00:00 < bridge_> waste of compute hours 00:00 < bridge_> waste of emails 00:00 < bridge_> waste of greenhouse gas emissions 00:01 < bridge_> OMG, it seems the whole time i didn't even have rust installed to begin with. how did cmake generation succeed? 00:01 < bridge_> does the cmake not check for rust? 00:11 < bridge_> im 99.8% sure it does lol 00:11 < bridge_> seen it 00:12 < bridge_> does that count as "check for"? 00:12 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1144756309518991511/image.png 00:16 < bridge_> > error: linker `C:\msys2\mingw64\bin\mold.exe` not found 00:17 < bridge_> > ewan@ewanl ~/.c/fish> /c/msys64/mingw64/bin/mold.exe -v 00:17 < bridge_> mold 2.1.0 (compatible with GNU ld) 00:17 < bridge_> ``` 00:17 < bridge_> ewan@ewanl ~/.c/fish> /c/msys64/mingw64/bin/mold.exe -v 00:17 < bridge_> mold 2.1.0 (compatible with GNU ld) 00:17 < bridge_> ``` 00:17 < bridge_> lol 00:17 < bridge_> ffs 00:17 < bridge_> try manually adding it to PATH if not done already.. maybe? idk.. weird 00:18 < bridge_> what's that got to do with the path 00:19 < bridge_> sometimes stuff is weird 01:15 < bridge_> using const char* in all of these containers is going to be an incredible pain in the ass 01:15 < bridge_> you really think i shouldn't use std string? 01:30 < bridge_> do you mean this for use in other containers as well 01:31 < bridge_> i'm happy to replace freestanding std strings with char ptrs 01:59 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1144783171762794586/Screenshot_1.png 01:59 < bridge_> Is there anyone who can help me? 02:00 < bridge_> I also had this problem, but on linux 02:00 < bridge_> switching to opengl3.3 worked for me 02:01 < bridge_> unusual 02:01 < bridge_> i noticed that somehow, on my 2GB vram GT 1030, the game was able to load my plethora of skins on OpenGL 3 but not on Vulkan 02:01 < bridge_> does GL have some sort of automatic system memory backing for textures 02:04 < bridge_> yes 02:04 < bridge_> opengl manages the memory by itself 02:10 < bridge_> that's gotta be possible in vulkan right 02:11 < bridge_> you just have to do it yourself 07:59 < bridge_> What's your hardware 07:59 < bridge_> Yes but swapping memory around can potentially be problematic 08:27 < bridge_> Jup how to make async skin and asset loading work good 08:27 < bridge_> Still stuck with the wait x ms on main thread approach 08:28 < bridge_> Why do u wait. What's the context for waiting? 08:31 < bridge_> If I don't wait then it just goes again and the other thread misses its chance to do its work. This happens a bunch of times until eventually, the main thread's and other thread's window of having finished line up to where the other thread starts, and then it hogs the thread 08:32 < bridge_> By waiting I'm expanding this window so that the other thread can do what it needs to pretty much every time 08:33 < bridge_> but it's fickle because it will have to be a different amount of time depending on speeds of stuff that we can't predict. i want to avoid it entirely 08:33 < bridge_> make it smart 08:34 < bridge_> So your problem is that new tasks are given too late? 08:37 < bridge_> well, the other thread is responsible for loading the file from disk, decompressing the png, and preparing the CImageInfo. that CImageInfo is added to a fifo which is protected by a mutex, and the main thread takes the CImageInfo and slices it & uploads its texture to the GPU whenever it gets a chance 08:38 < bridge_> Yep, and your problem is that the other thread blocks this mutex too often? 08:38 < bridge_> Yes 08:38 < bridge_> The other thread just works until its done, waiting only on the mutex. the main thread is obviously bound to the game refresh rate 08:39 < bridge_> Sounds Like you want to introduce condition variables 08:39 < bridge_> like a semaphore or smth? 08:39 < bridge_> But the problem is not that you simply have two million tasks? Xd 08:40 < bridge_> It's more like a notifier 08:40 < bridge_> they are not running in parallel, there are 2 tasks running at once 08:40 < bridge_> main & other 08:40 < bridge_> 2 threads 08:40 < bridge_> im not using a thread pool or anything that would warrant one 08:40 < bridge_> Notify as soon as I can continue work . It frees the mutex while waiting 08:41 < bridge_> In this case i meant the tasks scheduled for the file loading. Not threads^^ 08:41 < bridge_> ohhh ya i was gonna try that, and then i discovered that i couldn't do it without inheriting my other thread stuff from IJob iirc?? 08:41 < bridge_> but now i am using a job 08:41 < bridge_> As in: the file thread is always busy 08:42 < bridge_> yeah 08:42 < bridge_> maybe i could try and make the cimageinfo atomic as well 08:42 < bridge_> so it just reads whenever it needs to without waiting 08:42 < bridge_> That doesn't work 08:43 < bridge_> sad 08:43 < bridge_> not like std atomic lol 08:43 < bridge_> like fundamentally making the cimageinfo members lockfree 08:43 < bridge_> But that has other guarantees than a mutex 08:44 < bridge_> Eg the timing could be off and lead to unexpected states on one thread 08:44 < bridge_> what like data tearing 08:44 < bridge_> i mean i suppose so 08:44 < bridge_> my laptop is about to die 08:45 < bridge_> Where is your gamer pc, you bought 08:46 < bridge_> Home 08:46 < bridge_> i am not home 08:46 < bridge_> not been for a week 08:54 < bridge_> @robyt3 sorry for ping, i remember you telling me about a way to signal to the main thread using a job and I don’t remember what it is 10:00 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1144904131442655233/RDT_20230826_0959583066912032260470824.jpg 10:01 < bridge_> bro wtf is wrong with the gitlab search field for issues 10:01 < bridge_> who coded that shit lmao 10:03 < bridge_> Smort 10:04 < bridge_> if you have the patience to sift through code subjected to the mangling that is compiler optimization 10:04 < bridge_> then all software is open source 10:05 < bridge_> all code is open source for the underlaying hardware 😂 10:05 < bridge_> true… 10:08 < bridge_> this reminded me i wanna master asm with nasm 10:08 < bridge_> ill do that on work hours :gigachad: 10:09 < bridge_> 😇 10:19 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1144908998223593482/RDT_20230826_1019272034495214965960666.jpg 10:21 < bridge_> The only built-in way to synchronize with a `IJob` is its `Status`. You would start a job and keep a shared_ptr to it somewhere you started it. Then you periodically check if the job is done and use the result in that case. 10:21 < bridge_> thinks that never happen 10:21 < bridge_> things that never happen 11:16 < bridge_> sometimes i have the urge to make my own version of llvm 11:25 < bridge_> dont hold it back 11:46 < bridge_> ``` 11:46 < bridge_> Error of failed request: BadRRCrtc (invalid Crtc parameter) 11:46 < bridge_> Major opcode of failed request: 140 (RANDR) 11:46 < bridge_> Minor opcode of failed request: 20 (RRGetCrtcInfo) 11:46 < bridge_> Crtc id in failed request: 0x0 11:46 < bridge_> Serial number of failed request: 4058 11:46 < bridge_> Current serial number in output stream: 4058 11:46 < bridge_> ``` 11:46 < bridge_> wat 12:11 < bridge_> can we maybe add something like https://github.com/arsenm/sanitizers-cmake to make it easier to use them? 12:20 < bridge_> if u use the vscode workspace it's easy to use them 12:21 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1144939628160360488/image.png 12:26 < bridge_> I do, but these dont show up for me. Maybe I didnt install them correctly? 12:27 < bridge_> other/vscode/ddnet.code-workspace 12:27 < bridge_> ? 12:27 < bridge_> r u on windows? 12:27 < bridge_> on windows its probably harder to get them working 12:28 < bridge_> oh sorry thought you meant something different, in that case i am not 12:28 < bridge_> no im using linux 12:35 < bridge_> got it working, thanks! 12:39 < ChillerDragon> for me the cmd from the readme for asan just works 12:39 < ChillerDragon> what breaks for you? 12:43 < bridge_> they probably work just fine, its just that I have no idea how to configure them with the cmake extension manually 12:50 < ChillerDragon> @Iza fyi i did release a new chillerbot-ux version 13:01 < bridge_> ``` 13:01 < bridge_> other/vscode/lldbinit.py:7:0: W0311: Bad indentation. Found 4 tabs, expected 1 (bad-indentation) 13:01 < bridge_> other/vscode/lldbinit.py:10:0: W0311: Bad indentation. Found 4 tabs, expected 1 (bad-indentation) 13:01 < bridge_> other/vscode/lldbinit.py:13:0: W0311: Bad indentation. Found 4 tabs, expected 1 (bad-indentation) 13:01 < bridge_> other/vscode/lldbinit.py:14:0: W0311: Bad indentation. Found 4 tabs, expected 1 (bad-indentation) 13:01 < bridge_> other/vscode/lldbinit.py:15:0: W0311: Bad indentation. Found 4 tabs, expected 1 (bad-indentation) 13:01 < bridge_> ``` 13:01 < bridge_> 13:01 < bridge_> python 😬 13:11 < ChillerDragon> axaxax 13:23 < bridge_> ахаахх 13:25 < bridge_> no puy 13:25 < bridge_> py 13:26 < bridge_> good that GPT wrote most of the python code for me 13:26 < bridge_> it's against my pride to write python code 😬 cringe mode on 13:27 < bridge_> As much as I hate writing python, using gpt is more 😬 13:30 < ChillerDragon> agreed with lerato 13:31 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1144957406099558520/image.png 13:36 < bridge_> i feel the energy flowing 13:36 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1144958492038397972/image.png 14:06 < ChillerDragon> lmao no way thats gpt shading on scripting langs 14:08 < bridge_> the screenshot itself is unedited xd 14:08 < bridge_> but maybe i told it smth before xd 14:12 < ChillerDragon> rigged 14:12 < ChillerDragon> jopsti full time prompt engineer 14:17 < ChillerDragon> woah i just noticed the emscripten section in the ddnet readme 14:17 < ChillerDragon> so it has smooth official support? To compile a web client that is fully functional? o.O is there some official instance? 14:19 < bridge_> it worked once havent tried lately 14:20 < bridge_> UDP support does not exists 14:20 < bridge_> so it's basically useless not working 14:21 < ChillerDragon> yea the udp thing i knew due to web. But the ddnet servers hhave websocket support dont they? 14:22 < bridge_> yes, but i guess 1. not enabled, 2. too bugy 14:22 < ChillerDragon> Also i saw some web clients that were functional just no file access so no mapping or demo viewing because of that. 14:22 < ChillerDragon> but all those were someones toy project 14:22 < bridge_> https://aliveclan.de/ddnettest/ 14:22 < ChillerDragon> thats why im surprised to see it in offical ddnet readme 14:22 < bridge_> https://aliveclan.de/ddnettest/load_map.html 14:22 < bridge_> ^ watch demos 14:22 < bridge_> watch maps 14:22 < ChillerDragon> oh pog 14:22 < bridge_> https://aliveclan.de/ddnettest/DDNet.html 14:22 < bridge_> full client 14:23 < bridge_> 15.9.1 14:23 < ChillerDragon> 15 14:23 < ChillerDragon> cring 14:23 < ChillerDragon> ye that one i know 14:23 < ChillerDragon> but no ddnet.org instance huh? 14:24 < ChillerDragon> this emscripten wrapper looks like it was made with scratch game maker by a 10yo 14:24 < ChillerDragon> watermark moment 14:24 < bridge_> xdd 14:24 < bridge_> there is nothing hosted by ddnet.org yes 14:25 < ChillerDragon> time to put it into an iframe and slap into a facebook ad. Make it connect to some server on load and buy 1mio impressions. Easy ddos. 14:26 < ChillerDragon> yea cool stuff jopsti 14:26 < ChillerDragon> when finish android client 14:27 < bridge_> it's finished xd 14:27 < ChillerDragon> sure xd 14:27 < bridge_> just plugin mouse and keyboard 14:27 < bridge_> i tested it over scrcpy 14:27 < ChillerDragon> compiling is not finished bruv 14:27 < bridge_> works without problems xD 14:27 < ChillerDragon> bro u gotta honor the mlg china gamer 14:28 < ChillerDragon> who gamed more ddnet points in one year not paying attention in school than me tryharding over decades on bleeding edge hardware 14:28 < ChillerDragon> he also deserves a android dev team 14:28 < ChillerDragon> alone* 14:28 < bridge_> lol 14:29 < bridge_> yes 14:29 < bridge_> you should sponsor that dev team for him 14:29 < ChillerDragon> ._. 14:37 < bridge_> chiller transfering to mobile 15:03 < bridge_> i am back 15:04 < bridge_> hey, was there a change regarding audio? i have a custom audio folder with some of the sounds deleted on purpose, and ever since a few days ago, those sounds now came back as the default sounds, even tho they are not in my custom audio folder. 15:04 < bridge_> before this, those deleted sounds would not make a noise ingame 15:06 < bridge_> If the files exist in your default `data` folder then they will get loaded from there anyway 15:06 < bridge_> If you want to disable some sounds, keep the files there but entirely empty 15:06 < bridge_> TIL that x86 actually has a instruction named "syscall" 15:07 < bridge_> i only knew int 80h 15:07 < bridge_> > The syscall instruction is the primary trap instruction in 64-bit x86 systems. Earlier x86 programs performed system calls by triggering an interrupt with the int $0x80 instruction; the kernel would use iret to return from the interrupt. 15:07 < bridge_> ohh 15:08 < bridge_> int 80h is used for 32bit i think 15:08 < bridge_> is this new tho? 15:08 < bridge_> https://www.felixcloutier.com/x86/syscall 15:08 < bridge_> https://www.felixcloutier.com/x86/sysenter 15:09 < bridge_> is this new tho? i havent changed anything and now i get the default sounds back 15:10 < bridge_> > For a 32bit kernel, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT are the only compatible pair. For a 64bit kernel in Long mode only (not Long Compat mode), SYSCALL/SYSRET are the only compatible pair. For Intel 64bit, IA32_EFER.SCE must be set, or SYSCALL will result in a #UD exception. IA32_EFER is an MSR at 0xC0000080, and SCE (SYSCALL Enable) is its 0th bit. 15:10 < bridge_> renamed default data audio folder and its good now, thanks :) 15:11 < bridge_> It's not new, the storage system has always worked like this. I don't know why it just started happening now. 15:11 < bridge_> If you change the default `data` then it will eventually come back when you do a Steam update or use the ingame updater 15:14 < bridge_> nice u doin x86 reverse engineering now? 15:19 < bridge_> im learning nasm 15:19 < bridge_> aka x86 xd 15:23 < ChillerDragon> cring even i knew syscall 15:24 < ChillerDragon> and int 80h 15:24 < ChillerDragon> used both in hello world xd 15:26 < bridge_> xd 15:28 < ChillerDragon> !p 04 00 00 42 3e fa 38 03 15:28 < bridge_> Command not found! 15:28 < chillerbot1> ```[twnet_parser v0.8.0][huffman=rust-libtw2] udp payload: 04 00 00 42 3e fa 38 03``` 15:28 < chillerbot1> ```--- 0.7``` 15:28 < chillerbot1> error 15:28 < chillerbot1> ```--- 0.6``` 15:28 < chillerbot1> error 15:29 < ChillerDragon> watafak is that 15:29 < ChillerDragon> my client sends this -.- 15:29 < ChillerDragon> i have virus sos 15:31 < ChillerDragon> oh 04 is ctrl isnt it? 15:31 < ChillerDragon> and 03 is the ctrl accept that heinrich trol did do stuff with 15:31 < ChillerDragon> !p 04 00 00 42 3e fa 38 04 15:31 < bridge_> Command not found! 15:31 < chillerbot1> ```[twnet_parser v0.8.0][huffman=rust-libtw2] udp payload: 04 00 00 42 3e fa 38 04``` 15:31 < chillerbot1> ```--- 0.7``` 15:31 < chillerbot1> ```: {'flags': , 'ack': 0, 'token': b'B>\xfa8', 'num_chunks': 0, 'connless_version': 1, 'response_token': b'\xff\xff\xff\xff'}``` 15:31 < ChillerDragon> yep! 15:31 < chillerbot1> ```: {'message_type': 'control', 'message_name': 'close', 'message_id': 4, 'reason': None}``` 15:31 < chillerbot1> ```--- 0.6``` 15:32 < chillerbot1> error 15:32 < ChillerDragon> it the last byte is 04 it detects ctrl close 15:32 < ChillerDragon> and 03 doesnt exist 15:32 < ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 idk if i shouldnt send it but maybe it would be nice to show it in the dissector even if its a removed message 15:33 < ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1693056773.png 15:33 < ChillerDragon> https://chillerdragon.github.io/teeworlds-protocol/06/ctrl_messages.html#NET_CTRLMSG_ACCEPT 15:35 < ChillerDragon> yea idk maybe it should also not be parsed 15:35 < ChillerDragon> since it never was part of the 0.7 spec during a release i think 15:46 < ChillerDragon> when merge #5949 ? :D 15:46 < chillerbot1> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5949 15:47 < bridge_> git rem */*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/ 15:47 < ChillerDragon> :c 15:50 < bridge_> woah apparently PIE is default on modern 64bit linux 15:50 < bridge_> it makes assembly harder xd 15:50 < ChillerDragon> u nob 15:50 < ChillerDragon> ``lea eax, rax`` 15:51 < bridge_> lea rath, 2 15:51 < ChillerDragon> axaxax 15:55 < ChillerDragon> opsi i broke 0.6 16:00 < bridge_> proof that we can't have both ;9 16:00 < ChillerDragon> time to kick 0.6 16:00 < ChillerDragon> i fixed alr 16:00 < ChillerDragon> because i speak better tw protocol than english 16:00 < bridge_> time to kick 0.7 16:00 < ChillerDragon> im native in 0.7 16:01 < bridge_> i'd be ok with kicking 0.6 too xd 16:01 < bridge_> kick c++ 16:01 < bridge_> but not after the pr is merged 16:01 < ChillerDragon> ddnet2 moment 16:01 < bridge_> and python 16:01 < bridge_> and kick windows support 16:01 < bridge_> but at the same time 16:01 < bridge_> also kick opengl 16:01 < bridge_> ClosedGL 16:01 < ChillerDragon> Metal all the way 16:01 < bridge_> MS ClosedGL 16:01 < bridge_> and kick <2022 distros 16:01 < ChillerDragon> distros? 16:02 < ChillerDragon> kick linux 16:02 < bridge_> Metal rusts 16:02 < bridge_> xd 16:02 < bridge_> like debian 11 16:02 < ChillerDragon> DirextX and Metal only 16:02 < bridge_> ew 16:02 < bridge_> kick chiller bot 16:02 < ChillerDragon> :c 16:02 < ChillerDragon> no proof 16:02 < bridge_> direct x metal = vulkan 16:02 < ChillerDragon> metal / direct = opengl 16:02 < bridge_> chillerdragon is an important person in our community 16:03 < bridge_> with his blabber 16:03 < bridge_> jopsti this, ryo tell me that, heinrich is x correct, lerato how to do this in C 16:03 < bridge_> chiller in a nutshell 16:03 < bridge_> actually idk what chiller asks learath 16:04 < bridge_> also: robyt drop 0.6 16:04 < ChillerDragon> xaxaxaax 16:04 < bridge_> :trollet: 16:04 < ChillerDragon> average chiler value 16:04 < bridge_> robyte works on server browser 16:04 < bridge_> i am scared 16:04 < bridge_> we promote closed servers soon 16:05 < bridge_> closed source 16:05 < bridge_> but he improved 200% perf in text 16:05 < ChillerDragon> ryowo good chiler impression but i say robsti instead of robyt 16:05 < bridge_> RawByte 16:05 < ChillerDragon> robi 16:05 < bridge_> robyt next job interview: "i improved the perfomance by 200% and brought 0$ profits to ddnet, but jupstar was happy" 16:06 < bridge_> :gigachad: 16:06 < bridge_> tbf 16:06 < bridge_> chiller r u still on that java job? 16:06 < bridge_> u must be a java pro now 16:06 < bridge_> 90% of news i read about performance, dont really improve the absolute performance a lot 16:06 < bridge_> 16:06 < bridge_> they simply optimize smth that is already insanely fast 16:07 < bridge_> and optimizing that by 2000% is not really the thing that will be noticable to the end user 16:07 < ChillerDragon> ryo i do not code for a living 16:07 < bridge_> it's still nice 16:07 < bridge_> if u look at the feature individual 16:07 < bridge_> this is true, and compilers already know how to squeeze more with novel techniques, but the problem is those techniques are just research and dont take into account compile times 16:07 < bridge_> which increase drastically 16:07 < bridge_> u dont chiller? 16:07 < bridge_> i thought u did 16:07 < ChillerDragon> i had a javaish job for like half a year 16:08 < bridge_> what u do now 16:08 < ChillerDragon> my code was so bad company went bankrupt 16:08 < bridge_> u travel with ur laptop showing tw 0.7 to the world 16:08 < ChillerDragon> ye 16:08 < bridge_> lmao 16:08 < ChillerDragon> i quit work to focus on 0.7 16:08 < ChillerDragon> jk 16:08 < ChillerDragon> i rather not disclose to much about my job 16:08 < ChillerDragon> since it can be used for finger printing my identiy 16:09 < bridge_> but is it code related 16:09 < bridge_> Yeah, the atlas performance improvements mostly apply when new glyphs are rendered for the first time, so it would only be noticeable if new glyphs keep being spammed in chat or something like that. Though using `std::unordered_map` and a better hash function for glyph lookup was also a good improvement for rendering cached glyphs. 16:09 < bridge_> or tech 16:09 < bridge_> or ur a farmer now 16:09 < ChillerDragon> its tech related ye 16:09 < bridge_> top5 things that will never happen in teeworlds: 16:09 < bridge_> 1. learath admitting c is shit 16:09 < bridge_> 2. breaking backward compability 16:09 < bridge_> 3. ddnet 2 16:09 < ChillerDragon> farmer xd 16:09 < bridge_> 4. accounts 16:09 < bridge_> 5. rust being replaced by smth better 16:09 < bridge_> xd 16:10 < bridge_> and i hear std::unordered_map itself is slow 16:10 < ChillerDragon> @konsti someone said accounts 16:10 < bridge_> compared to other impls 16:10 < ChillerDragon> jopsti i think lerato openly hates C 16:10 < bridge_> @robyt3 we know all glyphs right? cant we use a perfect hash function too? 16:10 < bridge_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_hash_function 16:11 < bridge_> @robyt3 what would be your opinion if a closed source mod is insanely successful.. much more than ddnet 16:11 < bridge_> 16:11 < bridge_> and ddnet advertised it bcs of new server browser xdd 16:11 < bridge_> 16:11 < bridge_> would you just accept it as progress 16:11 < bridge_> or would u be mad 16:11 < bridge_> or do u simply not care 16:11 < bridge_> xd so much not worth it 16:12 < bridge_> @jupeyy_keks all for perf 16:12 < bridge_> i follow ur religion 16:12 < bridge_> i bet the hash functions for integers are already really good 16:12 < bridge_> The hash consist of (font face, font size, glyph), I guess it could fit perfectly somehow, but hashing the font face pointer isn't ideal 16:12 < bridge_> hello 16:12 < bridge_> u make multiple hashmaps 16:12 < bridge_> for each font face 16:12 < bridge_> how to join game? 16:12 < bridge_> but its prob not worth it 16:13 < bridge_> well tbf, whenever i feel like i have a design flaw: 16:13 < bridge_> fixing it usually also resulted in more performance 😄 16:13 < bridge_> it seems to correlate up to a certain point 16:13 < bridge_> true 16:13 < bridge_> same with minimizing code 16:13 < bridge_> good design leads to good perf usually 16:13 < bridge_> less code means better cache? or smth like that 16:13 < bridge_> idk 16:13 < bridge_> install linux 16:13 < bridge_> apt install ddnet 16:13 < bridge_> DDNet 16:13 < bridge_> f1 -> connect ger.ddnet.org 16:14 < bridge_> where is new server browser idea 16:14 < bridge_> I wouldn't say it's much advertisement. DDNet community would still be the default selection. And all the communities get is an icon in the server list that says they are a bit more trustworthy than the rest. 16:14 < bridge_> once these things are broken updates will be so much fun 16:14 < bridge_> i know 16:14 < bridge_> i am team future 16:15 < bridge_> bro 16:15 < bridge_> it's your own issue xD 16:15 < bridge_> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5654 16:15 < bridge_> idk how to START with any of those 16:15 < bridge_> minus the logo 16:15 < bridge_> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5654#issuecomment-1612162585 16:15 < bridge_> deens proposal 16:15 < bridge_> ? 16:15 < bridge_> i kinda dislike it tbh 16:15 < bridge_> dunno why 16:15 < bridge_> i think ddnet should take a clear stance, and only support free software mods, we can create a environment where open source mods are the norm, and closed source mods get a massive disadvantage, we shouldnt support a community that doesnt give back, it will lead to tw and ddnet itself to die, specially in the case a new mod network like ddnet erupts due to modding 16:15 < bridge_> can't explain logically 16:16 < bridge_> well i answered your question 16:16 < bridge_> teeworlds lasted this long thanks to free software 16:16 < bridge_> if that wasnt the right answer. do a better question 16:16 < bridge_> and the excuse kog gives to not be open source is stupid af 16:16 < bridge_> its just that they dont want to admit 16:16 < bridge_> kog is user hostile 16:17 < bridge_> 2000% is a lie my fps didnt go from 120 to 2400 16:17 < bridge_> i want to have my essential freedoms 16:17 < bridge_> have the four essential freedoms: (0) to run the program, (1) to study and change the program in source code form, (2) to redistribute exact copies, and (3) to distribute modified versions. 16:17 < bridge_> the truth is simple: 16:17 < bridge_> kog source code is probably a mess 16:17 < bridge_> and he ain't wanna maintain it xD 16:17 < bridge_> buy new hardware past human 16:17 < bridge_> he doesnt wanna open source it claiming "he doesnt want to accept contributions" but thats not a reason not to open source it 16:18 < bridge_> i am from future and can ensure you. Buy new hardware 16:18 < bridge_> u can open source it with a free software license AND not accept contributions 16:18 < bridge_> who you 16:18 < bridge_> says the white name 16:18 < bridge_> I am an AI trained to answer questions quickly 16:18 < bridge_> i started thinking about it since every other game runs at 10-20 fps 16:18 < bridge_> :troll: 16:18 < bridge_> How are you? 16:18 < bridge_> Hey buddy. 16:18 < bridge_> no 16:18 < bridge_> hi new person 16:18 < bridge_> :monkalaugh: 16:19 < bridge_> @jupeyy_keks the problem though is that kog existing is appealing to deen and heinrich due to ddnet having such a big exposure in the ecosystem, but i think this is just accept a "lesser evil" to fix the problem 16:19 < bridge_> and its bad 16:19 < bridge_> @flurcxyy for more questions use #questions 16:19 < bridge_> 16:19 < bridge_> also make sure to explain in your question what you did on your own 16:19 < bridge_> 16:19 < bridge_> questions like "How can i join game" are not useful 16:19 < bridge_> kog is evil? i fucking knew it. 16:19 < bridge_> thanks for coming to my ted talk 16:19 < bridge_> i have to ask: What did you try 16:19 < bridge_> or What is your exact problem 16:19 < bridge_> so pretty obvious annoying questions 16:19 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1144999662512787617/image.png 16:20 < bridge_> "Play" 16:20 < bridge_> cikis to you as well 16:21 < bridge_> yeah i personally don't even care if KoG is advertised as trusted 16:21 < bridge_> 16:21 < bridge_> I just dunno why ddnet, which allows to host almost any open source mod 16:21 < bridge_> suddenly has to do "fair" server browsers 16:21 < bridge_> as if these closed source mods have done anything for us 16:21 < bridge_> yeah 16:21 < bridge_> Why doesn't Avo simply do account system 16:21 < bridge_> 16:21 < bridge_> the ideas are clear 16:21 < bridge_> ngl i made my thing open source because i suck at coding and cant do half the features i want to do 16:21 < bridge_> i also wanna keep ddnet tab itself 16:21 < bridge_> and 16:21 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1145000132065112206/image.png 16:21 < bridge_> klick on DDNet 16:21 < bridge_> r u using a bot client 16:21 < bridge_> click on DDNet 16:22 < bridge_> why doesit look like that 16:22 < bridge_> uh og 16:22 < bridge_> thanks 16:22 < bridge_> bro put the ddnet screenshots through ai 16:22 < bridge_> i think he indeed translated his text somehow xD 16:22 < bridge_> google lense looks similar 16:22 < bridge_> lmao true 16:23 < bridge_> he is the true ai enjoyer 16:23 < bridge_> xd 16:23 < bridge_> future human 16:23 < bridge_> welcome to community 16:23 < bridge_> guys 16:23 < bridge_> support unique 16:23 < bridge_> we open source 16:23 < bridge_> https://uniqueclan.net/ 16:23 < bridge_> xDD 16:23 < bridge_> https://github.com/unique-clan 16:23 < bridge_> most random advertisement 16:23 < bridge_> also coolest logo around 16:23 < bridge_> better than ddnet 16:23 < bridge_> ddnet logo is perfect wym 16:24 < bridge_> sketch out a better logo 16:24 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1145000708714803302/unique.png 16:24 < bridge_> wh ytf it look like that 16:24 < bridge_> you made it with ms paint 16:24 < bridge_> did u just assume my OS 16:24 < bridge_> ill report u 16:24 < bridge_> cope harder 16:24 < bridge_> ms paint best 16:24 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1145000925346402364/tournament.png 16:24 < bridge_> xd 16:25 < bridge_> ok give me a moment 16:25 < bridge_> best map web https://uniqueclan.net/maps 16:25 < bridge_> "Epic powerpoint logo generator online free" 16:25 < bridge_> each map has a download button too 16:25 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1145001093676400730/image.png 16:26 < bridge_> international 16:26 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1145001254804803624/image.png 16:26 < bridge_> :Kapp: 16:28 < bridge_> heres a logo for fng i made 16:28 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1145001794720780408/image.png 16:28 < bridge_> (optional background) 16:29 < bridge_>