01:11 <+bridge> can we add a build option to disable rust 01:11 <+bridge> atm it doesn't do anything and it would help build times 01:12 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> https://www.tabnine.com/ 01:12 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> @ryozuki 01:12 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> this screams you 01:12 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> escept maybe it not being vim 01:12 <+bridge> what is escept 01:12 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> except* 03:47 <+bridge> @robyt3 linking `NtosKrnl.lib` may fix the windows undefined reference issues 03:47 <+bridge> @robyt3 explicitly linking `NtosKrnl.lib` may fix the windows undefined reference issues 07:02 <+bridge> Yo amigos, anyone know a good way to get your dummies' coords even if its outside of render distance? Currently im trying this with the dummy's ID and it returns 0 once my main gets far away from it. 07:02 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1120216925755166830/image.png 07:02 <+bridge> Yo amigos, anyone know a good way to get your dummies' coords even if its outside of render distance? Currently im trying this with the dummy's ID and it returns {0,0} once my main gets far away from it. 07:02 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1120216925755166830/image.png 07:12 <+bridge> Just a guess, but maybe the chat command `/showall 1` might help? 07:12 <+bridge> 07:12 <+bridge> "Whether to show players at any distance (off by default)" 07:14 <+bridge> ooh 07:15 <+bridge> thanks, that did the trick! 07:46 <+bridge> another botter helped 07:48 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> yeah hold on 07:48 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> what are you trying to do? :o 08:04 <+bridge> To detect if the dummy is where i left it 08:21 <+bridge> Spotted the cynic 08:23 <+bridge> :greenthing: 08:23 <+bridge> This is NOT greenthing 08:30 <+bridge> If something like this gets released to the public that might cause some trouble https://youtu.be/AJF7iMXodbE 08:30 <+bridge> That fully convinced me it’s not a human 08:34 <+bridge> 99% of the randoma ask for help for bots, indirectly 08:34 <+bridge> and i still believe u are here for that 08:34 <+bridge> I will ask directly next time I suppose 08:34 <+bridge> So you are botting 08:34 <+bridge> yes pls, so we know not to help 08:35 <+bridge> :bluekitty: 08:35 <+bridge> 🦔 08:39 <+ChillerDragon> need bot? 08:39 <+ChillerDragon> chillerbot.github.io 11:13 <+bridge> @ryozuki I Just had a look at chillberbot-ux, found this camp feature. This is pretty much what im doing rn. You consider this botting? 11:13 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1120280082339070024/Screenshot_20230619-111139-634.png 11:22 <+bridge> yeye dont talk to me 11:22 <+bridge> i aint talkin to botters 11:24 <+bridge> 😴 11:39 <+bridge> ChillerDragon: ryo refuses to talk to you further :troll: 11:40 <+bridge> :poggers2: 11:46 <+bridge> Chiller always the exception 11:53 <+bridge> ChillerDragon that camp feature is against the rules btw 11:55 <+bridge> whose rules 11:55 <+bridge> I’ve only ever seen chillerbots on block servers 11:56 <+bridge> We do not allow any client feature that does inputs for you, unless it's also in the official client 11:57 <+bridge> I was going to say that to him, but he instructed me to not talk to him 11:57 <+bridge> I was going to say that to ryo, but he instructed me to not talk to him 11:57 <+bridge> What do you mean by 'do not allow'? What is the penalty? 11:58 <+bridge> ‘Your’ rules are irrelevant if he’s not playing on your servers. Lol 11:59 <+bridge> You are so cool when you are being pedantic. Ofc we can't do anything about servers other than ours. 12:00 <+bridge> The penalty for using it on a ddnet server is a ban like all other bots 12:00 <+bridge> Sorry. I didn’t mean to be a pain in the ass 12:00 <+bridge> I just figured he knew it was against ddnet rules and is redundant to point out 12:00 <+bridge> I just figured he knew it was against ddnet rules when he made it and so it’s redundant to point out 12:00 <+bridge> Who, me or chiller? 12:01 <+bridge> Chiller 12:01 <+bridge> I think you’re breaking the rules lol 12:01 <+bridge> I guess so, but i dont really play ddnet 12:03 <+bridge> Just giving you a heads up is all. Not like we can stop you from coding whatever you like. 12:04 <+bridge> Yeah np, for what its worth i have no interest in making something to cheat in ddnet servers 12:04 <+bridge> Since 3 days we talk about bots 🥱 12:05 <+bridge> An anti afk bot might not hurt the racing competition but it still does smth a human can't do 12:05 <+bridge> So other ppl see it and want it too 12:06 <+bridge> Yeah I'm not a huge fan of people making these bots and even less a fan of them being available for the public 12:07 <+bridge> For any automated input the anti bot has to assume u are a cheater anyway 12:07 <+bridge> The anti bot? 12:07 <+bridge> Is there even anything like that on the ddnet servers? I have never seen anyone get auto banned for botting 12:09 < ws-client> The big ban 12:09 < ws-client> mhh interesting 12:09 < ws-client> seems like my mobile discord ain't working anymor 12:09 <+bridge> The big ban 12:09 <+bridge> The big ban 12:09 <+bridge> Huh? 12:10 <+bridge> The anti bot exists yes 12:10 <+bridge> I dunno how good it is, BCS i never challenged it xd 12:11 <+bridge> Gotcha 12:14 <+bridge> bruh another bot client is coming 12:16 <+bridge> Antibot for kog and fng is more obvious 12:16 <+bridge> Because they’re easier to write bots for 12:18 <+bridge> :greenthing: 12:18 <+bridge> write another implementation of antibot pls 12:19 <+bridge> Yeah i figured. I see people get flagged on fng and fokkonauts server all the time. I wonder how much of that is because people use bots more there and how much because the antibot is more sensitive 12:20 <+bridge> Are bullet lines against the rules? That isnt technically automated input 12:21 < ws-client> but automated vision 12:21 <+bridge> What is bullet lines? Like hooklines but trajectories for projectiles? 12:23 <+bridge> The rule is no automated input. The rest are a bit of a grey area, I'm of the opinion that it's fine mostly because impossible to detect anyway 12:25 <+bridge> I'd say they are a cheat anyway. If in CSGO the cursor would tell you where to aim for a better spray or how far off your aim is to hit the head of an opponent, it's an unfair advantage 12:26 <+bridge> No killing in ddnet so it's a little better, but I do get your point 12:38 <+bridge> CS2 Follow recoil 12:42 < ws-client> uff, didnt know CS2 added such a feature 12:42 < ws-client> but if the game adds it as defaults its ofc no cheat... if this is a good addition is ofc a different question 13:27 <+bridge> no, bullet lines are also against the rules 13:28 <+bridge> they give you a gameplay advantage over the original client 13:29 <+bridge> Where do we even have this written down? I'm sure I would have objected to the addition of this clearly unenforceable rule if we ever discussed it 13:30 <+bridge> we probably haven't written it down anywhere 13:31 <+bridge> in that sense, a proper aimbot would also be undetectable 13:31 <+bridge> so I don't think this is a good line 13:32 <+bridge> An aimbot has a chance to be detected. A rendered line on the screen has no chance to be detected unless you want to go closed source and add clientside anticheat 13:32 <+bridge> no, not if you do it properly 13:32 <+bridge> also, this has nothign to do with being closed source 13:32 <+bridge> also, this has nothign to do with being open source 13:33 <+bridge> Afaik any reasonable aimbot can be deduced by looking at recorded footage of the player in question. For the bullet lines, if someone is perfectly hitting bounces first try, that too can become suspicious 13:33 <+bridge> Or atleast only allow binary releases. Whatever, point is we can't detect it while allowing any client we haven't directly built 13:35 <+bridge> i compile my own from git with my ebuild 13:35 <+bridge> If it doesn't do inputs for you it's not a cheat in the context of ddnet, atleast if it were my servers that's how I would do it. 13:35 <+bridge> I think that's not consensus 13:36 <+bridge> Which is why I said it's how I would run my own servers, and why I said it's a bit of a gray area when asked in the official context 13:36 <+bridge> I see 13:36 <+bridge> we can have that discussion, if you want to 13:36 <+bridge> It's a grey area because it's not written down and at the very least you and I seem to disagree 13:37 <+bridge> Who is the final authority/ owner in ddnet anyway? 13:37 <+bridge> heinrich 13:37 <+bridge> even if he denies it 13:37 <+bridge> Very technically deen, but he doesn't play that card ever 13:37 <+bridge> Ooh @heinrich5991 nice to meet you 13:38 <+bridge> So in practice anyone with a light green name + heinrich gets a say in every decision 13:39 <+bridge> which is really sad 13:39 <+bridge> Ah ok makes sense 13:39 <+bridge> Whys that sad? How would you want it? 13:39 <+bridge> i like openness 13:39 <+bridge> open discussion 13:39 <+bridge> open decisions 13:39 <+bridge> heinrich is good 13:39 <+bridge> but im still waiting for options :feelsbadman: 13:39 <+bridge> @gerdoe no, heinrich hardly moves out of what he thinks is good 13:40 <+bridge> Very rarely there is anything to be decided in secret anyway. I guess the picking of new mods is about all that happens in private 13:40 <+bridge> I'd say anything that makes gameplay easier than "DDNet client without extra tools" is considered a cheat 13:40 <+bridge> whatever but his decisions are good mostly 13:40 <+bridge> Oh, heinrich said so before too 13:41 <+bridge> thats ur opinion 13:41 <+bridge> i know many people disliked the single handledly enforcement of the new hammer 13:41 <+bridge> which is a BEFORE and AFTER era for ddnet 13:41 <+bridge> it rly changed ddnet drastically 13:41 <+bridge> That wasn't his decision alone 13:42 <+bridge> anyway, i have no say in this or many things 13:42 <+bridge> Not like he went rogue and pushed to master 13:42 <+bridge> yeah, he has rly good conversational skills, in that it makes others look stupid, and obviously he didnt push to master, but used his influence heavily 13:43 <+bridge> anyway we cant change the past 13:43 <+bridge> but thats how ddnet is now 13:43 <+bridge> What kind of criticism is that 13:43 <+bridge> for me, heinrich is like the BFDL of ddnet 13:43 <+bridge> bdfl* 13:43 <+bridge> u wont understand cuz ur new 13:43 <+bridge> he speaks like a politician 13:44 <+bridge> thats what i mean 13:44 <+bridge> I don't think BDFLs usually get overruled 😄 13:44 <+bridge> yeah he is still here xD 13:45 <+bridge> @ryozuki wait, aren't you in unique? 13:45 <+bridge> Learned a new term, thanks 13:45 <+bridge> i am, but i dont rly partake much in the activities xD 13:45 <+bridge> why 13:46 <+bridge> Seems weird that heinrich argues in your favor and you against him 13:46 <+bridge> How is the ability to convince other people a bad thing? Not like we agreed to it without thinking about it because he is well spoken 😄 13:46 <+bridge> were did he argue in my favour? 13:46 <+bridge> In our private #admin chat about race maps 13:47 <+bridge> its not a bad thing per se, just frustrating on my part xd 13:47 <+bridge> i just know timakro told me is hosting some servers in taiwan or smth 13:47 <+bridge> but just because he says well stuff doesnt mean i would say he is the best right 13:47 <+bridge> just like im hosting the wiki i dont expect anything 13:48 <+bridge> anyway im not even badmouthing 13:48 <+bridge> its my opinion on him, he does lot of controversial decisions thats it 13:48 < ws-client> @ryozuki just code smth everyone wants, but only you can maintain. then u are the hostage taker <:lol:460429405328506900> 13:48 <+bridge> There is some sense to this, but what would projectile lines even help with? I imagine it would be mostly used for planning rocket shots which you can just do by spamming a couple 13:49 <+bridge> @Jupeyy_Keks xd like what? everything is done 13:49 <+bridge> and i lack time 13:49 <+bridge> Yeah, Jupstar is the BDFL of the gfx code. Become like him if you want influence 13:49 <+bridge> That and quickly seeing if someone is reachable by rifle/sg 13:50 <+bridge> just wanted to say that dev chat can be a echo chamber for decisions, nothing wrong with asking others about opinions, like i did with the friend list that robyt made and posted on #general 13:50 <+bridge> Erlang masters. None of us could maintain anything about it 13:51 <+bridge> @learath2 or be like robyt and do everything, he has the right to be bdfl 13:51 <+bridge> that would be dope, but i would use https://gleam.run/ 13:51 <+bridge> But the things he does is generic, you need to become an irreplaceable cog if you want true bdfl powers 13:51 <+bridge> which runs on the erlang BEAM 13:53 <+bridge> btw its june 13:53 <+bridge> c++20 13:54 < ws-client> letse go 13:54 < ws-client> https://ubuntu.com//blog/18-04-end-of-standard-support 13:54 < ws-client> since 31 may already 13:54 < ws-client> xd 13:55 <+bridge> there is something else we can update besides c++20 right 13:55 <+bridge> i forgot 13:55 <+bridge> im sure there are new shiny things 13:55 <+bridge> Sorry, but that sounds super wrong to me. BDFL is more of a descriptive term for a specific leadership role within an open-source project, rather than a defined right. 13:56 < ws-client> @ryozuki rust? 13:56 < ws-client> or do we drop opengl 1.x 😂 13:56 <+bridge> i know, i was kinda joking 13:56 <+bridge> :justatest: 13:56 <+bridge> uh ok 👀 13:56 <+bridge> rust deps 13:56 <+bridge> true 13:57 <+bridge> we can update rust to newer version 13:57 < ws-client> why even do this with rust at all? 13:57 <+bridge> in steam it says we only support opengl 2.1+ 13:57 < ws-client> just enforce rustup 13:57 <+bridge> cuz heinrich 13:57 <+bridge> he wants to support old debian rust 13:57 < ws-client> thats really weird 13:57 <+bridge> :PES2_Shrug: 13:57 < ws-client> isnt it nice that rust doesnt do it so shitty over system package manager 13:57 <+bridge> i never use the rust from system package manager 13:58 <+bridge> rustup is so powerful 13:58 <+bridge> I like using it from the arch repos 13:58 < ws-client> yeah 13:58 <+bridge> it gives me automated updates 13:58 <+bridge> put rustup update in .bashrc 13:58 <+bridge> but yeah 13:58 <+bridge> heinrich wants it 13:58 <+bridge> no need to argue 13:58 < ws-client> or convince rustup to make a plugin for the system package managers 13:59 <+bridge> you can install rustup via arch's package manager as well 13:59 <+bridge> > or convince rustup to make a plugin for the system package managers 13:59 <+bridge> that sounds stupid ^^ it does away with the entire reason of system package managers 13:59 <+bridge> i forgot at which version of rust we are 13:59 <+bridge> i.e. you could just use rustup itself instead 13:59 <+bridge> in ddnet 13:59 < ws-client> yeah but apparently u like package manager auto update more 14:00 <+bridge> i also dislike heinrich rust style 14:00 < ws-client> so if the package manager simply triggers rustuo 14:00 < ws-client> rustup 14:00 < ws-client> xDD 14:00 <+bridge> ah 14:00 <+bridge> I see 14:00 < ws-client> @ryozuki the includes? 14:00 <+bridge> yeah 14:00 < ws-client> i wonder if vscode would simply refactor them when i click save xD 14:00 <+bridge> and idk libtw i hate it, but probs cuz its rly old code 14:00 <+bridge> yes, rustfmt nightly can do it 14:01 <+bridge> can you maybe be less negative about stuff I create, @ryozuki? 14:01 < ws-client> i actually dont care, aslong as i dont need to do it manually :D 14:01 <+bridge> I don't go around saying other people's creatiosn are crap 14:01 <+bridge> u said that urself now 14:02 <+bridge> i just said i hate the style its written with 14:02 <+bridge> dont put words in my mouth 14:02 <+bridge> > and idk libtw i hate it, but probs cuz its rly old code 14:02 <+bridge> hate is not saying its crap 14:02 <+bridge> but i was talking in the context of code style 14:02 <+bridge> I also don't go around saying I hate other people's creations 14:02 <+bridge> I see, still not nice 14:03 <+bridge> :bluestripe: 14:03 <+bridge> but better 14:03 <+bridge> im out 14:03 <+bridge> thanks 14:03 <+bridge> this was not nice 14:03 <+bridge> :justatest: 14:03 <+bridge> good morning developers of ddnet 14:03 <+bridge> good morning 🙂 14:03 < ws-client> whom do i insult if i say ddnet is crap? xd 14:04 <+bridge> probably a collective, so less bad 14:04 <+bridge> especially since you're in it 14:04 <+bridge> Every person that likes ddnet feels, obviously 14:04 <+bridge> Every person that likes ddnet, obviously 14:05 <+bridge> i just need to make a mental note 14:05 <+bridge> dont comment on anything relating to heinrich 14:05 <+bridge> but well even joking is not something u can do 14:05 < ws-client> @learath2 pm me ssh key for discord bot server 14:06 <+bridge> That'd be ddnet.org :justatest: 14:06 <+bridge> Perfect 14:06 <+bridge> :greenthing: 14:06 <+bridge> Or give me skin database pw and invite my DC bot 14:06 <+bridge> I can also host it 14:07 <+bridge> What bot? 14:07 <+bridge> We need one more discord bot? 14:07 <+bridge> Skin uploading 14:07 <+bridge> I don't think we'll allow that ever to happen again. jao self-hosting the @DDNet was kind of a pain in the butt 14:07 <+bridge> YAYADDB 14:07 <+bridge> i was making ryochan 14:07 <+bridge> I don't think we'll allow that ever to happen again. jao self-hosting the @DDNet bot was kind of a pain in the butt 14:07 <+bridge> What happened 14:08 <+bridge> you can try run 2 runtimes a time 14:08 <+bridge> to replace @DDNet in rust 14:08 <+bridge> will this work tho 14:08 <+bridge> It's ok we can run another bot, just confused why you didn't just add onto one or the other 14:08 <+bridge> I wonder about that too xd 14:09 <+bridge> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/69796271/simultaneously-running-separate-programs-using-the-same-token 14:09 <+bridge> seems it works 14:09 <+bridge> Ez 14:09 <+bridge> pyson moment or smth 14:09 <+bridge> I guess I'll merge it into either @DDNet or @DDNet or @DDNet 14:09 <+bridge> One day 14:10 <+bridge> Ah we have 3 bots 14:10 <+bridge> you should name the other DDNet bot [D] DDNet 14:10 <+bridge> He was the only person who was able to do anything with the bot. If it ever broke, we'd have to wait for him to fix it 14:10 <+bridge> Nice 14:10 <+bridge> Ah I see xd 14:10 <+bridge> To DDosNet 14:10 <+bridge> DNNet 14:10 <+bridge> Twinbop 14:11 <+bridge> twinbopp 14:11 <+bridge> @learath2 did u know 14:11 <+bridge> string concat in erlang doesnt allocate another string iirc 14:11 <+bridge> since they are linked lists xd 14:12 < ws-client> wtf 14:12 <+bridge> but they slow 14:12 <+bridge> but well erlang is not made for that 14:13 <+bridge> also erlang has first class bit syntax 14:13 <+bridge> ```erlang 14:13 <+bridge> -define(IP_VERSION, 4). 14:13 <+bridge> -define(IP_MIN_HDR_LEN, 5). 14:13 <+bridge> 14:13 <+bridge> DgramSize = byte_size(Dgram), 14:14 <+bridge> case Dgram of 14:14 <+bridge> < ID:16, Flgs:3, FragOff:13, 14:14 <+bridge> TTL:8, Proto:8, HdrChkSum:16, 14:14 <+bridge> SrcIP:32, 14:14 <+bridge> DestIP:32, RestDgram/binary>> when HLen>=5, 4*HLen= 14:14 <+bridge> OptsLen = 4*(HLen - ?IP_MIN_HDR_LEN), 14:14 <+bridge> <> = RestDgram, 14:14 <+bridge> ... 14:14 <+bridge> end. 14:14 <+bridge> ``` 14:14 <+bridge> > Here, the segment corresponding to the Opts variable has a type modifier, specifying that Opts is to bind to a binary. All other variables have the default type equal to unsigned integer. 14:14 <+bridge> > 14:14 <+bridge> > An IP datagram header is of variable length. This length is measured in the number of 32-bit words and is given in the segment corresponding to HLen. The minimum value of HLen is 5. It is the segment corresponding to Opts that is variable, so if HLen is equal to 5, Opts becomes an empty binary. 14:14 <+bridge> interesting xd 14:15 < ws-client> wow my attention span for reading long qoutes goes against 0 14:16 <+bridge> xd 14:16 <+bridge> and yes erlang syntax sucks 14:16 <+bridge> Linked list of strings or linked list of characters? If strings, it's not exactly an awful idea 14:16 <+bridge> elixir improves a bit xd 14:17 <+bridge> strings iirc 14:17 <+bridge> Even better idea is tree of strings, truly revolutionary 14:17 <+bridge> hm 14:17 <+bridge> now that i think 14:18 <+bridge> i think strings are lists in erlang 14:18 <+bridge> xd 14:18 <+bridge> > A string in Erlang is implemented as a linked list of integers. This leads to a large memory 14:18 <+bridge> > overhead on modern hardware (64 bits) causing each character to take 16 bytes, especially 14:18 <+bridge> > compared to the natural representation where each character takes 1 byt 14:19 <+bridge> https://odr.chalmers.se/server/api/core/bitstreams/b0b0e82e-95a1-493c-a3ee-435e17e8a43e/content 14:23 <+bridge> Bizarre design choice. I wonder what compelled them to it 14:25 <+bridge> Is appending so common in telecommunication that the ability to do O(1) worth it? But why not ropes or atleast a linked list of char arrays? 14:25 <+bridge> @learath2 or @Jupeyy_Keks do u know how to make clangd treat .inc files as c++ 14:25 <+bridge> llvm tablegen generates c++ headers with .inc 14:29 < ws-client> mh i dunno, the vscode cmake generator associates files without ending e.g. from standard 14:30 < ws-client> but i guess only for vscode and not clangd 14:30 <+bridge> yeah 14:30 <+bridge> idk how to get clangd autocomp 14:30 <+bridge> i have a clangd file with includes 14:30 <+bridge> but it doesnt find the .inc file 14:30 <+bridge> xd 14:30 <+bridge> but its there 14:31 < ws-client> oh thats weird tho 14:31 < ws-client> an include is simply a text replace 14:31 < ws-client> it should even work on txt files 15:09 <+bridge> good one 15:31 <+bridge> Lol, so how'd you write this bot. This is honestly crazy 15:31 <+bridge> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hda2h7ph8-c 15:37 <+bridge> no bot dev discussion 15:37 <+bridge> :greenthing: 16:16 <+bridge> im not a bot 16:16 <+bridge> i wonder when ddnet anarchy server drops 16:20 <+bridge> <_voxeldoesart> bombay 16:46 <+bridge> do you have questions? happy to answer 🙂 17:06 <+bridge> Does anyone else experience some weird emote delays? 17:06 <+bridge> Do any of you use an IME on linux? Which one is good nowadays? 17:08 <+bridge> > this is just making image management messier than it already is 17:08 <+bridge> 17:08 <+bridge> @_voxeldoesart what do you think would be better than my changes? Not moving arrow, strong weak indicator and new shields into the extra.png? 17:08 <+bridge> Do you think multiple single images are better for image management? Adding all these images to our ingame modding / texture selector would maybe make it complex for normal users, do you think that would be nice / better? 17:08 <+bridge> 17:08 <+bridge> From modding point of view, I guess a problem is, that I merged particles, HUD elements, OPD elements and Game Tetures into one image, do you think that is bad? Could you explain more what you do not like, and make a suggestion that you would like more. 17:09 <+bridge> @Jupeyy_Keks Are you around? 17:13 <+bridge> In around 10min 17:14 <+bridge> Ah, the issue doesn't seem to be reproducible 17:15 <+bridge> @ravie_ravie Have you had time to test in the meantime? 17:15 <+bridge> You have changed the texture of the weapon armor and of the key presses indicator arrow (they are little smaller because of the extra margin). Were these changes made intentionally or did you simply not have access to the original images? The weapon armor do now no longer match the shields in entities. I guess, if you wanted this change and all agree on it, the entities should also be changed. 17:17 <+bridge> I do. it's probably not good or anything 17:17 <+bridge> I use ibus with anthy 17:18 <+bridge> > Note: Anthy has been effectively dead since 2009.[2] 17:18 <+bridge> I use fcitx5, its best if you also want to write Japanese 17:19 <+bridge> ah, interesting 17:19 <+bridge> but wait, that's only one part 17:19 <+bridge> that's the IMF apparently 17:19 <+bridge> what's your IME? 17:20 <+bridge> Moving things around makes old resources unusable, I guess that's one concern? 17:24 <+bridge> I was eyeing fcitx5 with mozc 17:24 <+bridge> currently none; I stopped learning Chinese. I guess you could use fcitx5-anthy for Japanese, But I used Mozc. 17:25 <+bridge> if we move stuff around, I'd like to consider(!) moving to zip files instead of sprites 17:25 <+bridge> this would make future changes easier at the cost of having no preview by default 17:27 <+bridge> zip files might be a good idea, @Jupeyy_Keks is that feasible? If the gfx backend can't build the atlas at runtime I guess we could just build it on the cpu before uploading 17:28 <+bridge> zip files have very nice properties for future-compatibility: you can very easily detect which sprites are present and which are not 17:29 <+bridge> No preview is a little annoying and sharing them is harder 17:29 <+bridge> What would be the benefit of having a zip with multiple images, instead of just the multiple single images? 17:29 <+bridge> No more moving around 17:29 <+bridge> ah 17:29 <+bridge> also forward compatibility 17:30 <+bridge> because you now see that this game.png doesn't contain a snowflake 17:30 <+bridge> Hm, I remember some artists saying they'd rather die than let users mismatch assets 17:30 <+bridge> because you now see that this game.zip doesn't contain a snowflake.png 17:30 <+bridge> Aha, a wild Ravie shows up 17:30 <+bridge> this isn't about mixing 17:30 <+bridge> So no sprites at all? Just every single icon each solo in a single image, that gets ziped together with all images? 17:31 <+bridge> that's the option I wanted us to consider, yes 17:31 <+bridge> I changed the shields and arrow to have everything in vector and also because the old shields are really ugly 17:31 <+bridge> Doesn't have to be all images, we can split it into multiple contextful zips I guess. So you can have a hud.zip e.g. 17:31 <+bridge> I can change the ones in entities as well 17:32 <+bridge> For me its fine, I have not tested yet how they look ingame... I will make a screenshot. If everyone is fine with it, I guess we can change them 17:32 <+bridge> Actually I think the easier sharing and the nice way to preview assets is more important to me than the compatibility, as long as we just extend the image from the bottom right corner it's future proof anyway 17:33 <+bridge> Just never move stuff around, there isn't much reason to move it around anyway 17:33 <+bridge> not currently, we're resizing the image to fit what we want 17:33 <+bridge> we should maybe look at the aspect ratio or something 17:33 <+bridge> Wait, really? That's horrible 17:34 <+bridge>