00:55 < bridge> uhhhh 01:02 < bridge> nope i have no idea how any of this works 01:02 < bridge> what do i do after installing bam 01:05 < bridge> type `bam` in the source folder 01:08 < bridge> tells me no c/c++ compiler found 01:10 < bridge> apt install build-essential 01:10 < bridge> apt install build-essentials 01:15 < bridge> i'm not trying to be rude when i say this, i'm genuinely asking. why are you on linux if you don't know how to use a command line 01:16 < bridge> im not fucking paying 300 dollars for windows 01:16 < bridge> oh if that's the issue 01:18 < bridge> hypothetically, linux distros also target users not wanting to use the command line 01:18 < bridge> @cyberfighter did that help? 01:19 < bridge> whatever, i get to play some old abandoned 13 year old games on linux 01:19 < bridge> we love linux 01:19 < bridge> yes but now it just spits out a ton of errors on the building 01:19 < bridge> u dont need to pay 01:19 < bridge> u can remove the activate windows thing for free too 01:19 < bridge> but i'm not gonna say it's the year of the linux desktop until it's 100% command-line pain free for basic users 01:19 < bridge> @cyberfighter make sure u have the correct version of bam 01:20 < bridge> we'll get to that once it errors ^^ 01:20 < bridge> which errors 01:20 < bridge> he said it errors already 01:20 < bridge> lol i remember minetee 01:20 < bridge> uh how tf do you check versions on linux lol 01:20 < bridge> send the errors 01:20 < bridge> ok 01:22 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1185376413461774496/message.txt?ex=658f62d0&is=657cedd0&hm=848831a31f2dafedf942213bfa2bb987bf65b29f437e33c98d87dd0d6a062736& 01:23 < bridge> i only saw videos of it 01:23 < bridge> apt install libsdl2-dev 01:23 < bridge> might be libsdl1.2-dev 01:23 < bridge> i missed a lot what mod are you trying to compile 01:23 < bridge> you'll run into this a lot if you haven't installed the deps 01:23 < bridge> i'd start with ddnet deps to be save 01:23 < bridge> safe 01:23 < bridge> I think it's okay to install it one by one 01:23 < bridge> yea but it'll take a long time lol 01:24 < bridge> instlaling ddnet dependencies is going to install a lot of shit we don't need 01:24 < bridge> perhaps 01:24 < bridge> what is he trying to compile 01:24 < bridge> since ddnet depends on a lot of libraries nowadays, unlike teeworlds 0.6 01:24 < bridge> some teeworlds 0.6 mod 01:24 < bridge> minetee 01:24 < bridge> link 01:24 < bridge> oh 01:24 < bridge> . 01:25 < bridge> i was gonna just see what packages the CI installed but it's down :feelsbadman: 01:25 < bridge> didn't have CI back then IIRC 01:26 < bridge> well there's a broken CircleCI lnk in the readme 01:26 < bridge> link 01:26 < bridge> ah 01:27 < bridge> i think i already have libsdl1.2 01:27 < bridge> 2015 sounds like it's well within sdl2 territory 01:28 < bridge> unless the mod author was rly so lazy 01:28 < bridge> dunno 01:28 < bridge> so you have to compile a custom client alongside the server? 01:28 < bridge> yeah it needs custom client and server 01:28 < bridge> damn 01:29 < bridge> doesnt work, no idea if im doing something wrong lol 01:30 < bridge> same issue after installing pkg? 01:34 < bridge> this looks dramatically broken actually 01:34 < bridge> looks like somehow it's been configured to compile for windows 01:37 < bridge> delete `other/freetype/include` 01:40 < bridge> ok theres less errors now 01:41 < bridge> uh maybe lmao 01:42 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1185381356662960228/message.txt?ex=658f676a&is=657cf26a&hm=1c35b4df87fe6122898de9434bcba2cd89ee9ce83cbdec603d3b4dc34bdcfb98& 01:42 < bridge> oh wait 01:42 < bridge> nvm 01:42 < bridge> try `bam server` 01:43 < bridge> actually ^^ 01:43 < bridge> ah 01:43 < bridge> you want the client, too 01:43 < bridge> i dont think you can play without the client on it 01:44 < bridge> ye 01:54 < bridge> sorry, will go to sleep for now 01:54 < bridge> i guess i'll take over 01:54 < bridge> I'd suggest you try to compile it on your machine, too 01:54 < bridge> time for an actually appropriate use of WSL 😃 01:55 < bridge> yea im probably gonna sleep soonish too 01:55 < bridge> well i am here in the meantime 01:55 < bridge> installing pkgs rn 01:55 < bridge> ok i can wait 02:01 < bridge> `cd MineTee` 02:01 < bridge> `git clean -xdf` 02:01 < bridge> `sudo apt install libsdl1.2-dev libfreetype-dev python-is-python3` 02:01 < bridge> `bam` 02:01 < bridge> binaries should be `tw_minetee_d` (client) and `tw_minetee_srv_d` (server) 02:02 < bridge> ya heard ? 02:03 < bridge> this was the same error cuz bam needs a clean build environment to adapt to pkg changes 02:04 < bridge> looks like it probes for the pkg one time & once the logic has been generated and the include paths have been setr and whatnot, it doesn't re-check unless the info is absent 02:04 < bridge> looks like it probes for the pkg one time & once the logic has been generated and the include paths have been set and whatnot (or in this case not set), it doesn't re-check unless the info is absent 02:04 < bridge> wut 02:04 < bridge> follow instructions 02:04 < bridge> the second line does nothing 02:05 < bridge> it is just making sure that the build is not going to be influenced by your previous attempts 02:06 < bridge> it's ok if it does nothing 02:06 < bridge> as long as it does not error 02:06 < bridge> it says fatal 02:06 < bridge> what does it say 02:06 < bridge> not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git 02:06 < bridge> what is output of `pwd` 02:06 < bridge> oh you're in .git 02:06 < bridge> why 02:06 < bridge> `cd ..` 02:07 < bridge> huh 02:07 < bridge> did you do `cd ..` 02:07 < bridge> yeah 02:07 < bridge> now what does `pwd` say 02:07 < bridge> MineTee at the very end right 02:07 < bridge> no its uhhh.. 02:07 < bridge> desktop.. 02:08 < bridge> where did you clone minetee 02:08 < bridge> i put it on my desktop 02:08 < bridge> you're `~/Desktop` right 02:08 < bridge> yeah 02:08 < bridge> or `/home/whomever/Desktop` 02:08 < bridge> yea 02:08 < bridge> ok do `cd MineTee` 02:08 < bridge> no more 02:08 < bridge> no tab completion this time pls 02:08 < bridge> sounds like last time u accidentally did MineTee/.git or smth 02:09 < bridge> ok 02:09 < bridge> pwd? 02:10 < bridge> /Desktop/MineTee 02:10 < bridge> excellent. do these cmds starting at line 2 02:11 < bridge> failed 02:12 < bridge> the git clean still had a fatal error btw 02:12 < bridge> what is it 02:13 < bridge> same thing 02:13 < bridge> fatal: not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git 02:14 < bridge> did you download the zip 02:14 < bridge> instead of cloning 02:14 < bridge> uh i dont think i did 02:14 < bridge> where did you get it 02:14 < bridge> /how 02:15 < bridge> wait no i did 02:15 < bridge> sry i forgot 02:15 < bridge> then it's not gonna have the repo info 02:15 < bridge> k 02:15 < bridge> ``` 02:15 < bridge> Removing .bam/ 02:15 < bridge> Removing config.lua 02:15 < bridge> Removing datasrc/__pycache__/ 02:15 < bridge> Removing objs/base/ 02:15 < bridge> Removing objs/engine/ 02:15 < bridge> Removing objs/game/ 02:15 < bridge> Removing src/game/generated/client_data.cpp 02:15 < bridge> Removing src/game/generated/client_data.h 02:15 < bridge> Removing src/game/generated/nethash.cpp 02:15 < bridge> Removing src/game/generated/protocol.cpp 02:15 < bridge> Removing src/game/generated/protocol.h 02:15 < bridge> Removing src/game/generated/server_data.cpp 02:15 < bridge> Removing src/game/generated/server_data.h 02:15 < bridge> Removing tw_minetee_d 02:15 < bridge> Removing tw_minetee_srv_d 02:15 < bridge> ``` 02:15 < bridge> delete any of those if they're present 02:17 < bridge> done 02:17 < bridge> great 02:17 < bridge> keep going 02:17 < ChillerDragon> ewan wats git clean -xdf 02:18 < bridge> it's git clean 'dont as me just delete it' 02:18 < bridge> don't ask me* 02:18 < bridge> deletes all untracked files 02:18 < ChillerDragon> a 02:18 < ChillerDragon> i always do ``git add . && git reset --hard`` for that xd 02:19 < bridge> no this just deletes unknown files 02:20 < bridge> it doesn't revert changes to tracked files 02:22 < bridge> LOL 02:22 < bridge> what funny 02:23 < bridge> https://tenor.com/view/smile-smirk-try-not-to-laugh-gif-20026966 02:25 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1185392199026876536/2023-12-16_02-24-29.mp4?ex=658f7183&is=657cfc83&hm=ca8d927f17ef40f3669580564bc469d811b4f53a8cf4e3b84e943b1595ee33f8& 02:25 < bridge> THE SOUNDS 02:26 < bridge> oh it worked 02:26 < bridge> great 02:26 < bridge> oink 03:00 < bridge> btw thanks a ton 03:03 < bridge> no problem 03:09 < bridge> ok idk how to progress anymore lol 03:09 < bridge> gn 03:09 < bridge> messed up 03:09 < bridge> gn 10:27 < bridge> morning 10:37 < bridge> eyo would a pr for modifying maps live be accepted? Or is there something that hinders that? 10:38 < bridge> like minetee 10:38 < bridge> eyo would a pr for modifying maps live be accepted or is there something that hinders it? 10:46 < bridge> It's wouldn't be compatible with old clients, so you either need backwards compatibility, or add the feature without using it and wait until most players updated to a version that have the feature 10:50 < bridge> its update day 10:50 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1185519298215682058/image.png?ex=658fe7e2&is=657d72e2&hm=575b16c013b7d7de05ba325c4034104b24427384f39d2b8dbca5e52688f4b6e9& 10:54 < bridge> so if you have a serverside mod that uses that functionality then just kick ppl below some version? 10:55 < bridge> just tell them to update ig 10:55 < bridge> That's probably what you'd have to do. Changing maps don't predict correctly for old clients 10:56 < bridge> If you want to implement something like this for DDNet then you should open an issue first to discuss 10:58 < bridge> what about pr to allow use passwords in custom browser protocol :santatrollet: 11:19 < bridge> @teero777: yes please add that! I need it so much!!! 11:20 < bridge> i lost my Minecraft world 11:20 < bridge> f 11:20 < bridge> copied it over to a portable drive and many of the files were comprised of null bytes 11:20 < bridge> i let it finish and even if i hadn’t write caching was off 11:21 < bridge> i don’t understand 11:21 < bridge> new minetee version would be cool 11:22 < bridge> And you could edit quads. 11:22 < bridge> So cool animations and dynamically animated images would be a thing 11:24 < bridge> soon in teeworlss 11:24 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1185527756822429808/RDT_20231216_1123423082047355012522408.jpg?ex=658fefc3&is=657d7ac3&hm=8ea411374dd8b18abe849477b3f455c11fc5e39bbc5c8cc15615b504b7ce87ca& 11:24 < bridge> Imagine mapping ddrace parts in game with others as collab and live test it. Same as you would build something with friends in Minecraft 11:24 < bridge> soon in Teeworlds 11:24 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1185527756822429808/RDT_20231216_1123423082047355012522408.jpg?ex=658fefc3&is=657d7ac3&hm=8ea411374dd8b18abe849477b3f455c11fc5e39bbc5c8cc15615b504b7ce87ca& 11:24 < bridge> That’s already possible 11:24 < bridge> With envelopes and sounds 11:24 < bridge> yea live map editing is cool 11:25 < bridge> https://tube.zillyhuhn.com/video.php?t=cod_montage.mp4&u=chiller 11:25 < bridge> Basically full Spider-Man 4K 11:26 < bridge> haha 11:31 < ChillerDragon> we should add RCE to clients to fix all future backwards compatibility isses 11:31 < ChillerDragon> issues* 11:34 < bridge> xdd 11:34 < bridge> remote executing Trojans letsgo 11:35 < bridge> would it be bad to host a minetee server (like, is it not safe) 11:35 < bridge> Should be ok imo 11:35 < bridge> I would play 11:35 < bridge> i actually could try hosting maybe 11:37 < bridge> 🤓 11:37 < bridge> fokkonerd? 11:38 < ChillerDragon> you got a vps cyber? 11:39 < bridge> nudel's :troll: 11:40 < ChillerDragon> a 11:40 < ChillerDragon> so about safety unless the mod author added bugs or backdoors you should be good to go 11:41 < ChillerDragon> usually what could go wrong is that the author puts in malware or ransomware and btc miner and some shit into the mod and then it potentially fucks your whole vps 11:41 < ChillerDragon> or the author codes a bug and there is RCE so every player who joins the server can fuck your whole vps 11:41 < ChillerDragon> and my "usually" i mean i never saw that and i do not think it ever happend xd 11:41 < ChillerDragon> but those are the two safety risks i am aware of 11:42 < ChillerDragon> if i am not mistaken mintee was made by unsigned char* who is poggies so he probably didnt do any major fuckups i think you should be safe hehe 11:43 < ChillerDragon> also depends on who is attacking you. Im sure there is some ddnet/teeworlds CVE in the NSA secret database 11:43 < ChillerDragon> s/CVE/0d 11:48 < ChillerDragon> ok honestly idk if tardo = unsigned char* 11:48 < ChillerDragon> does any1 know? 11:53 < bridge> where do autoexecs gotta go? same folder as the server executable? 11:54 < ChillerDragon> ye 12:08 < bridge> he did not in fact have a vps 12:12 < ChillerDragon> when issue @teero777 12:12 < bridge> when I'm home maybe 12:12 < bridge> I have winter ferien soon so I'll give it a try 12:13 < ChillerDragon> ferien xd 12:13 < bridge> I have winter ~~ferien~~ vacation soon so I'll give it a try 12:14 < bridge> WTF 12:24 < bridge> the server comes with an anticheat or smth? 12:25 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1185543096839184435/screenshot_2023-12-16_12-13-39.png?ex=658ffe0c&is=657d890c&hm=329a241b1a17c7edc69937a1276c304f62f70586ce24519be9f35bb71e8c09dc& 12:25 < bridge> :banhammer: 12:25 < bridge> even though i just held the fire button 12:58 < ChillerDragon> In case anyone remembers me bitshing about boot times 12:58 < ChillerDragon> it was asan being on ._. 12:59 < ChillerDragon> so all good :) 13:01 < ChillerDragon> @cyberfighter ye the author was into antibot stuff he also has this repo https://gitlab.com/Tardo/TWAntiCheats/-/tree/master?ref_type=heads 13:01 < ChillerDragon> jopsti u here? 13:01 < ws-client> @Jupstar ✪ 13:13 < bridge> hai 13:13 < bridge> wazzup 13:13 < bridge> i'd recomment to buy new pc 13:13 < bridge> for rust questions ping ryo 13:17 < ws-client> i had gfx question 13:17 < ws-client> but i somewhat hacked it 13:17 < ws-client> I did ``bool IsTileBufferingEnabled() override { return false; }`` 13:17 < ws-client> if i want to build minetee and update layers how do i do that and not hardcode false here xd 13:18 < bridge> nah, i just summed last column 13:18 < ChillerDragon> seems like tilebuffering does not rerender new textures if i mess with the map data 13:18 < ChillerDragon> is there some refresh i can call? 13:19 < ws-client> > i'd recomment to buy new pc 13:19 < bridge> the system isnt really build for it 13:19 < ws-client> @Jupstar ✪ i sold literally all my organs for this pc wtf 13:19 < bridge> u'd need to also upload 0(air) tiles 13:19 < ws-client> wot 13:19 < bridge> yeah 13:19 < bridge> explaination over 13:19 < ChillerDragon> idk wat u mean 13:19 < ChillerDragon> ok thanks xd 13:20 < bridge> yeah hard to describe without explaining everything 13:20 < ChillerDragon> ye fair 13:20 < bridge> but if u want to dynamically remove tiles, u'd need to update them to 0 13:20 < ChillerDragon> when jopsti gfx blog 13:20 < ChillerDragon> or yt videos 13:20 < ChillerDragon> tile index 0 gets hot reloaded? 13:20 < bridge> and not like remove it out of the tiles, bcs that would affect/shift all other tiles 13:20 < bridge> tileindex 0 will simply be invisible 13:21 < ChillerDragon> even with tilebuffering on? 13:21 < bridge> especially with it on 13:21 < ChillerDragon> xd 13:21 < ChillerDragon> ok lemme try 13:21 < bridge> for the old rendering it doesnt matter 13:21 < bridge> they are uploaded every frame 13:21 < ChillerDragon> ye 13:21 < ChillerDragon> thats why my hack worked 13:23 < ChillerDragon> wait are you telling me on your pc the client starts instantly with asan on?! 13:24 < bridge> ? 13:24 < ChillerDragon> when u turn on asan 13:24 < bridge> u dont have a reply feature 13:25 < ChillerDragon> and lauch client 13:25 < ChillerDragon> is it fast 13:25 < ChillerDragon> > u dont have a reply feature 13:25 < ChillerDragon> xd 13:25 < bridge> but who even said that 13:25 < ChillerDragon> you said buy new pc 13:25 < ChillerDragon> i was wondering 13:25 < ChillerDragon> if you were implying "works on my machine" 13:25 < bridge> that's my standard answer to all problems 13:25 < ChillerDragon> yeyeikr 13:26 < ChillerDragon> still wondering 13:26 < bridge> i dunno, asan makes is slower, but let me try 13:26 < bridge> did u use debug or releasedebug 13:26 < ChillerDragon> ``CTile *pTiles = static_cast(m_pLayers->Map()->GetData(pTilemap->m_Data));pTiles[MapIndex].m_Index = 0`` and then in a new frame something other than 0 is still not updated with tile buffering 13:26 < ChillerDragon> or did u mean something else 13:26 < ChillerDragon> prolly debg 13:27 < ChillerDragon> ye debug 13:27 < ChillerDragon> i just need a way to unbuffer the shits 13:27 < bridge> yes: 13:27 < bridge> - remove the tile > 0 check in maplayers.cpp 13:27 < bridge> - add a buffer update that uploads the new tiles somewhere in that file 13:27 < bridge> - enjoy 10k fps teemines 13:27 < ChillerDragon> xd 13:28 < bridge> well then why dont u simply use your hack you use 13:28 < bridge> it sounds good to me 13:28 < ChillerDragon> i turned off all buffering 13:28 < ChillerDragon> everywhere 13:28 < bridge> > i dunno, asan makes is slower, but let me try 13:28 < bridge> > did u use debug or releasedebug 13:28 < bridge> answers pls 13:28 < ChillerDragon> debug 13:28 < ChillerDragon> did the msg not go thru .- 13:28 < ChillerDragon> 13:26:55 ChillerDragon | prolly debg 13:28 < ChillerDragon> 13:27:04 ChillerDragon | ye debug 13:29 < ChillerDragon> bridge momement 13:29 < bridge> it did 13:29 < bridge> i simply didnt identify it 13:29 < ChillerDragon> pog bridge working 13:29 < bridge> bcs u have no reply feature 13:29 < bridge> 😏 13:29 < ChillerDragon> xd 13:29 < ChillerDragon> irc shaming is stricly forbidden in this inclusive environment 13:29 < ChillerDragon> i will file a report with heinrich the feelgood manager 13:30 < bridge> he wouldn't be able to tell why either, bcs no replies 13:30 < bridge> 🙂 13:30 < ChillerDragon> ahwd8aw90djaw0üd 13:31 < bridge> ./DDNet quit 2,37s user 0,83s system 61% cpu 5,233 total 13:31 < bridge> 2,3s but the quitting was the slowest tbf 13:31 < ChillerDragon> but did it quit instantly? 13:31 < ChillerDragon> ye 13:31 < ChillerDragon> rigged test 13:31 < bridge> ya 13:31 < bridge> fix quitting 13:32 < bridge> 😭 13:32 < ChillerDragon> i got 8s 13:32 < ChillerDragon> sos 13:32 < ChillerDragon> lets trade pc 13:32 < bridge> well 5seconds total 13:32 < bridge> i'd also say the window does not open instanly 13:32 < bridge> so i guess also around 8s 13:33 < ChillerDragon> wat did u run? 13:33 < ChillerDragon> i did ``time ./DDNet quit`` 13:33 < bridge> > ./DDNet quit 2,37s user 0,83s system 61% cpu 5,233 total 13:33 < bridge> me too 13:33 < bridge> yea quitting ddnet is very slow for me too 13:33 < bridge> Sometimes like 5s 13:33 < ChillerDragon> ah 13:33 < ChillerDragon> use i got 1s 13:33 < ChillerDragon> but user is garbage 13:34 < ChillerDragon> real is onlything that matters no? 13:34 < bridge> ur pc is also much faster than me 13:34 < bridge> mine 13:34 < bridge> but me too 13:34 < bridge> the last value is what matters 13:34 < bridge> the "total" 13:34 < ChillerDragon> a 13:34 < ChillerDragon> what time are you using? xd 13:35 < ChillerDragon> mine only gives me real user and sys 13:35 < ChillerDragon> GNU bash, version 5.2.21(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) 13:35 < ChillerDragon> ah wait 13:35 < ChillerDragon> thats bash xd 13:35 < bridge> % bash --version git:playground 13:35 < bridge> GNU bash, Version 5.2.21(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) 13:35 < bridge> It was since that black "quitting" screen was introduced 13:35 < bridge> how surprising 13:35 < bridge> time has no version 13:35 < bridge> for me 13:36 < ChillerDragon> same 13:36 < ChillerDragon> but my time manpage 13:36 < ChillerDragon> shows --version xd 13:36 < bridge> anyway 13:36 < bridge> just type "time" 13:36 < bridge> and show output 13:36 < bridge> % bash --version 13:36 < bridge> GNU bash, Version 5.2.21(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) 13:36 < ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1702730203.png 13:36 < bridge> shell 0,41s user 0,37s system 0% cpu 1:39,09 total 13:36 < bridge> children 8,91s user 3,45s system 12% cpu 1:39,09 total 13:36 < bridge> rip 13:37 < ChillerDragon> u got bloat time 13:37 < ChillerDragon> zsh edition 13:37 < bridge> true 13:37 < bridge> i use zsh 13:37 < bridge> seems like it's cooler than yours 13:37 < ChillerDragon> ./DDNet quit 1.65s user 3.65s system 67% cpu 7.823 total 13:37 < bridge> slower than mine 13:38 < ChillerDragon> xd 13:38 < ChillerDragon> skill issue 13:38 < bridge> but doesnt it depend only on the internet speed anyway? 13:38 < bridge> the quitting is slow bcs of the http requests 13:38 < ChillerDragon> idk what the hanging does 13:38 < ChillerDragon> also my boot might be slower cuz 4k 13:42 < bridge> `git reset --hard` is dangerous ^^ 13:44 < ChillerDragon> and git clean isnt? 13:44 < ChillerDragon> doesnt git reset --hard also keep stuff in the ref thingy? 13:45 < ChillerDragon> whats dangerous about it heinrich? 13:45 < bridge> it bytes 13:45 < ChillerDragon> xd 13:46 < ChillerDragon> omg tilebuffering annoying af 13:46 < ChillerDragon> can we delete it? xd 13:46 < bridge> yes 13:46 < bridge> pls 13:50 < bridge> xddd 13:50 < bridge> tbf we never use quadbuffering without tile buffering 13:50 < ChillerDragon> litle trol pr 13:50 < bridge> but the other way around xd 13:50 < bridge> good pr 13:50 < ChillerDragon> xd 13:51 < ChillerDragon> improve maploading times by 200% 13:51 < bridge> xdd 13:52 < bridge> the map format sucks too hard 13:52 < ChillerDragon> :c 13:52 < ChillerDragon> hater 13:52 < ChillerDragon> well idk i never worked with it 13:52 < bridge> yep 13:52 < ChillerDragon> i have patiga for that 13:52 < bridge> rip 13:52 < bridge> he atleast dislikes it partially xd 13:53 < ChillerDragon> lets reinvent map format 13:53 < ChillerDragon> and break compat 13:54 < ChillerDragon> i propose zipped xml as format 13:54 < bridge> yes 13:54 < bridge> 1988 XML strict core 13:54 < ChillerDragon> xd 13:54 < bridge> xml for what? 13:54 < ChillerDragon> maps 13:54 < ChillerDragon> (i was trolin) 13:54 < bridge> the m in xml stands for map 13:54 < ChillerDragon> indeed 13:55 < ChillerDragon> extreme map language 13:55 < ChillerDragon> xml is such a broken acronym 13:55 < ChillerDragon> did you know it stands for eXtensible markup language 13:55 < ChillerDragon> like wot 13:55 < ChillerDragon> should be called eml 13:56 < bridge> I think there are a couple of abbreviations where ex… is shortened to X 13:56 < bridge> find the x in christmas 13:56 < bridge> xmas 13:56 < ChillerDragon> heinrich name another or fake news 13:57 < ChillerDragon> xd jopsti 13:57 < ChillerDragon> find the x in twitter 13:59 < bridge> xmpp 13:59 < bridge> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acronyms:_X 14:00 < bridge> lots of examples here 14:00 < bridge> he takes all stuff so serious xddd 14:00 < bridge> chiller hardcore troll 14:00 < bridge> XL ^^ 14:01 < bridge> chillerdragon: quiz time: 14:01 < bridge> 14:01 < bridge> is there any english word (in dictionary) that has two x 14:01 < ChillerDragon> ah XL ok pro heinrich 14:02 < ChillerDragon> i cant think of any 14:02 < bridge> xxl 14:02 < bridge> 😄 14:02 < bridge> it's funny. chatgpt completely dies when i ask it 14:02 < ChillerDragon> omg xd 14:02 < bridge> fixxations 14:02 < ChillerDragon> is xxl a word? 14:02 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1185567745522270218/image.png?ex=65901501&is=657da001&hm=74a42a9624d77a04769c3c423eacce2149545073227d283b88597026e1ea2a9b& 14:03 < bridge> https://www.thefreedictionary.com/words-containing-xx 14:03 < bridge> wtf 14:03 < bridge> ah they are names of invented things 14:03 < ChillerDragon> thefreedictionary haulicanting more than chatgpt 14:03 < bridge> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exotoxin 14:04 < bridge> ChXXXerDxaXXn 14:04 < ChillerDragon> yea that would be my best guess something from some speicifc domain 14:04 < bridge> so many x in ur name 14:04 < ChillerDragon> like medicine biology etc coming from xXxLatinxXx 14:05 < bridge> epic 14:05 < ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 any chance we can get the poggies command aliases 14:05 < ChillerDragon> they so dope 14:06 < ChillerDragon> dopest code i prd to ddnet 14:06 < ChillerDragon> after 0.7 support 14:13 < bridge> I don't see the benefit it brings over the complexity it introduces 14:13 < bridge> and the complexity isn't done yet, because the client commands were ignored (although that's just a couple of more lines, I guess) 14:13 < ChillerDragon> no its done 14:13 < ChillerDragon> furo solved that 14:14 < ChillerDragon> we just dont preload them on the client side 14:14 < ChillerDragon> i wrote whole bible on why thats ok 14:14 < bridge> i wont join ur religion 14:14 < bridge> as long as the feature exists, it should work correctly 14:14 < ChillerDragon> it works correctly 14:14 < bridge> introducing subtle data inconsistencies is bad 14:14 < bridge> the preloaded list of client commands is wrong 14:15 < bridge> as long as there is a preloadedd list of chat commands 14:15 < bridge> it must be correct 14:15 < ChillerDragon> its not wrong 14:15 < bridge> having an incorrect list is worse than having no list at all 14:15 < ChillerDragon> its impcomplete 14:15 < bridge> yes 14:15 < ChillerDragon> missing duplicated commands 14:15 < bridge> correct 14:15 < ChillerDragon> that usually autocomplete the same as their alias 14:15 < bridge> so the list is not synchronized between client and server 14:15 < ChillerDragon> and on new ddnet servers you wont notice it 14:15 < ChillerDragon> because there its synced instantly 14:15 < bridge> I'm not a fan of subtle data inconsistencies 14:16 < ChillerDragon> we can just drop the list if connecting to new servers 14:16 < ChillerDragon> if that makes you feel better 14:16 < ChillerDragon> seems reasonable anyways 14:16 < ChillerDragon> because it doesnt add dupes 14:16 < ChillerDragon> and then has outdated helptexts 14:17 < bridge> > if that makes you feel better 14:17 < bridge> no, it does not 14:17 < ChillerDragon> why not 14:18 < bridge> because there's currently a list of chat commands in the client that's incorrect (missing aliases) 14:18 < bridge> anyway, that was just an additional minor point 14:18 < ChillerDragon> aa i think you didnt get me 14:18 < ChillerDragon> we can remove the list 14:18 < bridge> > I don't see the benefit it brings over the complexity it introduces 14:18 < bridge> ah 14:18 < ChillerDragon> as in not load it 14:18 < ChillerDragon> on new servers 14:19 < ChillerDragon> which also helps with getting the newest params and helptexts 14:19 < bridge> well, the list is incorrect for old servers as well 14:19 < bridge> the aliases already existed there 14:19 < ChillerDragon> on old servers the alias will also stay missing yes 14:19 < ChillerDragon> adding aliases i also do not like the complexity it introduces 14:20 < ChillerDragon> client side 14:20 < ChillerDragon> or i mean there is a non complex way 14:20 < ChillerDragon> but i do not like that it has no helptext and params anymore 14:20 < ChillerDragon> eventho they are unused 14:20 < bridge> this coversation somehow forced my mind to pop out idea of caching rcon commands for specific ip 14:20 < ChillerDragon> ?xd 14:21 < bridge> since it currently works fine, introducing caching sounds like complexity for no benefit 14:21 < bridge> xd try to use nobys server 14:21 < ChillerDragon> having to edit 2 files vs 3 when adding chat commands would be amazing imo 14:21 < bridge> make rcon commands downloadable as xml 14:22 < ChillerDragon> xd 14:22 < bridge> xd 14:22 < ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 the current duplicated code makes it easiy to accidentally cause data inconsistencies :c 14:23 < bridge> yes, that's a bit bad. hasn't happened so far though AFAICT 14:23 < ChillerDragon> also dont know any case 14:23 < ChillerDragon> having antoher 10 lines of RegisterAlias seems like a totally fine complexity to solve that 14:24 < ChillerDragon> also having commands autocomplete that do not exist seems also like data inconsitency 14:24 < ChillerDragon> or a wrong list 14:25 < ChillerDragon> maybe the ddracechat.h include should be removed at all times 14:25 < ChillerDragon> to ensure correctness 14:25 < bridge> dragon: make chat commands like in minecraft 14:25 < ChillerDragon> all ddnet servers are up to date anyways 14:25 < ChillerDragon> what do they do in minecraft? 14:26 < bridge> they fancy af 14:26 < ChillerDragon> you mean like in 0.7? 14:26 < bridge> no better 14:26 < ChillerDragon> wot better than 0.7 14:26 < bridge> impressive right? 14:26 < ChillerDragon> last time i played minecraft they were plaintext like ddnet 14:26 < bridge> wtf 14:26 < ChillerDragon> but sure we can fancy them up at some point 14:26 < bridge> how old r u 14:26 < ChillerDragon> old af 14:27 < ChillerDragon> i play minecraft since like 2009 14:28 < ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 i am serious now that i think about it removing the client side list is the cleanest and most correct way to go with 14:29 < ChillerDragon> im also fine with waiting a bit to give servers time to update but lets be honest who even is there 14:29 < ChillerDragon> who is even running ddnet servers? 14:29 < ChillerDragon> ddrock, kog uhm who else? 14:29 < ChillerDragon> maybe onbgy 14:29 < ChillerDragon> but autocompleting /rankteam is probably already bugged there 14:30 < bridge> Chiller what are you arguing about? 14:30 < ChillerDragon> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7657 14:31 < ChillerDragon> i am propsing to remove the autocompletion list shipped by the client 14:31 < ChillerDragon> for less complex aliases 14:31 < ChillerDragon> and more correct autocompletion 14:31 < ChillerDragon> its weird that the client autocompletes a bunch of ddnet commands and not the actual commands available on the server 14:32 < ChillerDragon> we should go full Sv_CommandInfo msg only and no hardcodet lists the client brings https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7649 14:33 < bridge> Why not just a list of aliases at the end of the CHAT_COMMAND macro? 14:33 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1185575445626900520/image.png?ex=65901c2d&is=657da72d&hm=a2710f54e52c23a2336e85e51a46fd46e29d61b95ff5c71d259e4904eb4dcf75& 14:33 < bridge> cloud is hard 14:34 < ChillerDragon> @teero777 can macros even do vargs? also not sure how that would be less complex 14:34 < bridge> Just {"teamrank", "tr", "some other"} 14:34 < bridge> Just {"teamrank", "tr", "someother"} 14:35 < bridge> Why do aliases separately? I'd do this if possible: 14:35 < bridge> ```cpp 14:35 < bridge> CHAT_COMMAND({"w", "whisper"}, "s[player name] r[message]", CFGFLAG_CHAT | CFGFLAG_SERVER | CFGFLAG_NONTEEHISTORIC, ConWhisper, this, "Whisper something to someone (private message)") 14:35 < bridge> ``` 14:35 < ChillerDragon> { wtf xd 14:35 < bridge> that's what I'm sayin xd 14:35 < ChillerDragon> Sure works for me 14:35 < ChillerDragon> not sure if heinrich likes it 14:35 < ChillerDragon> and not sure if my macro skills are good enough 14:36 < ChillerDragon> but seems possible 14:36 < bridge> XD 14:36 < ChillerDragon> robsti but if there is no alias it will be still {"w"} instead of just "w" ? .-. 14:36 < bridge> problem? 14:37 < bridge> Aliases can be a seperate argument if you want 14:37 < bridge>