01:56 < bridge> ENVÍEME EL NOMBRE DE SU PAÍS ESTAMOS BENDICIENDO A ALGUIEN ANTES DE LA MEDIANOCHE $300 $500 - $800 Y $1200 04:21 < bridge> for indie dev i highly recommend existing solution (like microsoft's playfab), less effort, not that much more expensive than hosting your own server for the user base you're expecting to have. 04:25 < bridge> or if you expect to publish on a single platform (like steam), using the platform's service directly (usually for free) is a good idea too. 04:28 < bridge> <𝐊𝐑𝐀𝐋> thanks i will look into it 05:09 < bridge> fred how r u doing 05:54 < bridge> Ok 05:54 < bridge> I'm waiting for my KFC 06:01 < bridge> Epic 06:01 < bridge> Haven’t had KFC in a minute 08:30 < ChillerDragon> @Robyt3 do you play ddnet? if yes under which name? 08:35 < bridge> woah i never even thought of that 09:00 < bridge> Robyt3 in-game is Robyt3 09:02 < bridge> 09:16 < ChillerDragon> rly jopsti? 09:17 < ChillerDragon> but does he play? 09:17 < ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1682406985.png 09:17 < ChillerDragon> where did my c++ line numbers go :( 09:17 < ChillerDragon> `` CC=clang CXX=clang++ CXXFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined -fsanitize-recover=address,undefined -fno-omit-frame-pointer" CFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined -fsanitize-recover=address,undefined -fno-omit-frame-pointer" cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DHEADLESS_CLIENT=ON -DCURSES_CLIENT=ON 09:18 < ChillerDragon> a 09:18 < ChillerDragon> fk 09:18 < ChillerDragon> i compiled like this `` CC=clang CXX=clang++ CXXFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined -fsanitize-recover=address,undefined -fno-omit-frame-pointer" CFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined -fsanitize-recover=address,undefined -fno-omit-frame-pointer" cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DHEADLESS_CLIENT=ON`` 09:18 < ChillerDragon> yesterday i still had line numbers xd 09:19 < ChillerDragon> ``DDNet: ELF 64-bit LSB pie executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 4.4.0, BuildID[sha1]=f4622ec1ca0e2802458ccca060d681619257dfc8, with debug_info, not stripped`` 09:19 < ChillerDragon> not stripped they say 09:19 < ChillerDragon> and yet asan giving me the full lap dance 09:20 < ChillerDragon> watf 09:20 < ChillerDragon> @Robyt3 you dont play very much then i assume? whats your motivation for working so much on the code base then? 09:28 < bridge> Maybe he plays lan server 24/7 xd 09:45 < bridge> I almost never play race. Used to play vanilla or some other PVP mods like Insta or Catch if there are enough players. I mostly just like to code nowadays. 09:57 < bridge> Honorable 09:57 < bridge> Chiller u compiled as pie 09:58 < bridge> I dunno if the sanitizers can handle address randomization 09:58 < bridge> Mh but u in debug mode. Weird weird 10:23 < bridge> I See. Well thanks for doing it \:) 10:23 < bridge> (@Robyt3) 11:51 < bridge> who coded this bot 11:51 < bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1100358393803309056/image.png 11:55 < bridge> @ChillerDragon hey random, apperantly all people here are stupid 11:56 < bridge> :Ray: 11:56 < bridge> shots fired 12:07 < bridge> note for future self: design a table you know will have a lot of records based on a date using psql partitioning, because later on will be a chore to migrate to partitioned tables 12:07 < bridge> and cuz im lazy i just deleted old data 12:12 < bridge> Partitioning is about where my knowledge of SQL ends. I can sort of see it help with the issue you mentioned this morning but I also don't see why your original query performed so badly 12:13 < bridge> no index 12:14 < bridge> or outdated index 12:14 < bridge> or outdated index (when you insert/updated a lot on an indexed table, you have to recreate the index from time to time) 12:15 < bridge> idk it had 7million rows 12:15 < bridge> that's nothing 12:15 < bridge> He already had an index on the date 12:15 < bridge> dude if u dont know what utalk about better stfu 12:15 < bridge> the explain literally says it 12:15 < bridge> I do know what I am talking about 12:15 < bridge> sometimes u rly make me mad 12:15 < bridge> no u dont know shit 12:15 < bridge> u just blabber 12:15 < bridge> my company does the documents for most german companies 12:16 < bridge> we have at least 50 million entries in a table 12:16 < bridge> recreating the index from time to time helps 12:16 < bridge> :fuckyousnail: 12:16 < bridge> if you were smart enough to create an index in the first place 12:16 < bridge> my god 12:16 < bridge> im done 12:17 < bridge> not my fault you are not as smart 12:18 < bridge> (timeouted both for insulting each other) 12:33 < DefaultO> Don't wanna complain. But Heinrich banned me from the ddnet Server for things that happened outside of it. 12:33 < bridge> you timed him out and he left the server :kekW: 12:33 < DefaultO> Nah I have been banned @spur 12:33 < bridge> wat 12:33 < bridge> how u talkin 12:33 < DefaultO> irc chat 12:33 < bridge> wtf is irc chat 12:33 < DefaultO> heinrich got no power here 12:33 < DefaultO> https://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=ddnet&uio=d4 12:34 < bridge> ah 12:34 < bridge> heinrich is an odd person, have you ever seen him in a happy mood? 12:35 < DefaultO> he was visibly interested when I talked with him about Teeworlds bot in our dms 12:35 < bridge> he gets interested in things besides moderating this discord? 12:37 < bridge> Well he might be bit strict very often, which makes normal conversations hard sometimes, but he is also very intelligent and does a lot for ddnet. 12:37 < bridge> 12:37 < bridge> If I assume right, he plays the role of a ddnet discord mod after rules he set himself and is pretty consistent about them. So basically like a robot xd 12:38 < bridge> He can time out the bridge too default0 12:38 < bridge> Poor chiller dragon 12:39 < bridge> Normal conversation is easy, discussions are where we have an issue usually. People get way too heated 12:39 < DefaultO> Would he take away every method for support 12:39 < DefaultO> I already don't have any access to the reports channel anymore 12:39 < DefaultO> I think 12:40 < bridge> Just say sorry and he will unban 12:40 < bridge> Can't be so hard 12:44 < DefaultO> Meh 12:45 < DefaultO> #freeryo 12:45 < DefaultO> He is innocent 12:45 < DefaultO> But I still believe that rebuilding the indexes was the smart move 12:46 < bridge> Aren't indices kept up to date 12:46 < bridge> What would be the sense of them else 12:46 < DefaultO> I don't think so 12:46 < DefaultO> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/indexes/reorganize-and-rebuild-indexes?view=sql-server-ver16 12:46 < bridge> Would be surprising to me, but i am not biggest SQL/database lover 12:46 < bridge> They are, but they aren't guaranteed to be optimal when updated on the go 12:47 < bridge> Ah makes sense 12:47 < bridge> Some things get fragmented 12:50 < DefaultO> I just know that we run even bigger Databases 12:50 < DefaultO> And there is no way a proper table with 5M entries should be slow 12:51 < DefaultO> But I have no knowledge on Ryos case 12:51 < DefaultO> It was just mentioned by someone else 12:52 < bridge> Is still the question if indices are the problem here tho. Sounds more like the query is inefficient then 12:52 < DefaultO> could be the case if the query contains sql that checks (nearly) every entry - such as string comparisons 12:53 < bridge> I'd have assumed even without rebuilding the indices would be reasonable fast 12:54 < bridge> Rebuilding sounds like a on top optimization of u know u are reading often and writing rarely 12:54 < DefaultO> Can't scroll up in this IRC chat to quote the other one. But the wording slow query was dropped. 12:54 < DefaultO> rebuilding is not needed if you only read, rebuilding should be done nightly or when not used if you are inserting new entries to the table and update entries in general 13:00 <+bridge> Anyway, i doubt ryo uses Ms stuff. So it this isn't a useful discussion without him anyway 13:01 < DefaultO> it would only be useless if that doesn't apply to SQL databases in general 13:03 <+bridge> I cannot imagine that it is much less of a problem than it sounds from you. Ryo did vacuum and analyze do he probably is suspecting something already 13:04 <+bridge> I cannot imagine that it is as much of a problem than it sounds from you. Ryo did vacuum and analyze do he probably is suspecting something already 13:04 < DefaultO> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:06 < DefaultO> Also just checked. Rebuilding is done in other databases with the ``ANALYZE TABLE table_name;`` command 13:07 < DefaultO> Some also have the ``OPTIMIZE TABLE tbl;`` command 13:28 <+bridge> finally free 13:28 <+bridge> next time when i ask for something i will exclude this guy from it 13:28 <+bridge> since i dont enjoy convos with it 13:28 <+bridge> thats all ill say 13:29 < DefaultO> you can ignore me, but I will never be gone 13:29 < DefaultO> :ghost: 13:30 <+bridge> @Learath2 i suggest u simply make a special case for chiller on matrix, and disable irc 13:30 <+bridge> nobody uses it anyway 13:32 <+bridge> Chiller cries in pain. He hates element BCS Js bloat XD. 13:32 <+bridge> Btw chiller, did u ever try a terminal client? 13:33 <+bridge> i think he tried weechat 13:33 <+bridge> with the matrix extension i told him 13:33 <+bridge> probs didnt like it 13:33 <+bridge> I see 13:33 <+bridge> I like having a method to join the developer chat without proprietary software 13:33 <+bridge> true 13:33 <+bridge> then simply not let ban evaders abuse it 13:33 <+bridge> Is matrix proprietary? 13:33 <+bridge> not that i know 13:33 <+bridge> maybe the client 13:33 <+bridge> I was offline 13:33 <+bridge> matrix is open, irc is (more?) open 13:34 <+bridge> i know its ok, told learath bu he has no perms 13:34 <+bridge> he is +o on IRC 13:34 <+bridge> irc is the most open, but also insecure 13:34 <+bridge> Damn. thought u ra 13:34 <+bridge> maybe he forgot the credentials? 13:34 <+bridge> Damn. thought u rq 13:34 <+bridge> probably xd 13:34 <+bridge> but irc with the OTR extension is nice 13:34 <+bridge> <-StormAx> he became a fucking web-hook 13:34 <+bridge> only works for private convos tho 13:34 <+bridge> Why tho, i can fully self host it. Or BCS of other reasons? 13:34 <+bridge> @Jupeyy_Keks i think matrix can be federated 13:34 <+bridge> the problem its more complicated to setup 13:35 <+bridge> IRC is a standard, matrix aims to be a standard but a lot of it is still "whatever synapse does" 13:35 <+bridge> iu used to host a irc server 13:35 <+bridge> ircv3 13:35 <+bridge> https://github.com/inspircd/inspircd 13:35 <+bridge> i think most networks use this 13:35 <+bridge> i used it too 13:36 <+bridge> unrealircd also exists I think 13:36 <+bridge> also twitch uses it IIRC 13:36 <+bridge> ah ye 13:37 <+bridge> So the development is less open? 13:38 <+bridge> well irc is rly open in that there are lot of implementors right 13:38 <+bridge> idk how many matrix implementors are there 13:38 <+bridge> element is the dominant right 13:38 <+bridge> yes, basically 13:39 <+bridge> @heinrich5991 do u prefer mpv or vlc 13:39 <+bridge> there are a couple of alternative clients. last I checked (couple of years ago) they were far from usable with encryption 13:39 <+bridge> I see. That explains why they need two million years to implement webrtc correctly lmao 13:39 <+bridge> in the linux weeb world i heard many ppl say mpv is better than vlc 13:39 <+bridge> I use mpv, I liked that it doesn't show user interface 13:39 <+bridge> The only fast client i know is the CPP one. The web apps are all so slow when decrypting. Very avoiding 13:40 <+bridge> Annoying 13:40 <+bridge> I think it generally has less problems(for me) but also less settings, at least over ui 13:41 <+bridge> i had to use mpv to watch anime rn cuz i stopped emerge mid-qt 13:41 <+bridge> and vlc needs qt 13:41 <+bridge> its nice too yeah 13:41 <+bridge> i need to integrate it with rofi tho 13:41 <+bridge> it also plays better with syncplay 13:41 <+bridge> i.. lack a file browser 13:41 <+bridge> xD 13:42 <+bridge> I use ffplay to replay streams tho. Seems to be the only player that minimized delay for rtmp 13:42 <+bridge> does it work with twitch? 13:43 <+bridge> I dunno, my friends and I use rtmp with nginx 13:43 <+bridge> xd 13:43 <+bridge> It's nice BCS higher quality streams 13:45 <+bridge> YouTube has a rtmp backend tho 13:45 <+bridge> At least for the stream upload 13:47 <+bridge> > VLC is not recommended because it often displays wrong colours, introduces visual artifacts, and breaks intensive subtitles. Here are some comparisons showing these issues - 13:47 <+bridge> > 13:47 <+bridge> > https://slow.pics/c/XhbmrYgU (Spice and Wolf by MTBB) https://slow.pics/c/vH560pvp 13:47 <+bridge> from thewiki.moe 13:48 <+bridge> i see 13:49 <+bridge> mpv 13:49 <+bridge> a quick read 13:49 <+bridge> on windows it also links an ancient version of libass so some subtitles are broken, though I guess that's not a problem on linux 13:49 <+bridge> it says it also decodes better with nvidia on linux, which i have 13:49 <+bridge> though font caching is still weird 13:49 <+bridge> and works better with tiling 13:49 <+bridge> which i have 13:50 <+bridge> libass is a good library name 13:50 <+bridge> vlc would also upscale chroma with point for a long time, not sure if it still does that 13:56 <+bridge> $drake vlc mpv 13:56 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1100389961578061874/drake.png 13:58 <+bridge> `mpv "$(ls -1 | rofi -dmenu)"` 13:58 <+bridge> nice this works 13:59 <+bridge> i just realized im not using the full power of rofi 13:59 <+bridge> Fake ryo. Where is rust alternative 13:59 <+bridge> https://github.com/davatorium/rofi 14:00 <+bridge> idk anything as good as rofi in rust 14:01 <+bridge> `bindsym --release Print exec maim -s --format=png /dev/stdout | xclip -selection clipboard -t image/png -i` 14:01 <+bridge> this is my way to take screenshots 14:01 <+bridge> `bindsym --release $mod+o exec maim -i $(xdotool getactivewindow) --format=png /dev/stdout | xclip -selection clipboard -t image/png -i` to take a perfect screenshot of the active window 14:02 <+bridge> Mhh 14:02 <+bridge> i3 powa 14:02 <+bridge> `bindsym $mod+d exec --no-startup-id rofi -show drun` 14:02 <+bridge> and my program launcher 14:02 <+bridge> Too nerdy for my workflow 14:04 <+bridge> @Jupeyy_Keks im the fastest at opening firefox in the west 14:04 <+bridge> Xd 14:05 <+bridge> Sad only that browsers are bloated slow software 14:06 <+bridge> true 14:06 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1100392354894073856/image.png 14:06 <+bridge> bloat time 14:06 <+bridge> worst offenders, cuz they take a lot to compile and they update a lot due to security issues i think 14:07 <+bridge> thats why i always run "upgrade --exclude "firefox"" 14:07 <+bridge> upgrade is my script 14:08 <+bridge> `alias upgrade='sudo emerge -avuDN @world'` 14:09 <+bridge> https://micahflee.com/2023/04/capturing-the-flag-with-gpt-4/ 14:09 <+bridge> ctf 14:09 <+bridge> Just remove js :brownbear: 14:09 <+bridge> I tested gpt4. Indeed a lot better than chatgpt.. but much slower 14:10 <+bridge> Good progress xd 14:10 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1100393293721915443/chatgpt-sss.png 14:12 <+bridge> looks like it doesn't any more 14:14 <+bridge> @arch1t3cht do u know if u can advance to delay subs 14:14 <+bridge> in vlc i know how to 14:14 <+bridge> sometimes i need that cuz unsync subs 14:14 <+bridge> `z` and `Z` 14:14 <+bridge> oh nice 14:15 <+bridge> there's a nice hotkey cheat sheet somewhere 14:15 <+bridge> I think it was this one https://i.imgur.com/LNGJf4u.png 14:19 <+bridge> matrix is just such a complicated thing, I honestly never quite enjoyed it 14:19 <+bridge> with homeservers and stuff it just makes my brain melt 14:21 <+bridge> Make sure you configure it properly, it didn't want to use nvenc by default for me 14:21 <+bridge> well nvdec in this case but yeah 14:21 <+bridge> how to xD 14:21 <+bridge> @Jupeyy_Keks what do u think about https://www.amazon.es/Noctua-NH-U12A-chromax-Black-Disipador-Torre/dp/B098XP1Y38 14:22 <+bridge> Well first check if it works out of the box 14:23 <+bridge> it did 14:23 <+bridge> i watched a anime while eating 14:23 <+bridge> I mean if it is using your gpu out of the box 14:23 <+bridge> Why is it so expensive? 14:23 <+bridge> it said gpu 14:23 <+bridge> i mean noctua is the best brand for this 14:24 <+bridge> Mh i dunno, but very expensive for a air cooler 14:24 <+bridge> @Jupeyy_Keks which do u have 14:24 <+bridge> what temps 14:24 <+bridge> i reached 88 compiling gcc 14:24 <+bridge> xd 14:24 <+bridge> so idk anymore 14:24 <+bridge> i guess i need new cooler 14:24 <+bridge> the hyper 212 suxs 14:25 <+bridge> i read the 5800x is hard to cool cuz small die 14:25 <+bridge> or smth 14:26 <+bridge> I have dark rock pro 3 14:26 <+bridge> And V4 costs like 80€ 14:26 <+bridge> @Ryozuki if it doesn't say `nvdec` or `vdpau` on the gpu line it's not using your gpu 14:26 <+bridge> I doubt my cpu was ever over 70° 14:27 <+bridge> AO: [pulse] 44100Hz stereo 2ch float 14:27 <+bridge> VO: [gpu] 1920x1080 yuv420p 14:27 <+bridge> AV: 00:00:02 / 00:24:00 (0%) A-V: 0.000 14:27 <+bridge> Even with 16 cores. But maybe depends on fan target 14:28 <+bridge> `gpu` there is the video output driver, gpu is the modern one 14:28 <+bridge> Yeah, that's not hardware decoding 14:28 <+bridge> Try starting with --hwdec 14:29 <+bridge> hm same 14:29 <+bridge> @Learath2 do i need any flags 14:29 <+bridge> on gentoo 14:29 <+bridge> oh there is nvenc 14:30 <+bridge> Yeah you want nvenc on gentoo 14:30 <+bridge> I also have `vdpau` enabled, not all applications can use nvenc/nvdec 14:32 <+bridge> There is one big problem with firefox on linux, it can't use vdpau or nvdec, only vaapi, so videos don't get decoded on gpu and it annoys me very much 14:33 <+bridge> Sounds annoying indeed. I mostly use Firefox for exactly that^^ video Playback is awesome 14:33 <+bridge> Do you have it working on linux with hardware accelerated decoding? 14:33 <+bridge> Yes but amd 14:34 <+bridge> It has vaapi backend 14:34 <+bridge> do you like xmpp? 14:34 <+bridge> ``` 14:34 <+bridge> ❯ rg vdpau 14:34 <+bridge> make.conf 14:34 <+bridge> 21:USE="X -wayland lm-sensors contrib mount alsa pulseaudio xinerama opengl vulkan udev elogind -systemd fontconfig vorbis opus vdpau bluetooth" 14:34 <+bridge> 14:34 <+bridge> package.use/vlc 14:34 <+bridge> 214:# required by media-libs/mesa-22.1.7::gentoo[vdpau] 14:34 <+bridge> 218:x11-libs/libvdpau abi_x86_32 dri 14:34 <+bridge> ``` 14:34 <+bridge> i have this 14:34 <+bridge> no vaapi in sight xd 14:34 <+bridge> Ok you have vdpau, nvidia doesn't support vaapi anyway 14:35 <+bridge> There used to be a weird stub driver that redirected vaapi requests to vdpau but it was a buggy mess so every distro removed it 14:35 <+bridge> > Core mpv functionality can be extended with Lua or JavaScript scripts or C plugins. 14:35 <+bridge> lol js but no rust 14:35 <+bridge> Not particularly. I don't mind the wire protocol, but the homeserver thing is a little weird still, atleast in my mind 14:36 <+bridge> hmm, that's kinda what makes email good though 14:36 <+bridge> i need to remember why i have qt deps in gentoo 14:36 <+bridge> I like a little federation 14:36 <+bridge> i wonder what uses it 14:36 <+bridge> vlc? 14:36 <+bridge> oh true 14:36 <+bridge> vlc does 14:36 <+bridge> I only use it BCS home server actually xdd 14:39 <+bridge> if you have `equery` you can do `equery d ` to find out what depends on it 14:41 <+bridge> oh 14:41 <+bridge> equery poggers 14:42 <+bridge> `equery d dev-qt/qtcore` 😛 14:42 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1100401419565146152/image.png 14:42 <+bridge> Those ones with the pink qt5 thing mean it's only dependent if the qt5 useflag is enabled 14:42 <+bridge> ok i added nvenc and vdpau 14:43 <+bridge> also libcaca 14:43 <+bridge> funny name 14:43 <+bridge> caca = shit in spanish 14:43 <+bridge> Now when you do `--hwdec` in mpv what happens? 14:43 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1100401672573948004/image.png 14:43 <+bridge> For me it was still only decoding on gpu but then copying back to the cpu 14:44 <+bridge> Using hardware decoding (nvdec). 14:44 <+bridge> AO: [pulse] 44100Hz stereo 2ch float 14:44 <+bridge> VO: [gpu] 1920x1080 cuda[nv12] 14:44 <+bridge> AV: 00:01:54 / 00:49:25 (4%) A-V: 0.000 14:44 <+bridge> Okay, seems it's not copying back for you 14:44 <+bridge> how to make it default 14:45 <+bridge> mpv.conf 14:45 <+bridge> ye but what option xD 14:46 <+bridge> `hwdec=auto` 14:46 <+bridge> you can copy the example config from `/usr/share/doc/mpv...` 14:46 <+bridge> you can usually just copy the options you set on the cli one to one 14:47 <+bridge> so just `hwdec`? 14:48 <+bridge> auto worked 14:48 <+bridge> does mpv display it always at max quality or whathever 14:48 <+bridge> or do i need to config it too 14:49 <+bridge> wdym max quality 14:49 <+bridge> profile=gpu-hq 14:49 <+bridge> You can do `profile=gpu-hq` it'll set the scaler and a couple other things 14:49 <+bridge> if you use profile=gpu-hq then disable deband 14:49 <+bridge> deband just makes existing banding worse more often than not 14:50 <+bridge> ok looking good 14:50 <+bridge> some more advanced config guides (custom upscalers and whatnot) here: 14:50 <+bridge> 14:50 <+bridge> 14:50 <+bridge> 14:50 <+bridge> i have a nerdy anime setup now too 14:52 <+bridge> You can also mess around with the scaler afterwards, I think I heard `ewa_lanczossharp` is better if you have a beastgpu 14:52 <+bridge> It's actually quite impressive how configurable mpv is, they support so many things, you can change like everything 14:53 <+bridge> the only missing thing is someday to leave pulseaudio and use pipewire 14:53 <+bridge> I did it on both my machines, it's actually trivial to switch 14:53 <+bridge> took me 20 mins max 14:53 <+bridge> ohh 14:53 <+bridge> ill do it after the work metting i have in 10 mins xd 14:53 <+bridge> meeting* 14:54 <+bridge> and mpv is a native pipewire client, so it doesn't rely on the pulseaudio plugin and you get nice nodes in the graph 😄 14:54 <+bridge> nice 14:54 <+bridge> I was listening to a lecture with bad audio, ran it through an AI denoiser node and an EQ to cut out a buzz 14:54 <+bridge> are we a native pipewire client 14:54 <+bridge> ddnet 14:55 <+bridge> doubt it, we use SDL and I don't think they do native pipewire yet 14:56 <+bridge> boo 14:56 <+bridge> https://www.phoronix.com/news/SDL2-Lands-PipeWire-Audio nvm they did 14:59 <+bridge> what is native pipewire? 14:59 <+bridge> I thought pipewire only offered jack/pulseaudo APIs? 15:00 <+bridge> pipewire offered a pulseaudio and jack api through plugins 15:00 <+bridge> it has an api of it's own that is pretty easy to translate to, which is what the plugins do iirc 15:05 <+bridge> And in the end it is all alsa? Xd 15:05 <+bridge> alsa is both the name of the kernel API and the name of a library 15:05 <+bridge> it's all alsa the kernel API, but not alsa the library 15:05 <+bridge> AFAIK 15:05 <+bridge> Ok 15:06 <+bridge> hm, I don't remember if pulseaudio and pipewire rely on libalsa 15:06 <+bridge> I thought that no 15:07 <+bridge> pulseaudio depends on alsa-lib on archlinux 15:07 <+bridge> pipewire doesn't 15:07 <+bridge> I just want obs to finally support audio per application. Shouldn't it be easy to implement with pipewire 15:07 <+bridge> And webrtc too 15:08 <+bridge> should also be doable with pulseaudio 15:08 <+bridge> I remember doign that 15:09 <+bridge> Mh k. Will later look 15:09 <+bridge> hm, in gentoo both pipewire and pulseaudio depend on alsa-lib 15:09 <+bridge> even with the alsa plugin disabled 15:10 <+bridge> should be pretty trivial if obs is a native pipewire client, it just needs to create a sink and get the stream from the application 15:11 <+bridge> Yeah probably it already works. Maybe more hidden. On windows u have window audio source and select window 15:14 <+bridge> You can probably already just wire it by hand in qpwgraph or using the pw-cli 15:15 <+bridge> Yep 15:15 <+bridge> I have a dummy source for that rn 15:15 <+bridge> But easier in obs directly 15:34 <+bridge> this so much 15:34 <+bridge> imagine being able to watch hentai while streaming 15:34 <+bridge> (joke xd) 15:34 <+bridge> on windows u need a shady program for split desktop adudio 15:35 <+bridge> i need to learn this stuff 15:35 <+bridge> @Learath2 do u have a tldr on migrating 15:35 <+bridge> my meeting is over so i can mess with my audio now 15:36 <+bridge> https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2022-07-29-pipewire-sound-server.html 15:36 <+bridge> found this 15:36 <+bridge> Best part is that you really dont need to learn anything if you dont want to, the out of the box experience is the same as pulseaudio 15:37 <+bridge> I used this and the pipewire page on the gentoo wiki 15:40 <+bridge> One problem I had was that audio was low out of the box, but I just had to set the ALSA volume to 100% 15:40 <+bridge> pavucontrol will work? 15:40 <+bridge> its a nice tool xd 15:41 <+bridge> or whats the pipewire alt 15:41 <+bridge> pavucontrol does still work 15:41 <+bridge> pulseaudio plugin is very very complete 15:41 <+bridge> nice 15:41 <+bridge> does firefox has native pipewire 15:42 <+bridge> ``` 15:42 <+bridge> ❯ rg pulseaudio 15:42 <+bridge> make.conf 15:42 <+bridge> 21:USE="X -wayland lm-sensors contrib mount alsa pulseaudio xinerama opengl vulkan udev elogind -systemd fontconfig vorbis opus vdpau bluetooth" 15:42 <+bridge> 15:42 <+bridge> package.use/00cpu-flags 15:42 <+bridge> 2:# required by media-sound/pulseaudio-daemon-16.1::gentoo[alsa,alsa-plugin] 15:42 <+bridge> 4:# required by media-sound/pulseaudio-16.1::gentoo 15:42 <+bridge> 5:# required by www-client/firefox-bin-105.0.3::gentoo[pulseaudio] 15:42 <+bridge> 7:>=media-plugins/alsa-plugins-1.2.7.1 pulseaudio 15:42 <+bridge> ``` 15:43 <+bridge> III think they still go through the pulseaudio plugin 15:44 <+bridge> firefox is extremely slow when adopting stuff like this 15:44 <+bridge> They still haven't started using vdpau because they were fighting about whether they should wait for vulkan video or not for half a decade 15:45 <+bridge> xd 15:45 <+bridge> ah there is also something thats been bugging me but unrelated 15:46 <+bridge> i dont like login display managers 15:46 <+bridge> but i didnt know how to get the bus or udev right 15:46 <+bridge> i have xdm without anything 15:46 <+bridge> so when i login in the tty it works but it always says a warning xd 15:46 <+bridge> i wonder how to get the logs 15:46 <+bridge> i have XDM 15:46 <+bridge> but wanna get rid of it 15:47 <+bridge> startx logs 15:49 <+bridge> idk what you mean, I never used a dm so it certainly is possible 15:49 <+bridge> tldr when setting up gentoo i guess i messed up a bit my config 15:49 <+bridge> Are you having an issue starting a dbus session? 15:49 <+bridge> and idk if im using xdm or not, i login through the tty tho xd 15:49 <+bridge>