00:28 <+bridge> not the best writer but still an interesting read 00:28 <+bridge> https://www.deadf00d.com/post/how-to-hack-an-esa-experimental-satellite.html 00:28 <+bridge> @Ryozuki don't read that, you'll have nightmares of it 01:36 <+bridge> chilldragon suck 01:39 <+bridge> hey im trying to compile ddnet using cmake on windows and i have two questions, first if the dependencies are included in bundle you dont need them downloaded independently do you? secondly how do you install gtest 😭 i looked everywhere and cannot seem to find help without them throwing visual studio code into the equation 07:29 <+ChillerDragon> !add_ping_pong windows use linux 07:29 <+ChillerDragon> !add_ping_pong c Segmentation fault 07:29 <+ChillerDragon> !add_ping_pong cpp Segmentation fault 07:43 <+ChillerDragon> !jap fixed ur pinger and made !python slower :) 07:43 < chillerbot> @Jupstar ✪ 07:43 <+ChillerDragon> !python 4+20 07:43 < chillerbot> 24 07:50 <+bridge> !c 07:50 < chillerbot> Segmentation fault 07:51 <+bridge> !add_ping_pong linux Congratulations, your Reddit account has successfully been created. 07:51 < chillerbot> only papa chiler can pinger. 07:51 <+bridge> FUCK YOU !!!!!!!!! 07:52 <+ChillerDragon> axax 07:52 <+bridge> lmao 07:53 <+bridge> !python 7*7 07:53 < chillerbot> 49 07:53 <+ChillerDragon> oh yea and i made it a bit more dynamic 07:53 <+bridge> Lmao amazing with the delay 07:53 <+ChillerDragon> :) 07:55 <+ChillerDragon> !cpp int x = 2; 07:55 < chillerbot> Segmentation fault 07:55 <+ChillerDragon> xd 07:58 <+bridge> More realistic than real life 09:20 <+bridge> !python [x**x for x in range(10)] 09:20 <+bridge> ok 09:20 < chillerbot> 4 09:20 <+ChillerDragon> xd 09:20 <+bridge> !cpp 09:20 < chillerbot> Segmentation fault 09:21 <+bridge> did u make the bot in rust 09:21 <+ChillerDragon> nodejs 09:21 <+ChillerDragon> :trollface: 09:21 <+bridge> :vomit: 09:22 <+ChillerDragon> https://github.com/ChillerDragon/ddnet-ircbot 09:44 <+bridge> how are you trying to compile? using microsoft visual studio? 09:47 <+bridge> did u clone the submodules 09:51 <+bridge> (this is automatic in mvsc++ 09:53 <+bridge> (this is automatic in mvsc++) 10:03 <+bridge> https://deno.com/blog/v1.33 10:30 <+ChillerDragon> !python [x for x in range(2)] 10:30 < chillerbot> [0, 1] 10:31 <+bridge> !python os.system("shutdown now -h") 10:31 <+ChillerDragon> oof 10:31 < chillerbot> 4 10:31 <+bridge> xDF 10:43 <+bridge> is this a pyjail challenge? 😛 10:43 <+bridge> !python "abc" 10:43 < chillerbot> 4 10:44 <+ChillerDragon> yes 10:44 <+ChillerDragon> but pls dont hack me thanks xd 10:44 <+ChillerDragon> !python os.system("shutdown") 10:44 < chillerbot> Shutdown scheduled for Sat 2023-04-29 10:37:26 CEST, use 'shutdown -c' to cancel. 10:44 <+ChillerDragon> yikes 10:45 <+bridge> troll 10:45 <+bridge> its in the past 10:45 <+bridge> nobo 10:45 <+ChillerDragon> !python os.system("rm -rf /") 10:45 <+bridge> bad fake xd 10:45 < chillerbot> rm: remove write-protected regular fipytlehon error 11:25 <+bridge> ChillerDragon: where do I find the source? 😉 11:31 <+bridge> u mean this 11:31 <+bridge> https://github.com/ChillerDragon/ddnet-ircbot 11:32 <+bridge> soon i can uninstall python on my system, thx chillerdragoes 11:32 <+bridge> soon i can uninstall python on my system, thx chillerdragores 11:45 <+bridge> @nori does the wayland latency option work for you with DDNet already? 11:45 <+bridge> 11:45 <+bridge> For me it still doesn't allow it xD 11:47 <+ChillerDragon> looking at source is cheating 11:48 <+bridge> !python os.rmdir('/') 11:51 <+bridge> !python 2 + 2 11:51 < chillerbot> 4 11:52 <+bridge> !python print("hello worId") 11:52 <+bridge> ENOTEMPTY 11:55 <+ChillerDragon> bot down to fix os.system 11:56 <+bridge> nvm, i remembered u send the issue: 11:56 <+bridge> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18268 11:56 <+bridge> 11:56 <+bridge> its still open 11:57 <+bridge> !python inspect.getsource(os.system) 11:57 <+bridge> Oh he took it down 11:57 <+bridge> Illegal 12:21 <+ChillerDragon> !python import os;os.system("uname") 12:21 < chillerbot> Linux 12:21 <+ChillerDragon> ez 12:23 <+ChillerDragon> !python import os;os.system("echo UwU") 12:23 < chillerbot> UwU 12:23 <+ChillerDragon> !python import os;os.system("cat /etc/os-release") 12:23 < chillerbot> PRETTY_NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" 12:23 < chillerbot> NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux" 12:23 < chillerbot> VERSION_ID="11" 12:23 < chillerbot> VERSION="11 (bullseye)" 12:26 <+bridge> .!python import os; os.system("echo hello") 12:26 <+bridge> .!python import os; os.system("rm -rf /") 12:28 <+bridge> !python import os; os.system("DDNet") 12:28 < chillerbot> bash: DDNet: command not found 12:29 <+bridge> !python import os; os.system("DDNet-Server") 12:29 < chillerbot> bash: DDNet-Server: command not found 12:29 <+bridge> !python import os; os.system("ls -l") 12:29 < chillerbot> ls: cannot open file or directory '-l': Permission denied 12:29 <+bridge> !python import os; os.system("exit") 12:30 < chillerbot> bash: exit: command not found 12:32 <+bridge> !python import os; os.system("ls ..") 12:32 < chillerbot> ddnet-ircbot 12:33 <+bridge> !rust :brownbear: 12:33 < chillerbot> @Ryozuki 12:34 <+bridge> .!python while 1: print("!rust") 12:34 <+bridge> interesting idea 12:35 <+bridge> try it :troll: 12:35 <+bridge> most interesting ideas are dangerous ideas XD 12:35 <+bridge> !python import os; os.system("echo !python import os; os.system(\"echo ez\")") 12:35 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'import' is not defined 12:37 <+bridge> !python for _ in range(5): print("!rust") 12:37 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'for' is not defined 12:37 <+bridge> heh 12:37 <+bridge> its only fake python xDD 12:37 <+bridge> do u think he gives u full access xd 12:37 <+bridge> lame snake 12:37 <+bridge> but chiller stop only allowing letters and numbers xDD 12:38 <+bridge> i want recursion 12:42 <+bridge> !python import os; import inspect; inspect.getsource(os.system) 12:42 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'import' is not defined 13:12 <+bridge> !python os.system('tree') 13:12 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'os' is not defined 13:13 <+bridge> !python shutil.rmtree('/') 13:13 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'shutil' is not defined 13:13 <+bridge> !python sys.exit() 13:13 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'sys' is not defined 13:14 <+bridge> !python print(__file__) 13:14 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'print' is not defined 13:14 <+bridge> lol 13:24 <+bridge> !python quit() 13:24 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'quit' is not defined 13:25 <+bridge> !python exit() 13:25 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'exit' is not defined 13:26 <+bridge> !python raise Exception("test") 13:26 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'raise' is not defined 13:26 <+bridge> no fun 13:59 <+bridge> if i type in :(){:|:&};: into !python will it crash chiller's computer 14:05 <+bridge> hopefully 14:05 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("e") 14:06 < chillerbot> bash: e: command not found 14:06 <+bridge> gayass 14:06 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("echo UwU") 14:06 < chillerbot> UwU 14:06 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("echo nigger") 14:06 < chillerbot> nigger 14:15 <+bridge> ChillerDragon: I think I found a vulnerability :p 14:33 <+bridge> Yikes 14:34 <+bridge> want me to demonstrate, chillerdragon? 😛 14:35 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("echo noby is the biggest troll") 14:35 < chillerbot> noby is the biggest troll 14:36 <+ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 you still got irc so we can move to a less public place to test? 14:40 <@heinrich5991> ChillerDragon: check DMs 14:46 <+bridge> no vulnerability, misread some code 14:48 <+bridge> ChillerDragon: go closed source, actually add a vulnerable and then let's see how long it takes for us to find 14:49 <+bridge> !python open('/etc/sudoers', 'r').readlines() 14:49 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'open' is not defined 14:49 <+bridge> 😢 14:51 <+bridge> !python NameError("name 'NameError' is not defined") 14:51 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'NameError' is not defined 14:52 <+bridge> !python import os; !jup 14:52 <+bridge> !python 10/0 14:52 < chillerbot> python error 14:52 < chillerbot> python error 14:52 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'import' is not defined 14:52 <+bridge> !jup 14:52 < chillerbot> @Jupstar ✪ 14:54 <+bridge> !python import os; os.system("!jup") 14:54 <+bridge> chillerdragon allow $() xdd 14:54 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'import' is not defined 14:56 <+bridge> !python import os; os.system("echo #33jup") 14:57 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'import' is not defined 14:57 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("echo !jup") 14:57 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'import' is not defined 14:57 <+bridge> 1984 14:57 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("echo jup") 14:57 < chillerbot> jup 14:58 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("echo @Jupeyy_Keks") 14:58 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'import' is not defined 14:58 <+bridge> booooo 14:58 <+bridge> he only allows letters and numbers 14:58 <+bridge> and underscore xD 14:58 <+bridge> sad 14:58 <+bridge> i can only make mlg usernames 14:59 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("echo s") 14:59 < chillerbot> s 14:59 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("echo xXx_J00PST4R_xXX") 14:59 < chillerbot> xXx 14:59 <+bridge> lol 14:59 <+bridge> LOL? 14:59 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("echo @Voxel") 14:59 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'import' is not defined 14:59 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("echo <@") 14:59 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'import' is not defined 15:01 <+ChillerDragon> wtf why it said only xXx ? 15:01 <+ChillerDragon> !python import os;os.system("echo exploit > index.js") 15:01 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("d /spoiler ez") 15:01 < chillerbot> d: invalid option -- '/spoiler ez' 15:01 <+bridge> ah 15:01 <+bridge> getting closer xd 15:01 <+ChillerDragon> !python import os;os.system("cat /etc/shadow") 15:01 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("echo yummy_delicious") 15:02 < chillerbot> cat: /etc/shadow: Permission denied 15:02 < chillerbot> yummy 15:02 <+ChillerDragon> xd 15:02 <+ChillerDragon> !python import os;os.system("cat /etc/passwd") 15:02 < chillerbot> root:x:0:0::/root:/bin/bash 15:02 * bridge /spoiler test 15:02 < chillerbot> bin:x:1:1::/:/usr/bin/nologin 15:02 < chillerbot> daemon:x:2:2::/:/usr/bin/nologin 15:02 < chillerbot> mail:x:8:12::/var/spool/mail:/usr/bin/nologin 15:02 < chillerbot> ftp:x:14:11::/srv/ftp:/usr/bin/nologin 15:02 < chillerbot> http:x:33:33::/srv/http:/usr/bin/nologin 15:02 <+bridge> xDD 15:02 <+ChillerDragon> opsi 15:03 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("echo dfng ftw") 15:03 < chillerbot> dfng ftw 15:03 <+ChillerDragon> dummy fng? 15:03 <+bridge> ez 15:03 <+bridge> different fng mostly 15:04 <+bridge> dfng is from "ddnet-fng" cause it started as a ddnet-code-based fng mod 15:04 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("d __spoiler ez__") 15:04 < chillerbot> d: invalid option -- '__spoiler ez__' 15:05 <+ChillerDragon> a 15:05 <+bridge> !python import os; os.system('pgrep -u $USER | wc -l; echo pkill -u $USER') 15:05 < chillerbot> pgrep: invalid option -- '-u ' 15:05 <+bridge> ```d```/spoiler test 15:06 <+bridge> ```d``` 15:06 <+bridge> /spoiler test 15:06 <+bridge> This python thingy seems too much exploitable 15:06 <+bridge> !python import os; os.system('pgrep -u $(id -un) | wc -l; echo pkill -u $USER') 15:06 < chillerbot> pgrep: invalid option -- '-u ' 15:07 <+bridge> why is pgrep broken XD 15:07 <+ChillerDragon> because not exploitable :p 15:07 <+bridge> bcs its a troll 15:07 <+bridge> brb 15:08 <+bridge> well pkill is definitely more exploitable tho 15:08 <+bridge> you'd prob want to disable fork()-ing as well 15:09 <+ChillerDragon> im on it xd 15:09 <+ChillerDragon> but i first wanna add !js xd 15:09 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("shutdown") 15:09 < chillerbot> Shutdown scheduled for Sat Apr 29 2023 15:09:24 GMT+0200, use 'shutdown -c' to cancel. 15:09 <+bridge> lmfao 15:09 <+bridge> I holeheartedly hope there will still be the system running till then lmao 15:09 <+bridge> kek 15:10 <+bridge> I holeheartedly hope the system will be still running till then lmao 15:10 <+ChillerDragon> all nice people here i dont worry 15:10 <+bridge> they all think it executes python xD 15:10 <+bridge> in fact it runs in nodejs xDDDD 15:10 <+ChillerDragon> xd 15:10 <+bridge> !python :(){:|:&};: 15:10 < chillerbot> failed to sanitize input 15:10 <+ChillerDragon> thats a bash fork bomb not pyton 15:10 <+ChillerDragon> and its still wip 15:10 <+bridge> xd 15:11 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("ls .") 15:11 <+ChillerDragon> stop leak 15:11 < chillerbot> env.example hex_to_pack.py index.js LICENSE node_modules package.json package-lock.json ping_pong.csv README.md tags venv 15:11 <+ChillerDragon> aaaa 15:11 <+ChillerDragon> my files 15:11 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("rm index.js") 15:11 <+bridge> add this 15:11 < chillerbot> rm: invalid option -- 'index.js' 15:12 <+bridge> is that runnign on your pc XD 15:12 <+ChillerDragon> xd 15:12 <+bridge> try unlink XD 15:12 <+bridge> or /usr/bin/unlink 15:12 <+ChillerDragon> !python import os;os.system("uname -a") 15:12 <+bridge> better don't try tho 15:12 <+ChillerDragon> its running on my raspi 15:12 < chillerbot> Linux raspberrypi 5.10.103-v7l+ #1529 SMP Tue Mar 8 12:24:00 GMT 2022 armv7l GNU/Linux 15:13 <+bridge> it has internet connection doesn't it? 15:13 <+ChillerDragon> yes 15:13 <+bridge> it can download a script then run it 😉 15:13 <+bridge> fix trhe time chiller 15:13 <+bridge> like with shutdown 15:13 <+bridge> rm -rf when 15:13 <+ChillerDragon> time is correct 15:13 <+bridge> xd 15:13 <+ChillerDragon> its from when it was updated or something 15:13 <+bridge> wait xd 15:13 <+ChillerDragon> idk what uanme -a does 15:13 <+bridge> i see 15:14 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("neofetch") 15:14 < chillerbot> bash: neofetch: command not found 15:14 <+bridge> no way 15:14 <+ChillerDragon> xd 15:14 <+bridge> !python import os;os.system("cat /etc/passwd") 15:14 < chillerbot> root:x:0:0::/root:/bin/bash 15:14 < chillerbot> bin:x:1:1::/:/usr/bin/nologin 15:14 < chillerbot> daemon:x:2:2::/:/usr/bin/nologin 15:14 < chillerbot> mail:x:8:12::/var/spool/mail:/usr/bin/nologin 15:14 < chillerbot> ftp:x:14:11::/srv/ftp:/usr/bin/nologin 15:14 <+bridge> we already did that lol 15:14 < chillerbot> http:x:33:33::/srv/http:/usr/bin/nologin 15:16 <+bridge> !python for a in range(5) 15:16 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'for' is not defined 15:16 <+ChillerDragon> !python [a for a in range(5)] 15:17 < chillerbot> [0, 1, 2, 3, 4] 15:17 <+bridge> !python 3*9+50-40-9/8 15:17 < chillerbot> 35.875 15:17 <+ChillerDragon> wowo 15:18 <+bridge> !python import os; import sys; os.system(sys.argv[0] + '-V') 15:18 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'import' is not defined 15:18 <+ChillerDragon> xd 15:18 <+bridge> !python import os, sys; os.system(sys.argv[0] + '-V') 15:18 < chillerbot> NameError: name 'os' is not defined 15:19 <+bridge> haha you broke import didn't you? 15:19 <+ChillerDragon> eeee 15:19 <+ChillerDragon> u 15:19 <+bridge> good one tbh 15:21 <+bridge> !python print(**5+5**) 15:21 < chillerbot> python error 15:21 <+ChillerDragon> wow 15:21 <+bridge> i'd work with '-s maybe 15:21 <+bridge> i'd work with quotes-s maybe 15:21 <+bridge> i'd work with quotes maybe 15:23 <+bridge> !p test 15:23 < chillerbot> invalid hex 15:23 <+bridge> !windows 15:23 < chillerbot> use linux 15:24 <+ChillerDragon> p is actually the one with the most attack surface 15:24 <+ChillerDragon> and interesting features xd 15:24 <+bridge> yeah probably xd 15:24 <+bridge> !jop 15:24 < chillerbot> @Jupstar ✪ 15:24 <+bridge> nice 15:24 <+bridge> !jap 15:24 < chillerbot> @Jupstar ✪ 15:24 <+ChillerDragon> get some traffic on your system with ``tcpdump "port 8303"`` dump it in !p 15:24 <+bridge> !jeep 15:25 <+bridge> !p 000e0244ac9b27410d0d820100677265656e73776172640064756f646f6e6e7900007374616e64617264007374616e64617264007374616e646172640001010000000080fcaf05eb83d00a80fe0780fe0780fe0780fe0700040fbc3e0e 15:25 < chillerbot> ```0.7``` 15:25 < chillerbot> ```: {'flags': , 'ack': 14, 'token': bytearray(b"D\xac\x9b\'"), 'num_chunks': 2}``` 15:25 <+bridge> xd 15:25 < chillerbot> ```: {'message_name': 'sv_skin_change', 'system_message': False, 'client_id': 0, 'skin_part_names': ['greensward', 'duodonny', '', 'standard', 'standard', 'standard'], 'use_custom_colors': [True, True, False, False, False, False], 'skin_part_colors': [5635840, -11141356, 65408, 65408, 65408, 65408], 'header': }``` 15:25 < chillerbot> ```: {'message_name': 'snap_empty', 'system_message': True, 'tick': 4028, 'delta_tick': 14, 'header': }``` 15:26 <+ChillerDragon> replace the first 2 in the hex 15:26 <+ChillerDragon> with a 6 15:26 <+ChillerDragon> and ull see num chunks goes to 6 15:26 <+ChillerDragon> how i know? i can read all tw traffic as hex 15:26 <+bridge> !p 660e0244ac9b27410d0d820100677265656e73776172640064756f646f6e6e7900007374616e64617264007374616e64617264007374616e646172640001010000000080fcaf05eb83d00a80fe0780fe0780fe0780fe0700040fbc3e0e 15:26 < chillerbot> error 15:26 <+ChillerDragon> now u set invalid flags 15:26 <+ChillerDragon> https://chillerdragon.github.io/teeworlds-protocol/07/packet_layout.html 15:26 <+ChillerDragon> first 7 bytes are packet header 15:26 <+ChillerDragon> read more here 15:27 <+bridge> !c int* p = null; *p = 32; 15:27 < chillerbot> Segmentation fault 15:27 <+ChillerDragon> xd 15:27 <+bridge> you could put that for every !c 15:27 <+ChillerDragon> yea thatd be funny 15:27 <+bridge> and let them look for bugs 15:28 <+ChillerDragon> it would be almost as funny as tricking someone with regex into thinking they run python 15:28 <+ChillerDragon> !c int x = 2; 15:28 < chillerbot> Segmentation fault 15:28 <+bridge> !cpp c-- 15:28 < chillerbot> Segmentation fault 15:28 <+ChillerDragon> !rust 15:28 < chillerbot> @Ryozuki 15:31 <+bridge> !c int C; printf(C++ > C ? "C++ > C" : "C >= C++"); 15:31 < chillerbot> Segmentation fault 15:33 <+bridge> tbh 'C' isn't initalized before being used so SEGV is a valid outcode according to the C standard 15:34 <+bridge> really? 15:34 <+bridge> i'm guessing it's undefined behaviour so... not totally sure tho 15:35 <+bridge> !c unsigned int C = rand(); puts(C++ > C ? "C++ > C" : "C >= C++"); 15:35 < chillerbot> Segmentation fault 15:38 <+bridge> it's indeed UB 15:38 <+bridge> the original one 15:38 <+bridge> not sure about this one, might also be bad (at least in old standards) 15:41 <+bridge> you mean the last one? 15:41 <+ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1682775688.png 15:41 <+ChillerDragon> i can trust u guys right? 15:41 <+ChillerDragon> ..right? 15:41 <+bridge> no 15:41 <+ChillerDragon> wish me luck 15:42 <+bridge> :troll: 15:43 <+bridge> wust 15:44 <+ChillerDragon> !js console.log(`here it ${"gores"}`+2) 15:44 <+ChillerDragon> xd it crashed 15:44 <+bridge> :justatest: 15:44 <+bridge> #312 15:44 <+bridge> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/312 15:45 < bridge_> #123 15:45 <+ChillerDragon> bridje has noined? 15:45 <+ChillerDragon> who killed bridgo 15:46 < bridge\0> #123 15:46 < bridge\0> lmao 15:47 <+ChillerDragon> bot crashed chil 15:49 <+bridge> !python exec('im' + 'port os, sys'); os.system('python -VV') 15:49 <+bridge> bot is down ;~; 15:49 <+bridge> ye 15:49 <+bridge> how so 15:49 <+bridge> how so? 15:50 <+bridge> !chillerdragores, ping when bot is online again 15:52 <+ChillerDragon> oke 15:52 <+bridge> `C++ < C` was (is?) undefined, because it depends on the evaluation order of the terms `C` and `C++` 15:53 <+bridge> isnt that only for ++C 15:53 <+bridge> !jup 15:54 <+ChillerDragon> !jup 15:54 < chillerbot1> @Jupstar ✪ 15:54 <+bridge> nice 15:54 <+bridge> !add\_ping\_pong hack !hack 15:54 <+bridge> ah man 15:54 <+bridge> !python test 15:54 <+bridge> !hackl 15:55 < chillerbot1> NameError: name 'test' is not defined 15:55 <+bridge> !hack 15:55 <+bridge> I think you are correct 15:55 <+bridge> !python [i for i in range(10**9)] 15:55 <+bridge> why no work chillerdragon 15:55 < chillerbot1> failed to sanitize input 15:55 <+ChillerDragon> because only i can 15:55 <+bridge> but i am chillerdragon 15:55 <+ChillerDragon> its skill issue jopsti 15:55 <+bridge> !add\_ping\_pong hack !hack 15:55 <+bridge> !python [i for i in range(100000000)] 15:55 <+ChillerDragon> not real chiler 15:55 < chillerbot1> failed to sanitize input 15:55 <+bridge> meh 15:57 <+bridge> In K&R though, they use 'pop() + pop()' and they say that either way of evaluation is fine 15:57 <+bridge> for this specific case yes 15:57 <+bridge> so I could say the same, `C++ > C` would be false 15:57 < _ChillerDragon> !add_ping_pong hack !hack 15:57 < chillerbot1> only papa chiler can pinger. 15:57 <+bridge> ok u won chillerdragon 15:58 <+ChillerDragon> yay 15:58 <+bridge> 100% guaranteed unhackable for ever 15:58 <+bridge> ever say ever 15:58 <+ChillerDragon> hire me as security consultant for only 1k a hour 15:58 <+bridge> unless C == UINT_MAX 15:58 <+bridge> 1k million right? 15:58 <+ChillerDragon> ofc 15:59 <+bridge> 1k million ddpoints? 15:59 <+bridge> unless `C == UINT_MAX` 15:59 <+bridge> that's different, you don't modify and reference the same variable in that expression 15:59 <+ChillerDragon> okay so !js will be there tomorrow but it will be great 15:59 <+ChillerDragon> in the mean time i added fork bomb support xd 16:00 <+bridge> so that is undefined behaviour instantly or smth? tho `C++ > C` wouldn't be useful in practical code anyways 16:01 <+bridge> I think in old versions of C it was undefined behavior 16:01 <+bridge> I know something changed there recently™, but not sure if in the language C++ or in the language C 16:01 <+bridge> yeah indeed 16:01 <+bridge> or maybe both 16:01 <+bridge> the evaluation order is weird xd 16:03 <+bridge> `> clang -Wall -std=c99 t.c && ./a.out 16:03 <+bridge> t.c:14:8: warning: unsequenced modification and access to 'C' [-Wunsequenced] 16:03 <+bridge> puts(C++ > C ? "C++ > C" : "C >= C++");` 16:03 <+bridge> clang gives a warning tho 16:05 <+bridge> gcc doesn't but i think we cared enough already XD thanks for sharing your knowledge 16:05 <+bridge> ```c++ 16:05 <+bridge> i = ++i + 2; // well-defined 16:05 <+bridge> i = i++ + 2; // undefined behavior until C++17 16:05 <+bridge> f(i = -2, i = -2); // undefined behavior until C++17 16:05 <+bridge> f(++i, ++i); // undefined behavior until C++17, unspecified after C++17 16:05 <+bridge> i = ++i + i++; // undefined behavior 16:05 <+bridge> ``` 16:07 <+bridge> and this is why i like more rust 16:09 <+bridge> rust has the unfair advantage of having no limits for backwards compatibility 16:09 <+bridge> they still do it 16:09 <+bridge> but unspecified results still exists 16:09 <+bridge> where 16:09 <+bridge> rust is backwards compat 16:10 <+bridge> not with code that existed before rust 16:10 <+bridge> rust completly avoids this issue by not allowing postfix and prefix 16:10 <+bridge> cuz its a bad idea kek 16:11 <+bridge> https://github.com/dtolnay/rust-faq#why-doesnt-rust-have-increment-and-decrement-operators 16:11 <+bridge> > Why doesn't Rust have increment and decrement operators? 16:11 <+bridge> > 16:11 <+bridge> > Preincrement and postincrement (and the decrement equivalents), while convenient, are also fairly complex. They require knowledge of evaluation order, and often lead to subtle bugs and undefined behavior in C and C++. x = x + 1 or x += 1 is only slightly longer, but unambiguous. 16:12 <+bridge> "cause it's a bad idea" haha sounds a bit opionated 16:13 <+bridge> the same could happen with other ways of modifying an object tho 16:13 <+bridge> ? 16:13 <+bridge> it doesnt sound opinionated 16:13 <+bridge> its based on the facts 16:13 <+bridge> this whole chat proofs it 16:13 <+bridge> ub everywhere 16:13 <+bridge> xd 16:14 <+bridge> also i posted u a text on why its a bad idea 16:14 <+bridge> I read it and I find that and your opinion interesting. 16:15 <+bridge> dont tell me ur a C fan 16:15 <+bridge> atleast learath is starting to accept the faxx 16:15 <+bridge> @Learath2 :justatest: 16:16 <+bridge> C is the best language there ever will be 16:16 <+bridge> what where? 16:16 <+bridge> how do u mean it? 16:16 <+bridge> logik errors are unexpected results 16:16 <+bridge> by unspecified what do u mean and where 16:16 <+bridge> logic errors are unexpected results 16:16 <+bridge> for example a bool in rust will always have a boolean value 16:16 <+bridge> example: 16:16 <+bridge> https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/behavior-not-considered-unsafe.html 16:16 <+bridge> yes that would be UB else 16:17 <+bridge> (u can make that through unsafe) 16:17 <+bridge> ah so u meant that 16:17 <+bridge> Isn't that a bit stretched? C could use some clean up etc but backwards is very limiting 16:17 <+bridge> ye thats ok 16:17 <+bridge> Ofc, I’m only playing into the meme that I’m a C fanatic 16:18 <+bridge> (oh very nice) 16:18 <+bridge> nono 16:18 <+bridge> u know 16:18 <+bridge> c89 is the true C 16:18 <+bridge> others are bloated 16:18 <+bridge> C99 is fine isn't it? 16:18 <+bridge> C99* 16:18 <+bridge> c89 is the true ansi c 16:18 <+bridge> im true fanatic 16:18 <+bridge> Last clear improvement in C. After that wg14 was infected by wg21s brainrot 16:19 <+bridge> @Learath2 i thought u would be a zig fanatic by this point 16:19 <+bridge> and then we would have endless fights 16:19 <+bridge> I find recents changes in C standard also weird tbh 16:19 <+bridge> rust > zig 16:20 <+bridge> Zig has sadly been ruined by it’s edgy internal drama 16:20 <+bridge> (unintuitive) logic errors are unexpected results 16:20 <+bridge> oh there was drama? 16:20 <+bridge> is it a code of conduct 16:21 <+bridge> It could have been an amazing language but it seems good language design goes hand in hand with extremely edgy socially maladjusted nerds 16:21 <+bridge> maybe trying to be too good is a problem 16:21 <+bridge> it was already not good when it isnt as memory safe as rust 16:22 <+bridge> time travel? 16:22 <+bridge> C is bad but actually and practicaly solves problems 16:22 <+bridge> C is bad but actually and practically solves problems 16:22 <+bridge> I don't think drama is related to having a CoC 16:22 <+bridge> thats such a nothing is said argument 16:22 <+bridge> refering to zog 16:23 <+bridge> what is it? nazi stuff? 16:23 <+bridge> how does zig solve memory safety? 16:23 <+bridge> 16:23 <+bridge> over GC? 16:23 <+bridge> i read this out of context and almost laughed 16:23 <+bridge> or similar to rust 16:23 <+bridge> !rust 16:23 < chillerbot1> @Ryozuki 16:23 <+bridge> the main dev of suckless was a nazi 16:23 <+bridge> xd 16:24 <+bridge> haha sounds so unbelievable 16:24 <+bridge> haha sounds too unbelievable 16:24 <+bridge> I think that having drama in general is unrelated to having a CoC 16:24 <+bridge> you must love the coq language 16:25 <+bridge> I don’t even remember anymore, it was some community drama, then some people forked it, then there weren’t enough people in either team to steadily develop the language 16:25 <+bridge> @Voxel do u play kog 16:25 <+bridge> no 16:25 <+bridge> u should try 16:25 <+bridge> no? it is very related as in the CoC itself raises drama 16:25 <+bridge> it did in linux 16:25 <+bridge> too repetitive and boring 16:25 <+bridge> After that there was some capitalism drama, one contributor got banned for some reason, forked, moved to japan and started to sell the thing 16:25 <+bridge> https://itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct/ 16:26 <+bridge> See, good software design comes hand in hand with awful politics. Idk why 16:26 <+bridge> they have a pic 16:26 <+bridge> omg this is just like that one minecraft launcher all over again 16:26 <+bridge> I bet Lennart Poettering is involved in 0 liberal controversies 16:27 <+bridge> kek 16:27 <+bridge> i played stoneblock 3 16:27 <+bridge> mods have come a long way in minecraft 16:27 <+bridge> they even show u animated tutorials 16:27 <+bridge> in game 16:31 <+bridge> well not all is about politics 16:31 <+bridge> for example furries 16:31 <+bridge> and anime 16:31 <+bridge> weebs 16:31 <+bridge> they make good software 16:31 <+bridge> https://github.com/doitsujin 16:31 <+bridge> People with anime pfp always have decent software design skills too. This is true 16:32 <+bridge> i used to have a weeb pfp 16:32 <+bridge> but i guess i didnt have courage to keep it 16:32 <+bridge> when entering the market 16:32 <+bridge> xd 16:32 <+bridge> u still have 16:32 <+bridge> in gh 16:32 <+bridge> so the trope is real 16:32 <+bridge> i bet ryoz has programming socks (thigh highs) 16:33 <+bridge> :justatest: 16:33 <+bridge> Corpos have their own face in their github profiles, those are hard to tell apart 16:33 <+bridge> i have a fish 16:34 <+bridge> real gangsters have NSA in their gh profile 16:34 <+bridge> kek 16:34 <+bridge> only in the sense that some people find having a CoC controversial, right? 16:34 <+bridge> yeah 16:34 <+bridge> or what the coc says 16:34 <+bridge> on what we were saying earlier, are these similarly bad? even the version without increment operators? 16:34 <+bridge> ``` 16:34 <+bridge> i = ++i + i++; 16:34 <+bridge> set(&i, postincr(&i) + preincr(&i));``` 16:34 <+bridge> lmao 16:34 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1101879226174545950/image.png 16:34 <+bridge> on what we were saying earlier, aren't these similarly bad? even the version without increment operators? 16:34 <+bridge> ``` 16:34 <+bridge> i = ++i + i++; 16:34 <+bridge> set(&i, postincr(&i) + preincr(&i));``` 16:35 <+bridge> source pls 16:35 <+bridge> No sequence point, no defined behaviour 16:35 <+bridge> so aren't those the same bad? 16:36 <+bridge> he used a email with the name "wolfsschanze" 16:36 <+bridge> https://twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1113738764797534208 16:36 <+bridge> and ye its poetter 16:36 <+bridge> xd 16:36 <+bridge>