00:07 < bridge> <0108ben> I’m not sure where to ask this, but considering this channel is called developer I’ll post it here.
00:07 < bridge> <0108ben> 
00:07 < bridge> <0108ben> For the creators of teeworlds, what gave you the idea of this game and if you could change anything about it now what would it be?
00:38 < bridge> <heinrich5991> generally, I think it's worth to keep issues open that happen to users, even if they're not caused directly by us
00:39 < bridge> <heinrich5991> if we decide that they're not reproducible enough, I'd close them though 🙂
03:54 < bridge> <Voxel> wtf
03:54 < bridge> <Voxel> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1085395447327227964/image.png
03:54 < bridge> <Voxel> what's the point of this
03:55 < bridge> <Voxel> @matricks was this meant to be touched up on in the future
03:55 < bridge> <Voxel> (context in image)
03:55 < bridge> <Voxel> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1085395714227589201/image.png
05:02 < bridge> <Ewan> it's an interface
05:02 < bridge> <Ewan> you inherit from it
05:02 < bridge> <Ewan> is the definition virtual?
05:36 < bridge> <Voxel> Devlog #2 for my Killfeed editing
05:36 < bridge> <Voxel> I made `CTeeRenderInfo m_VictimRenderInfo` a buffer of 4 items, and am now trying to make the client capable of rendering 4 victims at a time, if there are 4+ in a team.
05:36 < bridge> <Voxel> I'm at the part where everything needs to be validated, but this won't compile. What am I doing wrong?
05:36 < bridge> <Voxel> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1085421152782004294/image.png
05:36 < bridge> <Voxel> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1085421363726139452/image.png
05:43 < bridge> <Ewan> i guess we will never know if the definition is virtual
05:44 < bridge> <Voxel> whar
06:58 < bridge> <chillerdragon> The ctf.cpp controller returns non zero indicating a flag was involved in the kill
07:00 < bridge> <chillerdragon> You are wondering if mode special is always zero right? It’s not in ctfhttps://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/blob/26d24ec061d44e6084b2d77a9b8a0a48e354eba6/src/game/server/gamemodes/ctf.cpp#L40-L64
07:00 < bridge> <chillerdragon> (@Voxel)
07:02 < bridge> <Voxel> No, I was confused by what Ewan meant by `i guess we will never know if the definition is virtual`
07:02 < bridge> <Voxel> oh i didnt read
07:03 < bridge> <Voxel> i literally have no idea i just saw some random code with a bunch of inputs and it just returns zero
07:05 < bridge> <chillerdragon> it is virtual so there are multiple implementations for every gamemode and in ctf it’s not just returning zero there
07:06 < bridge> <chillerdragon> But ddnet broke controllers there you are stuck with the ddrace controller hehe
07:33 < bridge> <Ewan> ```cpp
07:33 < bridge> <Ewan> class ISomething : IObject {
07:33 < bridge> <Ewan>   virtual int doSomething(int input) { return 0; }
07:33 < bridge> <Ewan> };
07:33 < bridge> <Ewan> 
07:33 < bridge> <Ewan> class CSomething : ISomething {
07:33 < bridge> <Ewan>   int doSomething(int input) override {
07:33 < bridge> <Ewan>   // stuff happens here
07:33 < bridge> <Ewan>   }
07:33 < bridge> <Ewan> }
07:33 < bridge> <Ewan> ```
07:34 < bridge> <Ewan> ```cpp
07:34 < bridge> <Ewan> class ISomething : IObject {
07:34 < bridge> <Ewan>   virtual int doSomething(int input) { return 0; }
07:34 < bridge> <Ewan> };
07:34 < bridge> <Ewan> 
07:34 < bridge> <Ewan> class CSomething : ISomething {
07:34 < bridge> <Ewan>   int doSomething(int input) override {
07:34 < bridge> <Ewan>   // stuff happens here
07:34 < bridge> <Ewan>   }
07:34 < bridge> <Ewan> };
07:34 < bridge> <Ewan> ```
07:35 < bridge> <Ewan> interfaces are usually comprised solely of pure virtual members (e.g. `doSomething() = 0` instead of doSomething() { return 0; }`) but it sounds like something happened to make this not the case in ddnet's development history, based on what chillerdragon said
07:35 < bridge> <Ewan> interfaces are usually comprised solely of pure virtual members (e.g. `doSomething() = 0` instead of `doSomething() { return 0; }`) but it sounds like something happened to make this not the case in ddnet's development history, based on what chillerdragon said
07:35 < bridge> <Ewan> interfaces are usually comprised solely of pure virtual methods (e.g. `doSomething() = 0` instead of `doSomething() { return 0; }`) but it sounds like something happened to make this not the case in ddnet's development history, based on what chillerdragon said
07:38 < bridge> <Ewan> oh another explanation which makes more sense after re-reading chillerdragon’s msgs is that the original method from the interface is pure virtual so the CTF implementation returns 0 so that it doesn’t fail to compile with undefined reference errors
07:41 < bridge> <Ewan> looked back at the screenshot and no 😵‍💫
07:41 < bridge> <Ewan> really just no pure virtual in the interface
07:56 < bridge> <deen> Every issue should have the possibility to have a PR that can close it. If it's a dependency we use that broke something, can be fixed by updating dependency. Reproducibility shouldn't matter. For those graphics problems, there is a chance we could work around the issues instead of waiting for GPU manufacturers to fix their drivers
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12:41 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Portage_TMPDIR_on_tmpfs
12:41 < bridge> <Ryozuki> @Learath2 i forgor to put porta and /tmp on tmpf xd
12:41 < bridge> <Ryozuki> i have 32gb of ram and was wasting write cycles on my ssd
12:41 < bridge> <Ryozuki> im dumb
12:41 < bridge> <Ryozuki> @Learath2 i forgor to put portage and /tmp on tmpfs xd
12:42 < bridge> <Ryozuki> also tmpfs should make compilation faster maybe :o
13:01 < bridge> <Anime.pdf> Bro gotta learn some oop principles
13:15 < bridge> <Voxel> :oop:
13:23 < bridge> <Ryozuki> i also forgot to setup weekly trims on my ssd
13:23 < bridge> <Ryozuki> i ran it and it trimmed 275gb lol
13:23 < bridge> <Ryozuki> fstrim
14:41 < bridge> <heinrich5991> `m_VictimRenderInfo` is probably an array or a pointer? e.g. if it's an array, you need to index it first, like `m_VictimRenderInfo[1].m_CustomColoredSkin`
14:41 < bridge> <heinrich5991> also, please post code as code ^^
14:42 < bridge> <heinrich5991> you can use three backticks ``` to make it format like code
14:43 < bridge> <heinrich5991> ```c++
14:43 < bridge> <heinrich5991> ```c++
14:43 < bridge> <heinrich5991> int main() {
14:43 < bridge> <heinrich5991>     return 0;
14:43 < bridge> <heinrich5991> }
14:43 < bridge> <heinrich5991> ```
14:47 < bridge> <fokkonaut> nice program
14:47 < bridge> <fokkonaut> c++```
14:47 < bridge> <fokkonaut> ```
14:48 < bridge> <fokkonaut> c++
14:48 < bridge> <fokkonaut> ```
14:48 < bridge> <fokkonaut> int main() {
14:48 < bridge> <fokkonaut>   return 0;
14:48 < bridge> <fokkonaut> }
14:48 < bridge> <fokkonaut> ```
14:48 < bridge> <fokkonaut> ```c++
14:48 < bridge> <fokkonaut> int main() {
14:48 < bridge> <fokkonaut>   return 0;
14:48 < bridge> <fokkonaut> }
14:48 < bridge> <fokkonaut> ```
16:08 < bridge> <Ewan> great
18:27 < bridge> <Learath2> Eh atleast newer ssds are very good at wear leveling
19:05 < bridge> <Voxel> @Ravie
19:07 < bridge> <Ravie> looks ugly when they overlap tbh, also is it something useful enough to warrant being added to the already cluttered as heck editor?
19:27 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/03/ftc-finalizes-order-requiring-fortnite-maker-epic-games-pay-245-million-tricking-users-making
19:27 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > FTC Finalizes Order Requiring Fortnite maker Epic Games to Pay $245 Million for Tricking Users into Making Unwanted Charges
19:27 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > The Federal Trade Commission has finalized an order requiring Epic Games, the maker of the Fortnite video game, to pay $245 million to consumers to settle charges that the company used dark patterns to trick players into making unwanted purchases and let children rack up unauthorized charges without any parental involvement.
19:27 < bridge> <Ryozuki> lil
19:27 < bridge> <Ryozuki> lul
19:27 < bridge> <Ewan> awesome
19:27 < bridge> <Ewan> epic, rather
19:37 < bridge> <DESERTOFTHIS> guys I waited for my unban, went without a cheat client. and I was banned again, and a day later I was banned, I thought that they were banned because I was banned by mistake the first time, and now I was banned again lol
19:37 < bridge> <DESERTOFTHIS> can someone help me
19:37 < bridge> <DESERTOFTHIS> ?н
19:37 < bridge> <DESERTOFTHIS> ?
19:39 < bridge> <louis> i like it
20:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://www.hetzner.com/press-release/neue-dedicated-server-2023/
20:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki> :O
20:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > HETZNER LAUNCHES THREE NEW DEDICATED SERVERS FOR ALMOST ANY USE CASE
20:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki> xd
20:21 < bridge> <Ewan> i9-13900s?
20:21 < bridge> <Ewan> why desktop CPUs
20:22 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> chrome v111 completely buggy xd
20:22 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> discord not working other stuff not working
20:23 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> paying whom tho?
20:23 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> (@Ryozuki)
20:23 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> probs not the affected users
20:24 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> actually in USA maybe they do
20:24 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> but in europe they never
20:25 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> nice discord working again
20:25 < bridge> <Ryozuki> its more and more common
20:25 < bridge> <Ryozuki> the new cpus are just that good xd
20:26 < bridge> <Ewan> new server CPUs are also crazy though
20:26 < bridge> <Ryozuki> and also crazy priceier
20:26 < bridge> <Ewan> yeah
20:26 < bridge> <Ryozuki> the server with that cpu is  € 84 month
20:26 < bridge> <Ryozuki> and has ddr5 too
20:26 < bridge> <Ewan> lol
20:27 < bridge> <Ryozuki> and i mean
20:27 < bridge> <Ryozuki> the cpu has 24 cores
20:27 < bridge> <Ryozuki> xd
20:27 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > Last but certainly not least is the new AX52 Dedicated Server; it provides remarkable performance with its AMD Ryzen™ 7 7700 processor, which is based on Zen4 architecture. It’s well-suited for a wide range of multi-threading intense workloads thanks to its 8 cores and 16 threads. The AX52 houses 64 GB of DDR5 RAM and includes 2 fast 1 TB Gen4 NVMe SSDs, all for just € 59 a month plus a one-time setup fee of just € 39, making the AX52 a p
20:27 < bridge> <Ryozuki> amd best tho
20:33 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> who broke client
20:33 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> when i close it it takes 15 seconds for steam to notice
20:34 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> sus
20:38 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i think its because the master servers are very slow rn
20:38 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> and probs the http timeout isnt cancelled?
20:55 < bridge> <Learath2> It's hetzners bread and butter, they have been repurposing desktop hardware for almost a decade now 😄
20:56 < bridge> <DefaultO> it's cheaper for them
20:56 < bridge> <DefaultO> and it helps the world
20:56 < bridge> <DefaultO> and it helps the world by recycling unused old hardware
20:59 < bridge> <Learath2> And cheaper for the customers too if the performance is adequate. Win win win
21:06 < bridge> <Chairn> trims on SSD? like collect partially used blocks and compact them?
21:07 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/SSD#Periodic_fstrim_jobs
21:07 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > There are multiple ways how to setup a periodic block discarding process. As of 2018, the default recommended frequency is once a week
21:10 < bridge> <Chairn> that doesn't say why trim is needed
21:10 < bridge> <Chairn> that doesn't say why triming is needed
21:10 < bridge> <Chairn> it doesn't even say what it does
21:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki> ```
21:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki> GPT-4 is the newest version of OpenAI’s flagship language model. It is:
21:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     significantly better at existing GPT-3 tasks (huge improvements across both standard NLP benchmarks1
21:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     & human exams like the SAT/GRE2
21:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     , and better instruction following and world knowledge)
21:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     capable of new tasks3
21:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     (enough math to do your taxes and beat Minerva!)
21:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     able to use 8x more context than ChatGPT (50 pages, 25k words of context means unlocks better AI-enabled coding4
21:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     by simply pasting docs, or better chat by pasting entire Wikipedia articles, or even comparing two articles)
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     safer to use (20-30% fewer hallucinations and unsafe content5
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     ) 
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki> 
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki> That alone would qualify it as a huge release, but GPT-4 is also OpenAI’s first multimodal model, being able to natively understand image input as well as text. This is orders of magnitude better than existing OCR and Image-to-Text (e.g. BLIP) solutions and has to be seen to be fully understood, but the capabilities that you must know include:
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki> 
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     Converting a sketch of a website into code (screenshot, demo timestamp)
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     Fully describing a screenshot of a Discord app (demo timestamp)6
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     Summarizing images of a paper and answering questions about figures (screenshot)
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     Recognizing photos (fridge, kitchen), offering meal ideas (NYT article)
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     Explaining why an image is funny (ironing clothes, chicken nuggets, memes)
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki> ```
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki> @Jupeyy_Keks this is a summary of gpt4 improvements over 3
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki> :o
21:21 < bridge> <Ryozuki> the image thing is insane
21:21 < bridge> <DefaultO> its learnset has also be increased by like 100 million times
21:22 < bridge> <Ryozuki> a image of a web can be turned into html code
21:22 < bridge> <DefaultO> and it was already huge
21:22 < bridge> <Ryozuki> XD
21:22 < bridge> <DefaultO> those are high hopes
21:22 < bridge> <DefaultO> i doubt it can
21:22 < bridge> <Ryozuki> read  the text i posted
21:22 < bridge> <Ryozuki> it says it there
21:22 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > Converting a sketch of a website into code (screenshot, demo timestamp)
21:22 < bridge> <Ryozuki> >     Fully describing a screenshot of a Discord app (demo timestamp)6
21:22 < bridge> <Ryozuki> >     Summarizing images of a paper and answering questions about figures (screenshot)
21:22 < bridge> <Ryozuki> >     Recognizing photos (fridge, kitchen), offering meal ideas (NYT article)
21:23 < bridge> <Ryozuki> >     Explaining why an image is funny (ironing clothes, chicken nuggets, memes)
21:23 < bridge> <DefaultO> it does
21:23 < bridge> <ReiTW> lmao send a picture of a dog & see what it does
21:23 < bridge> <DefaultO> but I doubt it
21:23 < bridge> <Ryozuki> i dont doubt it
21:23 < bridge> <DefaultO> i used it for web code
21:23 < bridge> <DefaultO> and it did terrible
21:23 < bridge> <ReiTW> u used gpt-3
21:23 < bridge> <DefaultO> because it had no fricking clue what it does
21:23 < bridge> <Ryozuki> this is gpt4 bro
21:23 < bridge> <DefaultO> I know
21:23 < bridge> <DefaultO> people got access to it
21:23 < bridge> <ReiTW> only subscribers
21:23 < bridge> <ReiTW> with the + plan (forgot the name)
21:24 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://twitter.com/ykilcher/status/1635702708006006786?s=20
21:24 < bridge> <Ryozuki> XD
21:24 < bridge> <Ryozuki> ye sad
21:51 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> when can i finally stop coding
22:01 < bridge> <Ohio’s El Yek Final Boss> @Jupeyy_Keks Arch-Gnome
22:01 < bridge> <Ohio’s El Yek Final Boss> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1085669012203118623/Captura_desde_2023-03-15_20-57-04.png
22:01 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> nice
22:01 < bridge> <Ohio’s El Yek Final Boss> :poggers2:
22:01 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 12k average?
22:01 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> then gg 😄
22:01 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> whats ur CPU? 😄
22:02 < bridge> <Ryozuki> weak
22:02 < bridge> <Ryozuki> i got 14k
22:02 < bridge> <Ryozuki> gentoo
22:02 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> gg wp
22:02 < bridge> <Ryozuki> i need to test more
22:02 < bridge> <Ohio’s El Yek Final Boss> It's almost always 12k but drops to 9k sometimes
22:02 < bridge> <Ryozuki> but i got 14k on a ddnet map
22:02 < bridge> <Ryozuki> not dm1
22:02 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> only time i get over 12k is using wayland and self compiled mesa drivers
22:02 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> else no chance for my CPU D:
22:02 < bridge> <Ohio’s El Yek Final Boss> I still had the browser and other programs open
22:02 < bridge> <Ryozuki> i have self compiler kernel with native  march
22:03 < bridge> <Ryozuki> well everything is self compiled
22:03 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i think i'll buy a ryzen x3d when they bit cheaper
22:03 < bridge> <Ryozuki> there kernel literally has a option to enable zen3 opts
22:03 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> then maybe i also try gentoo
22:05 < bridge> <Ohio’s El Yek Final Boss> I3-10100f.
22:05 < bridge> <Ohio’s El Yek Final Boss> I3-10100f :ninja:
22:06 < bridge> <Ohio’s El Yek Final Boss> x2
22:06 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> oh interesting seems to be slower than mine in single threaded... then its ideed very impressive result 😄
22:13 < bridge> <Ryozuki> @Jupeyy_Keks i gave u the role cuz ur gfx page is pog
22:13 < bridge> <Ryozuki> probs the most linked page here xd
22:16 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> lol nice logo
22:16 < bridge> <Ryozuki> :wiki:
22:16 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> yeah next to ma name, epic