00:10 < bridge_> Hi, 00:10 < bridge_> 00:10 < bridge_> Are you tired of hearing how easy it is to make Crypto and to find out that nothing works? 00:10 < bridge_> 00:10 < bridge_> Do you want to grow your Crypto and generate BTC daily? 00:10 < bridge_> 00:10 < bridge_> If so, then look no further! - CLICK HERE 00:10 < bridge_> 👇 👇 👇 👇 00:10 < bridge_> https://t.me/PROFITSWITHSTEVE 00:10 < bridge_> 00:10 < bridge_> To your success! 00:10 < bridge_> 00:10 < bridge_> Ps. 100% Hands-Free, High QUALITY Traffic 09:17 < bridge_> think I've seen it before. not sure in which context 09:29 < bridge_> https://edgarluque.com/blog/daily-gentoo/ 09:29 < bridge_> > this time I decided it wasn't that worth it encrypting my whole disk, so I went a simpler way. 09:29 < bridge_> sounds like a bad idea 09:30 < bridge_> the only benefit of that is less complexity. if that complexity is harder in gentoo than in arch linux, then I'd advocate against using gentoo 10:16 < bridge_> its not harder its the same 10:17 < bridge_> its just that i didnt want to bother at a time 10:17 < bridge_> and well its not my laptop its my home pc 10:17 < bridge_> idk i just thought it wasnt worth it 10:17 < bridge_> also i think there is slightly less disk perfomance 10:18 < bridge_> and one of the reasons i wanted gentoo too was to achieve maximum perf 10:18 < bridge_> https://blog.apnic.net/2021/06/17/how-a-small-free-ip-tool-survived/ 10:19 < bridge_> one of my grips with c++ is that = can mean many different things in many contexts, and overloard right? 10:19 < bridge_> in rust u always know what it means 10:19 < bridge_> one of my grips with c++ is that = can mean many different things in many contexts, and overloads right? 10:20 < bridge_> @heinrich5991 u sure they arent called? 10:20 < bridge_> it compiles 😉 10:22 < bridge_> well i guess that makes sense then xD 10:26 < bridge_> @heinrich5991 what do i need to get asan ubsan etc? just clang? valgrind? 10:27 < bridge_> ubsan clang I think 10:27 < bridge_> not sure about asan etc. 10:27 < bridge_> ubsan: pass `-fsanitize=undefined` 10:27 < bridge_> https://master1.ddnet.org/cdn-cgi/trace 10:29 < bridge_> `UBSAN_OPTIONS=suppressions=./ubsan.supp:log_path=./SAN:print_stacktrace=1:halt_on_errors=0 ASAN_OPTIONS=log_path=./SAN:print_stacktrace=1:check_initialization_order=1:detect_leaks=1:halt_on_errors=0 LSAN_OPTIONS=suppressions=./lsan.supp ./DDNet` 10:29 < bridge_> hm i dont see any output 10:34 < bridge_> if it doesnt say anything and just ddnet logs it means all is ok? 10:34 < bridge_> xd 10:37 < bridge_> doesnt show up on ldd 10:41 < bridge_> ok got it now xd 10:42 < bridge_> ``` 10:42 < bridge_> 10:42 < bridge_> ================================================================= 10:42 < bridge_> ==22179==ERROR: LeakSanitizer: detected memory leaks 10:42 < bridge_> 10:42 < bridge_> Direct leak of 72704 byte(s) in 1 object(s) allocated from: 10:42 < bridge_> #0 0x558d9f5f9d1e in malloc (/data1/edgar/ddnet/build/DDNet+0x1325d1e) 10:42 < bridge_> #1 0x7f62ff140f65 () 10:42 < bridge_> #2 0x7f62ff0c9caa () 10:42 < bridge_> 10:42 < bridge_> Direct leak of 6360 byte(s) in 5 object(s) allocated from: 10:42 < bridge_> #0 0x558d9f5f9e58 in calloc (/data1/edgar/ddnet/build/DDNet+0x1325e58) 10:42 < bridge_> #1 0x7f63135f2150 () 10:42 < bridge_> 10:42 < bridge_> Direct leak of 1152 byte(s) in 1 object(s) allocated from: 10:42 < bridge_> #0 0x558d9f5f9fe5 in realloc (/data1/edgar/ddnet/build/DDNet+0x1325fe5) 10:42 < bridge_> #1 0x7f63135f28e6 () 10:42 < bridge_> 10:43 < bridge_> Direct leak of 368 byte(s) in 3 object(s) allocated from: 10:43 < bridge_> #0 0x558d9f5f9d1e in malloc (/data1/edgar/ddnet/build/DDNet+0x1325d1e) 10:43 < bridge_> #1 0x7f63000a1377 () 10:43 < bridge_> 10:43 < bridge_> Direct leak of 176 byte(s) in 1 object(s) allocated from: 10:43 < bridge_> #0 0x558d9f5f9e58 in calloc (/data1/edgar/ddnet/build/DDNet+0x1325e58) 10:43 < bridge_> #1 0x7f631e9bfbde (/usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3+0x30bde) 10:43 < bridge_> 10:43 < bridge_> Direct leak of 8 byte(s) in 1 object(s) allocated from: 10:43 < bridge_> #0 0x558d9f5f9d1e in malloc (/data1/edgar/ddnet/build/DDNet+0x1325d1e) 10:43 < bridge_> #1 0x7f63135f1824 () 10:43 < bridge_> 10:43 < bridge_> Indirect leak of 164592 byte(s) in 521 object(s) allocated from: 10:43 < bridge_> leaks leaks 10:48 < bridge_> Tracer caught signal 11: addr=0x708 pc=0x55589917c477 sp=0x7f5b38bfed00 10:48 < bridge_> ==25949==LeakSanitizer has encountered a fatal error. 10:48 < bridge_> ==25949==HINT: For debugging, try setting environment variable LSAN_OPTIONS=verbosity=1:log_threads=1 10:48 < bridge_> ==25949==HINT: LeakSanitizer does not work under ptrace (strace, gdb, etc) 10:48 < bridge_> odd 10:48 < bridge_> running the pr for font index 10:49 < bridge_> im not using gdb lol 10:49 < bridge_> WARNING: found 3 unrecognized flag(s): 10:49 < bridge_> print_stacktrace 10:49 < bridge_> halt_on_errors 10:49 < bridge_> halt_on_errors 10:52 < bridge_> seems like a asan error 10:54 < bridge_> @robyt3 10:54 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1135857961634377768/image.png 10:54 < bridge_> seems like the text width isnt calculated nicely 10:54 < bridge_> for the bg 10:56 < bridge_> @ryozuki what mail server do you use? is it easy to set up? 10:57 < bridge_> i used to use postfix + dovecot, with mysql but nowadays i would use sqlite 10:57 < bridge_> but i dont self host since i had issues 10:57 < bridge_> with the wiki emails for chinese people 10:57 < bridge_> I wanna self host because I only send mails to myself 10:59 < bridge_> Selfhosting mail is fun to set up, but sadly big corpo mail hosters just filter all 3rd parties now 10:59 < bridge_> Cartel behaviour 10:59 < bridge_> postfix + dovecot aint bad but if u never setup a email server maybe is a bit 10:59 < bridge_> And they will never tell you why they filtered your mail, so you can’t even fix it 11:00 < bridge_> I'm just sending mails to myself 11:00 < bridge_> postfix for smtp, dovecot for imap 11:00 < bridge_> Can’t go wrong with postfix dovecot combo 11:01 < bridge_> if u use unix users its easier 11:01 < bridge_> if u want virtual users u need more setup 11:01 < bridge_> opendkim if u want dkim 11:01 < bridge_> I want to not receive emails from the oustide 11:01 < bridge_> but send emails to the outside 11:01 < bridge_> postfix then 11:02 < bridge_> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-postfix-as-a-send-only-smtp-server-on-ubuntu-22-04 11:02 < bridge_> thanks 🙂 11:02 < bridge_> Still need the dovecot for imap, but yeah you can have postfix sendonly 11:02 < bridge_> @heinrich5991 beware cloudflare doesnt protect MAIL dns records 11:03 < bridge_> i forgot the name of them 11:03 < bridge_> heinrich5991.de isn't behind cloudflare 11:03 < bridge_> ok 11:03 < bridge_> just sayin 11:03 < bridge_> MX 11:03 < bridge_> btw, I think 11:03 < bridge_> ye 11:03 < bridge_> postfix on its own will not run a server for receiving mail from the outside? no matter how I misconfigure it? 11:05 < bridge_> i think the key is 11:05 < bridge_> inet_interfaces = loopback-only 11:06 < bridge_> hmmm 11:06 < bridge_> that sounds like restricting what I send 11:07 < bridge_> that sounds like also restricting what I send 11:07 < bridge_> inet_interfaces (default: all) 11:07 < bridge_> 11:07 < bridge_> The local network interface addresses that this mail system receives mail on. 11:08 < bridge_> it doesnt say that here 11:08 < bridge_> It only restricts where you send from 11:08 < bridge_> https://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#inet_interfaces 11:08 < bridge_> you both say conflicitng things 😄 11:09 < bridge_> i say what the doc says 11:09 < bridge_> That setting will make the smtp server only bind to loopback. So it’ll effectively disable inbound mail from outside, but it’ll also stop outbound mail from outside 11:10 < bridge_> so it'll open another socket for sending mail to the outside? 11:11 < bridge_> i think he means u cant connect to the smtp server with ur mail client and send a email? 11:11 < bridge_> but not sure 11:11 < bridge_> there is also this https://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_bind_address 11:12 < bridge_> idk all tuts point to setting that 11:12 < bridge_> loopback 11:12 < bridge_> Yes, this is what I’m saying. Atleast that’s how I remember it 11:18 < bridge_> seems to work. thanks @ryozuki @learath2 11:21 < bridge_> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/1264 11:21 < bridge_> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/3954 11:21 < bridge_> we need to think about if we want to merge those 11:21 < bridge_> @learath2 what u say 11:21 < bridge_> i would merge them, but idk xd 11:22 < bridge_> well i reviewed 2 prs now 11:22 < bridge_> gg 11:22 < bridge_> been long since i did ddnet stuff xd 11:23 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1135865255675842560/image.png 11:23 < bridge_> 22mins 💀 12:29 < bridge_> @jupeyy_keks have you used lavapipe before? 12:29 < bridge_> I say I'm scared 12:30 < bridge_> Yes 12:31 < bridge_> Even on windows 12:31 < bridge_> Do you know if I can somehow spoof `VkPhysicalDeviceType` it returns? 12:32 < bridge_> This game refuses to use a device with type `VK_PHYSICAL_DEVICE_TYPE_CPU` 12:32 < bridge_> Yes it only uses it as last resort 12:32 < bridge_> Or by manually select in graphics settings 12:33 < bridge_> I'm forcing it properly, the game just refuses to use it 12:33 < bridge_> `[MainThread ] vulkan.cpp:2442 ERR| The only available GPU is of type VK_PHYSICAL_DEVICE_TYPE_CPU. Early exiting` 12:33 < bridge_> I guess I'll need to compile my own copy of lavapipe or mesa :/ 12:34 < bridge_> If you even talking about ddnet xd 12:34 < bridge_> Lol rip 12:35 < bridge_> Linux gaming is still not there ngl, this optimus setup is PAIN 12:36 < bridge_> I wonder if I can sneak in with frida and spoof the device type 12:36 < bridge_> Optimus is simply trash xd 12:37 < bridge_> Oh, I definitely did not know this simple fact. I'll get a better laptop next time 12:38 < bridge_> I hope u don't need more than 20fps in your game 12:38 < bridge_> Lavapipe isn't really fast 12:40 < bridge_> I just need to check if it runs 12:47 < bridge_> LOL, it does kinda run with DXVK -> Lavapipe 13:07 < bridge_> Hi 👋 13:07 < bridge_> 13:07 < bridge_> Are you sick & tired of seeing your crypto just go sideways and never pump? 13:07 < bridge_> 13:07 < bridge_> Day after day, you look at the same crypto charts and see little to no change? 13:07 < bridge_> 13:07 < bridge_> You keep waiting and waiting for the next bull run, but it doesn’t happen… 13:07 < bridge_> 13:08 < bridge_> Where’s the excitement of your crypto portfolio pumping to all-time highs? 13:08 < bridge_> 13:08 < bridge_> You look at your charts and wonder, is this all there is? 13:08 < bridge_> 13:08 < bridge_> You even consider selling your crypto, but then you remember the dude who bought a pizza with 10,000 Bitcoin - and you don’t want to be that guy… 13:08 < bridge_> 13:08 < bridge_> Well, what if we told you there’s a way to INSTANTLY grow your crypto portfolio by 50%? 13:08 < bridge_> (and yes, we said INSTANTLY!) 13:08 < bridge_> 13:08 < bridge_> Check it out HERE 13:08 < bridge_> 👇👇👇 13:08 < bridge_> https://t.me/PROFITSWITHSTEVE 13:17 < bridge_> Mh, idk this is far more trouble than it's worth. I can't get ddnet running on the dgpu either 13:17 < bridge_> I can see how someone might just think linux gaming is bad because it doesn't work on their laptop 13:23 < bridge_> well i blame laptops being overly propietary 13:23 < bridge_> just dont get smth with optimus 13:24 < bridge_> Is also the question how old your laptop is. BCS normally a Intel GPU also offers vk 14:09 < bridge_> ChillerDragon: where can I download your client? 14:22 < bridge_> Ok, I got it working, now I no longer have time to play, but still 😄 14:22 < bridge_> xd 14:23 < bridge_> today i used raw ptrs on rust 14:23 < bridge_> sad day 14:23 < bridge_> 🤓 14:23 < bridge_> Haswell seems to have incomplete vk support, just couldn't get the game to run with it 14:24 < bridge_> and both it and my dgpu only have Vk1.2 but DXVK needs Vk1.3, so I couldn't use the dx version of the game either 14:25 < bridge_> what for? 14:25 < bridge_> to pass values to the MLIR JIT, 14:25 < bridge_> function call 14:25 < bridge_> nvm apparently I only got ddnet working 14:26 < bridge_> I'm about to start crying 14:26 < bridge_> cant u return the laptop 14:26 < bridge_> u will be in pains 14:26 < bridge_> It's an old laptop of mine, perfectly strong enough to casually game on 14:27 < bridge_> It's 10 years old but not like I'm trying to play god of war, I just wanted to play a bit of Hades 14:28 < bridge_> Though at the very least I'm happy to report ddnet works fine on either gpu 😄 14:31 < bridge_> xd 14:31 < bridge_> cant it run opengl tho 14:31 < bridge_> For ddnet all of our backends run fine on either gpu 14:31 < bridge_> jupstar pro 14:37 < bridge_> This whole experience is very meh, how do you even do this on non optimus laptops? do you just run the dgpu all the time for everything? 14:38 < bridge_> The whole graphics stack is SOOO convoluted, especially when you introduce wine in the middle, I still have no idea where what goes 14:41 < bridge_> get a linux friendly laptop 14:41 < bridge_> Like for some reason the nvidia vk layer that forces their gpu does a GLX command, but why? What does GLX have to do with VK? 14:42 < bridge_> It's a T440p, I think it's pretty well supported 15:24 < bridge_> Hi, 15:24 < bridge_> 15:24 < bridge_> Are you tired of hearing how easy it is to make Crypto and to find out that nothing works? 15:24 < bridge_> 15:24 < bridge_> Do you want to grow your Crypto and generate BTC daily? 15:24 < bridge_> 15:24 < bridge_> If so, then look no further! - CLICK HERE 15:24 < bridge_> 👇 👇 👇 👇 15:24 < bridge_> https://t.me/PROFITSWITHSTEVE 15:24 < bridge_> 15:24 < bridge_> To your success! 15:24 < bridge_> 15:24 < bridge_> Ps. 100% Hands-Free, High QUALITY Traffic 15:39 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1135929804810616832/image.png 15:39 < bridge_> quality software 15:40 < bridge_> when codecov 100% 15:47 < bridge_> no u 15:48 < bridge_> @jupeyy_keks do you have any idea why MESA has `MESA_VK_DEVICE_SELECT`? I was under the impression that mesa wasn't even supposed to be in the path when using a physical device 15:50 < bridge_> Maybe it just changes the order the devices are enumerated 15:51 < bridge_> But is mesa even in the path to do something like that? I thought we only used mesa when doing software rendering 15:52 < bridge_> I guess for Mesa drivers only. Because yeah normally it's job of the Vulkan loader 15:52 < bridge_> But Mesa is basically a default implementation for all drivers.. which u customize to your need or accelerate to what is supported hardware wise 15:53 < bridge_> That's also why all these VK drivers pop up lately 15:53 < bridge_> They don't have to implement a lot to have a working VK driver .. it's just not very optimized ^^ 15:55 < bridge_> "Vulkan Runtime 15:55 < bridge_> The Vulkan runtime and utility code in Mesa provides a powerful shared core for building Vulkan drivers. It’s a collection of base structures (think base classes in OOO) which allow us to implement a bunch of the annoying hardware-agnostic bits in common code. 15:55 < bridge_> 15:55 < bridge_> " 15:55 < bridge_> https://docs.mesa3d.org/vulkan/index.html 15:55 < bridge_> Go ahead built yet another driver xd 15:56 < bridge_> mesa is a vulkan driver impl 15:56 < bridge_> oh 15:56 < bridge_> It's quite hard to even understand what a "vulkan driver impl" is, it's not a kernel thing, is it an x driver? 15:57 < bridge_> like a opengl driver 15:57 < bridge_> xd 15:57 < bridge_> Xd 15:57 < bridge_> Hm, do all drivers go through MESA? I think nvidia and amd ship their own libGLs that have nothing to do with MESA, no? 15:58 < bridge_> OpenGL is bit different.. for Vulkan it's completely different anyway 15:58 < bridge_> Vulkan doesn't need to know about x or Wayland etc 15:58 < bridge_> Khronos gives surface extensions for these things 15:58 < bridge_> Core Vulkan theoretically doesn't work on surfaces 15:59 < bridge_> Focusing on VK, where does MESA come in then? 15:59 < bridge_> Mesa is the llvm for GPU stuff xd 16:00 < bridge_> That sounds wrong, llvm compiles stuff, mesa seems to provide implementations 16:00 < bridge_> I guess u could say it's just a standard to unify the drivers 16:02 < bridge_> It seems to me like mesa is directly the implementation for opengl/vk, but can also do hardware acceleration, for which it has drivers. Does that sound about right? 16:02 < bridge_> I think on it's own it doesn't directly do hardware acceleration.. it's basically the interface for that 16:03 < bridge_> But for Vulkan it's not need at all for Linux 16:03 < bridge_> BCS VK was designed to overcome these design flaws 16:03 < bridge_> There might be Mesa only VK extensions 16:04 < bridge_> But that doesn't imply it's needed for most stuff 16:04 < bridge_> OpenGL is more tricky BCS on how it's built around surfaces and stuff like vsync 16:04 < bridge_> Which isn't in opengls hand 16:06 < bridge_> So to your question. It will probably only work for drivers built on Mesa 16:06 < bridge_> Amdvlk will ignore it 16:06 < bridge_> So MESA in the case of VK would be just another vulkan driver? 16:06 < bridge_> The loader most probably too 16:07 < bridge_> Well there are multiple mesa drivers 16:07 < bridge_> Radv would be one 16:07 < bridge_> Lavapipe another 16:07 < bridge_> but it seems the nvidia one has nothing to do with mesa, so some vulkan drivers use mesa, others don't? 16:08 < bridge_> Yes 16:08 < bridge_> At least we don't know^^ 16:08 < bridge_> I see, quite confusing 16:09 < bridge_> What even confuses you 😄 16:09 < bridge_> Everyone quite loosely calls things "drivers", I'm not sure where what plugs. The drivers I know plug into the kernel DRM 16:09 < bridge_> Basically in Vulkan u never cominucate with anything that isn't Vulkan itself 16:10 < bridge_> Only exception is the surface which gives u a Vulkan texture 16:10 < bridge_> X seems to have drivers, Vulkan seems to have drivers, Mesa seems to have drivers 16:11 < bridge_> Nvidia seems to call it's vulkan driver libGLX 16:11 < bridge_> i am a rust driver 16:11 < bridge_> and soon car driver 16:11 < bridge_> X might be what ud can the surface extensions 16:11 < bridge_> It has to give u space to draw on 16:12 < bridge_> But it's not vks job to care about how it works . VK just expects it to work with Vulkan core 16:13 < bridge_> Who provides the vulkan core? 16:13 < bridge_> but yeah if u want to know how the user space communicates with kernel 16:13 < bridge_> Nvidia probably own kernel modules 16:13 < bridge_> Anything. Else drm 16:14 < bridge_> Even nvidia hooks into the drm nowadays 16:14 < bridge_> Nobody directly 16:14 < bridge_> U can code your own 16:14 < bridge_> So as far as vk is concerned, x and wayland doesn't exist 16:15 < bridge_> Yes. VK first of all is the API to communicate with the gpu 16:15 < bridge_> That the GPU has a surface is an extension 16:15 < bridge_> Just like in real life xd 16:15 < bridge_> Optimus xdd 16:24 < bridge_> This is a nice image 16:24 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1135941250965586012/high_level_loader.png 16:26 < bridge_> https://tenor.com/view/spock-vulcan-star-trek-gif-15242020 16:28 < bridge_> u know what haunts me 16:28 < bridge_> (signal: 11, SIGSEGV: invalid memory reference) 16:28 < bridge_> :justatest: 16:28 < bridge_> use rust ;0 16:28 < bridge_> use rust 😉 16:28 < bridge_> hmm 16:29 < bridge_> the https://www.rust-lang.org/ homepage no longer says "no segfaults" 16:29 < bridge_> both are physics change though... 16:29 < bridge_> ye im using rust 16:29 < bridge_> its because i do lot of unsafe 16:30 < bridge_> cuz i depend on software made in c++ 16:30 < bridge_> ur lovely llvm 16:30 < bridge_> @_voxeldoesart when does ddnet get epic logo like VK xd 16:30 < bridge_> https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/1/109db90ce1cd3150326c781a91585d1f01536515.png 16:30 < bridge_> He already has a hammer 16:30 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1135942720624541706/vulkan-1.png 16:30 < bridge_> nvidia's vulkan driver is showed into their GLX implementation 16:30 < bridge_> shoved* 16:31 < bridge_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1135942966100369468/Vulkan-Video_Dec22.png 16:31 < bridge_> we need more logos 16:31 < bridge_> I don't even know what makes Nvidia drivers always be trouble on Linux.. I guess some specific extensions desktop environment have to use 16:32 < bridge_> Epic 16:32 < bridge_> > Note that although both the GLVND and non-GLVND GLX client libraries share the same SONAME of libGL.so.1, only one of them at a time may be installed at a time. /usr/lib/libGL.so.367.57 is the non-GLVND GLX client library, and /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.0 is the GLVND GLX client library. 16:32 < bridge_> > This library is also used as the Vulkan ICD. 16:32 < bridge_> That logo for video rendering xd 16:32 < bridge_> This confused me so much today 16:33 < bridge_> OpenGL is mess anyway xd 16:33 < bridge_> Something that is supposed to have nothing to do with opengl being inside an opengl library 16:33 < bridge_> Not because opengl spec.. but everything around it 16:33 < bridge_> I think I have one last unresolved question, you said surfaces are extensions, where can I read about them? 16:34 < bridge_> Khr surface extension 16:34 < bridge_> https://registry.khronos.org/vulkan/specs/1.3-extensions/man/html/VK_KHR_surface.html 16:34 < bridge_> It's named differently per od 16:34 < bridge_> Os 16:34 < bridge_> The VK_KHR_surface extension is an instance extension. It introduces VkSurfaceKHR objects, which abstract native platform surface or window objects for use with Vulkan. It also provides a way to determine whether a queue family in a physical device supports presenting to particular surface. 16:34 < bridge_> 16:34 < bridge_> Separate extensions for each platform provide the mechanisms for creating VkSurfaceKHR objects, but once created they may be used in this and other platform-independent extensions, in particular the VK_KHR_swapchain extension. 16:35 < bridge_> https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Tools/blob/main/cube/cube.c 16:35 < bridge_> c code 16:35 < bridge_> for u 16:36 < bridge_> Ryo the better Google 16:37 < bridge_> im chatgpt5-rust 16:37 < bridge_> I think I understand what the stack looks like for vulkan now, one day I'll spend some time figuring out what it looks like for gl 16:37 < bridge_> It's not entirely different. Just that it's not really standarized 16:38 < bridge_> And that makes it a mess 16:38 < bridge_> Well in that case it seems the X server is still in the way unless DRI is involved 16:39 < bridge_> In OpenGL u have glx being the loader.. or egl 16:39 < bridge_> Or Nvidia's thing 16:39 < bridge_> And all need to be implemented by e.g. sdl2 16:39 < bridge_> Vulkan mostly doesn't need sdl at all 16:40 < bridge_> i dunno 16:40 < bridge_> Or better: u need it less, because more stuff is standardized xd 16:41 < bridge_> time for the 2nd coffee 16:41 < bridge_> What does glvnd do? 16:41 < bridge_> I think it's just vendor neutral loader 16:42 < bridge_> So basically OpenGL stub(?) 16:42 < bridge_> I'm not 100% sure but that's how I imagine it 16:43 < bridge_> So just that the shared object isn't vendor at a specific location 16:43 < bridge_> At a vendor 16:44 < bridge_> Anyway. This is simply a mess. I have no idea what the reasoning behind all this was.. it's probably like that before I and u were even born 16:44 < bridge_> Lmao 16:45 < bridge_> I know why there is a mess, it just developed over time rather than being designed properly 16:45 < bridge_> All GL calls used to go through X for a while there before DRI was a thing 16:46 < bridge_> But dri is dead isn't it 16:46 < bridge_> I could swear I compile mesa without it nowadays xd 16:46 < bridge_> Yep, it also died 16:47 < bridge_> Actually the open source drivers might still be using it 16:48 < bridge_> Let's see when Vulkan hits it's limit and we need yet another API xd 16:48 < bridge_> Learath2 and Jupstar are the same person 16:48 < bridge_> they're always confusing its and it's 16:48 < bridge_> It' 16:48 < bridge_> I could imagine one problem is maybe the static pipeline stuff 16:49 < bridge_> its* 16:49 < bridge_> Blame my keyboard xd 16:49 < bridge_> It's my 5th personality trained only on graphics 16:49 < bridge_> I just swipe 16:49 < bridge_> just say its 16:49 < bridge_> and when someone says 16:49 < bridge_> its wrong 16:49 < bridge_>