00:13 < bridge> yes, but only 7 seconds 00:13 < bridge> ddnet with postgres? 😄 00:13 < bridge> thats the vid in the pr 00:14 < bridge> 7s ye 00:14 < bridge> ok, my browser showed 14s and the error at some point 00:15 < bridge> ah idk, the youtube link he posted afterwars is 80secs long so thats a bit more useful 00:15 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1111054987791962175/image.png 00:15 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1111054988014256158/image.png 00:15 < bridge> what on earth? 00:16 < bridge> why not use new normally and do 00:16 < bridge> ``` 00:16 < bridge> CleanerFunctions.push([pKernel, pClient]() { 00:16 < bridge> pKernel->Shutdown(); 00:16 < bridge> delete pKernel; 00:16 < bridge> [&pClient]{ pClient->~CClient() }; 00:16 < bridge> free(pClient); 00:16 < bridge> }); 00:16 < bridge> ``` 00:16 < bridge> why not use new normally and do 00:16 < bridge> ```cpp 00:16 < bridge> CleanerFunctions.push([pKernel, pClient]() { 00:16 < bridge> pKernel->Shutdown(); 00:16 < bridge> delete pKernel; 00:16 < bridge> [&pClient]{ delete pClient; }; 00:16 < bridge> free(pClient); 00:17 < bridge> }); 00:17 < bridge> ``` 00:22 < bridge> okay discord is displaying my images in a stupid way so i guess i have to post code snippets instead. poor chillerdragon 00:22 < bridge> ```cpp 00:22 < bridge> static CClient *CreateClient() 00:22 < bridge> { 00:22 < bridge> CClient *pClient = static_cast(malloc(sizeof(*pClient))); 00:23 < bridge> mem_zero(pClient, sizeof(CClient)); 00:23 < bridge> return new(pClient) CClient; 00:23 < bridge> } 00:23 < bridge> 00:23 < bridge> ... 00:23 < bridge> // Init client 00:23 < bridge> CClient *pClient = CreateClient(); 00:23 < bridge> 00:23 < bridge> ... 00:23 < bridge> // Deinit (client included) 00:23 < bridge> CleanerFunctions.push([pKernel, pClient]() { 00:23 < bridge> pKernel->Shutdown(); 00:23 < bridge> delete pKernel; 00:23 < bridge> pClient->~CClient(); 00:23 < bridge> free(pClient); 00:23 < bridge> }); 00:23 < bridge> ``` 00:32 < bridge> why not use new normally and do 00:32 < bridge> ```cpp 00:32 < bridge> CleanerFunctions.push([pKernel, pClient]() { 00:32 < bridge> pKernel->Shutdown(); 00:32 < bridge> delete pKernel; 00:32 < bridge> delete pClient; 00:32 < bridge> free(pClient); 00:32 < bridge> }); 00:32 < bridge> ``` 00:52 < bridge> i had syntax highlighting on mobile for like 5 minutes. now it’s gone. where did it go o_O 07:05 < bridge> That looks indeed weird. Maybe it’s allocated with malloc and thus should be freed and the destructor is called manually to make sure it all works fine. Idk if free calls destructors 07:52 < bridge> yeah free doesnt call any destructor afair 08:18 < bridge> it is and that's why but my question is why malloc is being used in the first place 08:18 < bridge> free can't call dtor bcus free has no concept of classes or vtables or whatever afaik 08:19 < bridge> would using `new` regularly not just do the same thing and put it somewhere in the heap? what's malloc do differently that helps here 08:19 < bridge> im trying to understand why because pKernel is constructed & destructed in the exact same way right next to pClient so i can't see how it would be a lifetime thing 08:19 < bridge> which would be irrelevant anyway... 08:20 < bridge> im trying to understand why because pKernel is constructed & destructed in the correct way but in the exact same place as pClient so i can't see how it would be a lifetime thing 08:50 < bridge> afaik the only diff is that new calls the constructor 09:34 < bridge> ctor is also called with placement new 09:34 < bridge> what's placement new 09:34 < bridge> that new syntax 09:35 < bridge> ``` 09:35 < bridge> void *whatever = whatever(); 09:35 < bridge> new T(whatever) objName; 09:35 < bridge> ``` 09:36 < bridge> probably but malloc itself won't call the constructor ig 09:36 < bridge> That's ig the only diff 09:36 < bridge> ` return new(pClient) CClient;` 09:36 < bridge> with this method memory is allocated and the object is constructed in that memory block 09:37 < bridge> but the block isn't aligned or anything that could help with performance 09:37 < bridge> i have no idea why it's doing this 09:38 <+ChillerDragon> send help on how to google things xd 09:38 < bridge> wdym 09:38 < bridge> google can't tell my why whoever wrote this code chose to allocate completely unremarkable memory just to get the same result 09:39 <+ChillerDragon> i have a bunch of speakers that are super old and some dont even work but its fine for me and it sounded nice on my old pc 09:39 < bridge> it also can't highlight for me how this is different if it even is at all 09:39 < bridge> oic i misunderstood what u were sayign sorry chiller 09:39 < bridge> go on 09:39 <+ChillerDragon> my new pc only uses one of the speakers and its now coming from da side 09:39 < bridge> what kind of speakers 09:39 <+ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/audio1.png 09:39 <+ChillerDragon> thats what my settings show on my old working pc 09:39 <+ChillerDragon> and here settings on new pc https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1685000292.png 09:39 < bridge> ok but how many speakers and what kind 09:40 <+ChillerDragon> idk what kind of speakers do i look like sound technican 09:40 <+ChillerDragon> i have a big box below ma table i think its bass 09:40 <+ChillerDragon> and then 5 on ma desk 09:40 <+ChillerDragon> probably a driver issue 09:40 < bridge> did u used to use aux out jacks and now have a usb dac or something 09:40 <+ChillerDragon> but idk what i am looking for here 09:40 <+ChillerDragon> i used the same cables in the same port 09:40 <+ChillerDragon> the 3 colored thingies 09:41 <+ChillerDragon> i just replugged it to old pc in the same way and there it just works 09:41 < bridge> well old config is 5.1 surround sound which is 5 speakers and 1 sub 09:41 < bridge> new config looks like it's trying to do stereo 09:41 <+ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/audio0.png 09:41 <+ChillerDragon> old config like this 09:41 <+ChillerDragon> also sounds nice 09:41 <+ChillerDragon> i think the key difference is the output device being detected as "Line Out - built in audio" vs "speakers - usb audio" 09:41 < bridge> u said this was old config 09:42 < bridge> do you have 2 "Line Out - Built-in Audio"? 09:42 < bridge> did you have 2 "Line Out - Built-in Audio"? 09:42 <+ChillerDragon> i just clicked the configuration tab and changed from stereo to surround 09:42 <+ChillerDragon> both sound nice 09:42 < bridge> it's working or what 09:43 <+ChillerDragon> only on my old pc 09:43 < bridge> can you list the devices u have on the new pc 09:43 <+ChillerDragon> which shows it as "Line Out" thingiy 09:43 <+ChillerDragon> basically just the "speakers - usb audio" 09:44 <+ChillerDragon> which only reaches one of the 6 speakers .-. 09:44 <+ChillerDragon> and a bunch of garbage devices such as my microphone and my screen xd 09:44 < bridge> google says this will re-detect all pulseaudio devices without restarting the daemon 09:44 < bridge> `pacmd unload-module module-udev-detect && pacmd load-module module-udev-detect` 09:44 < bridge> tell me if you get more devices 09:45 <+ChillerDragon> didnt help ._. 09:45 <+ChillerDragon> i mean it is detected 09:45 <+ChillerDragon> just wrongly i think 09:45 < bridge> same list of devices? or what 09:45 <+ChillerDragon> yes 09:45 < bridge> you would wanna see some sort of aux out hmm 09:45 <+ChillerDragon> wai wiat 09:45 <+ChillerDragon> i restarte gnome settings 09:45 <+ChillerDragon> now i have a zillion devices 09:45 <+ChillerDragon> x 09:45 <+ChillerDragon> sec 09:46 <+ChillerDragon> ah nvm 09:46 <+ChillerDragon> its all twice xd 09:46 < bridge> sad 09:46 < bridge> can i just get a list tho 09:46 <+ChillerDragon> it doesnt lemme screenshot the mf 09:46 < bridge> weird 09:46 <+ChillerDragon> gnome blocks all kinds of screenshots when the dropdown is open xd 09:46 < bridge> bwt ChillerDragon do you use pipewire or pulseaudio? 09:46 <+ChillerDragon> pulseaudio 09:47 <+ChillerDragon> on both devices 09:47 < bridge> i dont think u can use pipewire from gnome settings 09:47 < bridge> but idk 09:47 <+ChillerDragon> fakin hell i have a all day zoom meeting in 10mins im gonna get brain damage from this sound xd 09:48 < bridge> mute zoom 09:48 < bridge> play doom 09:48 <+ChillerDragon> ez 09:48 < bridge> `pacmd list-cards`? 09:48 < bridge> tell output 09:49 <+ChillerDragon> https://paste.zillyhuhn.com/rX 09:49 <+ChillerDragon> maybe i should somehow undouble my devices again xd 09:49 < bridge> ima\_2a8f67f.jpeg 09:49 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1111199464821100594/ima_2a8f67f.jpeg 09:50 < bridge> wild i'm not seeing any built in audio 09:50 < bridge> just generic usb/spdif devices 09:50 < bridge> 09:50 < bridge> follow 5.11 09:50 < bridge> see if that helps 09:51 <+ChillerDragon> hdmi? xd 09:51 <+ChillerDragon> i dont want hdmi sound 09:51 < bridge> hdmi is audio/video 09:51 < bridge> so gpu does audio when hdmi is on 09:52 <+ChillerDragon> is it not related to hdm cable? 09:52 < bridge> if you're plugging into the aux jacks on your pc then no 09:53 < bridge> ima\_6f465dc.jpeg 09:53 <+ChillerDragon> shit trippy image 09:53 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1111200291338080286/ima_6f465dc.jpeg 09:53 < bridge> drugs picture 09:53 <+ChillerDragon> dose ma sound cables 09:53 <+ChillerDragon> no hdmi involved in my sound 09:54 < bridge> hmm I don't know if you missunderstood but the 5.11 was about 09:54 < bridge> > This might happen if PulseAudio use the wrong output device. Firstly, set up proper card profile: 09:55 <+ChillerDragon> my question is how to make "speakers - usb audio" show up as "line out - built-in audio" but thats not googleable xd 09:55 < bridge> 5.11 will help you, it's outlining what to do if only spdif devices are showing up (which is what's happening in your case) 09:55 <+ChillerDragon> ah 5.11 09:55 <+ChillerDragon> i was at 5.1 09:56 < bridge> ah lol 09:56 <+ChillerDragon> xd 09:56 < bridge> in my experience spdif in linux audio always just means generic digital audio 09:56 < bridge> same protocol and whatever 09:56 < bridge> usb 09:56 < bridge> all same 10:19 < bridge> let me know how it goes. i don't imagine you'd want to mess with audio stuff while in a conference 10:19 < bridge> so i go make rice pudding 10:21 <+ChillerDragon> xd nice rice pudding 10:21 <+ChillerDragon> yea it said all the profiles were not found even those that showed up in auto complete 10:22 <+ChillerDragon> the conf got delayed i booted one last time into my old rig to get all the deivce infos there to then compare it to the new 11:07 < bridge> Yea try booting into old disk if u can 11:07 < bridge> see if it's a hardware issue 11:08 <+ChillerDragon> ou boii this new cpu is amazing 11:08 <+ChillerDragon> compiling ddnet is so much more fun 11:08 < bridge> ahh 11:08 < bridge> which cpu 11:09 <+ChillerDragon> as a make user i have to break my year long habit of -j12 11:09 < bridge> you have more than 12 now 11:09 < bridge> wuh 11:09 <+ChillerDragon> yes pog 11:09 < bridge> but which cpu 11:09 <+ChillerDragon> 13th Gen Intel i9-13900K (32) @ 5.500GHz 11:11 < bridge> is it ok to leave a review on a draft? 11:11 < bridge> xd 11:11 < bridge> Why not. 11:13 < bridge> Ask them if they intend to change it before exiting the draft stage 11:13 < bridge> before you even waste your time analyzing that aspect 11:13 < bridge> Nice 11:13 < bridge> Big dollars 11:13 < bridge> I am on the i9 9400f 11:13 < bridge> Compile times are miserable 11:14 < bridge> well i left it 11:14 < bridge> 11:14 < bridge> dont @ me 11:16 < bridge> Lol 11:17 < bridge> @Jupeyy_Keks did u have a draft for split view? 11:17 < bridge> i remember talking about this 11:19 < bridge> I've a branch for that yes 11:19 < bridge> Oh split view is a real thing 11:19 < bridge> Nice 11:19 < bridge> kdaniel and I were hypothesizing a team spectate mode where you would be shown all the action by way of a camera pan 11:19 < bridge> and if there were 2 groups with movement activity somewhere that you can't see both at once, it'd split view 11:19 < bridge> this will make that easy 11:20 < bridge> @Ewan Green i got reminded of portal cooop 11:20 < bridge> u press tab and see a smal camera 11:20 < bridge> of other player 11:21 < bridge> It's missing network support mostly and client support is not great 11:21 < bridge> 11:21 < bridge> https://github.com/Jupeyy/ddnet/tree/useless_mini_screen 11:21 < bridge> 11:21 < bridge> Or 11:21 < bridge> 11:21 < bridge> https://github.com/Jupeyy/ddnet/tree/useless_mini_screen2 11:23 < bridge> @Jupeyy_Keks following the vulkano tut i made a compute shader program 11:23 < bridge> 164 lines to multiply 65536 values by 12 in workgroups of 1024 11:23 < bridge> xd 11:24 < bridge> Never played the coop 11:24 < bridge> im here now https://vulkano.rs/images/image_creation.html 11:24 < bridge> sounds easy given what they had going though 11:24 < bridge> for the portal views and whatnot 11:25 < bridge> Sounds ok xD 11:25 < bridge> xd 11:25 < bridge> u gotta make memory allocatos 11:25 < bridge> for everything 11:26 < bridge> command buffer, buffer, pipeline 11:26 < bridge> Yep 11:26 < bridge> descriptor sets 11:26 < bridge> It's weird first time u do it 11:26 < bridge> u gotta make memory allocators 11:26 < bridge> Advantage is. U never do useless allocations if u careful 11:26 < bridge> It's like GC vs non GC xD 11:27 < bridge> one thing, if i got it correct: u need a pipeline to make a descriptor set, but then u can use that set on any other pipeline that matches it? 11:27 < bridge> or smth like that 11:27 < bridge> Jup would you know why pClient is init in such a weird way 11:27 < bridge> I mentioned it earlier but it got buried 11:27 < bridge> Ya here 11:27 < bridge> > In order to create a descriptor set, you'll need to know the layout that it is targeting. We do this by using the "Pipeline" trait and calling .layout() on our pipeline to obtain the pipeline's layout. Next we'll fetch the layout specific to the pass that we want to target by using .set_layouts().get(0) where zero indicates the first index of the pass that we are targeting. 11:27 < bridge> > 11:27 < bridge> > Once you have created a descriptor set, you may also use it with other pipelines, as long as the bindings' types match those the pipelines' shaders expect. But Vulkan requires that you provide a pipeline whenever you create a descriptor set; you cannot create one independently of any particular pipeline. 11:30 < ws-client> well a layout is like a definition how it looks 11:30 < ws-client> the pipelines are not directly related to this 11:30 < ws-client> but the pipelines know what descriptors they will use, so here is where it has to match the descriptor set 11:32 < bridge> why did u switch chat 11:32 < bridge> xd 11:32 < ws-client> gotta support chillers amazing work 11:32 < bridge> but 11:32 < bridge> is it made in rust 11:32 < bridge> :santatrollet: 11:32 < ws-client> is discord made in rust? 11:33 < ws-client> xd 11:33 < bridge> backend 11:33 < bridge> https://discord.com/blog/why-discord-is-switching-from-go-to-rust 11:33 < ws-client> i dunno how it works in vulkano, but what you quoted sounds very confusing to me tbh 11:33 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1111225633872289832/image.png 11:34 < bridge> just saw the review MultiplierStuff lmfao 11:34 < ws-client> u can bind multiple descriptor sets to one pipeline 11:34 < ws-client> and 2 different pipelines can bind different descriptor sets, while still sharing one in common 11:37 < bridge> Nice that u already work with compute shaders 11:37 < bridge> @Jupeyy_Keks well 11:37 < bridge> the tut starts with them 11:37 < bridge> which i think may make sense 11:38 < bridge> since u dont need image math or smth 11:38 < bridge> idk 11:38 < bridge> I see 11:38 < bridge> but now i go with image 11:38 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1111226870697054250/image.png 11:38 < bridge> I c 11:39 < bridge> i admit tho without following this i would be lost 11:39 < bridge> there is simply a lot to know 11:39 < bridge> upload, download, buffers etc 11:39 < bridge> xd 11:39 < bridge> We should also implement a compute shader, to speed up zooming out far 11:40 < bridge> With a ray casting approach 11:40 < bridge> pog 11:40 < bridge> Like patiga did. Just that we don't modify the buffer we already have ^^ 11:40 < bridge> im out of the loop what are you reading ryozuki? 11:40 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1111227367101300847/image.png 11:40 < bridge> im learning vulkan 11:41 < bridge> https://vulkano.rs 11:41 < bridge> ya i figured but looks like rust docs 11:41 < bridge> o 11:41 < bridge> using this lib 11:41 < bridge> sweet 11:41 < bridge> i wonder if i would be in over my head trying to kill 2 birds with one stone following this guyde 11:41 < bridge> i wonder if i would be in over my head trying to kill 2 birds with one stone following this guide 11:41 < bridge> hm i think its too much 11:41 < bridge> vulkan is not simple 11:42 < bridge> also its threaded, it already deals with Arcs and sync 11:42 < bridge> altho the lib handles it nicely for u 11:42 < bridge> ```rust 11:42 < bridge> let future = sync::now(device.clone()) 11:42 < bridge> .then_execute(queue.clone(), command_buffer) 11:42 < bridge> .unwrap() 11:42 < bridge> .then_signal_fence_and_flush() 11:42 < bridge> .unwrap(); 11:42 < bridge> 11:42 < bridge> future.wait(None).unwrap(); 11:42 < bridge> 11:42 < bridge> let content = data_buffer.read().unwrap(); 11:42 < bridge> for (n, val) in content.iter().enumerate() { 11:42 < bridge> assert_eq!(*val, n as u32 * 12); 11:42 < bridge> } 11:42 < bridge> 11:42 < bridge> println!("Everything succeeded!"); 11:42 < bridge> ``` 11:42 < bridge> xd 11:43 < bridge> well not threaded, but u need to sync with the gpu 11:46 < bridge> I don't agree with their documentation lol 11:47 < bridge> xd 11:47 < ws-client> omg jopsti you wont belive new pc tw is as glitchy as old pc tw 11:47 < ws-client> xd 11:47 < ws-client> wat did you say about the washing effect i already pressed all kinds of buttons in settings 11:47 < bridge> Host cached memory is perfect for uploading in a sense of a staging buffer 11:47 < bridge> It has no coherent memory overhead 11:48 < ws-client> Chiller: in the monitor look for overwrite mode 11:48 < ws-client> or anti ghosting 11:48 < ws-client> is it also so glitchy while using it with openbox? :^) 11:48 < ws-client> i dont trust GNOME bro :D 11:49 < ws-client> xd 11:49 < ws-client> maybe they force tripple buffering 11:49 < ws-client> probably not 11:49 < ws-client> i didnt fully test yesterday 11:49 < ws-client> also was diff screen so :shrug: 11:50 < ws-client> sadly i can not boot into openbox during meeting xd 11:51 < bridge> i like gnome 11:51 < ws-client> i like it lot less since yesterday xd 11:51 < bridge> I implemented a multi threaded allocator using it for the playground, so I can write png data directly into the drivers memory. Saves some memcpy 11:51 < bridge> All in for performance;) 11:52 < ws-client> jopsti btw i have 400 fps rn xd 11:52 < bridge> Gnome should not be allowed being called part of linux 11:52 < bridge> It gives a wrong impression about Linux desktop 11:52 < bridge> Ppl will think windows is good 11:53 < ws-client> 400 fps lmao 11:53 < ws-client> on basically the best desktop computr u can buy rn 11:53 < ws-client> its basically same as my old pc 11:54 < ws-client> i actually looked under my table for a sec because i assumed i forgot which pc i use 11:54 < ws-client> all is the same 11:54 < ws-client> same gnome window bugs xd same fps same screen glitch 11:54 < ws-client> feels home 11:55 < ws-client> maybe i just have to downgrade gnome? xd 11:57 < ws-client> i dunno bro, but if it works in openbox then it is at least not directly a driver issue 11:57 < ws-client> at least not in a sense that the driver if only ddnet existed would suck so hard xd 11:58 < ws-client> is there a way to make kde not loog ugly af? 11:58 < ws-client> is it even better? 11:59 < ws-client> sry but where in the world does gnome good anywhere good? xd 11:59 < ws-client> xd 11:59 < ws-client> it hot 11:59 < ws-client> it looks like it was designed for tablets 11:59 < ws-client> big fat close buttons for grannies 12:00 < ws-client> ChillerDragon: https://store.kde.org/p/1122643/ 12:01 < ws-client> kde gnome shell? xd 12:01 < ws-client> apparently xd, but i dunno where to download it 12:01 < ws-client> store.kde.org xd 12:02 < ws-client> maaan i want to get this gnome to work 12:02 < ws-client> my screen settings are empty af 12:02 < ws-client> i dont see any ghosts or overwrite 12:02 < ws-client> only thing i find is overdrive 12:02 < ws-client> but arent u apple fan 12:02 < ws-client> and freesync 12:02 < ws-client> back in the days 12:03 < ws-client> https://store.kde.org/p/2029089/ 12:03 < ws-client> yes 12:03 < ws-client> there are plenty of macos theme clones 12:03 < ws-client> very hot 12:03 < ws-client> ah yeah 12:03 < ws-client> overdrive was the word 12:03 < ws-client> sry my brain not made for human language 12:03 < ws-client> ok i got all the overdrive 12:03 < ws-client> freesync is off? 12:03 < ws-client> on 12:03 < ws-client> turn off 12:04 < ws-client> freesync = vsync on the monitor 12:04 < ws-client> :joy: 12:04 < ws-client> overdrive OFF - smart OD - picture quality - balance - speed 12:04 < ws-client> just play around until u happy 12:04 < ws-client> it depends heavily on the setup anyway 12:05 <+ChillerDragon> nooo 12:05 <+ChillerDragon> i pressed a button 12:05 <+ChillerDragon> now my 3rd screen went black xd 12:05 <+ChillerDragon> how xd 12:05 < ws-client> one problem less to care about 12:05 <+ChillerDragon> my chat was on it xd 12:07 <+ChillerDragon> ok fuck it ill give kde another try how to properly install that? 12:07 < ws-client> i dunno, install kde-plasma 12:07 < ws-client> or kde-desktop 12:07 < ws-client> or kde-full 12:08 <+ChillerDragon> wat diss 12:08 <+ChillerDragon> wat u got? 12:08 < ws-client> one of these packages 12:08 < ws-client> i have debian 12:08 <+ChillerDragon> xd 12:08 <+ChillerDragon> nice i like debian 12:08 < ws-client> but on my arch i think i used kde-full 12:08 < ws-client> or similar name 12:08 <+ChillerDragon> kde-bloat 12:08 < ws-client> i am only on debian bcs least amount of self compiling packages :D 12:08 <+ChillerDragon> ? 12:08 < ws-client> gnome is just as bloated xD 12:09 <+ChillerDragon> wdym compiling packages 12:09 < ws-client> on arch u get many stuff only with AUR 12:09 <+ChillerDragon> a 12:09 <+ChillerDragon> i compile way more on debian tbh 12:09 <+ChillerDragon> to get more recent software xd 12:09 < ws-client> i compile specific stuff my own 12:09 < ws-client> but e.g. rocm takes like 40 minutes to compile lmao 12:10 <+ChillerDragon> wat dis 12:10 < ws-client> amd's cuda 12:10 <+ChillerDragon> gfx juspti 12:11 < bridge> As much as I support KDE in their educational efforts & their Frameworks, I think GNOME is a better DE than Plasma 12:11 < ws-client> :joy: 12:11 < ws-client> better in being broken? 12:11 < ws-client> i used gnome for almost 2 years 12:11 <+ChillerDragon> better how? 12:12 <+ChillerDragon> only reason why i like gnome is because it looks good out of the box and there is much stuff on stackoveflow about it 12:12 < bridge> Simpler to use and feels better 12:12 < ws-client> and u used KDE for how long? 12:12 <+ChillerDragon> me? 12:12 < bridge> A few months 12:12 < ws-client> so u never used it 12:12 < ws-client> i see 12:12 < bridge> GNOME for about the same 12:13 <+ChillerDragon> a few months is time 12:13 < ws-client> chiller just get gansta and install i3 12:13 <+ChillerDragon> i thought about it 12:13 < ws-client> but sadly even these simplistic "DE" are often buggy 12:13 <+ChillerDragon> i like ryos screenshots 12:13 < bridge> embrace the dark side install dwm 12:13 <+ChillerDragon> im scared about bugs there ye 12:14 <+ChillerDragon> and also too lazy to learn keybindings 12:14 <+ChillerDragon> i like my gnome keybindings 12:14 <+ChillerDragon> they are the same as on windows 12:14 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1111235775036661871/image.png 12:14 < ws-client> i tried ddnet in like all of them, when implemented mouse changes :D 12:14 < bridge> I liked what budgie was going for before they switched from GTK to Enlightenment 12:14 <+ChillerDragon> oh no 12:14 < bridge> but it was still not super stable 12:14 <+ChillerDragon> will kde affect my mouse? 12:14 <+ChillerDragon> i got gnome aim 12:15 < ws-client> no, ddnet uses raw input 12:15 <+ChillerDragon> pog 12:15 < bridge> which fullscreen mode u use? i *think* real fullscreen becomes exclusive to windowing system 12:15 < ws-client> except u disabled it over cl_mouseold 12:15 < ws-client> or whatever its called :D 12:15 <+ChillerDragon> @Mr.Gh0s7 have you tried it? i thought about it too 12:15 < ws-client> in theory it should, but i can force my compositor to stay active 12:15 <+ChillerDragon> i like suckless 12:16 <+ChillerDragon> https://dwm.suckless.org/ 12:16 <+ChillerDragon> you mean this? is it bug free? and 17k fps? 12:16 < bridge> yeah I have been using dwm for about 1.5 years 12:16 <+ChillerDragon> oh nice 12:16 <+ChillerDragon> maybe ill try dwm before i try kde 12:17 < bridge> i like hot dog linux 12:17 < bridge> oh dwm is awesome 12:17 <+ChillerDragon> xd 12:17 <+ChillerDragon> hot dog? 12:17 < bridge> but it and kde are like polar opposites 12:17 < bridge> it's very easy if you have a pocket @gotroyb to install it and apply his patches for you. Even my lil bro (10 yold) uses it xDD 12:17 < ws-client> who needs GUI if u have terminal UI 12:17 <+ChillerDragon> agreed 12:18 < bridge> awesome 12:18 < bridge> my little brothers use linux mint for homeschool because it was the fastest to install on multiple computers & easy to maintain 12:18 < bridge> stable and whatever 12:18 < bridge> good product 12:19 <+ChillerDragon> u all flexin w siblings or wot 12:19 < bridge> anyone here tried to compile ddnet with musl libc? or do they not have cpp implementations. i forget 12:19 < bridge> I didn't flex I only said 2 of them 12:19 <+ChillerDragon> my 2yo sister compiles her own kernel and then uses no wm at all just the raw linux tty 12:20 < bridge> you also have 2yo sister damn 12:20 <+ChillerDragon> yes everything in that sentence is fully true 12:20 < bridge> i'm being trolled by an air conditioner with wings 12:20 <+ChillerDragon> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxD 12:21 < ws-client> @Ewan libc usually doesnt contain any cpp impl 12:21 < ws-client> what is musl libc useful for? 12:21 < bridge> its claim is to speed 12:21 < ws-client> jupstr such web client enjoyer 12:21 < bridge> but compat is something of an issue 12:21 < ws-client> pog 12:21 < bridge> void and alpine use it 12:21 < ws-client> jupsti u here for the memes or you actually like it? xd 12:22 < ws-client> i like it 12:22 < bridge> it's also very lightweight. PostmarketOS uses it 12:22 < ws-client> it feels faster than discord, and i dont see other channels 12:22 < bridge> the ws-client takeover 12:22 < ws-client>