00:11 < bridge> idk 00:12 < bridge> where is the file 00:12 < bridge> so what IS the way to update the stuff then 00:12 < bridge> this 00:12 < bridge> please move it 00:13 < bridge> again, i just cloned the repository from github directly into ddnet-harry 00:13 < bridge> can't help you if you're not gonna try what i propose 00:14 < bridge> i’m so confused 00:14 < bridge> cant try what you propose if you dont elaborate 00:14 < bridge> where should it be moved to 00:14 < bridge> yea sass me that's gonna help XD 00:14 < bridge> melon can help u 00:14 < bridge> im gonna go do other things 00:15 < bridge> i just want to update the config file to change the name what am i meant to do? i’ve updated at that path and it doesn’t do anything. i’ve added a myServerconfig file and that doesn’t do anything 00:17 < bridge> @heinrich5991 do you think there is a proper way to disable whispers? i thought about maybe whispering back that the player does not receive whisper messages but that would need to be translated. 00:30 < bridge> where should i put maps 00:30 < bridge> i downloaded this repo 00:30 < bridge> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-maps 00:43 < bridge> i’ve given up with config files i just want maps now icl 01:50 < ws-client> > what do you think of vim motions in the f1 console? xdd 01:51 < ws-client> @teero777 I added emacs motions but they got removed with new line inputs :( 01:51 < ws-client> i still keep pressing them without anything happening :( 04:55 < bridge> -j option will work as -j$(nproc), no? 06:17 < bridge> -j is usually ideal 07:47 < bridge> Not with make 09:45 < bridge> :monkaStop: 09:45 < bridge> xd 09:51 < bridge> At this Point He should Just give remote Access so i can do it :gigachad: 10:10 < bridge> Student & able to figure it out 😄 I know a lot of students who are studying CS and they dont know how to use Linux or even more worse: Microsoft Excel 10:10 < bridge> ah 10:10 < bridge> i don’t know students 10:11 < bridge> maybe i will next semester 10:11 < bridge> I'd say 35% of my bachelor's degree class were like this xD 10:11 < bridge> I'd expect them to know bash basics If they call themself Cybersecurity smth xD 10:11 < bridge> Assumptions over assumptions. They know how to fill out forms with XSS 10:11 < bridge> my mom’s friend took a cybersecurity class and she was telling me that she learned how to make a DNZ 10:11 < bridge> Im studying at uni computer science and am a neanderthal 😬 10:11 < bridge> And they got the info from stackoverflow 10:12 < bridge> im like idk what a DNZ is but do u mean a DMZ 10:12 < bridge> and she was like oh yea 10:12 < bridge> bless her 10:12 < bridge> xDDD 10:12 < bridge> Lol 10:12 < bridge> Typical CS student 10:12 < bridge> Hahahah 10:12 < bridge> u got ur own language bro ur chilling 10:12 < bridge> im over here with my little scripts and PRs 10:12 < bridge> nothing like a real project 10:13 < bridge> I finished the 0.7 tee renderer, now I can do cool stuff like this :kek: 10:13 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1240215345495674922/image.png?ex=6645c00c&is=66446e8c&hm=144a151e141e43dfcc3d9e644e23d50aa323b577cf2d29c64a707af33f77b2cd& 10:13 < bridge> but i don’t think that’s a knowledge thing just depression 10:13 < bridge> I was invited to a cybersecurity class once, it was horrible 10:13 < bridge> Looks nice 👍 10:14 < bridge> Is it able to render 0.6 aswell? 10:14 < bridge> ty 10:14 < bridge> yup, first message is 0.6 10:14 < bridge> and for the second i joined using the 0.7 client 10:14 < bridge> Oh, nice 10:14 < bridge> You get the info from ddnet master, no? 10:14 < bridge> yea 10:14 < bridge> Ah so its unified already, thats good tho 10:15 < bridge> I need to make stricter types for the master data, but so far this looks clean-ish 10:15 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1240216017821630504/image.png?ex=6645c0ac&is=66446f2c&hm=fe79f96d5ec9bcc7df99149412ec804e2673e116663e7c9d7a5fc2994d0cd8f2& 10:15 < bridge> write some docs! 10:16 < bridge> 😛 10:16 < bridge> https://sans3108.github.io/DDNet 10:16 < bridge> I mean about how to render a 0.7 tee ^^ 10:16 < bridge> it's all there 10:16 < bridge> ohh 10:16 < bridge> uhm 10:16 < bridge> I kinda winged it 10:16 < bridge> I'd say it looks close enough tho 10:18 < bridge> I tried my best to make the code for the 0.7 renderer be as easily understandable as I could 10:18 < bridge> https://github.com/Sans3108/DDNet/blob/master/src/classes/skins/TeeSkin7.ts 10:18 < bridge> Positions for each of the parts I've pulled out of thin air lol 10:31 < bridge> morning MLIR and LLVM devs and others 10:32 < bridge> Morning Rust enjoyers and Others 10:32 < bridge> @melona.3650 i got a new 240L aquarium 10:32 < bridge> @blaiszephyr i got a new 240L aquarium 10:32 < bridge> Who is melona 10:32 < bridge> but no fish yet 10:32 < bridge> idk 10:32 < bridge> Are you cheating on me 10:32 < bridge> yes :justatest: 10:32 < bridge> :poggers2: :poggers2: :owo: :owo: :owo: :owo: 10:32 < bridge> 10:32 < bridge> :feelsbadman: :monkaStop: :MonkaS: 10:33 < bridge> bought it on ebay 10:33 < bridge> for 250€ with equipment 10:33 < bridge> its a steal 10:33 < bridge> this usually costs 750€ or more 10:35 < bridge> I just noticed how heavy water is 😄 10:35 < bridge> That acquarium would be 240 kilos just with water in it 10:35 < bridge> yep 10:36 < bridge> it also came with the thing u put the aquarium on 10:36 < bridge> you also need a layer of substrate/ gravel 10:36 < bridge> of 5cm 10:36 < bridge> atleast 10:36 < bridge> LOL good idea. I think it would break my table. I didn't even think about it 10:36 < bridge> and if u make it pretty some rocks and wood 10:37 < bridge> yes with big aquarium u need to take lot of care where you place it 10:37 < bridge> also it should be leveled 10:37 < bridge> or u put more pressure in 1 place 10:38 < bridge> btw the bigger the aquarium the easier to maintain 10:38 < bridge> because parameters stay stable against changes for longer 10:39 < bridge> cuz more buffer 10:40 < bridge> That sounds sensible 10:40 < bridge> Lessons learned: Think big 10:40 < bridge> nano aquariums are the hardest 10:41 < bridge> Learath plans his own waterpark now 😎 10:42 < bridge> some teaching: a aquarium needs a cycle, fish waste turns into amonia, so u need a filter where bacteria live and turns it into nitrite and then nitrate (or the other way around i forgot) then it's safe for fish and plant food 10:45 < bridge> As a natural filter, you could get something like this: https://www.donauauen.at/en/facts/nature-science/fauna-engl/freshwater-mussel 10:46 < bridge> My parents bought a few of them, so the fishies have a great place. Some fish also use this as "lovehotel" 10:47 < bridge> ye but thats not viable in a closed aquarium xd 10:50 < bridge> There might be some species for closed aquariums 10:51 < bridge> but you need atleast 1m^3 10:51 < bridge> but you need atleast 1m^3 of water 10:51 < bridge> but you need atleast 1m^3 of water for one mussel 😄 10:55 < bridge> xd 10:56 < xjh> How to set up a KOG server on Ubuntu 10:56 < bridge> btw the cycle is why you should never ever put fish in a aquarium you just set up 10:56 < bridge> you need to let it cycle for some weeks so bacteria live 10:56 < bridge> or ur fish die 10:56 < bridge> i think kog is private 10:57 < bridge> @avolicious u can answer xd 10:57 < bridge> they're apparently planning on open-sourcing it, but it's not done yet 10:57 < bridge> see this 10:58 < bridge> did i miss news? is kog dying? 10:58 < bridge> no. see surroundings 10:58 < xjh> I can't understand the tutorial on github 10:59 < xjh> Can someone teach me or is there a tutorial 11:00 < bridge> i think u can still run custom kog servers 11:00 < bridge> Gores* 11:00 < bridge> don’t they provide a server binary somewhere? 11:00 < bridge> not KoG 11:00 < bridge> ah 11:00 < bridge> Old one tho 11:00 < bridge> Windows, DDNet 9 binary is available on our website 11:01 < bridge> Windows, DDNet 9 based binary is available on our website 11:05 < bridge> ah. I'd suggest you open-source the variant you're actually running (i.e. don't strip the non-bare metal parts, at most make it runnable on bare metal, but even that is not necessary). otherwise it's bound to get out of sync 11:06 < bridge> But you cant chat nor use commands nor login into rcon 11:06 < bridge> You cant add sql 11:07 < bridge> I'm asking from a preservation angle, I guess. it could be made to work if someone wants to restart kog after it dies 11:08 < bridge> i.e. the work you want to do could be done after a disaster, doesn't have to be done now 11:09 < bridge> Mhmmm, I would need to open source everything then 11:10 < xjh> There are still many people who play ddrace in China 11:12 < bridge> Terraform, Ansible, Descriptions of how to setup staged vault, how to setup kubectl, how to build & deploy, CI/CD 11:12 < bridge> So the easier way even after KoG would die is to move the gameplay parts to ddnet instead 11:12 < bridge> so you can run vanilla ddnet 11:12 < xjh> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-scripts Is this URL the code deployed by the kog server?,There's no readme file. 11:12 < bridge> no, its ddnet 11:12 < xjh> this one ? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet 11:12 < bridge> its also ddnet 11:13 < xjh> Em 11:13 < xjh> So which one is kog's 11:14 < xjh> Thank you for your help 11:15 < bridge> but that could also be done after the fact, if you'd open-source your current game server implementation. even if it's not runnable on its own 11:16 < bridge> The current implementation implies to open source everything. You basically cant run it, there are no commands, no rcon, no database 11:18 < bridge> you cant even load cfgs like votes 11:18 < bridge> but the gameplay is completely in the game server, is it not? 11:18 < bridge> kog does not have one. it’s a closed source product 11:18 < bridge> so you don't have to open-source everything, just the game server. even if it's not runnable 11:18 < bridge> Yes, gameplay/physics are handled by the gameserver 11:18 < bridge> +1 11:18 < bridge> this guys did their best on some icpc kind thinga and cant even use anything properly 11:21 < xjh> That is to say, there is no kog server now, and those previous kog servers are the shell of ddnet? 11:23 < xjh> I don't really understand what you mean, it's a bit of a barrier to comprehension because I don't speak English very well 11:26 < bridge> hey xjh, idk if kog has their irc bridge or something similar to interact, but yep, ddnet is not affiliated with kog directly 11:29 < xjh> yes, I thought kog was just a special mode of ddnet 11:31 < xjh> Thank you guys, thank you very much for your help, I'm going to ask how other people in China set up servers 12:11 < bridge> Sure, but all the data is coming from other services like Agones/K8s 12:11 < bridge> So the gameserver just handles physics 12:11 < bridge> We are also using quilkin 12:12 < bridge> We also use SpiceDB for permissions 12:12 < bridge> And map votes are being retrieved from keydb ( redis ) 12:13 < bridge> Well that doesn't mean you can't open source the ddnet server part with the modifications actually interesting to the wider community. You don't need to make it functional or provide any of the stuff around it if you don't want to. No? 12:14 < bridge> But you have to provide proper documentation atleast 12:14 < bridge> otherwise the open source project is useless for me 12:16 < bridge> Mh, not everything we do is documented either. Look at the jumble of scripts that run ddnet. Anyway, just wanted to get a better understanding of why you operate the way you do 12:16 < bridge> because its easier to scale 12:17 < bridge> Whether the ddnet part of your code is open source or not doesn't really have much to do with scaling 12:17 < bridge> It does. Software has to be adopted to be scalable 12:18 < bridge> I'm confused. how does the scalability of kog depend on whether you open source the kog game server? 12:18 < bridge> I don't even understand that argument 12:18 < bridge> Oh god 12:20 < bridge> because you cant operate the KoG GameServer. You cant run it on your machine. 12:20 < bridge> 12:20 < bridge> You said its totally fine, which I agree on. But if people cant run it to develop, where is the benefit for KoG? 12:20 < bridge> To run it, we need proper documentation, so people can develop stuff & test it 12:20 < bridge> Why don't you just say that from the start? It makes sense now 12:21 < bridge> there's no immediate benefit to kog. there's a benefit for the community. it can try running kog servers 10 or 20 years into the future 12:21 < bridge> That's a weak argument. The answer is always, we'll release before our project dies 12:22 < bridge> when the project dies, it no longer has the resources to open source 12:22 < bridge> in the common case 12:22 < bridge> In case kog dies, you can have the gameserver as is. Then I dont care about any documentation anymore 😄 12:22 < bridge> see e.g. teerace. or teedata 12:22 < bridge> teerace's DB vanished 12:22 < bridge> What we ask of them is in essence ideological, if he doesn't agree with the ideology there isn't much of a way to convince them 12:22 < bridge> The database will not be open source 12:22 < bridge> teedata doesn't publish their DB anymore 12:22 < bridge> never 12:22 < bridge> not even after kog dies? 12:23 < bridge> the rank db? 12:23 < bridge> No, maybe redacted 12:23 < bridge> Yeah, just the finishes maybe 12:23 < bridge> :feelsbadman: 12:23 < bridge> the real thing is gone 12:23 < bridge> but all the tickets, emails and whatsoerver will be removed 12:23 < bridge> ofcc 12:23 < bridge> ofc 12:23 < bridge> but I'm telling you from experience that it doesn't work. if you don't open something while the project, it will usually be gone when the project is dead 12:24 < bridge> Those are of no value to the community anyway 12:24 < bridge> I've seen plenty of teeworlds projects vanish 12:24 < bridge> that's why I try to archive stuff while the projects are still running 12:29 < bridge> These discussions always boil down to a couple of core values. In this case it's benevolence. Liking the community doesn't mean you contribute to it with no expectation of return, unless you are benevolent 12:29 < bridge> ok. maybe kog is benevolent to the community 12:30 < bridge> Well we can hope 🙂 12:34 < bridge> After getting involved with more career and business minded people, I've noticed that this small community we have gathered here is more an exception than the norm. We are far too open compared to anyone else I see 12:35 < bridge> maybe kog will understand that as teeworlds players a lot of their user base will understand what it means to be open source and why that’s good 12:35 < bridge> think of how many contributions ddnet has gotten thanks to ppl browsing free games on steam 12:35 < bridge> and eventually making some stuff 12:35 < bridge> Why is "too open" a bad thing? 12:35 < bridge> I woudln't necessarily expect contributors popping up at kog's door step just because the code is out there 12:36 < bridge> you’d he surprised 12:36 < bridge> you’d be surprised 12:36 < bridge> lots of ppl just want to make a name for themselves in open source work now 12:36 < bridge> It's not IMO. But I've been among people with this mindset since I was 10. I'm obviously extremely biased 12:37 < bridge> Yeah, I would say it's an anomaly 12:37 < bridge> Even among the related free games developed for decades 12:37 < bridge> is your gf foss? :troll: 12:38 < bridge> :pepeW: 12:38 < bridge> I should have become a cool investor 12:38 < bridge> jesus 12:38 < bridge> how do u cope lerato 12:39 < bridge> Hyperfocusing on work so I don't have time to think 12:39 < bridge> god if only 12:39 < bridge> Lots of music so I can't hear my own thoughts when not working 12:39 < bridge> Tunnel vision is actually good many times 12:39 < bridge> i like the tunnel vision 12:40 < bridge> i sort of realized lately that my adhd tendencies are terrible for trying to keep working at something 12:40 < bridge> It's very scary how focused I can get sometimes yet sometimes I can't focus on anything and waste entire days 12:42 < bridge> always hyperfocused and then burnout for increasing periods of time 12:42 < bridge> yeah 12:42 < bridge> lots of it is life 12:42 < bridge> yea I have the same experience 12:42 < bridge> u need multiple facets 12:42 < bridge> I definitely need a very understanding and flexible boss. I will get things done, just on my timetable not yours :/ 12:42 < bridge> Some days I write 5 lines. Some days I get 3 days of work done 12:42 < bridge> most days i wake up at 3 pm and listen to music and don’t eat and play games until my body tells me to sleep 12:42 < bridge> now I get work done one in ten days at best 12:42 < bridge> idk how it got like this 12:42 < bridge> I was like indoctrinated now that I think about it 😄 The people who helped me while I learned programming were all almost militant open source enjoyers 12:44 < bridge> You are me, but 3 years ago. I don't have any idea how I snapped out of it, but it just randomly fixed itself. So no advice 12:44 < bridge> damn 12:45 < bridge> i think it would be pretty easy to get out if an employer gave me a chance 12:45 < bridge> i tend to do well with a schedule 12:45 < bridge> but it is near impossible to keep one with nothing to do 12:45 < bridge> Waking up and seeing the sky dark was when I fixed my sleep. That is very upsetting to see 12:45 < bridge> the very worst 12:46 < bridge> Somedays I can wake up at four am and be productive for like 8hrs straight and one some days I can't even manage to wake up at noon 12:46 < bridge> And then I'm kinda depressed that I wasted so many hours 12:46 < bridge> Oh wait this isn't #off-topic 12:47 < bridge> We derailed heinrich's attempt at getting avo to open source kog 12:47 < bridge> it’s not happening anyway 12:47 < bridge> Just the mod or everything 12:47 < bridge> avo would rather make sure his product is scalable as it sits on his hard drive than usable by others in any capacity 12:48 < bridge> Yeah, I fear it's a more fundamental disagreement on values that won't be resolved over a conversation 12:48 < bridge> i wouldn’t be upset if kog died 12:48 < bridge> maybe the ranks would be missed 12:48 < bridge> I care about just the mod 12:49 < bridge> honestly the mod adds like 3 things which could be reimplemented in less than a week by a knowledgeable developer 12:49 < bridge> all strong, no buffer hammer, moving freeze 12:49 < bridge> what else… 12:49 < bridge> U dont like kog that much huh 😬 12:50 < bridge> its a valid point 12:50 < bridge> my resume is 100% open source experience 12:51 < bridge> but it’s not enough for these snotty ski jackoffs 12:51 < bridge> Good luck in the job market bozo. 5 years of professional experience required 12:51 < bridge> if u didn’t spend at least 5 figures on tuition you can say goodbye to any glimpse of a career u had 12:51 < bridge> ddnet helped me find the job i have 12:51 < bridge> did the market change that much in 3 years 12:51 < bridge> i already have 3y xp lol 12:51 < bridge> seems you live in a less saturated market 12:52 < bridge> or maybe my projects are more interesting :EZ: 12:52 < bridge> but what about your first job 12:52 < bridge> btw they aproached me for the job 12:52 < bridge> i didnt search for it 12:52 < bridge> rub it in xd 12:52 < bridge> Didn't you have a paypal wrapper or something? Companies love anything that involves money and payments 12:53 < bridge> was like a internship u have to do 12:53 < bridge> have to? 12:53 < bridge> I've considered putting up a repo called "libdollar" or "libmoney" 12:53 < bridge> in spain its called "grado superior" and to get the title u have to do 4 month internship 12:53 < bridge> unpaid or paid 12:53 < bridge> usually unpaid 12:53 < bridge> Probably part of his education, it's called a curricular internship. 12:54 < bridge> ah education 12:54 < bridge> good one 12:54 < bridge> easiest way to get 1st job is via education 12:54 < bridge> Or connections 12:54 < bridge> my first job got me connectionts 12:54 < bridge> to the second job 12:54 < bridge> and then i had xp to get aproached by current job 12:54 < bridge> so funny 12:55 < bridge> I'll hire you dw 12:55 < bridge> don’t tease me 12:56 < bridge> This catch 22 is just ridiculous, and I can't tell who it benefits 12:56 < bridge> employers want devs with field experience because the standard of education is getting lower and lower 12:56 < bridge> It doesn't seem like a matter of convenience, or necessity for anyone 12:56 < bridge> HR costs are lower when you can just discard a lot of resumes outright 12:57 < bridge> I guess the filters are for me 12:57 < bridge> And yeah universities produce horrible software engineers 12:57 < bridge> But thank god they learned electromagnetism and chemistry 12:57 < bridge> right 12:57 < bridge> This is how all the "get a job" advice feels 12:57 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1240256844073537597/GNZItEzawAAQmAn.jpg?ex=6645e6b2&is=66449532&hm=ea51dd265b8828d4664f29ce1fe6f52d10e4400ad56a8ecd0ca2bc0682ec330b& 12:58 < bridge> yea 12:58 < bridge> 10 keywords for your resume 12:58 < bridge> But have you considered building one? 12:58 < bridge> not so easy without experience 12:58 < bridge> Then you'll get web development job offers 😄 12:58 < bridge> :feelsbadman: 12:59 < bridge> Or I see "the cloud" 12:59 < bridge> It's all AI this cloud that 12:59 < bridge> Exactly what am I supposed to learn about "the cloud" 12:59 < bridge> Programming I can get and learn, I can see what it means, the cloud seems like just learning what each of Google, oracle, Amazon, Microsoft's marketing buzzwords mean 13:00 < bridge> It's not... Anything 13:00 < bridge> It's all overwhelming and I don't know what to begin or do 13:00 < bridge> it’s mainly a corporate circle jerk 13:00 < bridge> yes there are some things that might separate the cloud from other established techs but it’s mostly marketing built on top of web tech 13:01 < bridge> If you want a devops or it job I hear cloud certifications can help. And btw you do need some experience with those things to get a job in that area, the AWS and GCP consoles were created for a different breed of human 13:01 < bridge> It feels like operating a spaceship, mostly so you lose track of what you are doing and spend thousands 13:02 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1240257902678380626/GLP1Y-PWcAA65za.jpg?ex=6645e7ae&is=6644962e&hm=11660b314dc1e17f5ca31cb901b357b81a41572938ec684c7e9f67bc007b16d8& 13:02 < bridge> How many words can they make up for the same thing 13:02 < bridge> they have teams of people whose only job it is to come up with said names 13:02 < bridge> Another friend of mine works at a mid-large company, a colleague of his made a configuration error that cost almost 200k$ over the weekend 13:02 < bridge> where do u think those billions go 13:03 < bridge> Yeah it does seem like the purpose is to swindle you at least slightly 13:03 < bridge> Not even slightly 13:04 < bridge> I only know the GCP names of things, and a couple AWS equivalents 13:05 < bridge> this stuff kinda turns my stomach 13:05 < bridge> Me too 13:05 < bridge> I see this and feel anxiety 13:06 < bridge> seems like a lot of it is created for the sole purpose of giving people something to do 13:06 < bridge> more people need more jobs 13:06 < bridge> and i get it 13:06 < bridge> but damn 13:06 < bridge> I like the ideas behind some of it, I'm not the biggest enjoyer of how corporate is though 13:07 < bridge> i know MLIR so i got my niche 13:07 < bridge> and LLVM 13:07 < bridge> someone from intel.com aproached me 13:07 < bridge> u told us 13:07 < bridge> Like serverless architectures (Lambda, Cloud Functions) are a cute idea or Event driven architectures (pub/sub) 13:07 < bridge> no need to flex more 13:07 < bridge> :owo: 13:08 < bridge> Ur depressing Ewan with your job prospects 13:08 < bridge> i rly am happy for u but the last thing i wanna hear about is how well ur career is going 13:08 < bridge> do more projects 13:08 < bridge> impossible 13:09 < bridge> Honestly, I agree. Do more projects and apply to smaller places where they can actually take time to look at your portfolio 13:09 < bridge> but not typical web projects 13:09 < bridge> do something more interesting 13:09 < bridge> I've been trying for a month, submitted 15, and am still yet to talk to a real person 13:09 < bridge> give up and get a job at the grocery store 13:09 < bridge> this market is not for us 13:09 < bridge> Because amazon, google, facebook and those kinds are just mass discarding resumes with some algorithm 13:10 < bridge> It might be okay if it were just Amazon, Google, and Facebook 13:10 < bridge> unless u come from some kind of money or incredible willpower to work on projects nonstop there’s basically no way 13:10 < bridge> Some mid sized local companies still respect decent university names, so you can try the education route 13:11 < bridge> The earlier friend I mentioned who doesn't shell without gpt submitted a whopping 400 applications before landing his job 13:11 < bridge> He always tells me I'm not applying enough. He must be right 😄 13:14 < bridge> I'm straight up unable to do that 13:14 < bridge> I don't have the mental stamina required to write 400 cover letters 13:14 < bridge> The fucking cover letters 13:14 < bridge> God 13:14 < bridge> I might as well give up already if that's what it takes 13:14 < bridge> i can’t even write one 13:14 < bridge> All of that effort for 99.75% of them to go in a shredder 13:14 < bridge> Not all jobs require them. But he is a gpt enjoyer, he probably wrote like 5 cover letters and made gpt remix and adjust them per job 13:15 < bridge> i am taking a kind of employment counseling from someone who says otherwise 13:15 < bridge> apparently millennials were taught they don’t matter as much but when many of them went to apply employers were looking for them 13:16 < bridge> and they’re still ‘in’ 13:16 < bridge> market differs in places tho 13:16 < bridge> thats true, apply everywhere even if u dont meet 13:16 < bridge> requirements 13:16 < bridge> I didn't say they don't matter. I said not all places require them 13:16 < bridge> i never wrote a cover letter 13:16 < bridge> well it’s hard to tell where it will and won’t matter 13:17 < bridge> and 9 times out of 10 it strengthens your application anyway 13:17 < bridge> yes they reached out to u 13:17 < bridge> i applied to jobs too 13:17 < bridge> 👍 13:17 < bridge> For big big companies it might be a waste of your time. Their ai hr will discard your resume immediately when it can't spot your 5 years of work experience. But in general yeah just apply everywhere 13:17 < bridge> they also play the big game 13:17 < bridge> they bot the messages 13:17 < bridge> so u play the game too 13:18 < bridge> the hr guy wont notice 13:18 < bridge> Exactly. If you need a cover letter. Just gpt it. They wont hesitate to have gpt read it 13:18 < bridge> the recruiter definitely will notice a cover letter 13:18 < bridge> gpt it 13:19 < bridge> i hate this world 13:19 < bridge> i don’t wanna play that fucking game 13:19 < bridge> i just wanna be honest 13:19 < bridge> it doesn't matter for big companies 13:19 < bridge> for smaller companies, maybe 13:20 < bridge> (I don't mean gpt it as the zoozers do it for their homework, do it properly, use it as a tool, dont make it so the entire thing) 13:20 < bridge> I had one point where I had to record videos talking into a camera 13:20 < bridge> i did one of those 13:20 < bridge>