milkeeycat> here you can see it reserves some bytes for function stack
08:16 < bridge> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267727432996229162/image.png?ex=66a9d6ad&is=66a8852d&hm=059f6b262001da0803f7003ab0337eb3eb435417246493c68e2f7ba3a05c6838&
08:16 < bridge> <milkeeycat> before there wasn't sub because it was a leaf function xd
08:17 < bridge> <chillerdragon> It no longer pops
08:17 < bridge> <chillerdragon> What leave do?
08:17 < bridge> <milkeeycat> and if it's a leaf function it can you 128 bytes red zone something to store local variables 🤓
08:17 < bridge> <milkeeycat> maybe*
08:17 < bridge> <milkeeycat> and if it's a leaf function there's 128 bytes red zone something to store local variables 🤓
08:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> >Releases the stack frame set up by an earlier ENTER instruction. The LEAVE instruction copies the frame pointer (in the EBP register) into the stack pointer register (ESP), which releases the stack space allocated to the stack frame. The old frame pointer (the frame pointer for the calling procedure that was saved by the ENTER instruction) is then popped from the stack into the EBP register, restoring the calling procedure’s stack frame.
08:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> 
08:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> A RET instruction is commonly executed following a LEAVE instruction to return program control to the calling procedure.
08:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> > Releases the stack frame set up by an earlier ENTER instruction. The LEAVE instruction copies the frame pointer (in the EBP register) into the stack pointer register (ESP), which releases the stack space allocated to the stack frame. The old frame pointer (the frame pointer for the calling procedure that was saved by the ENTER instruction) is then popped from the stack into the EBP register, restoring the calling procedure’s stack frame.
08:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> 
08:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> A RET instruction is commonly executed following a LEAVE instruction to return program control to the calling procedure.
08:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> > Releases the stack frame set up by an earlier ENTER instruction. The LEAVE instruction copies the frame pointer (in the EBP register) into the stack pointer register (ESP), which releases the stack space allocated to the stack frame. The old frame pointer (the frame pointer for the calling procedure that was saved by the ENTER instruction) is then popped from the stack into the EBP register, restoring the calling procedure’s stack frame.
08:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> 
08:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> > A RET instruction is commonly executed following a LEAVE instruction to return program control to the calling procedure.
08:21 < bridge> <milkeeycat> not gonna lie, it told me nothing xddd
08:21 < bridge> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267728661537099828/image.png?ex=66a9d7d2&is=66a88652&hm=d2c85e33d8993960b29e411b536682a719d5cc5184c630c231bde4a73dce1bff&
08:23 < bridge> <learath2> Ok now I'm confused too. I assumed it'd generate something else
08:23 < bridge> <milkeeycat> xdd
08:25 < bridge> <reitw> no it's to save the stack pointer
08:26 < bridge> <reitw> you want to keep track of the stack for each calling function whenever you enter a called function
08:26 < bridge> <reitw> so you save where it was before, and it'll get it back when returning
08:26 < bridge> <reitw> no it's to save the base pointer
08:26 < bridge> <milkeeycat> chillerdragon: did you delete the message -.-
08:26 < bridge> <milkeeycat> or i can't read
08:26 < bridge> <reitw> ah this is
08:27 < bridge> <reitw> but the best way is to draw it, you'll understand it better
08:27 < bridge> <milkeeycat> i understand it, i have kinda working functions in my compiler xd
08:28 < bridge> <learath2> Ah okay, I get it, sorry, just woke up
08:29 < bridge> <learath2> `0xFFFFFFFF` is a negative number, mov immediate will sign extend it into the 64 bit register, but that's not what we want, we want it zero extended
08:29 < bridge> <learath2> That's why chiller was getting the weird "overflow" warning too
08:32 < bridge> <milkeeycat> are immediates signed numbers?
08:33 < bridge> <learath2> not in general, but some instructions treat them as such
08:33 < bridge> <milkeeycat> but mov is one of them?
08:33 < bridge> <learath2> if you open the mov documentation, you'll see that there is one single exception, `MOV r/m64, imm32` that's the one that treats it as signed 😄
08:34 < bridge> <tsfreddie> we assembling now?
08:34 < bridge> <learath2> I don't remember the history of it, but I'd guess it's to allow legacy 32 bit code to run on 64 bit seamlessly
08:34 < bridge> <reitw> more for chiller as he asked I meant
08:34 < bridge> <milkeeycat> fuck, i need instruction docs from smart language into grug cave man
08:36 < bridge> <milkeeycat> @learath2 how does this work if there's no in docs for `mov` anything about imm64 :\
08:37 < bridge> <learath2> There is?
08:38 < bridge> <learath2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267733060984766579/image.png?ex=66a9dbeb&is=66a88a6b&hm=c3e299a68d48bbab379d65d1588149d47b1468915cb3e99fe825121c2fd942f0&
08:39 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ok, i had x86 instruction set reference opened all this time :lol:
08:39 < bridge> <learath2> Oh actually, that's a memory mov
08:39 < bridge> <learath2> That one truly doesn't exist
08:39 < bridge> <learath2> It's cheating
08:40 < bridge> <milkeeycat> :pepeH:
08:40 < bridge> <learath2> It's using the sign extension behaviour and just moving `0xFFFFFFFF`
08:40 < bridge> <learath2> If you make it `0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF` it'll mov it in two pieces
08:41 < bridge> <learath2> Or it'll mov into a register then mov into memory
08:42 < bridge> <milkeeycat> can you send the link of this website, i can't find reference for x64 :pepeW:
08:42 < bridge> <learath2> idk what compilers do now
08:42 < bridge> <learath2> https://www.felixcloutier.com/x86/mov
08:42 < bridge> <learath2> This isn't really an authoritative source tbf, but it's much more pleasant to use than reading intels manual 😄
08:43 < bridge> <learath2> I'm guessing this, memory access is expensive
08:48 < bridge> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267735575964680243/image.png?ex=66a9de42&is=66a88cc2&hm=2a736f8451f7f2382ec18160f4782348b804b798d0290936910cd0a6f62b421d&
08:48 < bridge> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267735576271126609/image.png?ex=66a9de42&is=66a88cc2&hm=c40cc7aef1ab696d97e7996a75ed1a46776fbe181f722c7e1a2bf3130d8a1ee6&
08:51 < bridge> <learath2> It's lying, look at the actual immediate encoded in the instruction
08:51 < bridge> <learath2> it's clearly moving `0xffffffff` and allowing sign extension to take care of the rest of the fs
08:51 < bridge> <learath2> try `0xde_ad_be_ef_de_ad_be_ef`
08:52 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
08:52 < bridge> <milkeeycat> foo.asm:8: warning: signed dword immediate exceeds bounds [-w+number-overflow]
08:52 < bridge> <milkeeycat> foo.asm:8: warning: dword data exceeds bounds [-w+number-overflow]
08:52 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
08:52 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```0000000000000000 <_start>:
08:52 < bridge> <milkeeycat>    0:    48 c7 04 25 00 00 00     movq   $0xffffffffdeadbeef,0x0
08:52 < bridge> <milkeeycat>    7:    00 ef be ad de 
08:52 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
08:52 < bridge> <tsfreddie> my wifi be like
08:52 < bridge> <tsfreddie> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267736616072511498/image.png?ex=66a9df3a&is=66a88dba&hm=702a6e962195dd4970a38c3109eb806d924a9510dd0a44781242f36c3a5e8afd&
08:53 < bridge> <learath2> I actually don't really know how nasm works to be fair. I'm guessing it knows mov with memory target can't take anything bigger than a dword immediate
08:54 < bridge> <learath2> If you try it in C you'll see the compiler will do it in one mov if its `0xffffffffffffffff` and two movs otherwise
08:56 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ye, it uses `movabs` first and then moves from a register
08:56 < bridge> <learath2> @milkeeycat https://www.nasm.us/doc/nasmdo12.html#section-12.2 here you go, it seems nasm does truncate all immediates EXCEPT the outlier r64 imm64
08:57 < bridge> <learath2> I never really understood why it was called movabs. The intel manual calls it mov
08:59 < bridge> <chillerdragon> That explains why it got all goofed up when passing it to a syscall xd
09:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat> at first i though it takes absolute value of a number xd
09:05 < bridge> <learath2> metoo
09:05 < bridge> <learath2> I was like huh, what a niche instruction
09:07 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> around 2% slower than std mscp for me
09:07 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
09:07 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> lmao, synthetic benchmarks
09:08 < bridge> <learath2> For things like channels, stuff like batching and bursts matter very much, which makes the performance really workload dependent
09:08 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> yeah but then he should write different benchmarks and not show one where it's like 20x faster than std xd
09:08 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> that is just clickbait
09:11 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> @learath2 you are go pro, right? like not the camera but yeah.
09:11 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
09:11 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> have u ever used "chan" in go?
09:11 < bridge> <learath2> Ofc, chans are our main synchronization primitive almost
09:12 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> nice.. i saw it a few times in benchmarks for channels
09:12 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> was performing quite well, is it std?
09:12 < bridge> <learath2> Not only is it std, it's also built into the syntax
09:12 < bridge> <learath2> There is special syntax to receive from a chan in go
09:13 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ah cool
09:18 < bridge> <learath2> Go chans are not very fair though so that becomes a concern sometimes
10:26 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> omg i hate assembly
10:26 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> somehow my rcx goes all blaze it 420 for no reason
10:26 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1722327967.png
10:27 < bridge> <learath2> Well obviously whatever `dbg_print_reg` is destroys it
10:27 < bridge> <learath2> just pull out gdb
10:28 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> i dont like debuggers
10:28 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> i like print driven debugging
10:28 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> but ye seems like there is a bug in my printer omagawd
10:30 < bridge> <heinrich5991> > i dont like debuggers
10:30 < bridge> <heinrich5991> they can help you a lot. even more so in assembly…
10:30 < bridge> <milkeeycat> print driver debugging is good when you can easily print stuff xd
10:31 < bridge> <learath2> print driven debugging is good iff you are debugging something single threaded and your print doesn't have bugs 😄
10:32 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> i fixed the bug in my print method but i dont understand how it was one in the first place
10:32 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> does the write syscall set rcx?
10:33 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> i thought syscalls only set rax
10:34 < bridge> <heinrich5991> > A system-call is done via the syscall instruction. This clobbers %rcx and %r11 as well as the %rax return value, but other registers are preserved.
10:34 < bridge> <milkeeycat> > The syscall instruction uses rcx to store the address of the next instruction to return to
10:34 < bridge> <milkeeycat> > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50571275/why-does-a-syscall-clobber-rcx-and-r11
10:34 < bridge> <heinrich5991> according to some random stackoverflow answer
10:34 < bridge> <heinrich5991> (https://stackoverflow.com/a/2538212/870079)
10:34 < bridge> <milkeeycat> > The syscall instruction uses rcx to store the address of the next instruction to return to
10:34 < bridge> <milkeeycat> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50571275/why-does-a-syscall-clobber-rcx-and-r11
10:35 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> omagawd good to know
10:35 < bridge> <learath2> rcx isn't preserved in sysv abi
10:35 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> trol abi
10:35 < bridge> <learath2> I'm guessing that's just directly inherited from linux kernel
10:35 < bridge> <learath2> Though idk I don't remember exactly
10:36 < bridge> <learath2> Yeah
10:36 < bridge> <learath2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267762695919112222/image.png?ex=66a9f784&is=66a8a604&hm=eb88f0d95406e272702506b0debd88a5101e58f481a12f56fdd1d7965172c4c1&
10:37 < bridge> <learath2> https://gitlab.com/x86-psABIs/x86-64-ABI/-/jobs/artifacts/master/raw/x86-64-ABI/abi.pdf?job=build A2.1p2 to be exact
10:56 < bridge> <heinrich5991> I wonder how people design new ABIs
10:56 < bridge> <heinrich5991> there's no data to come from, for new architectures
10:56 < bridge> <heinrich5991> and it's going to be fixed forever
10:56 < bridge> <heinrich5991> and have quite some impact on the speed of code
11:06 < bridge> <learath2> I'm guessing it happens along with chip design for new architectures
11:06 < bridge> <heinrich5991> so amd designed the calling convention for amd64?
11:07 < bridge> <learath2> I'd say that's "old architectures". I was thinking more riscv or aarch64
11:10 < bridge> <learath2> Or perhaps they don't think too too hard about it. We don't really see wildly different abis very often do we?
11:11 < bridge> <learath2> I guess we do see internal abis that are pretty different now that I think about it
11:11 < bridge> <heinrich5991> you thinking of go? ^^
11:12 < bridge> <learath2> yeah, go is a bit of a standout 😄
11:12 < bridge> <heinrich5991> maybe luajit also has one
11:12 < bridge> <heinrich5991> probably, or other JITs
11:17 < bridge> <heinrich5991> I've had another idea for https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8283:
11:19 < bridge> <heinrich5991> we coul parse a very limited subset of html, only accepting `<span style="color: #`, `">`, `</span>`, `&lt;` and `&gt;` as tokens. no xml parsing required, only string searching
11:19 < bridge> <learath2> I don't like it at all
11:19 < bridge> <heinrich5991> we know from the client version that it supports precisely this, so it's not a backcompat hazard
11:19 < bridge> <learath2> It's very long
11:19 < bridge> <heinrich5991> it is. why is that a problem?
11:19 < bridge> <learath2> The broadcast string is already length limited
11:20 < bridge> <heinrich5991> to ~1KiB
11:21 < bridge> <louis> why parse html
11:21 < bridge> <learath2> And xml implies some sort of hierarchy in my mind. There is no hierarchy we support here. It just feels like we are bolting on html because we want a standard
11:21 < bridge> <louis> where else is html used in tw?
11:21 < bridge> <learath2> There just is no standard for this
11:21 < bridge> <louis> the standard is hex codes just like the editor
11:21 < bridge> <archimede67> it's not real html
11:21 < bridge> <heinrich5991> html is a standard for text formatting
11:21 < bridge> <learath2> So is LaTeX
11:22 < bridge> <louis> just do <#ffffff>
11:22 < bridge> <louis> sometimes you have to sacrifice the standard to give the user a better experience
11:22 < bridge> <heinrich5991> eh, it's just one program. it's an old program,  guess
11:22 < bridge> <heinrich5991> eh, it's just one program. it's an old program, I guess
11:22 < bridge> <learath2> We can't chillerdragon will have an aneursym if the 0.7 thing isn't supported
11:22 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> use linux command line colors
11:22 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 😏
11:22 < bridge> <heinrich5991> I think we should really not require 0.7 compatiblity
11:23 < bridge> <heinrich5991> that should just not be an argument
11:23 < bridge> <learath2> This is also an in-band standard for coloring text
11:23 < bridge> <louis> well compatibility btwn the two wont be hard to code. putting in that heinous format is weird just to keep 0.7 broadcast compat though
11:23 < bridge> <louis> err as long as broadcasting between different client versions is not hard to code*
11:24 < bridge> <learath2> "Should" being the operative word here. Politics is also sadly a factor in what is supposed to be a technical decision
11:24 < bridge> <heinrich5991> I say *we* should ignore that argument
11:24 < bridge> <heinrich5991> i.e. as maintainers of ddnet, we should decide that we don't base technical discussions on 0.7
11:25 < bridge> <learath2> I don't like pissing off the 0.7 people, they get very mean
11:25 < bridge> <heinrich5991> then we'll tell them to go away
11:25 < bridge> <heinrich5991> if they get mean
11:25 < bridge> <heinrich5991> I don't think it'll be hard to find a majority in ddnet maintainers for this
11:25 < bridge> <louis> why not implement it the way you want and have them do the work of compatibility if they want
11:25 < bridge> <heinrich5991> I don't think it'll be hard to find a majority in ddnet maintainers in favor of this
11:26 < bridge> <louis> then if 0.7 is ever completely dropped it can get refactored out
11:27 < bridge> <learath2> Well if we don't care what they think. I think being typeable is nice. But I don't think there is any point to pretending we support xml.
11:27 < bridge> <learath2> 
11:27 < bridge> <learath2> Just have <#abc> or <#aabbcc>
11:27 < bridge> <learath2> Do we ever want to add more formatting then just color?
11:27 < bridge> <heinrich5991> the point in pretending we support xml is that we can easily support more formatting in the future
11:27 < bridge> <heinrich5991> the point in pretending we support html is that we can easily support more formatting in the future
11:28 < bridge> <heinrich5991> the point in pretending we support a subset of html is that we can easily support more formatting in the future
11:28 < bridge> <heinrich5991> e.g. bold text
11:28 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> even tho i agree with it.
11:28 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
11:28 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> there will be some minor API change, and then YOU have to fix the 0.7 port, bcs the 0.7 ppl go afk forever 😂 
11:28 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
11:28 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> it's always like that
11:28 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> no matter the abstraction you use, it will always be at least a small burden to carry around
11:28 < bridge> <archimede67> that means we have to write `<#aabbcc>some text</#aabbcc>` ?
11:28 < bridge> <heinrich5991> or `<#aabbcc>` and `</>`
11:29 < bridge> <learath2> Can this handle a span in a span? Can we add a short alias for span?
11:29 < bridge> <louis> thats nicer
11:29 < bridge> <learath2> I was thinking no terminator needed. Behaves more like console color change escapes
11:30 < bridge> <learath2> But yeah a terminator to reset the color is also fine to have
11:30 < bridge> <heinrich5991> also works
11:30 < bridge> <louis> or <c="#aabbcc">text</> ?
11:30 < bridge> <archimede67> `</c>`
11:30 < bridge> <heinrich5991> no span in a span
11:30 < bridge> <heinrich5991> is what I'd go with
11:30 < bridge> <learath2> This I would be more interested in. Xml with our own tags instead of html
11:30 < bridge> <archimede67> that's similar to rich text in Unity for example
11:30 < bridge> <heinrich5991> do you have a link to the unity stuff?
11:30 < bridge> <archimede67> https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.ugui@1.0/manual/StyledText.html
11:31 < bridge> <louis> that would make it easier to do things like <b> as well i guess
11:31 < bridge> <learath2> I was more curious whether the naive parser would choke on it
11:31 < bridge> <louis> ^
11:31 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> sad that markdown has no colors
11:32 < bridge> <heinrich5991> that looks like html ^^
11:32 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> seems like a cleaner text formatting thing xd
11:32 < bridge> <heinrich5991> unfortunately not really well-defined. each parser does its own thing
11:32 < bridge> <archimede67> it's not quite html but similar
11:32 < bridge> <heinrich5991> oh, true. not html
11:33 < bridge> <archimede67> > The markup system is inspired by HTML but isn't intended to be strictly compatible with standard HTML.
11:41 < bridge> <teero777> what is the CLight entity?
11:42 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> wow, i have never seen that xdd
11:42 < bridge> <teero777> are those the retracting laser beams?
11:42 < bridge> <teero777> might be
11:42 < bridge> <louis> whats it look like
11:43 < bridge> <teero777> but they apparently have a curvature
11:43 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> it's funny how these oldschool ddrace things are almost not used anymore
11:43 < bridge> <teero777> i dont know
11:43 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ENTITY_LASER_C_SLOW,
11:43 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪>     ENTITY_LASER_C_NORMAL,
11:43 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪>     ENTITY_LASER_C_FAST,
11:43 < bridge> <teero777> yea
11:43 < bridge> <louis> could be spinning laser too (those have speeds)
11:44 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> "LASER LENGTH CHANGE: Put next to LASER LENGTH, causes it to length and shorten constantly. Works only on (NON-)SPINNING LASER, not on DOOR. Lengthen, slow.";
11:44 < bridge> <teero777> ah okay
11:44 < bridge> <teero777> thx
11:44 < bridge> <teero777> so they are the retracting thingies
11:45 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> and i almost hopped we have a hidden RTX impl
11:45 < bridge> <teero777> xDD
11:45 < bridge> <teero777> imagine
11:45 < bridge> <teero777> these mfs
11:45 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267780168269824010/image.png?ex=66aa07ca&is=66a8b64a&hm=9917ac4996fa24cf518b38569632fe7bcb49c11135c735bdd4a0503d4ee2418d&
11:45 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267780168630538285/image.png?ex=66aa07ca&is=66a8b64a&hm=2ca73402d965038feece6eaf81c2d28dbacb9ca704a56566ee1ece7c408afed8&
11:45 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267780168869744692/image.png?ex=66aa07ca&is=66a8b64a&hm=5e7e71bff4a0bc135e15622737b8812d6728fcbae9fb5cc72559fb2d0debdfcf&
11:46 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> bro i hate them so hard
11:46 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> their hitbox is so random
11:47 < bridge> <teero777> but who tf thought to themselves "huh lets call these moving lasers light"
11:48 < bridge> <teero777> but the other moving lasers are not called that xd
11:48 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://github.com/GreYFoX
11:48 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> thank this guy
11:48 < bridge> <teero777> gonna email him
11:49 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> "Yo wtf is CLight man. WTF?!"
11:49 < bridge> <teero777> xD
11:49 < bridge> <teero777> damn
11:49 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267781203025723542/image.png?ex=66aa08c1&is=66a8b741&hm=d43bbaf563f5a0c9dee4ae5ada937afab40476dbb41b96d701220a3108af5aed&
11:50 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
11:50 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> nice achievement
11:50 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> if we ever add achievements: You made 0 points in this FNG round
11:51 < bridge> <milkeeycat> i would have this achievement every round 😬
11:51 < bridge> <teero777> stackable achievements
11:51 < bridge> <teero777> aka. stats
11:51 < bridge> <teero777> xd
12:06 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> GreYFoX is goat don't question is namings!
12:06 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> his* ffs
12:23 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1722335015.png
12:23 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> thanks spell checker
12:24 < bridge> <milkeeycat> you have spell checker in neovim? :monkaS:
12:35 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> yea i was surprised too. But you wont believe the typo fixes i commited in the last few days. Its a game changer. Also I don't have to google how to type some english words anymore xd. It just auto fixes it.
12:36 < bridge> <heinrich5991> autofix is dangerous
12:36 < bridge> <milkeeycat> just type with errors :gigachad:
12:36 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> Well i see the suggestion
12:36 < bridge> <heinrich5991> ah, with manual verification it's fine again
12:36 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> ye
12:36 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> i gotta press the fix button
12:37 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> otherwise this mf would have corrupted my hexdump haha
12:37 < bridge> <heinrich5991> ^^
12:45 < bridge> <mian_ku> @0xdeen cheat client sale on the list
12:45 < bridge> <mian_ku> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267795297791115287/image.png?ex=66aa15e1&is=66a8c461&hm=1257c8692ec689636baf77deaced10675ab5d2e1759b22416c508fbc9d3103c9&
12:46 < bridge> <mian_ku> krx
12:46 < bridge> <mian_ku> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267795543170486322/image.png?ex=66aa161b&is=66a8c49b&hm=615613e4bbe76765539fb13a4e27c4a0d6cf57d611e7695ff45b281c226d70c1&
12:57 < bridge> <meloƞ> :dab1: :dab2: :dab3: 
12:57 < bridge> <meloƞ> 
12:57 < bridge> <meloƞ> nix goated
12:57 < bridge> <meloƞ> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267798140950675466/image.png?ex=66aa1887&is=66a8c707&hm=5828503d5dd41d531d37e00ed4a5edda251299c90d22470fd5989342509583d2&
12:57 < bridge> <draggory> can you make an admin ticket about this instead? It's better to not give them attention @mian_ku
12:57 < bridge> <draggory> And also delete the message here
12:58 < bridge> <draggory> Thanks
12:58 < bridge> <mian_ku> ok
13:01 < bridge> <heinrich5991> server banned
13:01 < bridge> <teero777> :D
13:02 < bridge> <opulently> what rule did the server break?
13:02 < bridge> <heinrich5991> advertising cheat clients
13:02 < bridge> <opulently> is there any rule list I can see please
13:04 < bridge> <heinrich5991> there's https://www.teeworlds.com/?page=docs&wiki=rules/server_rules I guess
13:04 < bridge> <heinrich5991> it doesn't list the cheat client rule. I guess we could at some point create our own
13:04 < bridge> <heinrich5991> it doesn't list the cheat client rule. I guess we could at some point create our own list
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat> You shall have no other gods before Me.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not make idols.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     Honor your father and your mother.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not murder.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not commit adultery.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not steal.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not covet.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not advertise bot clients.
13:05 < bridge> <learath2> If you are getting masterbanned you are doing something very wrong
13:05 < bridge> <opulently> doesn't that kinda break the freedom, others could have sponsoring info, just not if it's a cheat
13:05 < bridge> <opulently> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267800196478406726/brave_jy271ISBz9.png?ex=66aa1a71&is=66a8c8f1&hm=aaf9381706526ad8fbf7290f5c15baf8cf1b7de25975e7dc43de4073fe07557c&
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat> You shall have no other gods before Me.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not make idols.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     Honor your father and your mother.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not murder.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not commit adultery.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not steal.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
13:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not covet.
13:06 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     You shall not advertise bot clients.
13:06 < bridge> <heinrich5991> correct
13:06 < bridge> <learath2> The operative word is "purely" in that rule. But in general rules are limits on "freedoms"
13:07 < bridge> <opulently> interesting ideology, but seems like the same rules don't apply for everyone 😄
13:07 < bridge> <meloƞ> the server shouldnt exist purely for advertisement, (e.g, dont create 500 ghost-servers advertising you have a single fng server) or in that case, advertise a modified cheat client
13:07 < bridge> <heinrich5991> the cheat client thing is separate from that
13:08 < bridge> <heinrich5991> you're not allowed to advertise cheat clients
13:08 < bridge> <heinrich5991> don't get hung up on that advertising rule
13:08 < bridge> <meloƞ> fari
13:08 < bridge> <meloƞ> fair
13:08 < bridge> <opulently> add that rule to teeworlds.com so they know then
13:08 < bridge> <heinrich5991> that's common sense
13:08 < bridge> <milkeeycat> you think it's ok to advertise cheat clients? xd
13:09 < bridge> <heinrich5991> feel free to create a ruleset for the website if you'd like to see one @opulently
13:09 < bridge> <heinrich5991> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-web/
13:09 < bridge> <opulently> I think it's not okay that someone doesn't know that he's violating a rule, because that rule doesn't exist
13:09 < bridge> <learath2> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Do you see other cheat client advertisments on the serverlist?
13:10 < bridge> <learath2> If the rules are not being applied equally, you should be able to show an example of it
13:11 < bridge> <opulently> I was talking about getting banned for a non-existent rule. Anyone can make up a rule and tell me I broke it. It's just like getting cancelled but in teeworlds
13:12 < bridge> <milkeeycat> https://tenor.com/view/smh-gif-21608426
13:12 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> xd
13:12 < bridge> <learath2> It's just undocumented. It should be obvious that you can't advertise bot clients. Just like you can't advertise hitman services on craigslist
13:12 < bridge> <jxsl13> add that rule to the website so that the next person does not step on that exact same trap
13:12 < bridge> <krixx1337> I think @opulently  is right, it’s a bit unfair to ban someone for breaking a rule they couldn’t have known about. Could you please add this rule to the official list so everyone’s clear on it?
13:12 < bridge> <milkeeycat> @heinrich5991 it was on topic gif :feelsbadman:
13:12 < bridge> <learath2> Disclaimer, the person above me actively develops and sells a bot
13:13 < bridge> <milkeeycat> cap
13:13 < bridge> <learath2> Noo, you got in the way
13:13 < bridge> <heinrich5991> disclaimer, the person two above Learath2 is banned
13:13 < bridge> <jxsl13> sell bots for other games in teeworlds
13:13 < bridge> <jxsl13> that's allowed
13:13 < bridge> <heinrich5991> ehh
13:13 < bridge> <jxsl13> :kek:
13:13 < bridge> <murpi> Oh look who we have here 😬
13:13 < bridge> <learath2> We should add a list of rules probably, but as I said if you run afoul of this rule, you are just a bad actor
13:14 < bridge> <learath2> There is no accidentally running into it
13:15 < bridge> <learath2> It seems I've gotten censored
13:15 < bridge> <jxsl13> well
13:16 < bridge> <opulently> yep, ddnet respetcs free speech and doesn't abuse powers 😄
13:16 < bridge> <jxsl13> one could say if one cannot talk about something, them the problem of said "something" does not exist.
13:16 < bridge> <jxsl13> then*
13:17 < bridge> <jxsl13> that's sarcasm
13:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> melon is cooking something really huge
13:19 < bridge> <meloƞ> :pepe_ew92: it's not really free speech if you advertise a closed source, mabe malware infected modification of an open source client to sell it for money
13:19 < bridge> <meloƞ> i have fast hands but a slow mind okay :/
13:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> words hard
13:19 < bridge> <jxsl13> type faster, so that I can react with a melon emoji and continue working 😄
13:20 < bridge> <meloƞ> lmao
13:20 < bridge> <meloƞ> :pepe_ew92: it's not really free speech if you advertise a closed source, maybe malware infected modification of an open source client to sell it for money
13:20 < bridge> <learath2> 🦅 🦅 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
13:20 < bridge> <jxsl13> melons have no mind
13:20 < bridge> <milkeeycat> when will be the results of mod applications btw
13:21 < bridge> <jxsl13> just seeds of evil
13:21 < bridge> <meloƞ> @makeitaquote
13:21 < bridge> <meloƞ> oh wait wrong app..
13:21 < bridge> <learath2> Probably this weekend. I compiled like half of my decisions. I'm hoping murpi has some time too soon
13:21 < bridge> <opulently> that's literally what I wasn't talking about. I was talking about this guy gettings banned and like half the messages deleted. There's also undocumented rules you can think up of when you are staff. So stop responding if you don't know what we're talking about
13:21 < bridge> <meloƞ> how many memory leaks you got from compiling
13:22 < bridge> <learath2> Zero. I'm proficient in C
13:22 < bridge> <meloƞ> `I was talking about getting banned for a non-existent rule. Anyone can make up a rule and tell me I broke it. It's just like getting cancelled but in teeworlds` - i'd say my context is fitting
13:22 < bridge> <meloƞ> :D
13:22 < bridge> <opulently> yeah gaslight me, go on
13:22 < bridge> <opulently> I am gonna leave
13:22 < bridge> <meloƞ> HuH
13:22 < bridge> <jxsl13> I find it ok to add said rule
13:23 < bridge> <jxsl13> just to prevent further lifetime wasting conversations like this
13:23 < bridge> <learath2> This isn't an airport. You don't need to announce your departure
13:23 < bridge> <heinrich5991> @jxsl13 please, do. the repository is https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-web/
13:23 < bridge> <jxsl13> and specifics?
13:23 < bridge> <jxsl13> no advertising cheat clients in general?
13:23 < bridge> <jxsl13> or only teeworlds
13:23 < bridge> <milkeeycat> "cheat clients bad. no advertise chat clients"
13:24 < bridge> <milkeeycat> "cheat clients bad. no advertise cheat clients"
13:24 < bridge> <learath2> Bro was trying to defend the fundamental right of tees to advertise bot clients for financial gain, is confused when no one but the bot developer agrees
13:24 < bridge> <learath2> We truly live in a time
13:24 < bridge> <teero777> 😂
13:24 < bridge> <jxsl13> no advertising of cheats (might be not even a client, imagine teeworlds hardware cheats)
13:24 < bridge> <heinrich5991> add a file like the following, I guess: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-web/blob/79036aa77fd2fbb7ad08879bf7abeaab0938c395/www/rules/index.html
13:25 < bridge> <heinrich5991> sounds good
13:25 < bridge> <jxsl13> no advertising of cheats for online games
13:25 < bridge> <learath2> I'd say all teeworlds master rules apply + whatever we add I guess
13:25 < bridge> <teero777> if someone pulls of hardware cheats they deserve it xD
13:26 < bridge> <teero777> imagine having a a proxy that interferes with your inputs to make you not die lmao
13:26 < bridge> <teero777> imagine having a proxy that interferes with your inputs to make you not die lmao
13:26 < bridge> <teero777> well thats not really hardware i guess
13:26 < bridge> <lsdglsgdflk> hey
13:26 < bridge> <teero777> idk
13:26 < bridge> <lsdglsgdflk> my friend have problem @mik209
13:26 < bridge> <jxsl13> I mean, advertising a baldur's gate 3 godmode mod would be ok, I guess
13:26 < bridge> <teero777> imagine having a proxy that interferes with your input packets to make you not die lmao
13:26 < bridge> <lsdglsgdflk> he cant join for servers
13:27 < bridge> <lsdglsgdflk> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267805646976319538/image.png?ex=66aa1f84&is=66a8ce04&hm=689ba8d7cd09808b56d24d005ae1e355eeb0f9fae88fb18a936fad6321ab23b1&
13:27 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> better ask such questions in #questions next time 😄
13:27 < bridge> <learath2> It's not the place tbf. I'd only allow hosting sponsors
13:27 < bridge> <lsdglsgdflk> k
13:27 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> #✉-create-a-ticket ban-appeal
13:27 < bridge> <lsdglsgdflk> @mik209 ало уебан
13:27 < bridge> <0xdeen> or send me a DM with the ipv4 address
13:28 < bridge> <jxsl13> not necessarily paid
13:29 < bridge> <jxsl13> free god mod mod for an (primarily) offline game
13:29 < bridge> <jxsl13> just an example
13:30 < bridge> <learath2> But why do you need to advertise it in the ddnet serverlist?
13:30 < bridge> <lsdglsgdflk> @mik209
13:30 < bridge> <lsdglsgdflk> отправь ему
13:30 < bridge> <jxsl13> dunno
13:30 < bridge> <jxsl13> increase user base of a mod
13:31 < bridge> <lsdglsgdflk> 2024-07-30 14:31:34 I teamchat: хлеб: smit1x: кого чуркой назвал уебище
13:34 < bridge> <heinrich5991> I'd be fine with "no cheats of online multiplayer games" and let the "not purely advertising" rule take care of the rest
13:36 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i think it should also add: "no advertising for clients with custom features".
13:37 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
13:37 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Because else they come with their flawed argumentation that on their mod it is no cheat
13:37 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> (this is only for the server list right?)
13:37 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> it should generally not advertise any clients i guess xd
13:37 < bridge> <heinrich5991> I think the rule should still allow stuff like advertising T-Client
13:38 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> in the server list?
13:39 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i think that creates more harm than good, simply don't advertise any clients.
13:39 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
13:39 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> if ppl join that server fine
13:40 < bridge> <heinrich5991> we currently don't moderate the masterserver list a lot
13:40 < bridge> <heinrich5991> I like that, it doesn't create a lot of owrk
13:40 < bridge> <heinrich5991> by adding a lot of rules, I feel that people are going to come to me for smaller things
13:41 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> sure, but then you also have to deal with the edge cases that come with flawed arguments
13:41 < bridge> <heinrich5991> yes. I'll just ban them. so far, no problem has arisen from my serverlist dictatorship
13:41 < bridge> <heinrich5991> AFAIK
13:42 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> lmao
13:42 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> how surprising
13:50 < nameless_tee> Hello, i would like to suggest something
13:50 < nameless_tee> for the ddnet.org platform
13:53 < bridge> <zhn> xd
13:53 < bridge> <zhn> anyway im against having servers that promote/allow bot clients on them in serverlist, if people want to hvh, share ip by yourself
13:54 < bridge> <heinrich5991> nobody here is in favor of allowing to advertise bot clients
13:57 < bridge> <zhn> what do you want to suggest huh
14:03 < bridge> <milkeeycat> Chrome's L of the day. It's not possible to copy color from input of type color :pepeW:
14:04 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> what is type color? xd
14:04 < bridge> <milkeeycat> it's like color picker
14:05 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_input_type_color
14:05 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> this thing?
14:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ye
14:05 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> how do you copy from that generally? xd
14:05 < bridge> <milkeeycat> click on it
14:05 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> firefox gives me a full palette
14:05 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267815432581287968/image.png?ex=66aa28a1&is=66a8d721&hm=89e3c53fdfbd4250e9d21b29964324781c607e0f6de6403e495f49c496bed5e1&
14:05 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> but how can i copy xd
14:06 < bridge> <milkeeycat> it took some time to find out but you can right click on color
14:06 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> in the user defined i can copy the #color code
14:07 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> these html input elements really need some standard xd
14:07 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> well i cant copy anything from firefox except opening the color picker
14:08 < bridge> <milkeeycat> you can right click on color and there will be "customize" text
14:08 < bridge> <milkeeycat> and from there you can copy hex
14:08 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> yeah wow xD
14:08 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> then i can also open a tab and search for color picker online xdd
14:09 < bridge> <milkeeycat> xd
14:09 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267816244866715668/image.png?ex=66aa2963&is=66a8d7e3&hm=c91662f9e7e7b034c99578b76a2ce3439b4950337b6e88558051e7d4d8a2a444&
14:09 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> better than all the shitty native ones
14:09 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ye, one dude at work was yapping that he can't copy color from chrome I told him to switch to firefox 😬
14:10 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> and did he switch? XD
14:10 < bridge> <milkeeycat> no
14:10 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> :/
14:10 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267816654503678011/image.png?ex=66aa29c5&is=66a8d845&hm=528322536a17464e54e263dd4881a967731caca0b27681c495202fde505f1570&
14:10 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> on hex mode chrome lets me copy it too
14:10 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> in one go
14:11 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> well i ofc use chromium
14:11 < bridge> <milkeeycat> wot
14:11 < bridge> <milkeeycat> what version you use
14:11 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Version 126.0.6478.182 (Official Build) built on Debian trixie/sid, running on Debian trixie/sid (64-bit)
14:12 < bridge> <milkeeycat> I have  125.0.6422.60
14:12 < bridge> <milkeeycat> did they fix it
14:12 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i dunno
14:12 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i honestly never used a native color picker yet xD
14:12 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> or i didnt notice
14:17 < bridge> <milkeeycat> :pepeW:
14:17 < bridge> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267818451515347067/image.png?ex=66aa2b71&is=66a8d9f1&hm=5609d8a0abe961b8a2959edeaef45808dcff7deb19cf204ae7c091fbd06912f7&
14:18 < bridge> <milkeeycat> I still can't copy even tho I have version 127
14:18 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> famous last words
14:18 < bridge> <milkeeycat> watafak
14:18 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ??????
14:18 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> u need tutorial? xd
14:18 < bridge> <milkeeycat> paste value from input here
14:18 < bridge> <milkeeycat> right now!
14:18 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> FBI
14:19 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ah lol
14:19 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> but it even marks it
14:19 < bridge> <fokkonaut> I somehow managed to join my local server, connected dummy, and it went to my main server
14:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> YUP
14:19 < bridge> <fokkonaut> my main is now on my local server and my dummy is on the real server
14:19 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> mh second time i hear this
14:19 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> maybe we added a bug somehow
14:19 < bridge> <fokkonaut> probably
14:20 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://issues.chromium.org/issues/40124558
14:20 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 4 years
14:20 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> to fix such a simple thing
14:21 < bridge> <milkeeycat> and you can't paste as well
14:21 < bridge> <milkeeycat> that's crazy
14:22 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> totally bullshit
14:22 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> who made that thing xDD
14:22 < bridge> <milkeeycat> thanks god I use firefox and never had this problem before 😏
14:23 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> if it wouldnt be so hard to contribute to such projects
14:23 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i'd still not do it anyway, don't lie to myself
14:23 < bridge> <murpi> Were you able to play on both servers at the same time? That'd be lit
14:23 < bridge> <fokkonaut> yes, since it loaded the same map it was possible. but it was laggy on my main, only dummy worked nicely. i could use rcon on both, tho
14:23 < bridge> <fokkonaut> seperately
14:24 < bridge> <murpi> Let's make that a feature :greenthing:
14:24 < bridge> <fokkonaut> k-client
14:24 < bridge> <fokkonaut> xd
14:24 < bridge> <murpi> outdated af
14:25 < bridge> <cellegenrih> I liked the client back then
14:38 < bridge> <_z_e_n_i_t_h_> hi
14:39 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> hi, welcome to #developer chat room
14:39 < bridge> <tsfreddie> hi, im new
14:40 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> hi tsfreddie, nice to see you back in new
14:40 < bridge> <tsfreddie> can i pm you
14:41 < bridge> <teero777> no
14:41 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> no, everyone here wants to know our secrets
14:41 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> "but my custom client wont compile" xd
14:41 < bridge> <tsfreddie> okay then, i wont send private funnies then
14:42 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> fak u got me
14:42 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> now i am curios
14:53 < bridge> <milkeeycat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267827480941695087/schrodingers-error-handling-v0-ubp4pi671luc1.png?ex=66aa33da&is=66a8e25a&hm=b366d87ab977b4a506666c3af26547301f0f76559c474f12a9d6de1a772bf648&
15:13 < bridge> <forgottenabscat> Pictures of four fingers from a Discord Admin. Only cost 1billion yuan. Good deal consider
15:14 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> wow now you even have the ones from discord admin
15:14 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> u really collect fast
15:15 < bridge> <tsfreddie> ive met deen in person, so ill pass the offer.
15:15 < bridge> <forgottenabscat> Not deen
15:15 < bridge> <forgottenabscat> If you accept, Jupstar will get 1cent
15:15 < bridge> <forgottenabscat> Thats a lot
15:15 < bridge> <tsfreddie> jupeyy is vegan, they don't eat fingers
15:15 < bridge> <forgottenabscat> Doubt
15:16 < bridge> <forgottenabscat> The video show his fingers
15:17 < bridge> <forgottenabscat> I think he was going to eat
16:27 < bridge> <robyt3> See #2804. I don't understand how this can happen if the servers don't have the same IP though, since the dummy should always connect to the same IP as the main though.
16:27 < bridge> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/2804
16:31 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> buffer overflow 😬
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> never knew it's possible to print n chars from string using printf 
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```c
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> #include <stdio.h>
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> #include <unistd.h>
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> 
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> int main() {
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     const char *owo = "That's my string, hell yeah";
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> 
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     printf("%.*s", 9, owo);
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> }
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> will print
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> That's my
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> never knew it's possible to print n chars from string using printf 
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```c
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> #include <stdio.h>
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> 
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> int main() {
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     const char *owo = "That's my string, hell yeah";
16:49 < bridge> <milkeeycat> 
16:50 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     printf("%.*s", 9, owo);
16:50 < bridge> <milkeeycat> }
16:50 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
16:50 < bridge> <milkeeycat> will print
16:50 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
16:50 < bridge> <milkeeycat> That's my
16:50 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
16:50 < bridge> <tsfreddie> utf8 gore moment
17:02 < bridge> <learath2> printf is soooo good
17:07 < bridge> <tsfreddie> give me a game idea
17:22 < bridge> <fokkonaut> Weird
17:25 < bridge> <teero777> huh? i thought it was fixed. i gave a way to reliably replicate that bug did i not?
17:26 < bridge> <teero777> i reported it on discord and someone made a issue
17:26 < bridge> <teero777> oh yea
17:26 < bridge> <teero777> im too dumb to scroll
17:26 < bridge> <teero777> im too dumb to scroll
17:26 < bridge> <teero777> didnt see the video in the comments mb
17:28 < bridge> <melon> okay hear me out, ddnet.. but written in 100% pure zig
17:29 < bridge> <teero777> genius game idea
17:29 < bridge> <melon> or just 3D ddnet with VR
17:29 < bridge> <tsfreddie> rustaceans will eat you alive
17:29 < bridge> <milkeeycat> since his name is TS Freddie the game obviously should be in TypeScript
17:37 < bridge> <learath2> If I had a game idea, I'd make games 😄
17:42 < bridge> <tsfreddie> make one please
17:42 < bridge> <learath2> I always wanted to make a platformer, but I'm shit at the art part
18:22 < bridge> <manikoo> ddnet story edition
18:55 < bridge> <milkeeycat> oh man there're so many things to learn, C has such a syntax for declaring arrays, dat's cool
18:55 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```c
18:55 < bridge> <milkeeycat> uint8_t foo[] = {
18:55 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     [10] = 12,
18:55 < bridge> <milkeeycat>     [5] = 5,
18:55 < bridge> <milkeeycat> };
18:55 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
19:03 < bridge> <milkeeycat> @learath2 is there a way how to parse a struct expression(if that's how it's called) using pratt parser? xd
19:52 < bridge> <learath2> I don't think so. Not sure why but it feels impossible to me. Though I'm not a huge theory enjoyer
19:55 < bridge> <learath2> Oh actually perhaps it is possible, if you treat the keyword `struct` as a unary operator 😛
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> i have struct expression like
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> Foo {
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat>   a: 0x45,
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> }
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> i have struct expression slike
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> Foo {
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat>   a: 0x45,
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> }
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> i have struct expressions like
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> Foo {
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat>   a: 0x45,
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> }
19:59 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ```
20:12 < bridge> <chairn> isn't that gcc extension only ?
20:14 < bridge> <chairn> apparently not, however ranged init is gcc extension
20:14 < bridge> <chairn> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Designated-Inits.html
20:17 < bridge> <learath2> It may technically be possible but why do you want to do this?
20:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> because i still have to parse them somehow xdd
20:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> rn i just check if next token is `{` xd
20:20 < bridge> <learath2> Usually you use operator precedence parsers to well parse operator languages. A programming language is rarely an operator language
20:20 < bridge> <learath2> E.g. gcc parses c with a recursive descent parser, with an operator precedence parser bolted on to parse arithmetic expressions faster
20:22 < bridge> <milkeeycat> it's working right now, so it's good enough
20:33 < bridge> <learath2> ```
20:33 < bridge> <learath2> struct_field_expr : label colon value;
20:33 < bridge> <learath2> struct_field_exprs: struct_field_expr
20:33 < bridge> <learath2>     | struct_field_exprs comma struct_field_expr
20:33 < bridge> <learath2>     ;
20:33 < bridge> <learath2> struct_expr : brace_left struct_field_exprs brace_right
20:33 < bridge> <learath2> ```
20:35 < bridge> <learath2> This looks parseable with an operator precedence parser. No consecutive nonterminals or epsilons on the rhs.
20:35 < bridge> <learath2> 
20:35 < bridge> <learath2> @milkeeycat I guess it is possible atleast so if you can't do it it's a skill issue
20:36 < bridge> <learath2> Though I did write the grammar in a bus on a phone, so maybe I overlooked something 🙃
20:39 < bridge> <milkeeycat> time to check how to read bnf notation, i was never paying attention to it xddd
20:40 < bridge> <soulyvevo> @ryozuki help
20:42 < bridge> <meloƞ> > IsImageFormatRgba
20:42 < bridge> <meloƞ> 
20:42 < bridge> <meloƞ> RGBA is an alias for Red Green Blue Alpha? Rgba looks wrong - why the change? :o
20:42 < bridge> <meloƞ> > IsImageFormatRgba
20:42 < bridge> <meloƞ> 
20:42 < bridge> <meloƞ> RGBA is an alias for Red Green Blue Alpha, Rgba looks wrong - why the change? :o
20:46 < bridge> <robyt3> We already had a discussion about capitalization of acronyms, the only special cases we allow are `DDNet` and `DDRace` IIRC
20:47 < bridge> <learath2> Bro is just winging the compiler
20:47 < bridge> <learath2> Isn't RGBA an acronym?
20:47 < bridge> <learath2> Tbf iirc we murdered GPU too
20:47 < bridge> <robyt3> yeah, we decided the only acronyms that are allowed to have their prefered spelling are those two
20:48 < bridge> <meloƞ> i did! XD
20:48 < bridge> <learath2> I still can not believe that I let that PR through :pepeW:
20:48 < bridge> <meloƞ> #7642
20:48 < bridge> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7642
20:48 < bridge> <meloƞ> :kek:
20:49 < bridge> <learath2> Gfx isn't an ancronym though. It's a contraction
20:50 < bridge> <learath2> Gfx isn't an acronym though. It's a contraction
20:51 < bridge> <learath2> Apparently the proper term is abbreviation
20:55 < bridge> <learath2> Actual acronyms being wrongly capitalized because muH coNsISteNt CaMuHlCasE is insane
20:55 < bridge> <learath2> Sorry, PascalCase actually
20:57 < bridge> <meloƞ> https://federation.edu.au/staff/business-and-communication/communication-guidelines/our-preferred-style/abbreviations,-contractions-and-acronyms
20:57 < bridge> <meloƞ> 
20:57 < bridge> <meloƞ> the definition of Contraction doesnt fit, given the "last letter of the original word" is not `X` but `cs`
20:57 < bridge> <meloƞ> it seems to fall both under abbreviation and Acronym? god i should go back to school
20:58 < bridge> <learath2> I think gfx would be an abbreviation. Acronyms are supposed to be from the initials
20:59 < bridge> <meloƞ> i see
21:17 < bridge> <zhn> did you hear about https://c3-lang.com
21:17 < bridge> <zhn> did you hear about https://c3-lang.org
21:17 < bridge> <zhn> did you hear about https://c3-lang.org
21:22 < bridge> <meloƞ> `for the next generation`
21:23 < bridge> <meloƞ> gerdoe wanna rewrite api once more? :greenthing:
21:23 < bridge> <meloƞ> @learath2 that sounds like something for you :kekw:
21:23 < bridge> <meloƞ> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267925553630154853/image.png?ex=66aa8f30&is=66a93db0&hm=d3ceb3b79d1ef11627690de4e7dd698ceab016a2d3510d4f2f1a728f0d96a718&
21:24 < bridge> <meloƞ> ```
21:24 < bridge> <meloƞ> 
21:24 < bridge> <meloƞ> fault Err
21:24 < bridge> <meloƞ> {
21:24 < bridge> <meloƞ>     OOPS,
21:24 < bridge> <meloƞ>     LOTS_OF_OOPS
21:24 < bridge> <meloƞ> }
21:24 < bridge> <meloƞ> ```
21:24 < bridge> <meloƞ> 
21:24 < bridge> <meloƞ> gigachad error handling
21:28 < bridge> <learath2> Oh wow, this has a lot of things I was planning for my C evolution
21:30 < bridge> <learath2> I wish they had implicit this for methods
21:31 < bridge> <milkeeycat> make C4 with implicit this
21:32 < bridge> <milkeeycat> ok, maybe skip to C5 :justatest:
21:45 < bridge> <zhn> where's NSE language
21:45 < bridge> <zhn> i'll not expand it though xd
22:04 < bridge> <meloƞ> still no answer on my #todo.txt :(
22:04 < bridge> <meloƞ> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1267935906661138442/image.png?ex=66aa98d5&is=66a94755&hm=dfc7e8e36674dd316bfe66070d82e9da8c9cb95f6e8127b8834522050e86f564&
22:27 < bridge> <zhn> watafak
22:27 < bridge> <zhn> wait i didn't even see it
22:28 < bridge> <meloƞ> :feelsbadman:
23:25 < bridge> <jxsl13> html skills
23:25 < bridge> <jxsl13> top tier
23:43 < bridge> <zhn> why there is no jxsl
23:45 < bridge> <zhn> jackass eXtreme static language
23:46 < bridge> <jxsl13> credits?
23:47 < bridge> <jxsl13> rip
23:48 < bridge> <jxsl13> just because jxsl is the defacto standard for web development, does not mean that we should use it here.
23:48 < bridge> <jxsl13> it's too powerful
23:49 < bridge> <jxsl13> for mortals
23:49 < bridge> <zhn> ISO jxsl-13
23:49 < bridge> <zhn> they really did last update 11 years ago smh
23:51 < bridge> <jxsl13> hyper stable.
23:53 < bridge> <jxsl13> blazingly fast, GenAI and DegenAI, web1-n, flexible, future proof.
23:53 < bridge> <jxsl13> need more buzzwords