01:46 < bridge> <Ewan> lmfao
01:47 < bridge> <Ewan> so i had process monitor running on my computer like an hour ago
01:47 < bridge> <Ewan> apparently League won't let you play if process monitor was even running at any point in your machine's uptime
01:48 < bridge> <Ewan> so i queued up and then went to get into the game then i get this error https://2143.christmas/f/WCWr.png
01:48 < bridge> <Ewan> and by the time i was able to get everything saved, closed, my computer restarted, and back into league, i get a leaverbuster warning
01:49 < bridge> <Ewan> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230666616765677579/image.png?ex=6634269a&is=6621b19a&hm=808131dd3b7d86072106c4fadcf6cc142c1ed192058e7e46ecc2a01f84f186af&
01:50 < bridge> <Ewan> i can't believe this game is actually scolding me over something IT did
01:50 < bridge> <Ewan> the people at riot need to get their head checked
01:57 < bridge> <Ewan> also for anyone using GHA Linux runners: https://github.blog/changelog/2024-04-02-github-actions-hardware-accelerated-android-virtualization-now-available/
01:57 < bridge> <Ewan> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230668109892026470/IMG_5304.png?ex=663427fe&is=6621b2fe&hm=b18f342b986ca86e17c150a04621301335c0389264f6a045f50a66e32f822240&
03:02 < bridge> <kdaniel> can you tell it on the other discord dont know what you writing about now. just randomly saw this message
03:56 < bridge> <TsFreddie> sometimes I get really bad ideas
03:56 < bridge> <TsFreddie> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230698041393287249/image.png?ex=663443de&is=6621cede&hm=85d3de9a3bbfe7e4e21a8f88860b24c83dbe550fc4b3ad3d5e3e483bb7bdd89e&
08:39 < bridge> <meloƞ> Lgtm!
08:49 < bridge> <TsFreddie> ~~me when I really want operator overloads in javascript~~
08:50 < bridge> <TsFreddie> it looks so bad
10:12 < bridge> <TsFreddie> javascript
10:13 < bridge> <learath2> for once I'm actually baffled, does that work or is that a dream of yours?
10:13 < bridge> <TsFreddie> it does work
10:14 < bridge> <milkeeycat> Welcome to JavaScript land :justatest:
10:14 < bridge> <TsFreddie> let me grab the oini function
10:14 < bridge> <learath2> What is an oini?
10:14 < bridge> <TsFreddie> just a function i worte
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie> ```typescript
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie> interface OiniOptions<TA, TB, TC> {
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie>   operators: { [operator: string]: (a: TA, b: TB) => TC };
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie> }
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie> 
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie> export const oini =
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie>   <TA, TB, TC>(options: OiniOptions<TA, TB, TC>) =>
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie>   (template: TemplateStringsArray, a: TA, b: TB) => {
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie>     const operator = template[1].trim();
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie>     const operatorFunction = options.operators[operator];
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie>     if (!operatorFunction) {
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie>       throw new Error(`Operator ${operator} not found`);
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie>     }
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie>     return operatorFunction(a, b);
10:15 < bridge> <TsFreddie>   };
10:24 < bridge> <milkeeycat> Fair
10:34 < bridge> <learath2> One day I'll sit down and learn more compiler theory. It's something I'm heavily lacking in
10:34 < bridge> <ryozuki> its ez
10:36 < bridge> <TsFreddie> it's not if i don't want to think about it
09:13 < bridge> <milkeeycat> Why not just do smth like a.mul(b).add(a.sub(b)) :justatest:
09:13 < bridge> <milkeeycat> Why not do smth like a.mul(b).add(a.sub(b)) :justatest:
09:21 < bridge> <TsFreddie> > me when I really want operator overloads in javascript
09:23 < bridge> <TsFreddie> t was just a experiment.
11:35  * CherryEx slaps fstd around a bit with a large fishbot
10:40 < bridge> <TsFreddie> video games
10:41 < bridge> <learath2> Makes sense. I was last messing around with Unity about 8 years ago
10:41 < bridge> <TsFreddie> basically
10:41 < bridge> <learath2> You can write a babel plugin to do the interpreting at compile time 😄
11:59 < bridge> <learath2> tis a nice and simple algorithm too
12:00 < bridge> <TsFreddie> i know it by other names
12:01 < bridge> <learath2> Ah, that would make sense
12:01 < bridge> <ryozuki> didnt i send it some daysago
14:18 < bridge> <meloƞ> Do it yourself :angy:  (Not Home for another hour)
14:19 < bridge> <milkeeycat> Can someone generate max size ddnet map filled with some blocks and send it pls
14:21 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230855815930450071/image.png?ex=6634d6ce&is=662261ce&hm=34b0921f94f7145048e08202296689ca5be19379e6f049968cc00c35325a03cb&
14:22 < bridge> <milkeeycat> is there a change if i try to edit it, client wil crash?
14:22 < bridge> <milkeeycat> is there a change if i try to edit it, client will crash?
14:22 < bridge> <milkeeycat> is there a chance if i try to edit it, client will crash?
14:23 < bridge> <teero777> no if you change your renderer to opengl 1.4
14:23 < bridge> <milkeeycat> opengl 1.4 >  vulkan :gigachad:
14:24 < bridge> <milkeeycat> if you already have a map can you just record a short demo :justatest:
14:24 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230856439208218665/max_size.map?ex=6623b3e3&is=66226263&hm=e11f06b55fbbe8a5990feda87b0f3bdee556404a61d990f2187a9cc0aef628ef&
14:24 < bridge> <teero777> wdym don't wanna download a 83mb map?
14:24 < bridge> <milkeeycat> holy hell
14:29 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230857689886883930/2024-04-19_14-25-48.mp4?ex=6634d88d&is=6622638d&hm=698815652e4eccbfa9643623ff52a8c9b349268860824796727eaddab505330e&
14:32 < bridge> <milkeeycat> I need a .demo file xd
14:33 < bridge> <teero777> Man
14:33 < bridge> <teero777> So high expectations
14:33 < bridge> <milkeeycat> Xd
14:33 < bridge> <teero777> I tried adding a front layer for start and finish objects but my PC crashed while saving
14:34 < bridge> <teero777> Looks like I don't have enough ram(16gb) 🐏
14:34 < bridge> <teero777> I tried adding a front layer for start and finish tiles but my PC crashed while saving
14:35 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> wtf is that
14:37 < bridge> <teero777> teeworlds afaik
14:37 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> bot test maüp
14:37 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 😬
14:37 < bridge> <teero777> average kog map
14:37 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> how tall is it in dimensions?
14:37 < bridge> <milkeeycat> I play such maps to warm up
14:37 < bridge> <teero777> 23170x23170
14:37 < bridge> <teero777> max size afaik
14:37 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 8.5GB VRAM mh
14:37 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230859612152922172/image.png?ex=6634da57&is=66226557&hm=425a25bec644a28bef8198a86dd8c0232d9612f12e6904582246407d9dba2815&
14:37 < bridge> <teero777> use opengl xdd
14:37 < bridge> <teero777> use opengl 1.4 xdd
14:37 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> the max limit should be much higher
14:37 < bridge> <teero777> we discussed this already lmao
14:37 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i know
14:37 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> we did
14:37 < bridge> <teero777> it is flattened
14:37 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> dd-pg's limit is u16::MAX - 1
14:38 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> per axis
14:39 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> thanks to this limitation vram dropped by 4 bytes per vertex
14:44 < bridge> <teero777> yea but since we are flattening the 2d array and only use integers for doing stuff to it it would max out at sqrt(2^31)
14:46 < bridge> <teero777> yea but since we are flattening the 2d array and only use integers for doing stuff to it it would max out at sqrt(2^31) per axis
14:46 < bridge> <teero777> and some other thing was there that it was halved
14:46 < bridge> <teero777> put that on the list that rust ddnet fixes
14:46 < bridge> <teero777> put that on the list of what rust ddnet fixes
14:46 < bridge> <teero777> also make chunk based loading :D
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> so u16::MAX xd
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ok bit less
14:47 < bridge> <teero777> ?
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> but why 2^31
14:47 < bridge> <teero777> 2^16 = 65536
14:47 < bridge> <teero777> since we dont use uints
14:47 < bridge> <teero777> we use ints!
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ah no, it's bcs we reverse 1 bit
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> for if the tile exists or not
14:47 < bridge> <teero777> really?
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> yes
14:47 < bridge> <teero777> well if we the iterators would overlflow anyway
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 46340
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ah wait
14:47 < bridge> <teero777> i am trying rn
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> u talk about opengl 1.x
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> true, they use ints
14:47 < bridge> <teero777> and vulkan uses exponential memory
14:47 < bridge> <teero777> so my pc crashes lmao
14:47 < bridge> <teero777> fix pls
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> to load 46340x46340 map 
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> => 17 179 164 800 bytes VRAM are needed
14:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> so 17 GB VRAM
14:48 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> using dd-pg
14:48 < bridge> <teero777> thats alot
14:48 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i mean you load a 160MB file basically
14:48 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> imagine loading a png of that size at once
14:49 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ur pc would explode
14:49 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> but i should be able to load this on my pc 😄
14:49 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i convert it to dd-pg map file now, let's see if the converter can handle it xD
14:49 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i havent heavily tested it yet
14:50 < bridge> <teero777> lmao
14:50 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230863017801941054/image.png?ex=6634dd83&is=66226883&hm=4bf62122430cd0dd15e623c2bffed35ab16d08a24487662af9178dff36eb27a6&
14:50 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> lmao
14:51 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> so the file reader dislikes it
14:51 < bridge> <teero777> well with external tools like twmap you could probably
14:51 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> the converter didnt crash yet
14:51 < bridge> <egyt> "yet"
14:51 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i wonder how the file size will be
14:51 < bridge> <robyt3> The maximum size of a map is 23170² because of the datafile format, it's not a graphics limitation
14:52 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230863484497956966/image.png?ex=6634ddf3&is=662268f3&hm=91e696cb8a1121683c4fdcec41a6a2f32a0f27abf66199c12443d0f2bb927e27&
14:52 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ah alr
14:52 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> nice it worked
14:52 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 64,1 MiB (67.243.869)
14:52 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ~20 MB smaller
14:56 < bridge> <teero777> oh lolo
14:56 < bridge> <robyt3> You moved sqrt(4) = 2 out of the sqrt
15:00 < bridge> <teero777> https://tenor.com/view/big-cat-fat-cat-fat-cat-scratching-itself-pov-xavier-xavier-gif-9065561171925020984
15:00 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230865702387191818/image.png?ex=6634e003&is=66226b03&hm=216ade0a95dd8dadf9ee28ad9165fb74b41cb50c1ee46117337aa103e3fe3f25&
15:00 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> epyc
15:01 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i think smth killed my process xd
15:01 < bridge> <teero777> lmao i read "Farbeinheit 2,50€"
15:01 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230865904129015859/image.png?ex=6634e033&is=66226b33&hm=da163dce76b716c952e9bf0a8a7a2cefe96727f4c9b80e5aeb01f4a549f57f29&
15:01 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 262 KB alignment xDD
15:02 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> nice requirements
15:02 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> do you have a smaller map?
15:02 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 20k x 20k
15:03 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ah yeah physics layers sadly consume more RAM, bcs they have overlays
15:03 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> maybe do such a map without physics layers
15:08 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230867433015869462/jupkek.map?ex=6634e1a0&is=66226ca0&hm=256da9963eee6dbf1af7781f2cdd6f243bf1284eaf736a814d351bdb79df7cc0&
15:19 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> how big was that?
15:19 < bridge> <teero777> 17777
15:19 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> sadly i got `radv/amdgpu: Not enough memory for command submission.`
15:19 < bridge> <teero777> oke smol map incoming
15:20 < bridge> <_gwendal> most easy gores map out there in 2036
15:20 < bridge> <_gwendal> easiest gores map out there in 2036
15:21 < bridge> <teero777> @jupeyy_keks
15:21 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230870811041333311/jupsti_no_balls.map?ex=6634e4c5&is=66226fc5&hm=959bfb864128dae206112ff749b0d6642329bf78b8d1fb178399061dc0f97877&
15:21 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> that looks small
15:21 < bridge> <teero777> what size do you want?
15:22 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> let try 10k x 10k
15:22 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
15:22 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> and no physics layer if that is possible
15:22 < bridge> <teero777> wdym no physics layers?
15:22 < bridge> <teero777> no game tiles?
15:22 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> well small game tiles, but tbh, maybe it doesnt matter for game layer
15:22 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i think game layer is similar to design layers
15:23 < bridge> <teero777> well thats boring if there is no gameplay
15:23 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ok gimme game layer only
15:23 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i'll try 10kx10k
15:23 < bridge> <teero777> rookie numbers
15:24 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> but dont expect any real gameplay :lol: 
15:24 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
15:24 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> freeze is not implemented. only tune zones, bcs tune zones are cool even for vanilla 😄
15:26 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230872086277525584/jupsti_rookie.map?ex=6634e5f5&is=662270f5&hm=21396a661f0a9cceda099467ca161386641e6dadbcffe09bba094196a503a5ba&
15:27 < bridge> <teero777> if freeze is not there you can atleast go to finish xd
15:27 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230872394793488404/image.png?ex=6634e63f&is=6622713f&hm=35bc55695ad790aaff7caddbae88fcc53ab4edf36147b0e6646ca0c8d11c63e6&
15:27 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 😬
15:28 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> uses around 7.6 GB VRAM
15:28 < bridge> <teero777> opengl 1.x better lmao xd
15:28 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> does it have any spawn point?
15:28 < bridge> <teero777> i forgot
15:29 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> but mine runs zoomed out at 1000 fps
15:29 < bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230872982545760328/jupsti_rookie.map?ex=6634e6cb&is=662271cb&hm=94d53bff94e1098d28da770d5a35a4759ef761499ef768ba3195af7cc5d08787&
15:29 < bridge> <teero777> + spawn
15:30 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230873231683227718/image.png?ex=6634e706&is=66227206&hm=6baf93d2a24aef8a184f882599f906c2df52439b724c3bca633d82f478601c98&
15:31 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> these are kill tiles
15:31 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> btw
15:31 < bridge> <teero777> :o
15:31 < bridge> <teero777> why am i so ugly
15:31 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> xD
15:31 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230873354035269752/image.png?ex=6634e724&is=66227224&hm=1b2d14f2358230217526848173744f97ed6120c533a84edb2892bd6fd35a0be8&
15:31 < bridge> <teero777> i wanna see u play
15:32 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> chill, first need to check if i have enough RAM
15:32 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ingame it sadly also requires the server loading the map
15:32 < bridge> <teero777> [that was my steak](https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1143598323731804221.png?size=160&name=that+was+my+steak)
15:32 < bridge> <teero777> 💀
15:33 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> WORKS
15:33 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230873901152735293/image.png?ex=6634e7a6&is=662272a6&hm=16ef9d0b60ed5949403cfe4a2d992c8b3b382ec911a664cd477f585f0cf257ff&
15:33 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> xd
15:33 < bridge> <teero777> server loading in to vram?
15:33 < bridge> <teero777> server loading into vram?
15:33 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> no, but normal RAM
15:33 < bridge> <teero777> ah ok
15:34 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> for collision and stuff
15:34 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> and client does so too
15:34 < bridge> <teero777> if my 16gb are enugh then your 2tb should we working too xd
15:34 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ok
15:34 < bridge> <teero777> if my 16gb are enough then your 2tb should we working too xd
15:34 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i stream in General 1
15:35 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> ryo nice 2b2t readup you linked 
15:35 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> wait its called writeup ? :D 
15:36 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> anyways ryo 2b2t enjoyer confirmed
15:59 < bridge> <ryozuki> https://mmix.cs.hm.edu/doc/mmix-refcard-a4.pdf
15:59 < bridge> <ryozuki> https://mmix.cs.hm.edu/doc/fasc1.pdf
16:16 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Why wait. Do it today
16:17 < bridge> <learath2> I need less insanely impractical niche skills
16:17 < bridge> <learath2> Not more
16:18 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> rip
16:29 < bridge> <Ewan> No swap?
16:31 < bridge> <Ewan> oh wait
16:31 < bridge> <Ewan> you’re talking about 64GB of swap 💀
16:31 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 😬
16:31 < bridge> <Ewan> too much…
16:31 < bridge> <Ewan> i hope ur disk is fast
16:31 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> sure
16:32 < bridge> <ryozuki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVL_tree
16:32 < bridge> <ryozuki> @learath2 do u know avl trees
16:32 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> not often, but i already had programs that used more than 32GB RAM when compiling
16:32 < bridge> <ryozuki> https://tenor.com/view/flowers-tree-dance-gif-7391218
16:33 < bridge> <learath2> Only that it's a self balancing tree option. Never really looked into why/when one is used
16:33 < bridge> <ryozuki> same, like the linker
16:33 < bridge> <ryozuki> linkers are ram hogs
16:33 < bridge> <ryozuki> but well when u gotta link together libraries that take gbs
16:33 < bridge> <ryozuki> like llvm
16:34 < bridge> <learath2> I only ever implement rb trees when I need one, might be worth learning one more
16:34 < bridge> <ryozuki> and rust linking too
16:34 < bridge> <ryozuki> when it links 8 programs
16:34 < bridge> <ryozuki> at same time
16:34 < bridge> <ryozuki> cuz paralel
16:34 < bridge> <ryozuki> ye a coworker mentioned avl when i mentioned rb
16:35 < bridge> <ryozuki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Computer_Programming
16:42 < bridge> <Ewan> common occurrence
16:43 < bridge> <Ewan> esp w heavy optimization
17:43 < bridge> <ryozuki> @learath2 ur daily dose of C https://github.com/CodaFi/C-Macs
18:04 < bridge> <TsFreddie> in my mind rb is associated with spinning drives for whatever reason
18:05 < bridge> <TsFreddie> my first instinct when needing a balanced bst was always avl
18:05 < bridge> <TsFreddie> rb feels old to me but i dont have any reasons
18:08 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Ryo the c dev
18:08 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> :cammo:
19:07 < bridge> <Ewan> awesome
19:08 < bridge> <Ewan> hardly the first but good to see nonetheless
19:25 < bridge> <Ewan> chairn, have you ever seen a framework laptop in person?
19:26 < bridge> <learath2> I'm likely going to get one soon
19:31 < bridge> <Ewan> yea, they seem very nice
19:34 < bridge> <Ewan> great prices on their essentially in-house refurbished stuff
19:34 < bridge> <Ewan> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230934466508099687/image.png?ex=6635200e&is=6622ab0e&hm=291ef0b64c080c8cac35fe18cbd584187bde8191005bdd05d664ee7112153bbb&
19:35 < bridge> <Ewan> btw i am curious about how their modular I/O works
19:35 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> wtf xD that looks extremly expensive
19:35 < bridge> <Ewan> is that handled on a firmware level or is it up to the OS to make sense of various signals over USB
19:35 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> is the whole laptop 619?
19:35 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> or just the CPU
19:38 < bridge> <Ewan> whole laptop
19:38 < bridge> <Ewan> i'd like to buy a US English CPU please [steamhappy](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1207076645115265044.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=steamhappy)
19:39 < bridge> <Ewan> they also sell the kit at the same cost
19:39 < bridge> <Ewan> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1230935779677573120/image.png?ex=66352147&is=6622ac47&hm=cad9bc0a3abe0675231a1c42d11d083799ef78cd899a151f73e60e47027faa99&
19:39 < bridge> <Ewan> which is really nice
19:39 < bridge> <Ewan> so it's totally up to preference whether you assemble it or not
19:39 < bridge> <Ewan> or stock ig
19:40 < bridge> <meloƞ> what's the point in building it yourself if they offer a prebuild one for the same price?, considering you can modify the prebuild the same way you can the DIY kit (if you can even)
19:40 < bridge> <Ewan> for fun?
19:40 < bridge> <Ewan> considering all the R&D that has to go into it, should be much more $
19:40 < bridge> <Ewan> they literally have staff assemble the laptop at no extra charge to you... seems like a W to me
19:41 < bridge> <Ewan> depends on if u have time to waste on your new toy
19:41 < bridge> <meloƞ> i assume because their production loves assembling just as much as the customer :kek:
19:41 < bridge> <Ewan> probably not
19:41 < bridge> <meloƞ> i assume because their production loves assembling just as much as their customers :kek:
19:41 < bridge> <Ewan> they are very early game in this market
19:41 < bridge> <Ewan> they have to cater more to survive
19:42 < bridge> <Ewan> sometimes that means eating assembly cost or w/e
19:42 < bridge> <meloƞ> i was working in a tech store for only a few months back in school, but i helped assemble a few PC's and phones (mostly repairs but sometimes from scratch) - and i always enjoyed it
19:42 < bridge> <Ewan> yeah it's fun stuff
19:42 < bridge> <Ewan> i've built a few computers in my day
19:42 < bridge> <Ewan> but laptop different
19:42 < bridge> <Ewan> much easier to break
19:42 < bridge> <meloƞ> tbf the first 0 - 100 PC i built was my current one and i was scared shitless to break smth xD
19:43 < bridge> <Ewan> damn
19:43 < bridge> <Ewan> first one i built from scratch was  in 2016 or so
19:43 < bridge> <Ewan> hand-me-down amd phenom ii, GT 730, HDD and the cheapest case on amazon
19:44 < bridge> <Ewan> i have built a few of my own since then
19:44 < bridge> <meloƞ> i bought one pre-build in 2012 from my local supermarket for 150€ - and just switched certain parts over 12 years before finally just buying a new one (mostly because the case was so filled up my airflow was as bad as it can get)
19:44 < bridge> <Ewan> damn
19:44 < bridge> <Ewan> buy a new case xD
19:44 < bridge> <meloƞ> :D im very glad i finally made the jump to get myself a good working pc
19:45 < bridge> <Ewan> ya
19:45 < bridge> <Ewan> i built my current one while trying to keep my old computer complete
19:45 < bridge> <Ewan> otherwise i would have reused case and drives and stuff
19:45 < bridge> <Ewan> old pc lives in the closet now
19:45 < bridge> <Ewan> running headless
19:46 < bridge> <meloƞ> same! - well.. kind off, its just a server with a spare monitor attached to it in the back of my office xD
19:46 < bridge> <Ewan> oh i see
19:50 < bridge> <meloƞ> i just realised it was most likely early 2014, because it had win 8.1 IIRC
19:59 < bridge> <chairn> no, never. my current laptop is 10y olds, i might change in the coming year
20:00 < bridge> <meloƞ> confused, windows says 2015
20:00 < bridge> <meloƞ> confused, google says 2015
20:00 < bridge> <chairn> what's a stock vs b stock ?
20:00 < bridge> <Ewan> You right
20:04 < bridge> <Ewan> > The only functional difference between the A-stock and B-stock configurations is in the display. We found that some of the excess displays have slight cosmetic issues. One issue is a wavy pattern on the surface that is noticeable from certain angles, and the other is a backlight non-uniformity visible from an angle on a white screen. We’ve categorized those as B-stock and further reduced pricing on them. Aside from the display, the A-stock and B-s
20:04 < bridge> <chairn> thx
20:04 < bridge> <Ewan> np
20:05 < bridge> <Ewan> <https://frame.work/marketplace?outlet[]=Factory+seconds&outlet[]=Last+gen&outlet[]=Refurbished&availability[]=in_stock&availability[]=coming_soon>
20:06 < bridge> <Ewan> latest gen starts at $1050
20:07 < bridge> <Ewan> for 13"
20:11 < bridge> <Ewan> looks like you can preorder 16" (starting at $1700
20:11 < bridge> <Ewan> but it has dedicated gpu and 165Hz display
20:12 < bridge> <Ewan> looks like you can preorder 16" (starting at $1400, $1700 pre-built)
20:14 < bridge> <Ewan> <https://frame.work/products/laptop16-diy-amd-7040?tab=specs>
23:09 < bridge_> <louis> unfortunately no amd for those yet
23:10 < bridge_> <Ewan> imo the main benefit of buying AMD nowadays is the socket longevity
23:10 < bridge_> <Ewan> and that all goes out the window here
23:11 < bridge_> <louis> i want a framework but no reason to get one yet since my current laptop works fine xd
23:11 < bridge_> <louis> the clear bezel + clear keyboard is rly cool though
23:11 < bridge_> <louis> or black bezel + blank keyboard