00:01 < bridge> oh we can send cool images again 00:01 < bridge> https://tenor.com/view/scared-im-gif-19003096 01:00 < bridge> <_voxeldoesart> wow! 01:01 < bridge> Honestly, truly no reason to support 0.7, the only reason I don't just remove it is because it makes chiller happy 01:06 < bridge> :kek: 01:14 < bridge> <_voxeldoesart> LOL 08:42 < bridge> remove 08:42 < bridge> why u want chiller to be sad :feelsbadman: 09:22 < bridge> ``` 09:22 < bridge> $ ccache-s 09:22 < bridge> Cacheable calls: 21174 / 25718 (82.33%) 09:22 < bridge> Hits: 3567 / 21174 (16.85%) 09:22 < bridge> Direct: 3406 / 3567 (95.49%) 09:22 < bridge> Preprocessed: 161 / 3567 ( 4.51%) 09:22 < bridge> Misses: 17607 / 21174 (83.15%) 09:22 < bridge> Uncacheable calls: 4544 / 25718 (17.67%) 09:22 < bridge> Local storage: 09:22 < bridge> Cache size (GB): 6.3 / 50.0 (12.59%) 09:22 < bridge> Hits: 3567 / 21174 (16.85%) 09:22 < bridge> Misses: 17607 / 21174 (83.15%) 09:22 < bridge> ``` 09:23 < bridge> this is sad isnt it 10:23 < bridge> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7515 10:23 < bridge> just read this 10:24 < bridge> the feature is nice, but i agree with heinrich, no numerical ids, and no reimplementing 0.7 protocol in ddnet please 10:24 < bridge> we should in fact, remove sixup and all 0.7 hacks 10:31 < bridge> im also against this https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7500 10:31 < bridge> more bloat 10:31 < bridge> now this started me a interesting thought 10:32 < bridge> ddnet is driven by prs right, and someone doing a PR unnanounced drives ddnet towards a position, even if unwanted, which is what chiller kinda does with his 0.7 prs, so if i were to make a PR removing the 0.7 code, what would happen? 10:33 < bridge> its a bit unfair, because my pr removing it would be seen as destructive, but we got no way to stop adding 0.7 if we dont want 10:33 < bridge> it can be interesting to make that pr, maybe it will stir some discussion xd 10:35 < bridge> well, we could do it like other projects. allow other versions of the game. 10:35 < bridge> 10:35 < bridge> This as some pros and cons: 10:35 < bridge> 10:35 < bridge> pro: 10:35 < bridge> - ppl like Tater can advertise their changes more easy. 10:35 < bridge> - ppl can decide what they like more 10:35 < bridge> cons: 10:35 < bridge> - ppl like Tater would take supoprt and maintaining more serious 10:35 < bridge> - it might split the community at least partially 10:35 < bridge> and i mean other versions hosted by ddnet.. so basically have a launcher and allow to switch to other versions 10:35 < bridge> @jupeyy_keks the truth is, you and me cant decide 10:35 < bridge> it always feels like its heinrich ultimate word 10:35 < bridge> i would go towards a standalone ddnet 10:36 < bridge> no teeworlds support 10:36 < bridge> and heinrich gives in a bit from time to time to chiller adding this stuff 10:36 < bridge> yes, but maybe we can convince him to allow smth like i wrote above 10:36 < bridge> he always says he wants more openness.. we should also profit from this openness 10:37 < bridge> by other versions of the game u mean 0.7? 10:37 < bridge> or another client 10:37 < bridge> i feel ddnet already allows other versions if not bots 10:37 < bridge> yes other clients + servers even 10:37 < bridge> in the end what must fit is the ranks in the data base 10:37 < bridge> physics must match or ranks must be split (that's a matter of taste of teh community) 10:37 < bridge> my point is, 0.7 support should not be a goal of ddnet/ddnet, it should be done by someone out of tree as a fork 10:38 < bridge> and we should focus on the core of ddnet 10:38 < bridge> adding easier moddability is a nice goal too 10:38 < bridge> well i obviously agree. but that's why i'd say the only real solution to this is split the client. else we always have these discussions. 10:39 < bridge> u mean move client and server to different repos? 10:39 < bridge> purely objective we make a game for the majority of the community. and the majority would probably benefit from removing 0.7, and go into a more ddnet controlled version, so we can fix weaknesses of the current game 10:40 < bridge> yes for example. in the end in steam i'd still use a launcher to select which version you want to test 10:41 < bridge> ofc just removing 0.7 won't convince anybody... 10:41 < bridge> 10:41 < bridge> but in trade cleanup the network stack, make connecting faster. at least partially more ddos proof. whatever advatnages there could be could result in the community to like one way more 10:41 < bridge> i personally simply cannot imagine there is a huge interest in 0.7 10:41 < bridge> all 0.7 mods basically also exist in 0.6 10:41 < bridge> @ryozuki but some features like the 0.7 skin system could atleast be ported. I think it's very neat 10:42 < bridge> that's not directly the point 10:42 < bridge> we'll have to support both. 0.6 and 0.7 10:42 < bridge> that will be a mess 10:42 < bridge> yes. 10:43 < bridge> KISS 10:43 < bridge> 0.7 can join 0.6 servers right? But not the other way around 10:43 < bridge> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle 10:43 < bridge> i begin to be a @ryozuki 😬 10:44 < bridge> yeah, but it also only works like 95% 10:44 < bridge> there were some bugs, dunno if they fixed 10:44 < bridge> and always needs 0.7 maps hosted too 10:44 < bridge> It should be Allgemeinwissen xd 10:45 < bridge> It should be common knowledge xd 10:45 < bridge> the amount of backends we support is also a problem. that increased complexity too much 10:46 < bridge> i was young, naive 10:51 < bridge> i dont disagree to porting "ideas" from 0.7 to ddnet using the proper ddnet clean protocol, not using sixup hacks or 0.7 shit 10:52 < bridge> yes, but that will be harder to remove 10:52 < bridge> we should support only vulkan, and maybe opengl 4 10:52 < bridge> or 3.3 10:52 < bridge> you know dota 2? 10:52 < bridge> xdd 10:52 < bridge> it removed opengl support 10:53 < bridge> you can only use vulkan 10:53 < bridge> ez 10:53 < bridge> they are so based at valve 10:53 < bridge> it's simply because it's annoying to maintain such different APIs 10:53 < bridge> opengl users should use a layer or smth 10:53 < bridge> i can understand it 10:53 < bridge> vulkan to ogl xd 10:53 < bridge> or vulkan software renderer 10:53 < bridge> 60fps are enough 10:53 < bridge> true, more if ur gpu is trash it cant support vulkan 10:54 < bridge> would make development much easier 😄 10:54 < bridge> we limited by: backcompat, 0.7, teeworlds, old hardware, chiller 10:54 < bridge> XDDDDDDDD 10:54 < bridge> and heinrich 10:54 < bridge> it would also be easier to support only linux 10:54 < bridge> 😬 10:54 < bridge> but thats another 10:54 < bridge> discussion 10:54 < bridge> 😬 10:54 < bridge> 😏 * 10:55 < bridge> we should also support kernel 6+ 10:55 < bridge> and use modern kernel features 10:55 < bridge> and default compile using x86_64_v3 10:55 < bridge> that's something where i could imagine learath having fun with even xdd 10:55 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1179360020136198154/image.png?ex=65797f9c&is=65670a9c&hm=5dfc52e6ce45588aea8903dd2baf2cdb8c50de96bfe46c80a451079bb5287154& 10:58 < bridge> from you i expect nothing less than a nasm version that does not use any libc calls 10:58 < bridge> true 10:58 < bridge> libc is bloat 10:58 < bridge> i believe libc could be more efficient if not limited by backcompat too 10:59 < bridge> anyway what we need is a good stable syscall interface 10:59 < bridge> not defined by C 10:59 < bridge> kernels define their functionality with syscalls but they dont make em stable, only linux 10:59 < bridge> they provide a stable interface through unholy C 11:00 < bridge> yep. IMHO we could easily write emulators for old software to be compatible. 11:00 < bridge> 11:00 < bridge> i don't really like this aggressive backward compability thinking. 11:00 < bridge> 11:00 < bridge> I can understand that a kernel should not change every other month. 11:00 < bridge> 11:00 < bridge> but after 30 years. stuff simply changes 11:00 < bridge> and if the emulated software looses 15% pref, that would be negated by CPU hardware improvements 11:01 < bridge> i think a kernel could update its functionality by providing a kind of translation layer for some updates 11:01 < bridge> giving time to update to ppl 11:01 < bridge> and then remove the layer 11:01 < bridge> and so on 11:01 < bridge> or deprecation notices 11:01 < bridge> apparently linux did that very rarely even 11:02 < bridge> @jupeyy_keks the system V call convention is also not the most optimal nowadays iirc 11:02 < bridge> System V AMD64 ABI 11:02 < bridge> i dunno what that is 11:02 < bridge> CPU feature? 11:03 < bridge> no 11:03 < bridge> its how u make function calls at assembly level 11:03 < bridge> how it expects the arguments 11:03 < bridge> and return values 11:03 < bridge> and stack 11:03 < bridge> ah ok, for 64-bit i assume then? 11:03 < bridge> in x32 it used the stack cuz not many registers 11:03 < bridge> in x64 it passes some parameters with registers 11:03 < bridge> iirc 11:04 < bridge> yeah, i only know 32-bit intel syntax 11:04 < bridge> never worked with 64-bit asm 11:04 < bridge> rust itself 11:04 < bridge> doesnt follow system v for calls between rust methos 11:04 < bridge> this is why u need extern "C" 11:04 < bridge> iirc 11:04 < bridge> https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/85641 11:04 < bridge> when interfacing with C 11:04 < bridge> ez 11:05 < bridge> i take that 1% more perf 😎 11:05 < bridge> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calling_convention 11:05 < bridge> more here 11:06 < bridge> > One calling sequence, defined by Microsoft, is used on Windows; the other calling sequence, specified in the AMD64 System V ABI, is used by Unix-like systems and, with some changes, by OpenVMS. As x86-64 has more general-purpose registers than does 16-bit x86, both conventions pass some arguments in registers. 11:31 < bridge> @jupeyy_keks https://llvmweekly.org/issue/517 11:31 < bridge> my blog post is on the llvm weekly 11:31 < bridge> :gigachad: 11:35 < bridge> Nice even with your real name as notice xd 11:35 < bridge> xd 11:35 < bridge> well my web has the real name 11:47 < bridge> mornin fellas 11:54 < bridge> what time is it 11:54 < bridge> did u sleep 11:54 < bridge> No 11:54 < bridge> i have to do the flip flop 11:54 < bridge> woke up at 5 pm 11:54 < bridge> xd 12:14 < bridge> how are u doing 12:18 < bridge> nice, got into a llvm newsletter 12:18 < bridge> cool 12:18 < bridge> i bought the cosmic crisp apples 12:18 < bridge> these ones even look pretty shitty and a little brown like they've been sitting for a while 12:18 < bridge> but they still taste better than all other kinds of apple 12:18 < bridge> but they are expensive 12:18 < bridge> im not fan of apples 12:18 < bridge> like $5.50 for 3 lbs 12:18 < bridge> they are a good snack 12:19 < bridge> if the alternative is something shitty that will leave u feeling shitty 12:19 < bridge> i guess i just dont snack 12:19 < bridge> weird 12:19 < bridge> i dont eat meals like i should 12:20 < bridge> but i eat quite conscious 12:20 < bridge> that would require a routine past get up -> go to computer -> get brothers from school -> go to computer -> take dog out -> go to sleep 12:20 < bridge> sometimes i eat nuts with whipped cheese, the one thats 0% 12:20 < bridge> xd 12:20 < bridge> wait 12:20 < bridge> whipped cheese 12:20 < bridge> idk if its nuts 12:20 < bridge> like cream cheese ? or wat 12:20 < bridge> whipped cheese = queso batido? 12:20 < bridge> idk the word 12:20 < bridge> what's batido 12:20 < bridge> it just got proteins 12:20 < bridge> and no fat 12:21 < bridge> batido is like steered? 12:21 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1179381595543699486/00118395000047____3__325x325.png?ex=657993b4&is=65671eb4&hm=675245463cc6a2a69fc0b69b2b1b2d3946b7fe9778fec106da6a79f340880ef1& 12:21 < bridge> literally this 12:21 < bridge> + nuts 12:21 < bridge> does it taste like cheese 12:21 < bridge> nuts have the healthy type of fat 12:22 < bridge> ye, but its almost neutral flavour 12:22 < bridge> it sounds like a regional delicacy 12:22 < bridge> as in it doesnt taste much 12:22 < bridge> i am imagining cheese yogurt 12:22 < bridge> but the nuts give it enough taste for me to be edible 12:22 < bridge> xd 12:22 < bridge> its like yogurt yes 12:22 < bridge> but not quite 12:22 < bridge> lol i see 12:23 < bridge> i like nuts 12:23 < bridge> but they are very expensive 12:23 < bridge> are american nuts as healthy tho 12:23 < bridge> in spain its rly common 12:23 < bridge> are they not the same nuts... 12:23 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1179382134327218227/142278_00_1.png?ex=65799434&is=65671f34&hm=9db618cb6233eead9d3d776d4c48c9ec05e97eb32c9872ab7376de571bebaf71& 12:23 < bridge> walnuts 12:23 < bridge> idk 12:23 < bridge> 3.7€ 12:23 < bridge> according to google 12:23 < bridge> you put the least flavorful nut in your whipped cheese 12:24 < bridge> 30g 12:24 < bridge> 350g 12:24 < bridge> the most healthy 12:24 < bridge> xd 12:24 < bridge> probably not by a wide margin 12:24 < bridge> though i like walnuts 12:24 < bridge> i like a mixed nuts more tho 12:24 < bridge> almonds cashews walnuts 12:24 < bridge> maybe peanuts but not usually. i dont like peanuts themselves 12:25 < bridge> they taste chalky 12:25 < bridge> i like walnuts at this point 12:25 < bridge> also the cheese fills you easy 12:25 < bridge> it's a high protien food 12:25 < bridge> gotta get the muscle 12:25 < bridge> the most sustaining macro nutrient 12:25 < bridge> each protien is like 9 calories or something 12:26 < bridge> based on my recollection of freshman year biology 12:26 < bridge> xd 12:26 < bridge> it's not necessarily about muscle 12:26 < bridge> idk yeah 12:26 < bridge> its for sure more healthy than having pizza 12:26 < bridge> for breakfast 12:26 < bridge> i read this today on a whatsapp group 12:26 < bridge> xdd 12:27 < bridge> yes you need lots of protien to build muscle but you need to eat lots of protein even in a deficit or when trying to stay the same bcs otherwise you just lose muscle 12:27 < bridge> also why it's counterproductive to eat empty carbs/sugars and fats, and expect to keep muscle while gaining weight 12:27 < bridge> bulking as u might call it 12:27 < bridge> yeah 12:27 < bridge> gotta balance your diet ..... 12:27 < bridge> thats why u want high protein low calorie 12:28 < bridge> yea 12:28 < bridge> i think 12:28 < bridge> im no expert 12:28 < bridge> depends on what your goal is 12:28 < bridge> based on my understanding 12:28 < bridge> high protien low calorie = lose fat, sustain and build muscle 12:28 < bridge> high protien high calorie = gain weight, sustain and build muscle 12:28 < bridge> i just think it would be hard to do on merica 12:28 < bridge> or more expensive 12:28 < bridge> yeah 12:28 < bridge> they give u giant sized portions 12:29 < bridge> they use bad oil 12:29 < bridge> iirc 12:29 < bridge> corn and seed oils are by far the most popular 12:29 < bridge> or butter 12:29 < bridge> don't knock butter it's awesome in moderation 12:29 < bridge> unlike shitty seed oils which serve no purpose other than to be cheaper than a good oil like avocado or olive or whatever 12:29 < bridge> i only buy good oil 12:30 < bridge> luckily i live in the country that exports the best oil 12:30 < bridge> same but there is no guarantee for other things we buy at the store 12:30 < bridge> i use extra virgin olive oil 12:30 < bridge> they are usually made with Shittiest oil 12:30 < bridge> us too 12:30 < bridge> and well i try to not use too much 12:30 < bridge> non stick pans best 12:30 < bridge> no way 12:31 < bridge> as long as you're gentle to them they are fine 12:31 < bridge> a well seasoned cast iron or stainless steal skillet will let u use the same amount of oil + have the same nonstick properties as a teflon pan 12:31 < bridge> they are just harder to maintain 12:31 < bridge> xd 12:31 < bridge> u sound like a expert 12:31 < bridge> they have superior heat retention 12:31 < bridge> so ur food heats more evenly 12:31 < bridge> i just have my pan ok 12:32 < bridge> i got it for 30€ i think 12:32 < bridge> also much safer to ingest a flake of polymerized food oil than a flake of teflon once your coating goes bad 12:32 < bridge> :justatest: 12:32 < bridge> i own many pans 12:32 < bridge> prob 45lbs of cast iron in my cabinets 12:32 < bridge> damn 12:32 < bridge> give some 12:32 < bridge> xd 12:32 < bridge> they so expensive 12:32 < bridge> i only got 2 12:32 < bridge> not hard to find at second hand stores but expect to do some restoration 12:33 < bridge> we got some caraway pans a few months ago which are nonstick but they are also not teflon 12:33 < bridge> better for the environment and safer to ingest 12:33 < bridge> good in a pinch 12:33 < bridge> started recently living alone tho i guess thats why 12:33 < bridge> yea 12:33 < bridge> i will have to get rid of a lot of my possessions when i move out 12:46 < bridge> trying to make a windirstat ish app 12:46 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1179387957749227552/image.png?ex=657999a1&is=656724a1&hm=5e043e1f7d09e8b95c0de2a09c41c4ec2019f8008b3c6bf63dac89b7e7c8984c& 12:47 < bridge> ms fluent guidelines rly do make it hard to make space-efficient UIs 12:47 < bridge> the original app has tables with a bunch of columns that are all totally visible at a reasonable size 12:47 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1179388197302706186/image.png?ex=657999da&is=656724da&hm=e1a8b5e3a684dc821446fe3e8b62dc95260650c340101d1753285d7efc2d4cab& 12:47 < bridge> but if i busted out a table that complied with the fluent guidelines i would just get 2 chars per column and then ... xd 12:49 < bridge> xd 12:49 < bridge> imagine using windows 12:50 < bridge> make it with gtk 12:51 < bridge> @mpft how can u live with just 700gb 12:51 < bridge> this just the windows frontend 12:51 < bridge> i have 8tb across all disks 12:51 < bridge> windirstat reading is weird 12:51 < bridge> but they are ssd? 12:51 < bridge> or m2 12:51 < bridge> 3 m.2 which total 1.5TB 12:52 < bridge> then i have 2.5 tb of sata ssd 12:52 < bridge> 4tb hdd 12:52 < bridge> i got 2.5tb m2 12:53 < bridge> and 2tb ssd 12:53 < bridge> nice 12:53 < bridge> i lied 12:53 < bridge> i have 2.5tb in m.2 and 1.5 in sata ssd 12:54 < bridge> i pcie 4.0 500GB boot drive and 2 pcie 3.0 1tb disks in raid 0 12:54 < bridge> 1 pcie 4.0 500GB boot drive and 2 pcie 3.0 1tb disks in raid 0 12:55 < bridge> the sata disks are in a migratory period so to speak 12:55 < bridge> it’s my old drive so sometimes i just go there to find a file or whatever but they don’t rly get used 14:11 < bridge> i will sit on this design for a little bit 14:11 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1179409229740785715/image.png?ex=6579ad70&is=65673870&hm=b0e90f77d39a787946d0a8ac0f942680d5d78dafe8504b806bf8bdfe40c6a08f& 14:18 < bridge> i am out of salt for my eggs 14:22 < bridge> looks modern 14:22 < bridge> and windowsy 14:22 < bridge> i need t o make android apps to become rich 14:24 < bridge> like i said this is just the windows frontend 14:25 < bridge> it will look less windowsy but largely the same on other platform 14:30 < bridge> man doing assembly with nasm rly helped me 14:30 < bridge> use gdb and understand stuff 14:40 < bridge> i always used ollydbg like a caveman 14:41 < bridge> and by the time I discovered there were better tools interest had shifter 14:41 < bridge> d 14:48 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1179418609005625464/IMG_4345.jpg?ex=6579b62c&is=6567412c&hm=ebb6ee4ac9e336569a83ff310da0c54597e8fea62311c28cfffe21598c25667e& 14:48 < bridge> gm 14:51 < bridge> Leak 14:51 < bridge> The geo guessers will know xd 14:52 < bridge> deen already has my address 14:53 < bridge> it would be easier to ask him 14:55 < bridge> are these colors better .. .. .. . 14:55 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1179420380646088774/image.png?ex=6579b7d3&is=656742d3&hm=ad52468fdec16e544620f6fb018619a6f88549661850f6a69d599f1a8d8e0b3b& 15:07 < bridge> haha wtf i thought that was the screen panel where you set up your screens from windows settings at first XDD 15:08 < bridge> wait you don’t have 2,220,302 monitors 15:09 < bridge> managing ddnet spaghetti code is hard i know but.... 15:09 < bridge> XD 15:11 < bridge> today im playing with gdb at work 15:11 < bridge> you mean gdb will play with you 15:11 < bridge> finding a bug in a shared library made with mlir 15:11 < bridge> xd 15:11 < bridge> gdb with gef is niceee 15:20 < bridge> never heard of gef until now 15:20 < bridge> looks nice 15:32 < bridge> i heard about it from heinrich 15:32 < bridge> i use it daily 15:51 < bridge> @mpft ur a audio pro 15:51 < bridge> i got my 100€ bose speakers but 15:52 < bridge> i feel i can get more quality 15:52 < bridge> do u recommend some good 15:52 < bridge> good bass, and maybe good with music that sounds like synthwave? xd 15:52 < bridge> up to 200€ 15:58 < bridge> > You should always try to control the volume at the last part of the chain, which in this case, would be your speakers. Set the DAC and computer volume to max. If your speakers can't handle it(some speakers can't handle high input), then turn down the DAC volume a little bit. 15:58 < bridge> ok i havent been doing this 16:00 < bridge> well ppl don’t often make quality oriented computer speakers that aren’t monitors 16:00 < bridge> you can get some bookshelf speakers and they will sound good but you’ll probably have to wire it up 16:01 < bridge> @mpft i have a dac/amp fiio 16:01 < bridge> also if your room is very small or you are close to the speakers then that will suck 16:01 < bridge> i think the speakers i have are active 16:01 < bridge> so they also have a internal amp 16:01 < bridge> should i get passive speakers? 16:01 < bridge> depends on what your amp can do 16:01 < bridge> the room with pc is not small 16:01 < bridge> im a bit close to the speakers i think 16:01 < bridge> xd 16:02 < bridge> yeah i wouldn’t go much bigger 16:02 < bridge> do you want accurate audio or a ‘fun’ listening profile 16:02 < bridge> idk if accurate means good 16:02 < bridge> idk 16:02 < bridge> xd 16:02 < bridge> changing the dac to full and adjusting volume at the speaker seems better now 16:02 < breton> KEF Q150 and a subwoofer 16:03 < bridge> i also put the speakers a bit further 16:03 < bridge> Q150 expensive 16:04 < bridge> also concerned bookshelf speakers will provide a bad experience if he is rly close to them 16:04 < breton> or Q100 16:05 < bridge> firstly what outputs does ur amp have 16:08 < bridge> fiio k3 16:08 < bridge>