12:08 <+bridge> ``` 12:08 <+bridge> /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -march=native -mtune=native -ftree-vectorize -Wl,-E -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed -fuse-ld=lld -o pppd pppd-auth.o pppd-ccp.o pppd-chap-md5.o pppd-chap.o pppd-demand.o pppd-eap.o pppd-ecp.o pppd-fsm.o pppd-ipcp.o pppd-lcp.o pppd-magic.o pppd-main.o pppd-options.o pppd-session.o pppd-tty.o pppd-upap.o pppd-utils.o pppd-sys-linux.o pppd-chap_ms.o pppd-crypto_ms.o pppd-cbcp.o 12:08 <+bridge> libtool: link: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -march=native -mtune=native -ftree-vectorize -Wl,-E -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed -fuse-ld=lld -o pppd pppd-auth.o pppd-ccp.o pppd-chap-md5.o pppd-chap.o pppd-demand.o pppd-eap.o pppd-ecp.o pppd-fsm.o pppd-ipcp.o pppd-lcp.o pppd-magic.o pppd-main.o pppd-options.o pppd-session.o pppd-tty.o pppd-upap.o pppd-utils.o pppd-sys-linux.o pppd-chap_ms.o pppd-crypto_ms.o pppd-cbcp.o pppd-mppe.o pppd-ipv6cp.o pppd-eu 12:08 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/12/../../../../lib64/Scrt1.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:08 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/12/../../../../lib64/crti.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:08 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/12/crtbeginS.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:08 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-auth.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:08 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-ccp.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:08 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-chap-md5.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:08 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-chap.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-demand.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-eap.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-ecp.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-fsm.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-ipcp.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-lcp.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-magic.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-main.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-options.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-session.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-tty.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-upap.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: pppd-utils.o is incompatible with elf32-i386 12:09 <+bridge> ld.lld: error: too many errors emitted, stopping now (use --error-limit=0 to see all errors) 12:09 <+bridge> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status 12:09 <+bridge> make[2]: *** [Makefile:936: pppd] Error 1 12:09 <+bridge> make[2]: Leaving directory '/var/tmp/portage/net-dialup/ppp-2.5.0-r3/work/ppp-2.5.0/pppd' 12:09 <+bridge> make[1]: *** [Makefile:803: all] Error 2 12:09 <+bridge> make[1]: Leaving directory '/var/tmp/portage/net-dialup/ppp-2.5.0-r3/work/ppp-2.5.0/pppd' 12:09 <+bridge> make: *** [Makefile:524: all-recursive] Error 1 12:09 <+bridge> * ERROR: net-dialup/ppp-2.5.0-r3::gentoo failed (compile phase): 12:09 <+bridge> @learath2 i get this compiling ppp 12:09 <+bridge> do u think this is a lld specific error? 12:09 <+bridge> i use lld on gentoo 12:09 <+bridge> looks like something was compiled for the wrong arch? 12:09 <+bridge> elf32, how did that happen? 12:09 <+bridge> i wonder too xD 12:09 <+bridge> Well best way to check if its an lld issue is to try with ld 12:10 <+bridge> can i override the linker for this specific package only 12:10 <+bridge> LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -fuse-ld=lld" 12:10 <+bridge> is whati have 12:10 <+bridge> Seems gcc produced 64bit objects as requested, why lld is linking them into an elf32 binary idk 12:11 <+bridge> ``` 12:11 <+bridge> ppp version 2.5.0 12:11 <+bridge> Prefix...............: /usr 12:11 <+bridge> Runtime Dir..........: /run/pppd 12:11 <+bridge> Logfile Dir..........: /var/log/ppp 12:11 <+bridge> Plugin Dir...........: /usr/lib64/pppd/2.5.0 12:11 <+bridge> System CA Path ......: /etc/ssl/certs 12:11 <+bridge> With OpenSSL.........: yes 12:11 <+bridge> With libatm..........: no 12:11 <+bridge> With libpam..........: no 12:11 <+bridge> With libpcap.........: no 12:11 <+bridge> With libsrp..........: no 12:11 <+bridge> C Compiler...........: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -march=native -mtune=native -ftree-vectorize 12:11 <+bridge> Linker...............: /usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld -m elf_x86_64 -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed -fuse-ld=lld 12:11 <+bridge> 12:11 <+bridge> Features enabled 12:11 <+bridge> Microsoft Extensions.: yes 12:11 <+bridge> Multilink............: no 12:11 <+bridge> Plugins..............: yes 12:11 <+bridge> CBCP.................: yes 12:11 <+bridge> IPV6CP...............: yes 12:11 <+bridge> EAP-TLS..............: yes 12:11 <+bridge> PEAP.................: yes 12:11 <+bridge> systemd notifications: no 12:11 <+bridge> ``` 12:11 <+bridge> Yes you can override for one package 12:12 <+bridge> quick guide? xd 12:13 <+bridge> i think i know 12:13 <+bridge> LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -fuse-ld=ld" 12:13 <+bridge> right 12:13 <+bridge> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Portage/Advanced#Per-package_environment_variables 12:16 <+bridge> ``` 12:16 <+bridge> /etc/portage🔒 12:16 <+bridge> ❯ cat env/ld-linker 12:16 <+bridge> LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -fuse-ld=ld" 12:16 <+bridge> 12:16 <+bridge> /etc/portage🔒 12:16 <+bridge> ❯ cat package.env 12:16 <+bridge> net-dialup/ppp ld-linker 12:16 <+bridge> ``` 12:17 <+bridge> configure: error: in `/var/tmp/portage/net-dialup/ppp-2.5.0-r3/work/ppp-2.5.0': 12:17 <+bridge> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables 12:17 <+bridge> xd 12:17 <+bridge> i think the env is incremental right? so how can i set fuse-ld back to ld 12:17 <+bridge> is that the correct way? 12:28 <+bridge> hm this seems to happen when ldflags is wrong 12:29 <+bridge> Why not use mold systemwide? 12:33 <+bridge> because it may have bugs 12:33 <+bridge> like lld here 12:34 <+bridge> using mold with ppp fixed it tho 12:34 <+bridge> maybe i should use mold xD 12:34 <+bridge> iim just not sure its the best idea to use it systemwide 12:35 <+bridge> oh 12:35 <+bridge> in gentoo wiki they show it 12:35 <+bridge> LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -fuse-ld=mold -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed" 12:35 <+bridge> i guess ill use mold 12:36 <+bridge> @learath2 what is the -O1 in ldflags? 12:36 <+bridge> is o2 better? 12:40 <+bridge> anyway fixed 13:30 <+bridge> clang: symbol lookup error: clang: undefined symbol: _ZN4llvm24DisableABIBreakingChecksE, version LLVM_16 13:30 <+bridge> my clang broke 13:34 <+bridge> oh nvm 13:44 <+bridge> https://github.com/madsim-rs/madsim 13:45 <+bridge> There is a reason even gentoo users who love messing with things don't usually replace the linker and compiler 😄 13:46 <+bridge> the clang thing was cuz another unrelated reason t ogentoo 13:46 <+bridge> its cuz i had set manually ld library path for smth in a rust project that uses llvm 13:47 <+bridge> might not be a bug, just a difference in interface 13:48 <+bridge> i guess 15:39 <+bridge> @learath2 i have a coworker who met stallman and got his laptop signed 15:39 <+bridge> :TOOBASED: 15:54 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> whos stallman 15:56 <+bridge> @_voxeldoesart kinda like a god 15:56 <+bridge> autistic god 15:56 <+bridge> he made GNU 15:56 <+bridge> the c/c++ compiler: gcc 15:56 <+bridge> emacs 15:57 <+bridge> GPL 15:57 <+bridge> the free software foundation 15:57 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> woah 15:57 <+bridge> https://www.fsf.org/ 15:57 <+bridge> https://www.gnu.org/home.en.html 15:57 <+bridge> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman 15:57 <+bridge> http://stallman.org/ 16:02 <+bridge> And not to forget, pedo 16:03 <+bridge> [citation needed] 16:04 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> proof or its fake 16:04 <+bridge> I already posted it here. Ryo knows that 16:04 <+bridge> He protects him anyway 16:06 <+bridge> Here it's even in Wikipedia 16:06 <+bridge> Section criticism 16:07 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> oh ew i read the controversies page on the wiki 16:07 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> i hate this guy 16:07 <+bridge> that was quick 16:08 <+bridge> I did not find any statement that implies he's a pedophile 16:08 <+bridge> Then u are a fan buy 16:08 <+bridge> Boy 16:08 <+bridge> no 16:08 <+bridge> I'm pretty sure u are not blind 16:09 <+bridge> So it must be the first 16:09 <+bridge> please cite a sentence if you think that it's obvious 16:09 <+bridge> I see a controversy about him talking about pedophilia 16:09 <+bridge> not about him being a pedophile 16:10 <+bridge> Yeah. He basically said it's ok to be pedo 16:10 <+bridge> And that is what a pedo days 16:10 <+bridge> Says 16:10 <+bridge> saying "it's ok to kill people" is different from actually killing people 16:11 <+bridge> if you want to dilute definitions like that, sure 16:11 <+bridge> ? 16:11 <+bridge> Pedo is nothing active 16:11 <+bridge> He doesn't need to fuck kids to be a pedo 16:11 <+bridge> he is not pedo 16:11 <+bridge> he never did anything to kids 16:12 <+bridge> u may think he is weird sure 16:12 <+bridge> he did not commit any crime 16:12 <+bridge> I think you need to be very clear on that. I'd guess a non-vanishing amount of people would connect "pedo" to be someone actively abusing children 16:12 <+bridge> You think way too good about people 16:13 <+bridge> you go for the "possible" bad things in people to make their arguments less 16:13 <+bridge> There are no good people 16:13 <+bridge> by this, you are a pedo too 16:13 <+bridge> just cuz i think ur weird 16:14 <+bridge> and u like ur nephew right? 16:14 <+bridge> isnt this view rly diluted 16:14 <+bridge> but its ur view 16:15 <+bridge> critical thinking 16:16 <+bridge> https://stallmansupport.org/ 16:16 <+bridge> My niece is awesome, but i don't feel in any way sexually attracted to her, nor would I want anyone to have this kind of attitude. This is simply a red flag for me. Even if medicine would say it's not their fault 16:16 <+bridge> it doesnt matter how u feel 16:16 <+bridge> ur a pedo 16:16 <+bridge> The damage done to kids is simply too big 16:17 <+bridge> he also never said he feels "sexually attracted to kids" that i remember 16:18 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> bro im not gonna support with shit takes like his 16:18 <+bridge> It matters how i think about this topic. I can not relate to other people having sexual thoughts about kids. And because I don't like the damage done, i don't support it or support others supporting it 16:18 <+bridge> All of these are red flags 16:18 <+bridge> which takes 16:19 <+bridge> i meant that more as in accusing someone of being a pedo, it doesnt matter according to ur arguments 16:19 <+bridge> u didnt do any crime, but by ur logic, that doesnt matter 16:19 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> the takes on?? how he defended a sex offender?? 16:19 <+bridge> where? 16:19 <+bridge> If i tell my kids killing others every day. Then it's my fault if they go on assaults 16:20 <+bridge> Killing others is good* 16:20 <+bridge> https://stallmansupport.org/debunking-false-accusations-against-richard-stallman.html#defended-epstein 16:20 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1123618916552413316/image.png 16:20 <+bridge> Bro u quote a fan page 16:20 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1123618953403564102/image.png 16:20 <+bridge> no, i quote the reality 16:20 <+bridge> ur just being misguided by cancel bros 16:21 <+bridge> This is like saying CO2 is good for climate change and quoting some bullshit websites 16:21 <+bridge> tbf you're not quoting anything 16:21 <+bridge> I said where u can read it 16:21 <+bridge> if u mean the images, its cuz i dont want to lose the format 16:21 <+bridge> "do you research" 16:21 <+bridge> "believe me!" 16:21 <+bridge> (I meant @jupeyy_keks 16:21 <+bridge> ) 16:22 <+bridge> Ok Heinrich i know u are the last person to ever accept u are wrong and not a good person. But when I say at this link, in this section. Then it's basically like a quote 16:24 <+bridge> what link? 16:24 <+bridge> I think he refers to the controversy section of the wikipedia article on stallman 16:24 <+bridge> the link i sent literally debunks the "controversies" on the section of the wiki 16:25 <+bridge> What is there to debunk? 16:25 <+bridge> It's a quote 16:25 <+bridge> > In September 2006, Stallman wrote, “I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily [sic] pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.” In 2019, after conversations with victims, he changed his opinion that it does cause harm. [117][118][119] 16:25 <+bridge> it seems at one point, he said "I don't think voluntary pedophilia causes harm". later, after a controversy, he reversed that opinion 16:26 <+bridge> And the section after 16:26 <+bridge> god 16:26 <+bridge> please tell me what I should read 16:26 <+bridge> Quoting on phone sucks 16:26 <+bridge> > In September 2018, Stallman again attracted controversy when he wrote on his website, “However, it is normal for adults to be physically attracted to adolescents,” in a defense of convicted sex offender Cody Wilson. [120] 16:26 <+bridge> this? 16:26 <+bridge> Yes 16:26 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> yeah that 16:27 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> ryoz apperantly cant read so idk why he asked me where 16:29 <+bridge> idk whether it's normal to be attracted to the same sex or to children, but we can look up data on that I guess. it also doesn't say anything about the morality of it AFAICT 16:29 <+bridge> ah, according to wikipedia, pedophilia stops at age 13? so the quote doesn't even relate to the strict sense of the word? 16:30 <+bridge> Well as i explained. To me it's a red flag 16:31 <+bridge> 👀 wtf is going on here 16:31 <+bridge> Fanboys vs realism basically 16:32 <+bridge> Deleting the truth again nice 16:32 <+bridge> I really love IRC and logs 16:32 <+bridge> moderation discussion always goes to DM 16:32 <+bridge> To dm where u can't accept ur mistake 😂😂😂😂 16:32 <+bridge> https://www.stallman.org/archives/2018-jul-oct.html#23_September_2018_(Cody_Wilson) 16:33 <+bridge> its good read it all, stallman rly likes being pedantic 16:33 <+bridge> ❤️❤️❤️ 16:33 <+bridge> > The article refers to the sex worker as a "child", but that is not so. Elsewhere it has been published that she is 16 years old. That is late adolescence, not childhood. 16:33 <+bridge> 16:33 <+bridge> > In this case, the effect of that mislabeling is to smear Wilson. It is rare, and considered perverse, for adults to be physically attracted to children. However, it is normal for adults to be physically attracted to adolescents. Since the claim sbout Wilson is the latter, it is wrong to present it as the former. 16:34 <+bridge> [citation needed] 16:34 <+bridge> . 16:34 <+bridge> > However, it is normal for adults to be physically attracted to adolescents. 16:34 <+bridge> wikipedia suggests that there are no studies on this 16:34 <+bridge> look on pornhub, the amount of vids with "teen" in the title 16:34 <+bridge> xd 16:34 <+bridge> > The prevalence of hebephilia within the general population is unknown. There is evidence suggesting that within clinical and correctional samples,[29][30] as well as anonymous surveys of people sexually interested in children, there are more individuals with an erotic interest in pubescent rather than in prepubescent children.[31][32] 16:35 <+bridge> @ryozuki voluntary pedophilia is already a red flag 16:35 <+bridge> How should a kid be able to decide this? 16:35 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> i almost laughed when it said she was 16 16:35 <+bridge> Were u so self aware with 12? 16:35 <+bridge> he changed his stance on that after someone talked him about this 16:36 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> also?? no it isnt normal for adults to be attracted to adolescents?? go for someone your own age you creep 16:36 <+bridge> society seems to like em tho, look at porn sites 16:36 <+bridge> what do you mean by "normal"? 16:36 <+bridge> should be accepted by society? is accepted by society? happens? 16:36 <+bridge> should be accepted by society? is accepted by society? happens a lot? 16:37 <+bridge> saying normal also doesnt mean he says its correct tho 16:37 <+bridge> In Germany there currently is lot of discussion about the church and priests abusing children and they often talk about it in their adult age firstly 16:38 <+bridge> If we want to talk about, what is moral. Then we can change topic 16:38 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> it isnt morally right 16:38 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> like its insinuating a big age gap 16:38 <+bridge> There is no good and evil 16:38 <+bridge> so "normal" = "should be accepted by society"? 16:38 <+bridge> in your sentence 16:38 <+bridge> or "not normal" = "should not be accepted by society"? 16:39 <+bridge> or the same said differently: "not normal" = "should not be accepted by society"? 16:39 <+bridge> Even that is hard. Slavery was once normal 16:39 <+bridge> but u dont see the irony here? 16:39 <+bridge> The slaves still suffered 16:40 <+bridge> he never said otherwise 16:40 <+bridge> for the adolescents 16:40 <+bridge> saying something is normal as in it frequently happens doesnt mean u agree with it 16:41 <+bridge> Anyway. This discussion is too creepy. A person of public has the risk to lose his image. Be it by accident, by stupidy or what ever 16:41 <+bridge> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6775#issuecomment-1611573212 16:41 <+bridge> a person of public? 16:42 <+bridge> A person in pubic 16:42 <+bridge> I dunno 16:42 <+bridge> any idea how one could statelessly figure out the target of a grenade/hook teleporter? 16:42 <+bridge> Use tick as seed 16:42 <+bridge> this opens the cheat problem 16:42 <+bridge> That is a flag for the linker, not for the compiler, as indicated by the `-Wl,` prefix 16:42 <+bridge> where a cheat could help you hit the teleporter at the right time 16:43 <+bridge> re: i guess discussing "taboos" being seen as bad is why they still are taboos, a self feeding cycle 16:43 <+bridge> it'd be nicer if it was timing-independent 16:43 <+bridge> ye, i wanted to know what it does and if there is o2 16:43 <+bridge> i cant find any docs 16:43 <+bridge> I think the game should be fully predictable 16:43 <+bridge> I agree 16:43 <+bridge> but it'd be nice if it was predictable for humans, too 16:43 <+bridge> so you don't have to time it for the correct tick 16:43 <+bridge> @jupeyy_keks it should be machine predictable imho, but not in a way a player can predict something in a obvious way 16:44 <+bridge> just to support prediction 16:44 <+bridge> I don't like that. this encourages cheats 16:44 <+bridge> Well then i don't have a strong opinion 16:44 <+bridge> then whats the point of the random teleports 16:44 <+bridge> just force 1 out tele 16:44 <+bridge> Any of them are better than what we have now 16:44 <+bridge> Mostly optimize the symbol table, I haven't seen -O2 for any linker 16:44 <+bridge> I think so people don't clutter so much 16:45 <+bridge> also, we have tons of legacy maps 😉 16:45 <+bridge> Oh, lld has -O2 as well for string tail merging 16:45 <+bridge> and compresses debug sections 16:45 <+bridge> nice 16:45 <+bridge> and mold? xd 16:45 <+bridge> mold doesn't have it documented in their manpage 😄 16:46 <+bridge> true xd 16:47 <+bridge> According to the source code it's a no-op in mold: https://github.com/rui314/mold/blob/d4d93d7fb72dd19c44aafa4dd5397e35787d33ad/elf/cmdline.cc#L1050C7-L1053 16:47 <+bridge> So don't read weird guides but read the source code 😄 16:47 <+bridge> xD 16:48 <+bridge> 😄 16:48 <+bridge> https://blog.codinghorror.com/learn-to-read-the-source-luke/ 16:48 <+bridge> I remember this back from my Gentoo times, random websites were posting weird compiler flags that make your system faster (supposedly) 16:48 <+bridge> without any benchmarks of course 16:49 <+bridge> 😬 16:50 <+bridge> I probably recompiled world once or twice before I learned my lesson 😄 16:51 <+bridge> xD 16:51 <+bridge> today i had to compile llvm 2 times 16:52 <+bridge> cuz llvm 16 released 16:52 <+bridge> but there was also a llvm 15 update 16:52 <+bridge> and some packages still use 15 16:52 <+bridge> ``` 16:52 <+bridge> ❯ sudo genlop -t llvm 16:52 <+bridge> * sys-devel/llvm 16:52 <+bridge> 16:52 <+bridge> Wed Oct 12 11:40:22 2022 >>> sys-devel/llvm-14.0.6-r2 16:52 <+bridge> merge time: 29 minutes and 24 seconds. 16:52 <+bridge> 16:52 <+bridge> Mon Nov 7 09:16:22 2022 >>> sys-devel/llvm-15.0.3 16:52 <+bridge> merge time: 30 minutes and 11 seconds. 16:52 <+bridge> 16:52 <+bridge> Mon Dec 5 12:55:12 2022 >>> sys-devel/llvm-15.0.5 16:52 <+bridge> merge time: 23 minutes and 43 seconds. 16:52 <+bridge> 16:52 <+bridge> Mon Dec 19 09:49:24 2022 >>> sys-devel/llvm-15.0.6 16:52 <+bridge> merge time: 23 minutes and 14 seconds. 16:52 <+bridge> 16:52 <+bridge> Mon Jan 9 09:18:39 2023 >>> sys-devel/llvm-15.0.6-r1 16:52 <+bridge> merge time: 23 minutes and 6 seconds. 16:53 <+bridge> 16:53 <+bridge> Thu Jan 26 09:50:32 2023 >>> sys-devel/llvm-15.0.7 16:53 <+bridge> merge time: 23 minutes and 11 seconds. 16:53 <+bridge> 16:53 <+bridge> Fri Feb 17 14:26:51 2023 >>> sys-devel/llvm-15.0.7 16:53 <+bridge> merge time: 25 minutes and 37 seconds. 16:53 <+bridge> 16:53 <+bridge> Tue Jun 27 12:29:14 2023 >>> sys-devel/llvm-16.0.5 16:53 <+bridge> merge time: 29 minutes and 49 seconds. 16:53 <+bridge> 16:53 <+bridge> Wed Jun 28 11:49:01 2023 >>> sys-devel/llvm-15.0.7-r3 16:53 <+bridge> merge time: 26 minutes and 3 seconds. 16:53 <+bridge> ``` 16:53 <+bridge> 16:53 <+bridge> computers are so fast nowadays. My initial Gentoo setup was on an Athlon XP, that would have taken a day probably if I didn't have to start swapping, then a few days 16:53 <+bridge> haha 16:53 <+bridge> also i have only 1 job at 16 cores 16:54 <+bridge> i find its faster for me 16:54 <+bridge> so it was dedicated at compiling llvm 16:54 <+bridge> and the files are on a tmpfs on ram 16:55 <+bridge> (1 emerge job, make at 16 threads) 16:56 <+bridge> most bloated are llvm, firefox, nodejs 16:56 <+bridge> in decreasing time 16:56 <+bridge> 30, 15, 10 16:56 <+bridge> i guess nodejs builds v8 or smth 16:56 <+bridge> python is fast af 16:56 <+bridge> 50 secs 16:57 <+bridge> rust software is slow? 16:57 <+bridge> i dont have rust compiled, i use the binary, which is probs faster because they use LTO + the BOLT 16:57 <+bridge> and i use rustup anyway 16:58 <+bridge> go also takes 1 min 16:58 <+bridge> rust would probs be slow af 16:58 <+bridge> Yes, do you have any tips to make huge Rust projects compile faster? 😄 16:58 <+bridge> xdd 16:58 <+bridge> yes 16:58 <+bridge> u can make a dev profile that compiles libraries dynamically 16:59 <+bridge> bevy suggests this for quick iterations when making games 16:59 <+bridge> https://bevyengine.org/learn/book/getting-started/setup/#enable-fast-compiles-optional 16:59 <+bridge> read 16:59 <+bridge> it seems to me that speed is a fundamental problem, and would need to be designed in from the get-go 16:59 <+bridge> I don't think you'll get large performance increases on existing software 17:00 <+bridge> i rly wonder where the bottleneck in rust is, apparently its not the borrow checker 17:00 <+bridge> i think its rust spitting out a lot of unneeded llvm IR instructions and llvm needing to do lot more work 17:00 <+bridge> unneeded but make writing the compiler frontend probs easier 17:01 <+bridge> that being said, there are a couple of hints out there, I think. e.g. https://endler.dev/2020/rust-compile-times/ 17:01 <+bridge> hmm 17:01 <+bridge> I think this wasn't the blog post I meant 17:01 <+bridge> but rust is faster than rly big c++ projects i think 17:01 <+bridge> or so i heard 17:01 <+bridge> (comparing big projects) 17:02 <+bridge> unfortunately, it's still slow 17:02 <+bridge> C++ isn't exactly known for its fast compilation 17:02 <+bridge> yeah 17:02 <+bridge> do you mean locally (incremental) or in CI (full builds)? 17:03 <+bridge> @deen if u make heavy use of proc macros, i recommend setting the proc macro crate to build with optimizations 17:03 <+bridge> sqlx recommends this 17:03 <+bridge> i read this somewhere too in a proc macro to serialize json at build time 17:03 <+bridge> [profile.dev.package.sqlx-macros] 17:03 <+bridge> opt-level = 3 17:03 <+bridge> > Compile-time verified queries do quite a bit of work at compile time. Incremental actions like cargo check and cargo build can be significantly faster when using an optimized build by putting the following in your Cargo.toml (More information in the Profiles section of The Cargo Book) 17:03 <+bridge> 17:04 <+bridge> full 17:05 <+bridge> cache your dependency compilation, like https://github.com/Swatinem/rust-cache/ 17:05 <+bridge> it shaved off a couple of minutes in a big project I contribute to 17:05 <+bridge> but first, reduce the unnecessary dependencies, I guess :p 17:06 <+bridge> e.g. I found that the project depended on both async-std and tokio 17:06 <+bridge> That looks promising, I played around with https://github.com/mozilla/sccache already, but wasn't that helpful 17:06 <+bridge> ``` 17:06 <+bridge> jobs: 17:06 <+bridge> check: 17:06 <+bridge> name: clippy 17:06 <+bridge> runs-on: ubuntu-latest 17:06 <+bridge> env: 17:06 <+bridge> CARGO_REGISTRIES_CRATES_IO_PROTOCOL: sparse 17:06 <+bridge> steps: 17:06 <+bridge> - uses: actions/checkout@v3 17:06 <+bridge> - uses: dtolnay/rust-toolchain@nightly 17:06 <+bridge> with: 17:06 <+bridge> components: clippy 17:06 <+bridge> - uses: Swatinem/rust-cache@v2 17:06 <+bridge> - name: Clippy 17:06 <+bridge> run: cargo clippy 17:07 <+bridge> ``` 17:07 <+bridge> xd 17:07 <+bridge>