03:27 < bridge> <.rafaelff> Arch Linux package testing tool 'namcap' reports that DDNet is built without shadow stack flag: 03:27 < bridge> <.rafaelff> 03:27 < bridge> <.rafaelff> ``` 03:27 < bridge> <.rafaelff> Checking ddnet-18.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst 03:27 < bridge> <.rafaelff> ddnet W: ELF file ('usr/bin/DDNet') lacks GNU_PROPERTY_X86_FEATURE_1_SHSTK. 03:27 < bridge> <.rafaelff> ddnet W: ELF file ('usr/bin/DDNet-Server') lacks GNU_PROPERTY_X86_FEATURE_1_SHSTK. 03:27 < bridge> <.rafaelff> ``` 03:27 < bridge> <.rafaelff> 03:27 < bridge> <.rafaelff> I've read about it ([specially this GNU Lib C mail thread](https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/glibc/patch/20180508204021.31845-4-hjl.tools@gmail.com/)), but I'm still not sure if that's a flag DDNet should have set on build time. 03:27 < bridge> <.rafaelff> 03:27 < bridge> <.rafaelff> Does anyone know? 03:28 < bridge> <.rafaelff> This check was recently added to namcap, reason why it is showing now and not before. 04:26 < bridge> shouldn’t that flag be enabled before the pkgbuild is even involved? 04:26 < bridge> like fortify source 04:26 < bridge> ddnet pkg shouldn’t have to involve itself 04:26 < bridge> cc @ryozuki 04:29 < bridge> <.rafaelff> Hi Ewan. There are flags set by default in Arch, but -z shstk to linker is not one of them. 04:29 < bridge> I see 04:30 < bridge> <.rafaelff> These are the currently set: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pacman/-/blob/main/makepkg.conf?ref_type=heads#L45 04:30 < bridge> i would look up ldflags for common pkgs 04:30 < bridge> see if they do it 04:31 < bridge> <.rafaelff> Since it is a new check of the namcap tool, It might not have many. Hard to search. But I'll take a look around. Thanks 04:32 < bridge> someone else here is arch enthusiast but i cant remember who 04:32 < bridge> theyre all asleep anyway though 😃 04:32 < bridge> <.rafaelff> deen, I think. 04:33 < bridge> i think i was thinking of heinrich, would be surprised if deen was cuz iirc all ddnet servers run debian if he gets to choose host os 😃 04:34 < bridge> could just be for the sake of pkg availability tho 05:24 < bridge> I'll try soon xd 05:47 < bridge> gross 05:47 < bridge> not worth 05:47 < bridge> imgui sucks 05:48 < bridge> if ddnet should have a new ui it should be designed to work in retained mode and have a proper layout system instead of splitting rects and stuff 05:48 < bridge> but it won't happen 05:48 < bridge> don't see why you would want imgui in the game 06:28 < bridge> If there were a good amount of opinions or just no bad opinions spreaded to the devs for the beta branch regarding the UI changes, then releasing it shouldn't impact negativity 06:29 < bridge> Unless the whole community doesn't care about playtesting / reporting their opinion on changes. This happens 80% of the time and those people are totally clueless on what was happening to the UI. Lets hope that **now it has brought good attention**, you guys can identify what needs change and what can be kept 06:30 < bridge> > now it has brought good attention 06:30 < bridge> talking about it in the discord is not good attention 06:30 < bridge> make an issue if you think it's a big deal 06:30 < bridge> Still most of the community is here, including variant other communities 06:31 < bridge> yes but it gets forgotten within hours 06:31 < bridge> Idk, some are stuck in convos about it 06:31 < bridge> make an issue on gh as to avoid repeating yourself 100 times 06:31 < bridge> seen: accounts issue 06:31 < bridge> talked about on at least 10 different occasions in this discord. lots of cool insight from all parties. unfortunately nobody remembers what they said because it's miles of scrolling! 06:32 < bridge> But, im not complaining or highlighting an issue here. Im here to see if anything I mentioned is true or not 06:35 < bridge> rather than me highlighting these issues myself cuz a developer has actually pushed aside the problem, causing discontent amongst people who care, why not highlight yourself this problem to the devs in an enviroment where only devs can see and let them make polls about the changes regarding UI. Aside from the fact that UI is a fundamental part of a game experience, changing an everyday-interactive panel needs more communication towards players 06:37 < bridge> More, than just pushing it to the beta branch and let it sit for a day, waiting for responses. It needs more and more attention, but one man cannot do it, whos job aint to spread this awareness. 06:37 < bridge> (ok enough ranting :owo: ) 06:38 < bridge> More, than just pushing it to the beta branch and let it sit for a week*, waiting for responses. It needs more and more attention, but one man cannot do it, whos job aint to spread this awareness. 06:44 < bridge> gwaan gwaan gwaan 07:46 < ws-client> @cellegenrih imo every player that cares and want to shape the game and influence ui changes should follow what is happening on github. Otherwise you would need someone who feels responsible to repost stuff from discord somewhere else 07:46 < bridge> still most people argue about it on discord, which is the annoying part 07:47 < ws-client> github has a clean userinterface. All the text is plain english and very descriptive. Ui changes are full of screenshots. Everyone that cares can follow. If you think people miss it then you can do it your self and pick all interesting parts and repost them on discord 07:47 < ws-client> then you can copy back the replies on discord as a github comment and now you have become the human bridge between github and discord :D 07:47 < ws-client> If you want to be heard reply on github. 07:48 < ws-client> If you want the latest news activate github notifications. 07:48 < bridge> as I mentioned, not my job to repost or spread what has been posted already. I'm only bringing awareness that these types of changes need to be brought to the people more interactively, as in using a poll where different kinds of questions need to be collected to know if you guys head to the right direction designing good UI 07:48 < ws-client> Its not a locked up place. Nobody is excluded. (except chinese axaxax) 07:48 < bridge> poor chinese 07:49 < ws-client> indeed 07:49 < bridge> prob 20% of them would actually share their stuff here too 07:50 < ws-client> so what do you suggest to do then? 07:50 < ws-client> where should the poll be? 07:50 < ws-client> what kind of poll? 07:50 < ws-client> who is doing the polls? 07:51 < bridge> default gui is okey 07:51 < bridge> the way its used is no 07:51 < bridge> t 07:53 < bridge> the type of poll where rating from 1 (strongly disagree) to 5 (strongly agree), let the user express their answers through questions like 07:53 < bridge> - Seeing the screenshots, would these changes excite you? 07:53 < bridge> [ Upon checking out Beta branch] 07:53 < bridge> - Did you find the UI more interactive? 07:53 < bridge> - Should the old UI and the new UI be toggleable? 07:53 < bridge> - Did this UI change affect your way of navigating? 07:53 < bridge> - Does this UI change be more understandable for you? 07:53 < bridge> this is like 1/3rd of what I would ask guaranteed 07:54 < ws-client> okay and where should the poll be published? 07:54 < ws-client> and who should do these polls? 07:54 < ws-client> only for ui changes? 07:54 < bridge> on a separate room, like how you guys did the 2023 best map poll 07:54 < ws-client> idk what that was. i did not use discord in 2023 07:55 < bridge> with the bot, apply questions and answers with buttons, record who reacted, make a list out of it in a day and you have a list of people with accurate info 07:55 < ws-client> i see 07:55 < bridge> thats how I would do it in dc :kek: 07:55 < bridge> at least, if I would have still be part of Teeworlds Data, heck I would've done it all for you all 07:55 < ws-client> if people do not care enough to open github. Why should anyone care about their opinion? 07:56 < bridge> this... is a bad take? 07:56 < ws-client> Yea maybe 07:56 < bridge> it's like: Yeah, people don't care what I say on the internet, so why are we using these websites to communicate in the first place? 07:57 < bridge> "Seems worthless to do, maybe effective in a long term, but now useless" 07:57 < bridge> :justatest: 07:57 < bridge> I think a good solution would be to take polls from the ddnet client itself 07:57 < ws-client> But to me it sounds like some ddnet mod/admin/dev has to do those polls. It takes time. And then you get a bunch of opinions from casual discord users and trolls that maybe play since 1 day and just vote because they can. I dont see how the result of such poll could be even taking seriously 07:58 < bridge> mmmmmmm.... more work for devs, they would 100% deny it lol 07:58 < bridge> Yeah but you forget, the ones who would actually make it would be with the current system 07:58 < ws-client> @cellegenrih the thing here is. If you want something you do it. Not if you want something you ask others to figure it out for you. 07:58 < bridge> Yeah, those are an issue for the right person who is responsible. I was there once with this issue 07:59 < ws-client> If you want change you have to lead it 07:59 < bridge> .-. bruh 07:59 < ws-client> what bruh 07:59 < bridge> refer to this 07:59 < ws-client> to what 07:59 < ws-client> are you using discord replies? 08:00 < bridge> I'm just concerned on the way of communicating with the community 08:00 < bridge> where every single way of communication nowadays need to be pushed to gh 08:00 < bridge> ye :kek: 08:00 < ws-client> im telling you if you dont come with a concret plan or ideally some actions nothing will come out of your "concern" 08:00 < bridge> ya need to implement that feature too chillerdragon 08:00 < bridge> an idea would be to use the ddnet.org website/forums since that has **acounts** 08:01 < ws-client> @cellegenrih too much effort 08:01 < bridge> ddnet forum is kinda old for mobile users 08:01 < bridge> 🐢 08:01 < ws-client> @Mr.Gh0s7 whats wrong with github 08:01 < bridge> 🐢 tutel 08:01 < bridge> nothing's wrong with it other than I got a chance to mention **accounts** ftw 08:02 < bridge> accounts :gigachad: 08:02 < bridge> me when no accounts: 08:02 < bridge> https://tenor.com/view/sleep-wake-up-wake-up-in-night-ren-and-stimpy-gif-24104879 08:02 < bridge> ||https://tenor.com/view/sleep-wake-up-wake-up-in-night-ren-and-stimpy-gif-24104879|| 08:04 < ChillerDragon> you can create polls on github. You have to do that your self nobody will do it for you i think @cellegenrih then you can post those in #general or wherever 08:04 < ChillerDragon> and then all users can vote if they care. And heinrich can ignore their opinion the same way as he ignores opinions of the developers axaxax 08:05 < bridge> - I'll ask for moderator perks on DDNet dc 08:05 < bridge> - Get rejected 08:05 < bridge> - I'll donate another 200€ if they accept 08:05 < bridge> - Get accepted 08:05 < bridge> - Make the poll 08:05 < bridge> - Profit 08:05 < bridge> :EZ: 08:05 < ChillerDragon> why do you need mod 08:05 < ChillerDragon> just do it as regular user 08:05 < bridge> Ahm, yeah about that 08:06 < bridge> I'm not that kind of person nowadays, where I do requests for anybody and doing free work for people 08:06 < bridge> I began tired after the Teeworlds Data incident 08:07 < ChillerDragon> so you consider creating polls so much free work that you wouldnt do it? Thats why you post here so someone else can do it? 08:07 < bridge> :O what happened? 08:07 < ChillerDragon> i dont think this is going anywhere 08:07 < bridge> I can do it professionally with the available tools and right moderation 08:08 < bridge> examples are on Teeworlds Data cuz cagent didn't delete every one of my works 08:08 < bridge> eh 08:08 < bridge> agreed 08:08 < ChillerDragon> why do you want your work deleted :c 08:08 < bridge> me? I don't 08:08 < bridge> that Cagent threw me out and literally took over the Discord server 08:09 < ChillerDragon> "cagent didn't delete every one of my works" whats the issue with that? 08:09 < ChillerDragon> > 08:08:24 bridge | cellegenrih: agreed 08:09 < ChillerDragon> agree with what? 08:09 < bridge> most of the work I did was security standards (against bots, spammers and other awareness) 08:09 < bridge> the UI issue is not going anywhere so I leave it there lol 08:09 < ChillerDragon> ye 08:10 < bridge> another teedrama™? 08:10 < bridge> basically, the server is vulnerable against every single thing in existence 08:10 < bridge> what's the difference between skins.tw and teedata.net? 08:11 < bridge> @gerdoe :justatest: no drama here 08:12 < bridge> Ugh, I guess teedata.net was supposed to be the new Teeskins website with a new interface with better stability 08:12 < bridge> but it still has quite a lot to be done 08:12 < bridge> Ah makes sense 08:13 < bridge> for me, that new look does look more professional and I'm glad I was there to help with some assets 08:13 < bridge> 👍 08:34 < bridge> so true 08:34 < bridge> 😆 09:43 < bridge> this one goes hard xd 09:48 < bridge> can relate 09:48 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1199274513699975229/3GOTk3v.png?ex=65c1f26d&is=65af7d6d&hm=c8c3208991aa3599ccbc78432b9fc1cfc241f23a2b3a3273b3ea7e4dfd062916& 09:59 < bridge> true 10:04 < bridge> @jupeyy_keks Aliveclan 10:05 < bridge> why down :( 10:08 < bridge> The server or the http? 10:08 < bridge> Your website 10:10 < bridge> who is alive clan 10:10 < bridge> Yeah I got banned so often recently because of reflection attacks. I'm not 100% sure if my php code or other Apache 2 stuff allows pinging servers. But the last report mentioned an IP that I already blocked by iptables.. Kind of annoying to deal with 10:11 < bridge> If you ask me. They simply spoofed the IP of my server 10:12 < bridge> But I don't want to track all traffic. The vps is already trash xd 10:12 < bridge> @murpi do you need something specific? 10:16 < bridge> https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/745926398140612678/1190383357759062016 10:16 < bridge> Latest fng server is uploaded here 10:16 < bridge> I guide ppl to https://aliveclan.de/#downloads since many are not familiar with compiling the fng on their own xd 10:16 < bridge> and I occasionally use your demo renderer 10:17 < bridge> @murpi use this then 10:17 < bridge> we are getting this issue too in unique 10:17 < bridge> Discord won't go down so often xd 10:17 < bridge> I can host that on a Google service 10:18 < bridge> u can appeal on abuseipdb 10:18 < bridge> but it sorta goes away 10:18 < bridge> we had reports only 2mo old now and they are gon 10:18 < bridge> gone 10:18 < bridge> vps is content 10:19 < bridge> 10:19 < bridge> The vps hoster is simply too restrictive. They get abuse e-mails and handle them too easily as abuse 10:19 < bridge> perhaps u can show them this 10:19 < bridge> discord link tend to die for whatever reason 10:19 < bridge> how we experienced the same reflection attacks and solved it 10:19 < bridge> links* 10:19 < bridge> Mh OK. I can try 10:19 < bridge> Only if the original resource was deleted 10:19 < bridge> Afaik 10:20 < bridge> anyone ever used c# json 10:20 < bridge> afaik discord started limiting such a behaviour 10:20 < bridge> how u can just magically serialize an object as if it was js 10:20 < bridge> they don't want people to use discord as fileshare 10:20 < bridge> MH in worst case I can host them on gh 10:20 < bridge> you can add github actions btw 10:20 < bridge> if you want to tho xd 10:20 < bridge> too 10:21 < bridge> to 10:21 < bridge> anyone know of a library which lets udo this 10:21 < bridge> too too 10:21 < bridge> I have them, but only works for six month 10:21 < bridge> in cpp 10:21 < bridge> why 10:21 < bridge> Because GH decided to only last artifacts for 6 months 10:21 < bridge> are u talking about static files 10:21 < bridge> But I can create a release 10:21 < bridge> u can set up a gh pages org and use the site repo for resources 10:22 < bridge> u can set up a gh pages site on an org and use the site repo for resources 10:22 < bridge> which do not expire 10:22 < bridge> Can ddnet host a github.io page? 10:22 < bridge> can ddnet host a github artifact? 10:22 < bridge> Then I can also upload the demo viewer there 10:22 < bridge> wtf 10:22 < bridge> idk wat u are talking about 10:23 < bridge> 👎 10:23 < bridge> microsoft moment 10:23 < bridge> On GH u can also host websites 10:23 < bridge> wait you can do releases can't you 10:23 < bridge> ye it's called pages... 10:23 < bridge> But dunno if u need premium 10:23 < bridge> no! 10:23 < bridge> one free pages site per normal user 10:23 < bridge> or one per org! 10:23 < bridge> they'll not be deleted ig 10:23 < bridge> i said it already 10:23 < bridge> Yeah. Maybe I should 10:24 < bridge> But they can contain JavaScript? 10:24 < bridge> of course 10:24 < bridge> as long as it's client 10:24 < bridge> lol 10:24 < bridge> Then I'd say u have infinite pages xd 10:24 < bridge> u dont have dns so it's sorta limited 10:24 < bridge> but yes 10:24 < bridge> and repo has no unusual filesize limitation 10:25 < bridge> That's a problem 10:25 < bridge> The wasm module is like 20mb 10:25 < bridge> why is it a problem 10:25 < bridge> Oh I missed the no 10:25 < bridge> it has no (unusual filesize limitations) 10:25 < bridge> not 10:25 < bridge> it has (no unusual filesize) limitations 10:26 < bridge> associativity not included 10:26 < bridge> u can just host vast oceans of static content. even generated stuff like web frameworks make, as long as u don't expect the server to process anything further than a normal http server would. 10:26 < bridge> hi heinrich 10:26 < bridge> @jupeyy_keks Can't you publish the pre-compiled binaries to your releases on your github fng repo or does github not allow manual uploads to there? 10:26 < bridge> Sounds fine 10:26 < bridge> u can preprocess most stuff 10:27 < bridge> I never did that, so dunno 10:27 < bridge> if u are dedicated 10:27 < bridge> i believe it's a webhook 10:28 < bridge> that u can control from anywhere 10:28 < bridge> dont quote me 10:28 < bridge> I mean I have GH actions 10:28 < bridge> I just never created a release xd 10:28 < bridge> u used to have to manually upload artifacts 10:28 < bridge> so we used some gha thing to do it manually for us :troll: 10:28 < bridge> ! 10:28 < bridge> afaik artifacts expire after certain amount of time 10:28 < bridge> do it japjupjopsti 10:28 < bridge> On mobile I don't have access to my github tho. I'll do it later 10:29 < bridge> yea, artifacts expire 10:29 < bridge> u need to publish them 10:29 < bridge> and we used some custom github actions thing 10:50 < bridge> morning its 6:50 10:50 < bridge> i keep waking up early 10:51 < bridge> awesome 10:51 < bridge> i missed this chat a bit 10:52 < bridge> late for me but idk because I’m actually coding 10:52 < bridge> late for me but idc because I’m actually coding 10:56 < bridge> U in murica? 10:57 < bridge> Or in the ocean? Xd 10:57 < bridge> he is hardly in murica 10:57 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1199291872393310268/image.png?ex=65c20298&is=65af8d98&hm=28a80ff14470e81a352ab02821cd7dd14367758744a2525c6aa5c5bdfaa66cb5& 10:57 < bridge> he is in argentina or whatever 10:58 < bridge> only American in the continental sense 10:58 < bridge> I'm pretty sure that he's not in asia 😄 10:59 < bridge> say that again 10:59 < bridge> can't 10:59 < bridge> Look behind you 11:01 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1199292770196660276/image.png?ex=65c2036e&is=65af8e6e&hm=c2fa8743dd47b9f605a2a636d78d80c1718f11e84bdc988b89e9c623c550590f& 11:01 < bridge> Not here man 11:01 < bridge> why 11:02 < bridge> you can apply line wrap to a text input pretty easily 11:03 < bridge> I added a few feature that need an input with bigger height to have space to edit easier like website share post form 11:03 < bridge> yeah man should be pretty ez 11:03 < bridge> it already has everything u need 11:03 < bridge> just need to glue it together 11:04 < bridge> Some day when using HTML + CSS is not bound to JavaScript anymore, and isn't overcomplicated to embed 11:04 < bridge> Then I give u ur textarea 11:04 < bridge> I'll wait until that day then 😄 11:04 < bridge> and i have another question about using .gif file on DDNet 11:05 < bridge> it's not possible right ? 11:05 < bridge> stupid question but if I install the ddnet client on gnome it trabs my cursor and windows key doesn't work to switch apps 11:05 < bridge> stupid question but if I install the ddnet client on gnome it traps my cursor and windows key doesn't work to switch apps 11:05 < bridge> Gifs suck for games. Like all video formats 11:05 < bridge> U are bound to fps 11:06 < bridge> For an in game TV OK. But not for animations 11:06 < bridge> hmm I tried to add intro video for DDNet client but it's a bit hard to play mp4 or any video format 11:06 < bridge> And your question is, if it's gnome fault? 11:06 < bridge> no gif for menu and UI 11:06 < bridge> Answer is yes 11:06 < bridge> Wtf voxel 2 dropped 11:07 < bridge> I see. Well doesn't exist right now 11:07 < bridge> wait, so ddnet always traps your cursor on gnome? no way around it? 11:07 < bridge> That the meta key does not work is a bugntho 11:07 < bridge> But yes it traps it always 11:08 < bridge> check your DM 11:08 < bridge> I think it traps the cursor on every OS 11:08 < bridge> We once had a mode that doesn't. But windows isn't ready for that 11:08 < bridge> Bcs it creates black screen when tabbing out 11:10 < bridge> oh i can tab out 🤦‍♂️ 11:11 < bridge> f1 11:11 < bridge> 😃 11:11 < bridge> not a real fix tho 11:11 < bridge> what does f1 do? 11:11 < bridge> It releases mouse 11:12 < bridge> console gives u os mouse back 11:12 < bridge> ah thats great thanks 11:13 < bridge> @mpft /top5 works on your race servers 11:13 < bridge> should i test creating a new rank as well? 11:14 < bridge> yes pls 11:14 < bridge> meybe we can read but not writr 11:16 < bridge> @mpft it works, I didn't change anything ^^ 11:16 < bridge> maybe it was whatever that attack was 11:17 < bridge> is the db on a common port 11:18 < bridge> maybe host or isp will close coming db ports as a security concern if its being attacked 11:18 < bridge> maybe host or isp will close common db ports as a security concern if its being attacked 11:18 < bridge> both race servers on your vps are up now 11:18 < bridge> sweet 11:18 < bridge> thanks 11:19 < bridge> wonder what the issue was 11:19 < bridge> all gameservers connect to the same port, i believe the default sql port but not sure 11:19 < bridge> yea i see 11:20 < ws-client> pog timakro alive 11:20 < bridge> Always been 11:20 < bridge> what funny bridge are you connected to these days, chiller? 11:20 < bridge> matrix? 11:21 < bridge> i think he is on irc and matrix but he recently joined a call in discord 11:21 < ws-client> https://chat.zillyhuhn.com/ 11:21 < bridge> o yea weechat and the web thinf 11:21 < ws-client> @timakro its irc with a selfwritten web frontend that looks like discord xd 11:21 < bridge> Xd 11:22 < bridge> thats cool :D 11:22 < ws-client> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1706005333.png 11:22 < ws-client> @timakro how is life? 11:22 < ws-client> what are you up to these days? 11:22 < bridge> i actually got to run to a lecture now :D 11:22 < ws-client> ok mr busy 11:23 < bridge> i'm studying in penultimate semester 11:23 < ws-client> pro 11:23 < ws-client> computer science? 11:25 < bridge> argentina xd 11:25 < bridge> at a gym kek 11:25 < bridge> so cheap 11:26 < bridge> Epic 11:30 < ws-client> @Ewan is timakro hosting servers for u or wat? 11:31 < bridge> other way aorund 11:31 < bridge> i assume you host and write to his db 11:31 < bridge> ya 11:31 < ChillerDragon> i didnt know you are into racing 11:32 < bridge> race is epic 11:32 < ChillerDragon> you want us pinged servers in unique land i assume 11:32 < ws-client> i lag so bad xd 11:33 < bridge> yep 11:33 < ws-client> dude im literal sherlock holmes 11:33 < ws-client> i see right through you 11:33 < bridge> we had canada but it was 60-80 ping for me usually 11:33 < bridge> still unplayable 11:33 < bridge> esp w messed up grenate prediction 11:33 < ws-client> there is not even player interaction race is like the best mod for high ping, after city maybe xd 11:34 < bridge> some ppl used to it 11:34 < bridge> benz plays in can from mx and has for a long time afaik 11:34 < bridge> but i cant do that 11:34 < ws-client> fudgy is canadian right? 11:34 < bridge> yea 11:34 < bridge> he host can 11:34 < bridge> sherlock holmes 11:34 < ws-client> i see unique is bring your own server network 11:35 < ws-client> scalable 11:35 < bridge> i would do for ddnet but i dont think ppl want a usa 28 11:35 < ws-client> i would do it for ddnet but i am not allowed :c 11:35 < bridge> y not 11:35 < bridge> doesn't davide do a lot of it 11:35 < ws-client> i think risk of me hacking the database or something 11:35 < bridge> do u have a bad history 11:36 < ws-client> actually not i hosted a shit load of servers for others so far all happy c: 11:36 < ws-client> idk i think deen just doesnt need it 11:36 < ws-client> i ask him every year :D 11:39 < bridge> @timakro how did u connect to usa servers o_O 11:39 < bridge> may not be in the masters anymore 11:41 < bridge> i hope u were not thinking of can servers when u tested? 11:50 < ws-client> axaxaxax can = usa 11:52 < bridge> As Obama already said 11:52 < bridge> Yes, we can 12:00 < bridge> Lol 12:00 < bridge> So i can use nlohmann json and go out of my way to include a somewhat unnecessary api or i use someone else’s parsing code which idk if i should trust 12:03 < bridge> Oops that's exactly what happened 12:34 < bridge> i having a hard time compile my source on a old debian machine. 12:34 < bridge> ```bash 12:34 < bridge> Updating crates.io index 12:34 < bridge> Fetch [==============> ] 28.57% 12:34 < bridge> ``` 12:35 < bridge> omg lmao 12:36 < bridge> timakro racist confirmed 12:36 < bridge> waiting on network 12:36 < bridge> It looks like you're compiling rust, just wait another 10 minutes and you might get to 28.58%. Stay strong 👊 12:36 < bridge> Yes use FreeBSD for better network axaxaxa 12:38 < bridge> No 12:38 < bridge> Looks like your rust is old and is not using the sparse index yet. Make sure to install the latest and greatest rust with rustup. It’s much faster in this stage. Not the rust from Debian apt 12:38 < bridge> Updating package manager package list 12:38 < bridge> lol 12:38 < bridge> y shilling debian rust also gonna be modern 12:39 < bridge> lmfao 12:39 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1199317374139105320/IMG_4837.png?ex=65c21a58&is=65afa558&hm=92aeec5565b1b0e42ccec9e5a9cf1ea1eb50869ae1fd1102ec3a5f37be1cc188& 12:39 < bridge> me when i have no idea what I’m talking about 12:41 < bridge> True Debian is known for its bleeding edge software repository 12:42 < bridge> Legend has it that you can already install jopstis dd-pg2 in apt. Because apt is so new they also include software that is not written yet 12:45 < bridge> Yea 12:45 < bridge> https://tenor.com/view/smile-smirk-try-not-to-laugh-gif-20026966 12:46 < bridge> Package driven development should be a thing. First you release in apt. Then you start writing the code. 12:59 < bridge> debian distros ftw (antiX, devuan etc) 12:59 < bridge>