01:07 < bridge> . 01:48 < bridge> mods crush his head to a pulp 02:29 < bridge> sdsds I strongly disagree that ddnet does not moderate enough. It’s the opposite actually. It’s full of abusing admins that enjoy muting and banning and do it whenever they want. 02:29 < bridge> Just proofs my point 02:42 < bridge> ye agree 02:42 < bridge> at least in places where the game is popular 02:42 < bridge> usa mods are mostly chill 02:48 <+ws-client> @heinrich5991 omagawd your hint was super helpful once again <:poggers2:1008007455936094328> 02:49 <+ws-client> turns out i fat fingered -rdynamic only onto the shared object (which is trol because they expose symbols by default) and not the server in the working example 02:49 <+ws-client> so cmakelist and the verbose make command showed -rdynamic but it was NOT applied on the SERVER 02:51 <+ws-client> sadly now i am not so sure anymore if i can make it work because that simplified example managed to access ccollision without linking against the entire server code which is a bit more tricky in a real teeworlds codebase because of how interconnected everything is 04:14 <+ws-client> i guess the function being local on the server side is the problem. `nm` reports `T` in the working version and `t` in the non hot reloading version (this time i am not using -rdynamic so not sure how it became local -.-) 04:14 <+ws-client> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1716603182.png 04:14 <+ws-client> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1716603210.png 04:24 <+ws-client> wat did ddnet code base do to make all the big Ts go away? 04:24 <+ws-client> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1716603745.png 04:24 <+ws-client> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1716603827.png 04:31 <+ws-client> ok nvm not sure if the t/T is a problem. Since I manage to hot reload the lite version of the shared object in a ddnet server that has the symbol locally 04:31 <+ws-client> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1716604252.png 06:50 < bridge> morning 08:26 < bridge> morning 08:33 < bridge> good morning 08:34 < bridge> lmao chillerdragon: imagine wasting few hours of your life for `T`s and `t`s 08:34 < bridge> genetic engineering 08:34 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1243814474062889002/image.png?ex=6652d7ff&is=6651867f&hm=bb52065e34a947360ef7170f2d0e324e127df12baf7c51bff4e4c138bd301f93& 08:34 < bridge> for the most efficient "xp" plant 08:35 < bridge> is that this mc mod where u can grow the best plant by analysing it's properties and then only put the good ones together 08:35 < bridge> and remove the rest 08:35 < bridge> i think i also played that once.. but then it got too overpowered xD 08:35 < bridge> u gotta grow dragon eggs and win or smth 08:35 < bridge> ohh 08:35 < bridge> i should play mc 08:36 < bridge> mystical agriculture 08:36 < bridge> u go sleep to get well 08:36 < bridge> mhh i thought the name was differently 08:36 < bridge> so maybe it's a different mod xD 08:36 < bridge> or agricraft 08:36 < bridge> im not sure 08:36 < bridge> there may be a few like this 08:36 < bridge> yeah maybe 08:36 < bridge> i think it's agricraft 08:37 < bridge> i mean ur screenshot says so xd 08:37 < bridge> yeah 08:38 < bridge> the plants themselves are from whatever mod 08:38 < bridge> but the genetic engineering is agricraft 08:39 < bridge> cant they even grow diamonds and stuff xD 08:39 < bridge> http://2143.christmas/f/K2MH.png 08:40 < bridge> im invisible in the game 08:40 < bridge> like i even collect xp orbs 08:41 < bridge> as if their clients don't even know that i exist 08:41 < bridge> like their client even shows them collecting xp orbs that i collected 08:41 < bridge> morning #developer chat enjoyers and others 08:42 < bridge> morning 08:42 < bridge> i actually sleep in 18 minutes 08:42 < bridge> morning #developer no lifers and others 08:42 < bridge> xd 08:42 < bridge> :feelsbadman: 08:42 < bridge> we stick together 08:42 < bridge> damn i just woke up XD 08:42 < bridge> the timezone diff hits hard 08:43 < bridge> indeed 08:44 < bridge> i slept and im way better now 08:44 < bridge> so proud of you 08:44 < bridge> good 08:44 < bridge> @mpft u playing a modpack? 08:44 < bridge> which 08:44 < bridge> i need modern good modpacks 08:44 < bridge> eternal 08:44 < bridge> with defined progression 08:44 < bridge> not modern 08:44 < bridge> 3 fps 08:44 < bridge> i like following 08:44 < bridge> i blame amd not releasing zen5 08:44 < bridge> if i have 64gb ram 08:44 < bridge> can i assign mc 32 08:44 < bridge> sure u can 08:44 < bridge> yes 08:44 < bridge> u can also assign it 64gb 08:44 < bridge> im at 12 never had to go higher 08:45 < bridge> and this is like the most expensive modpack 08:45 < bridge> but u get 3 fps 08:45 < bridge> whhy 08:45 < bridge> not gc 08:45 < bridge> bad coding 08:45 < bridge> novice java devs 08:45 < bridge> lmao 08:45 < bridge> more ram doesn't necessarily mean more fps 08:46 < bridge> it just means more time until the next (more monumental) lag spike, assuming you're using g1 which is the default garbage collector 08:48 < bridge> modern packs use modern java 08:48 < bridge> better gc 08:48 < bridge> yes g1 still default 😃 08:48 < bridge> some jvm can only use g1 08:48 < bridge> i doubt it's a gc issue anyway 08:48 < bridge> ZGC 08:48 < bridge> is meant for realtime 08:48 < bridge> like mc 08:48 < bridge> it's simply that all mods more and more bloat code into the mod 08:49 < bridge> add 08:49 < bridge> Is this Minetest? 08:49 < bridge> :pepeW: 08:50 < bridge> http://2143.christmas/f/AODx.png 08:50 < bridge> does this look like minetest 08:50 < bridge> Yes, it does! 08:50 < bridge> :KEKW: 08:50 < bridge> looks like red hat 08:50 < bridge> -XX:+UseZGC -XX:AllocatePrefetchStyle=1 -XX:-ZProactive 08:51 < bridge> yea 08:51 < bridge> zgc good for server 08:51 < bridge> not client tho 08:51 < bridge> u want shenandoah 08:51 < bridge> lets all drop ddnet and code our own minecraft mod 08:51 < bridge> i'd code a ddnet minecraft mod 08:51 < bridge> minetee is a thing tho 08:51 < bridge> but the wrong direction xD 08:51 < bridge> mc mod in ddnet 08:51 < bridge> oh lord 08:51 < bridge> yes, what's up? 08:51 < bridge> ? i was talking to @gumbatw 08:52 < bridge> he is my slave 08:52 < bridge> fair enough 08:53 < bridge> tf 08:53 < bridge> submit 08:53 < bridge> no 08:54 < bridge> good for client with ZGenerational 08:54 < bridge> only in java 21+ 08:54 < bridge> sweet 08:55 < bridge> iirc new fabric api only supports 20 tho 08:55 < bridge> just allocate 2TB Ram and never deallocate 08:55 < bridge> https://github.com/Mukul1127/Minecraft-Performance-Flags-Benchmarks 08:55 < bridge> true 08:55 < bridge> yea 08:55 < bridge> clearly u didnt check the stars 🤓 08:56 < bridge> writing a c program that leaks 2TB of memory any% speedrun 08:56 < bridge> i wonder 08:58 <+ws-client> lmao yea jopsti im stuck on hot reloading how i want it to for way too long now :/ 08:58 <+ws-client> and im out of ideas again 08:58 < bridge> sadly i never truely understand what u r stuck on xD 08:58 <+ws-client> xd 08:59 <+ws-client> it just won't run the new code i compiled and keeps running the old code 08:59 <+ws-client> unless i do compromises 08:59 < bridge> but you are sure u unloaded the lib completely? 08:59 <+ws-client> dlclose() did not fail 08:59 <+ws-client> from what i understand its less of a unloading problem actually 09:00 < bridge> have u tried simply renaming ur lib every time? 09:00 <+ws-client> the function i want to hot reload from an external so file is also statically linked into the server executable it self 09:00 <+ws-client> and that seems to take priority 09:00 <+ws-client> it doesn't even work on first load i guess 09:01 <+ws-client> and renaming seems like a compromise 09:01 <+ws-client> i mean i made it work by renaming the function :D 09:01 <+ws-client> but it wasnt as nice as i wanted it to be 09:01 < bridge> so u kinda have a symbol collision? 09:01 <+ws-client> yes 09:01 <+ws-client> but it works if i make the shared object not access ccollision from the server 09:02 < bridge> ```cpp 09:02 < bridge> #include 09:02 < bridge> #include 09:02 < bridge> 09:02 < bridge> int main() { 09:02 <+ws-client> which i thought is caused by -rdynamic causing troubles with symbol collision 09:02 < bridge> for(int i = 0; ; i++) { 09:02 < bridge> printf("iteration %d\n", i); 09:02 < bridge> malloc(1000 * 1000); 09:02 < bridge> _sleep(10); 09:02 < bridge> } 09:02 < bridge> } 09:02 < bridge> ``` 09:02 < bridge> just put the static linked function into a module? 09:02 <+ws-client> but now i somehow managed to get it to work without -rdynamic and it still wont work 09:02 <+ws-client> whats a module? 09:02 < bridge> a cpp namespace 09:02 < bridge> c++20 feature 09:03 < bridge> yeah sry i meant namespace 09:03 <+ws-client> yea then i would only need 1 #if #else that could work 09:03 <+ws-client> so toggle namespace name instead of function name 09:04 <+ws-client> can i `extern "C"` namespaces? xd 09:04 < bridge> u can also put it into a struct 09:04 <+ws-client> i guess i can also make the entry point hot manually 09:04 < bridge> a struct is kinda a namespace too 09:04 <+ws-client> structs have no methods 09:04 <+ws-client> in C 09:04 < bridge> oh 09:04 < bridge> namespace doesn't exist in C 09:04 < bridge> wat 09:05 < bridge> but why u even want a extern c for a static linked function? 09:05 <+ws-client> yea but i like the idea jopsti 09:05 <+ws-client> well because the same function that is statically linked is also dynamically linked 09:05 <+ws-client> so it feels like a normal code base where everything is like always 09:06 <+ws-client> but if you recompile it hot reloads the parts it should hot reload 09:06 < bridge> yes that's why namespaces 09:06 < bridge> then u can do `use namspace chiller` 09:06 < bridge> then u can do `use namespace chiller` 09:06 < bridge> and it looks like before 09:06 <+ws-client> yes i will give it a try 09:06 <+ws-client> sounds good 09:06 < bridge> totally not hacky instead of redesigning your app xDDD 09:06 < bridge> my userspace memory leak program is making all my other apps close 09:06 < bridge> runtime errors 09:06 < bridge> lmfao 09:06 <+ws-client> it is a bit hacky im sure there is a non hacky way too 09:07 < bridge> ez 09:07 < bridge> black screen 09:07 < bridge> nice 09:07 <+ws-client> but i take the first way that works flawlessly and has good developer expirience 09:07 < bridge> simply don't use/overload global functions in first place 09:07 < bridge> flawless resource allocator 09:07 <+ws-client> but then it would be annoying to maintain jopsti 09:07 <+ws-client> i want it to just work 09:08 < bridge> what do you think i did for my mod system? 09:08 < bridge> it's a design issue not a maintain issue xd 09:08 <+ws-client> what im building is not really a mod system 09:08 <+ws-client> just a hot reload for one specific thing xd 09:09 <+ws-client> if its not compiled in the server statically i depend on external objects at runtime 09:09 <+ws-client> i don't like tha 09:09 < bridge> i dont understand tho why the name of the mod function cannot be `mod_function_name` 09:09 <+ws-client> it can 09:09 <+ws-client> but then it will be the same on the server side too 09:09 <+ws-client> unless i #ifdef it 09:10 <+ws-client> for EVERY function i write 09:10 <+ws-client> or not depend on ccollision somehow xd 09:10 < bridge> i no get ur problem dude xD 09:10 <+ws-client> or not have a real tw server somehow xd 09:10 < bridge> time to rewrite my nvim config for the 2048 time this month! 09:10 < bridge> do you overload functions of ccollision? 09:10 <+ws-client> nono 09:11 <+ws-client> i just pass it into my shared object 09:11 < bridge> ok u pass collision object into the mod 09:11 < bridge> the function that takes this object is called `my_mod_tick` 09:11 <+ws-client> so i have ./DDNet-Server who calls ./libtwbl_bottick.so in CCharacter::OnTick to ask the shared object for player inputs 09:12 <+ws-client> ye `Twbl_SampleTick(GameServer()->Collision())` 09:12 <+ws-client> so it can call to GetTile() and see the map 09:12 < bridge> and now where is the name collision? 09:12 <+ws-client> but to use the pointer correctly it needs to also link against collision.cpp 09:12 <+ws-client> the name collision is that sample_bot.cpp is also directly in the server code base 09:13 < bridge> ok it links against collision.cpp & .h 09:13 <+ws-client> so if i `rm ./libtwbl_bottick.so` it should still work 09:13 < bridge> yes, they link against the same static lib, which contains collision.cpp and .h 09:13 < bridge> continue 09:13 < bridge> where is ur problem xd 09:14 < bridge> sample_bot, why do u even need it? 09:14 <+ws-client> its a test 09:14 < bridge> simply never call the mod code if no .so was found 09:14 <+ws-client> nono 09:14 <+ws-client> the .so is only for rare prod updates during runtime and mostly for developer expirience 09:15 <+ws-client> i want it to not rely on external objects or dlopen() to work 09:15 < bridge> yes understandable, ok 09:15 < bridge> but to be clear. u have exactly one entry point? 09:15 < bridge> 09:15 < bridge> `mod_tick` 09:15 <+ws-client> if you are really interested i can record you some clips to explain it x 09:15 <+ws-client> yep one entry point 09:16 <+ws-client> but i would have to rename all methods it calls for them to be hot 09:16 <+ws-client> afk for a sec 09:18 < bridge> ok let me ask differently 09:19 < bridge> whereever the function name collision is: 09:19 < bridge> is that the function u want to modify for hot reload, and is it: 1. not `mod_tick` and 2. already exists on the executable? 09:21 <+ws-client> ye that func i wanna edit and its one entry point 09:21 <+ws-client> but it calls other functions that i also want to be hot 09:21 <+ws-client> gimme some minutes ima try to craft a video blog 09:21 < bridge> should i be honest with you? 09:22 < bridge> 1. i strongly recommend against what u try. 2. IF u still want to try it like that: cast the original ccollision object to a ccollision object of your mod and never reuse the ccollision stuff from the binary.. so basically have a second ccollision class that is bianry compatible 09:23 < bridge> :justatest: 09:24 < bridge> 09:24 <+ws-client> then i need to maintain a matching definition of ccollision if i fail to keep it binary compatible i get nasty to debug errors 09:24 <+ws-client> and its not portable 09:24 <+ws-client> the idea of this bot lib is that i develop it once and then can yoink it into every mod 09:24 < bridge> yes but wtf do u expect lmao 09:25 <+ws-client> i thinkt your suggestion with namespaces might work xd 09:25 < bridge> then don't ever pass the ccollision object in first place 09:25 < bridge> 09:25 < bridge> that alone is already shady af 09:25 < bridge> poor chiller 09:25 <+ws-client> but how does the bot see the map then? 09:25 < bridge> and then u want to be binary compatible 09:25 < bridge> give the mod some functions `checktile` explicitly 09:25 < bridge> and not the ccolision object 09:25 <+ws-client> but then it also needs the map data 09:26 <+ws-client> do you want me to mem copy the entire map on every tick? 09:26 < bridge> well that is obviously also too hacky xD 09:26 <+ws-client> mostly expensive 09:26 < bridge> but anyway thats a different problem 09:26 <+ws-client> but ye also hacky 09:26 <+ws-client> i cant pass checktile without map data 09:27 <+ws-client> i mean i made it all work together 09:27 <+ws-client> but that was a server that no clients can connect to xd 09:27 < bridge> if u ask me.. whatever u will try with your version will be super annoying to maintain 09:27 <+ws-client> thats also a somewhat crucial feature 09:27 <+ws-client> will it? 09:27 < bridge> yes 09:27 <+ws-client> the idea is that it just works 09:27 <+ws-client> there should be zero maintenance cost 09:28 < bridge> u can pass a "new" checktile function 09:28 <+ws-client> u just pass in a pointer to collision it picks up the definition from your code and just works 09:28 < bridge> checktile_mod 09:28 <+ws-client> ok sure 09:28 < bridge> that is used on host and mod side 09:28 <+ws-client> how does its implementation look like? 09:28 <+ws-client> where does it get the map data from? 09:28 < bridge> well u need to create functions for those too 09:28 < bridge> get_width 09:28 < bridge> get_height 09:28 <+ws-client> get tile 09:28 < bridge> access_tile 09:29 <+ws-client> how does access tile look like? 09:29 < bridge> get_bot 09:29 < bridge> it gets an index and returns smth 09:29 <+ws-client> it would also depend on ccollision? no? 09:29 <+ws-client> returns from where 09:29 <+ws-client> where is the map data 09:29 < bridge> get_ram 09:29 < bridge> the map data stays on the host 09:29 <+ws-client> how does the mod access the host map data? 09:30 < bridge> depending on what u need u'll have getters for it 09:30 <+ws-client> on the host? 09:30 <+ws-client> how do i pass those getters into the mod? 09:30 < bridge> the host makes it visible for the guest 09:30 <+ws-client> how is that different from ccollision? 09:30 <+ws-client> thats exactly that 09:31 <+ws-client> its getters for the map data 09:31 < bridge> it sounded like previously u wanted a function to be called that exist on the host and guest, but on the guest it is modified 09:32 <+ws-client> ye but the guest does not modify collision 09:32 <+ws-client> only bottick 09:32 <+ws-client> which calls collision get tile 09:32 < bridge> ok but why do you need to rely on the host's functions here then anywhere? 09:33 <+ws-client> because only the host has the map data 09:33 <+ws-client> the shared object did not load the map file 09:33 < bridge> no 09:33 < bridge> i meant it like that: 09:33 < bridge> `mod_tick` calls `mod_func` 09:33 < bridge> ``` 09:33 < bridge> [2024-05-25T09:33:28+02:00 ERROR util] crates\settings\src\settings_store.rs:619: invalid type: string "true", expected a boolean 09:33 < bridge> ``` 09:33 < bridge> :monkaStop: 09:33 < bridge> and `mod_func` is modified, tright? 09:33 <+ws-client> yes 09:34 <+ws-client> but mod_func wont be hot 09:34 < bridge> and `mod_func` is used on the host and guest? 09:34 <+ws-client> yes 09:34 < bridge> so what u want is, to not export that symbol? 09:34 <+ws-client> i dont think so 09:34 < bridge> so the guest only knows about `mod_func` of its own 09:34 <+ws-client> nono 09:34 < bridge> and host still uses its own version 09:34 <+ws-client> server also knows it 09:35 < bridge> do u want to binary patch the host or what 09:35 <+ws-client> no 09:35 < bridge> it makes no sense what u want xD 09:35 <+ws-client> omg let me record the video xd 09:35 < bridge> a image is worth a thousand codes 09:35 < bridge> show a video of a debugger where it jumps into the host instead of mod code 09:36 < bridge> i hate only being able to eat liquid-like food 09:36 < bridge> then u can answer your question yourself 09:36 < bridge> i want meat 09:36 < bridge> bcs exactly that symbol is not allowed to be exported 09:39 < bridge> chiller just boot discord and come in voice 09:41 <+ws-client> bruv discord 09:41 <+ws-client> oke sure 09:41 <+ws-client> only cuz im desperate 09:41 < bridge> sry that ur shitty other chat suggestion only worked with 5 fps :lol: 09:42 < bridge> chillerdragon: when add voice channels to your chat thingy 09:42 <+ws-client> <:justatest:572499997178986510> 09:42 <+ws-client> that seems complicated 09:42 <+ws-client> i doubt id get anything useful to work 09:42 < bridge> would be beyond epyc.. if it works with 30fps+ 09:43 <+ws-client> i rly liked the "just works" matrix urls 09:43 <+ws-client> which one was it again jopsti? 09:44 < bridge> wat 09:44 < bridge> u want discord invite link? 09:44 < bridge> https://discord.gg/73qNkDUB 09:44 <+ws-client> the matrix one 09:44 <+ws-client> tha matrix video room things 09:44 <+ws-client> without account 09:44 < bridge> ah 09:44 < bridge> chat.element.io 09:44 < bridge> or call.element.io 09:45 <+ws-client> i think discord banned me again 09:45 <+ws-client> classic 09:45 <+ws-client> i cant join ddnet srv 09:45 < bridge> https://call.element.io/room/#/chillergo?roomId=!vminybvEDwkiyHfRZr:call.ems.host&password=zua4_VBal2OZjLGhocZFVA 09:45 < bridge> come no excuses 09:45 < bridge> i dont need more than 5 fps 09:46 <+ws-client> bit sad that it doesnt work on firefox ._. 09:46 < bridge> tja 09:46 <+ws-client> im in da call 09:49 < bridge> hehe im listening and they dont even realise 09:53 < bridge> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52719364/how-to-use-the-attribute-visibilitydefault 09:57 < bridge> pornpornporn! 10:02 < bridge> class __attribute__((visibility("default"))) Foo {...}; 10:02 < bridge> class __attribute__((visibility("hidden"))) Foo {...}; 10:08 < bridge> keine gegner 10:12 < bridge> i had to reboot 10:12 < bridge> my keyboard was non-functional after i let the memory leak do its thing 10:12 < bridge> WTF windows 10:12 < bridge> i thought you were smarter 10:12 < bridge> listening to chiller and jupsti hyping themself up is better than any podcast there is 10:13 < bridge> :kek: 10:13 < bridge> assuming the userspace component of the shell crashed and had to restart 10:13 < bridge>