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02:19 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> Me: trying to learn opengl
02:19 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> My brain: But it's 3:20 AM
02:19 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> Also my brain: write this in #developer
07:46 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> What's your project
08:38 < bridge> <Mʎɹ シ> https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1056179838391701564.png?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless
08:41 < bridge> <murpi> That's quite the bootylicious thumbnail. My eyes refuse to render the legs of that bug in your link preview
08:41 < bridge> <Ryozuki> i gotta look bootylicious  up lol
08:41 < bridge> <murpi> am I a pervert?
08:41 < bridge> <Ryozuki> oh i see
08:41 < bridge> <Ryozuki> lel
08:41 < bridge> <Ryozuki> i guess its hard to see the legs at first? id kxd
08:43 < bridge> <murpi> Yep, after taking a few steps away from the monitor I can't unsee it
08:43 < bridge> <murpi> im a certified pervert
09:47 <+ChillerDragon> xd
10:12 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> can I create a sql query to select data to have only 1 row which will contain ones if there're those
10:12 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> 
10:12 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> can_delete_happenings - 1
10:13 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> can_edit_posts - 1
10:13 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> can_ban - 0
10:13 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> can_create_roles - 1
10:13 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1073169627070337114/image.png
10:31 < bridge> <DefaultO> Is dragger_beam the class that contains the logic for the shotgun? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/server/entities/dragger_beam.cpp
10:32 < bridge> <DefaultO> Is dragger_beam the class that contains the logic for the shotgun? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/server/entities/dragger_beam.cpp
10:32 < bridge> <DefaultO> Edit: Ah no. Those are the turrets.
10:37 < bridge> <DefaultO> Is dragger_beam the class that contains the logic for the shotgun? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/server/entities/dragger_beam.cpp
10:37 < bridge> <DefaultO> Edit: Ah no. Those are the turrets. The reasoning behind me wanting to look at the code is to explain Shotgunfly for the wiki. I assume it accelerates the tees' velocity. And if it doesn't have any, it pulls it to the direction the beam came from.
10:39 < bridge> <DefaultO> Is dragger_beam the class that contains the logic for the shotgun? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/server/entities/dragger_beam.cpp
10:39 < bridge> <DefaultO> Edit: Ah no. Those are the turrets. The reasoning behind me wanting to look at the code is to explain Shotgunfly for the wiki. I assume it accelerates the tees' velocity. And if it doesn't have any, it pulls it to the direction the beam came from. Meaning the dummy bumping into the dragger and a well-timed shotgun shot from the dragger to the roof allows you to stay in the air.
10:39 < bridge> <DefaultO> Is dragger_beam the class that contains the logic for the shotgun? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/server/entities/dragger_beam.cpp
10:39 < bridge> <DefaultO> Edit: Ah no. Those are the turrets. The reasoning behind me wanting to look at the code is to explain Shotgunfly for the wiki. I assume it accelerates the tees' velocity. And if it doesn't have any, it pulls it to the direction the beam came from. Meaning the dummy bumping into the dragger and a well-timed shotgun shot from the dragger to the roof (so it hits the dragger) allows you to stay in the air.
10:39 < bridge> <DefaultO> Is dragger_beam the class that contains the logic for the shotgun? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/server/entities/dragger_beam.cpp
10:39 < bridge> <DefaultO> Edit: Ah no. Those are the turrets. The reasoning behind me wanting to look at the code is to explain Shotgunfly for the wiki. I assume it accelerates the tees' velocity. And if it doesn't have any, it pulls it to the direction the beam came from. Meaning the dummy bumping into the dragger and a well-timed shotgun shot from the dragger to the roof (so it hits the dragger) allows the dragger to stay in the air.
10:40 < bridge> <DefaultO> Is dragger_beam the class that contains the logic for the shotgun? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/server/entities/dragger_beam.cpp
10:40 < bridge> <DefaultO> Edit: Ah no. Those are the turrets. The reasoning behind me wanting to look at the code is to explain Shotgunfly for the wiki. I assume the shotgun accelerates the tees' velocity. And if it doesn't have any, it pulls it to the direction the beam came from. Meaning the dummy bumping into the dragger and a well-timed shotgun shot from the dragger to the roof (so it hits the dragger) allows the dragger to stay in the air.
10:41 < bridge> <DefaultO> Is dragger_beam the class that contains the logic for the shotgun? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/server/entities/dragger_beam.cpp
10:41 < bridge> <DefaultO> Edit: Ah no. Those are the turrets. The reasoning behind me wanting to look at the code is to explain Shotgunfly for the wiki. I assume the shotgun accelerates the tees' velocity. And if it doesn't have any, it pulls it to the direction the beam came from. Meaning the dummy bumping into the dragger and a well-timed shotgun shot from the dragger to the roof (so it hits the dragger right after the bump from the dummy) allows the dragger to stay in t
10:42 < bridge> <Patiga> the edits make it hard to read, maybe just send more messages :)
10:42 < bridge> <DefaultO> maybe don't use better discord :)
10:42 < bridge> <DefaultO> jk
10:42 < bridge> <Patiga> I use the normal discord client
10:42 < bridge> <DefaultO> yea but how would the edits make it unreadable
10:42 < bridge> <DefaultO> i thought you used the bd plugin that shows you all edits made
10:42 < bridge> <Patiga> the way that the sg interacts with the tee is explained on the shotgun page, maybe you can have a look
10:43 < bridge> <DefaultO> which indeed decreases readability
10:43 < bridge> <DefaultO> i thought you used the bd plugin that shows you all edits made (history)
10:43 < bridge> <Patiga> nah its just that it gets reformatted and I have to seach for any changes in the text I already read
10:43 < bridge> <DefaultO> yea I just appended to the end
10:44 < bridge> <DefaultO> so if you continue to read where you stopped, it continues normally
10:44 < bridge> <DefaultO> guess that is hard if the horizontal word position changes as well (which it shouldn't do?)
10:45 < bridge> <DefaultO> but that is a good suggestion
10:46 < bridge> <Patiga> ah it isn't described in as much detail as I thought, the last paragraph here is important https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Shotgun#Advanced_Behaviour
10:46 < bridge> <DefaultO> yea but isn't it the same
10:47 < bridge> <DefaultO> pulling you to the direction it came from -> getting you to its origin/reflection points
10:47 < bridge> <DefaultO> pulling you to the direction it came from -> getting you to its origin/reflection point
10:48 < bridge> <Patiga> there is a slight difference, which gets more important the close you are to the origin
10:49 < bridge> <DefaultO> strength?
10:49 < bridge> <DefaultO> just a factor
10:49 < bridge> <DefaultO> doesn't change the definition
10:49 < bridge> <Patiga> that is the reason why you can gain speed while walking by shooting the sg to the bottom-right
10:49 < bridge> <DefaultO> ah that
10:50 < bridge> <Patiga> the amount of speed that the sg gives you is constant, buf it the pull-direction points into a wall some of that momentum is lost of course
10:51 < bridge> <DefaultO> would be easier to just read the code
10:51 < bridge> <DefaultO> but that stuff is coded nested af
10:52 < bridge> <Patiga> not sure how much it effects sg fly, it might make you slow done less depending on how you aim
10:52 < bridge> <DefaultO> https://youtu.be/oLr6rbyNC2A?t=168
10:52 < bridge> <DefaultO> i mean you can watch it in slowmotion
10:52 < bridge> <DefaultO> timestamp is set
10:52 < bridge> <Patiga> what do you want to figure out in the code?
10:52 < bridge> <DefaultO> calculation of the pull
10:53 < bridge> <DefaultO> then I could put that into the sg page as well technically
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10:53 < bridge> <DefaultO> but it is more important for the understanding
10:53 < bridge> <DefaultO> but it is more important for the understanding (for myself)
10:54 < bridge> <Patiga> ah, I thought that the direction would be enough
10:54 < bridge> <Patiga> the strength would also fit into the sg article, that would be nice :)
10:54 < bridge> <DefaultO> nah key factor here is that the dummy bumps you
10:54 < bridge> <DefaultO> otherwise you can't stay with the shotgun in the air by yourself
10:55 < bridge> <DefaultO> nah key factor here is that the dummy bumps you (and the shotgun accelerates your velocity created by that bump)
10:55 < bridge> <DefaultO> nah key factor here is that the dummy bumps you (and the shotgun accelerates your velocity created by that bump, i want to know the formula for that acceleration)
10:55 < bridge> <Patiga> calculating how much speed the bump gives you will be hard to calculate
10:55 < bridge> <DefaultO> that's not the goal
10:56 < bridge> <DefaultO> you couldn't calculate it because it won't be constant
10:56 < bridge> <DefaultO> you couldn't calculate it because it won't be constant
10:56 < bridge> <DefaultO> but I could at least then explain why it works
10:56 < bridge> <DefaultO> you couldn't calculate it because it won't be constant
10:56 < bridge> <DefaultO> but I could at least then explain why it works based on facts
10:57 < bridge> <Patiga> sounds nice, good luck :)
10:58 < bridge> <DefaultO> "good luck". I expected the dev here to help! xd
10:58 < bridge> <DefaultO> i don't know where to find the code for that
10:58 < bridge> <Patiga> well hard to help if you don't give questions, you seemed satisfied ^^
10:58 < bridge> <DefaultO> based on the code I found it creates a negative explosion, questionmark
10:58 < bridge> <DefaultO> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1073181171963396096/image.png
11:00 < bridge> <DefaultO> what's the formula the game or server uses to change the position of the tee shot by a shotgun beam
11:02 < bridge> <DefaultO> based on the code I found it creates a negative explosion, questionmark. ah nevermind that is an OR:
11:02 < bridge> <DefaultO> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1073181171963396096/image.png
11:02 < bridge> <DefaultO> based on the code I found it creates a negative explosion, questionmark. ah nevermind that is an OR. still grenade. still don't know where shotgun logic happens.
11:02 < bridge> <DefaultO> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1073181171963396096/image.png
11:03 < bridge> <DefaultO> got it. prediction. entities. laser.cpp.
11:04 < bridge> <Patiga> ah, then you were faster than me, I also haven't seen or touched that part of the code yet
11:07 < bridge> <DefaultO> yea see. it is pure acceleration.
11:07 < bridge> <DefaultO> ```cpp
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO> if(!g_Config.m_SvOldLaser)
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO> {
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     if(m_PrevPos != HitPos)
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     {
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>         Temp = pHit->Core()->m_Vel + normalize(m_PrevPos - HitPos) * Strength;
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     pHit->Core()->m_Vel = ClampVel(pHit->m_MoveRestrictions, Temp);
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     }
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     else
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     {
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>         pHit->Core()->m_Vel = StackedLaserShotgunBugSpeed;
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     }
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO> }
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO> ```
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO> yea see. it is pure acceleration.
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO> ```cpp
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO> if(!g_Config.m_SvOldLaser)
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO> {
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     if(m_PrevPos != HitPos)
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     {
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>         Temp = pHit->Core()->m_Vel + normalize(m_PrevPos - HitPos) * Strength;
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>         pHit->Core()->m_Vel = ClampVel(pHit->m_MoveRestrictions, Temp);
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     }
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     else
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     {
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>         pHit->Core()->m_Vel = StackedLaserShotgunBugSpeed;
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO>     }
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO> }
11:08 < bridge> <DefaultO> ```
11:08 < bridge> <Patiga> nice, as expected
11:10 < bridge> <DefaultO> sorry for hijacking your question that could be solved using google. bump.
11:14 <+ChillerDragon> default be like https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1675937661.png
11:15 < bridge> <DefaultO> :PepeLaugh:
11:16 < bridge> <DefaultO> you'd think I would get banned for spamming
11:16 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> if you didnt know you can solve everything with internet
11:16 < bridge> <DefaultO> yea but if you are too tired to ask the proper questions, try out ChatGPT
11:17 < bridge> <DefaultO> but oh well, you said your country isn't supported
11:17 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> oh wow
11:17 < bridge> <DefaultO> yea but if you are too tired to ask *google* the proper questions, try out ChatGPT
11:17 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> imagine crying about this and not helping
11:17 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> just ignore it then
11:17 < bridge> <DefaultO> you picked it up as toxic
11:18 < bridge> <DefaultO> i just advertise that ai because it is hilariously useful
11:18 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> why would people even ask here anything if everything can be solved with google and ai
11:19 < bridge> <DefaultO> to ask questions like I did
11:19 < bridge> <DefaultO> because that stuff isn't documented anywhere but hidden in the code
11:19 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> oh well, fuck me then
11:19 < bridge> <DefaultO> wait I help you out
11:19 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> next time i will ask before asking
11:20 < bridge> <DefaultO> but I don't understand your question
11:20 < bridge> <DefaultO> don't ask to ask
11:20 < bridge> <DefaultO> https://dontasktoask.com/
11:21 < bridge> <Patiga> I think you didn't pick up on @MilkeeyCat's sarcasm there
11:21 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> but i wont know will it be a good enough question to ask here
11:22 < bridge> <DefaultO> if it was sarcasm he probably wouldn't have deleted the question
11:22 < bridge> <DefaultO> if it is sarcasm, I am impressed by your acting
11:22 < bridge> <Patiga> @MilkeeyCat I don't think there is any problem with your questions here. figuring stuff out on your own is also important ofc, but using the shortcut of a chat is very much okay when you feel like it
11:23 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> bro i just even didnt know how to google it
11:23 < bridge> <Patiga> well then asking here is the best thing you can do :)
11:23 < bridge> <DefaultO> i didn't understand your question either
11:23 < bridge> <DefaultO> you gave us an image
11:23 < bridge> <DefaultO> and a cryptig prompt
11:23 < bridge> <DefaultO> and a cryptic prompt
11:23 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> anyways that was too bad question im so sorry, i will never happen again
11:24 < bridge> <DefaultO> better be!
11:24 < bridge> <DefaultO> did you show us the whole table
11:24 < bridge> <Patiga> @DefaultO I assumed they deleted that message because you (probably accidentally) made them feel bad with "sorry for hijacking your question that could be solved using google"
11:25 < bridge> <DefaultO> you had 4 rows of permission flags @MilkeeyCat
11:25 < bridge> <DefaultO> you had 4 rows of permission flags (4 columns) @MilkeeyCat
11:25 < bridge> <DefaultO> and you said you wanted only one row
11:25 < bridge> <DefaultO> how do we know which row you want
11:25 < bridge> <MilkeeyCat> just forget it dude i will google it
11:25 < bridge> <DefaultO> that's what I didn't get
11:26 < bridge> <DefaultO> guess we will never know which row you wanted
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon> Can someone explain how snap items work \:) im trying to manually create a character snap item with no data (mem zerod) and then debug dump the snap to verify id and type are set correctly but i do not get the expected type back
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon> ```c
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   CSnapshotBuilder Builder;
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon> 	Builder.Init();
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon> 
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   const int ObjCharSize = 88;
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   const int CharID = 0;
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   void *pObj = Builder.NewItem(NETOBJTYPE_CHARACTER, CharID, ObjCharSize);
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   mem_zero(pObj, ObjCharSize);
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon> 
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   CSnapshot SnapDestPlaceHolder;
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   Builder.Finish(&SnapDestPlaceHolder);
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon> 
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   dbg_msg("snap_trans", "<<<<< DUMP START >>>>>>>>>>>>");
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   SnapDestPlaceHolder.DebugDump();
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   dbg_msg("snap_trans", "<<<<< DUMP END >>>>>>>>>>>>");
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon> ```
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon> the id 0 worked and the mem zero on the data
11:33 < bridge> <chillerdragon> but the type is 0
11:34 < bridge> <chillerdragon> so i wondered where its looking up the type and printed a bunch of memory addresses and it seems to lookup the type in the data memory
11:35 < bridge> <chillerdragon> in `NewItem` i printed the items memory address when its being added `2023-02-09 11:31:00 I new_item: pObj=0x7ffcddb38410 set type and id to (9 << 16) | 0 == 589824`
11:35 < bridge> <chillerdragon> in the `CSnapshotItem::ID()` getter i printed where its looking up the id `[item] &m_TypeAndID = 0x7ffcddb38414`
11:36 < bridge> <chillerdragon> the way i understand this is that the actual item starts at 0x7ffcddb38410 and in the first 4 bytes m\_TypeAndID is located. But later when dumping the items and asking for its id it somehow seems to look at 0x7ffcddb38414 which is 4 bytes off
11:37 < bridge> <chillerdragon> what did i not understand?
11:37 < bridge> <0108ben> How do u type as a bot?
11:41 <+ChillerDragon> yea nvm i mean type and id share the 4 bytes so id doesnt work either i tested with another id than 0
11:41 <+ChillerDragon> not that it makes much more sense now
11:43 < bridge> <chillerdragon> ```C
11:43 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   protocol7::CNetObj_Character Char;
11:43 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   mem_zero(&Char, ObjCharSize);
11:43 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   Char.m_X = 1;
11:43 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   Char.m_Y = 1;
11:43 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   mem_copy(pObj, &Char, ObjCharSize);
11:43 < bridge> <chillerdragon> ```setting data works wonderfully
11:44 < bridge> <chillerdragon> oh wait now it set type and id too?! xd
11:44 < bridge> <chillerdragon> wait is the mem zero bad?
11:45 < bridge> <chillerdragon> sorry for rubber ducking on a whole channel
11:45 < bridge> <chillerdragon> ok this works```C
11:46 < bridge> <chillerdragon> mem_zero(&Char, ObjCharSize);
11:46 < bridge> <chillerdragon> mem_copy(pObj, &Char, ObjCharSize);
11:46 < bridge> <chillerdragon> ```where this also zeros the  type and id?```C
11:46 < bridge> <chillerdragon> mem_zero(pObj, ObjCharSize);
11:46 < bridge> <chillerdragon> ```
11:47 < bridge> <chillerdragon> oh but this also works? xd```C
11:47 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   mem_zero(&Char, ObjCharSize);
11:47 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   mem_copy(pObj, &Char, ObjCharSize);
11:47 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   mem_zero(pObj, ObjCharSize);
11:47 < bridge> <chillerdragon> ```ub?
11:54 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Wtf u even doin
11:55 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Use Char = {}
11:55 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
11:55 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> That initializes it
11:55 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Copying structs works with normal assignment
11:56 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Just cast your type if the implementation gives u the size of the struct as memory anyway
12:00 < bridge> <chillerdragon> fixed it with asan \:)```C
12:00 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   CSnapshotBuilder Builder;
12:00 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   Builder.Init();
12:00 < bridge> <chillerdragon> 
12:00 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   const int ObjCharSize = 88;
12:00 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   const int CharID = 22;
12:01 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   void *pObj = Builder.NewItem(NETOBJTYPE_CHARACTER, CharID, ObjCharSize);
12:01 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   mem_zero(pObj, ObjCharSize);
12:01 < bridge> <chillerdragon> 
12:01 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   unsigned char aTmpBuffer3[CSnapshot::MAX_SIZE];
12:01 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   CSnapshot *pTmpBuffer3 = (CSnapshot *)aTmpBuffer3;
12:01 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   Builder.Finish(pTmpBuffer3);
12:01 < bridge> <chillerdragon> 
12:01 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   dbg_msg("snap_trans", "<<<<< DUMP START >>>>>>>>>>>>");
12:01 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   pTmpBuffer3->DebugDump();
12:01 < bridge> <chillerdragon>   dbg_msg("snap_trans", "<<<<< DUMP END >>>>>>>>>>>>");
12:01 < bridge> <chillerdragon> ```seems like the builder doesnt like writing into some simple `CSnapshot` on the stack
12:01 < bridge> <chillerdragon> still no idea what im doing
12:02 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> I hope u don't work on 0.7 stuff
12:03 <+ChillerDragon> i do
12:03 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Shit
12:04 <+ChillerDragon> i would prefer not to but nobodi else doin it ._.
12:04 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Before u use 0.7 way of doing whatever. Make it better
12:04 <+ChillerDragon> ?
12:04 <+ChillerDragon> make what better
12:05 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> What are u working on
12:05 <+ChillerDragon> translating snap items
12:05 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Make a better system
12:05 <+ChillerDragon> ??
12:05 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> There is no value in this
12:05 <+ChillerDragon> in what
12:05 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Adding more 0.7 bloat
12:06 <+ChillerDragon> the value is being able to join 0.7 servers with ddnet client
12:06 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Sounds completely useless
12:06 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> And bloat
12:06 <+ChillerDragon> does not sound useless to me
12:06 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Then please don't pr it to ddnet
12:06 <+ChillerDragon> and as suggested by lerato and heinrich i try to keep the bloat minimal by keeping most 0.6 code untouched
12:07 <+ChillerDragon> thats the whole point
12:07 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> It's a regression to have 0.7 dependencies
12:07 <+ChillerDragon> if you want to make it cleaner than me pls go ahead
12:07 <+ChillerDragon> because of two protocols?
12:07 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Better work on next gen networking packet stuff
12:07 <+ChillerDragon> sounds useless to me
12:08 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Firstly that and secondly because it basically has the same problems as 0.6
12:08 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> It fixed 2-3 issues that's it
12:08 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> No value
12:08 <+ChillerDragon> the value is compability
12:08 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Vanilla is also dead
12:08 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Compatibility to what?
12:09 <+ChillerDragon> to teeworlds
12:09 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> To windows 1995?
12:09 <+ChillerDragon> windows 1995 is 0.6
12:09 <+ChillerDragon> :p
12:09 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Teeworlds is dead bro
12:09 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Oy is afk since one year
12:09 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> He wasn't convinced dropping maintenance
12:09 <+ChillerDragon> makes it even more sad ddnet cant catch up with it
12:10 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> He clearly is not interested in tw survival
12:10 <+ChillerDragon> he is not
12:10 <+ChillerDragon> he publicly stated that
12:10 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> See. So let this die. It hurts my feelings
12:10 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> That an evil person like Oy exists
12:10 <+ChillerDragon> im not doing it for oy
12:10 <+ChillerDragon> im doing it for my self
12:11 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> U are a necromancer
12:12 <+ChillerDragon> >  The practice of supposedly communicating with the spirits of the dead in order to predict the future.
12:14 <+ChillerDragon> i wonder how people wrote c/c++ code without ubsan/asan its literally impossible to debug and none of the things make sense
12:15 <+ChillerDragon> *insert ryo rust comment here*
12:15 < bridge> <fokkonaut> debug using brain > ubsan/asan
12:15 <+ChillerDragon> ok mr brain
12:15 < bridge> <fokkonaut> 🧠
12:16 <+ChillerDragon> :brain:
12:16 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> U could say the same about logic errors. You can break down the bug until u find the reason
12:16 < bridge> <fokkonaut> Yup
12:17 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Also in cpp stop using stuff like mem zero. U really rarely need it
12:17 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Maybe if u want to fill a buffer of data or smth
12:17  * bridge <fokkonaut> insert angry noby here
12:17 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Noby is next level coder
12:18 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> He is allowed
12:18 <+ChillerDragon> how do you break down things if it breaks in random places :D
12:18 < bridge> <fokkonaut> he's just allowed cuz his brain has all the synapses to comprehend what he is writing there
12:18 < bridge> <fokkonaut> wonder where they all come from 🥦
12:18 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> In single threaded programs it should not be"random"
12:19 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> But since u work on network related stuff. Maybe print the packets, when they arrive and what it current state was
12:19 <+ChillerDragon> oh trust me i did
12:20 < bridge> <fokkonaut> what exactly is breaking
12:20 <+ChillerDragon> show me any binary dump and i see tee positions
12:20 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Then u see which state was updated and get a feeling for the program flow
12:20 <+ChillerDragon> notin is breaking rn suprisigly cuz asan catched all random bugs
12:21  * bridge <fokkonaut> slaps chillerdragon
12:21 <+ChillerDragon> but they were in such unexpected places in code i wrote like months ago
12:21 <+ChillerDragon> u
12:21 < bridge> <fokkonaut> question
12:21 <+ChillerDragon> wot
12:21 < bridge> <fokkonaut> how can asan catch random bugs if it runs on a computer which doesnt know about randomness
12:21 < bridge> <fokkonaut> 🧌
12:22 < bridge> <fokkonaut> :troll:
12:22 <+ChillerDragon> it detects randomness using blockchain and AI
12:22 < bridge> <fokkonaut> discord troll
12:22 < bridge> <fokkonaut> blockchain? where is eirk
12:22 < bridge> <fokkonaut> erik
12:22 <+ChillerDragon> xd
12:23 < bridge> <fokkonaut> chiller btw ddnet++ gametype is DDraceNetwork not DDNet++
12:23 <+ChillerDragon> yea
12:23 < bridge> <fokkonaut> just that one guy hosting ddpp fixed it i believe
12:23 <+ChillerDragon> yea
12:23 < bridge> <fokkonaut> xd
12:23 <+ChillerDragon> after i told him how :D
12:23 < bridge> <fokkonaut> rofl
12:23 <+ChillerDragon> i dont remeber why i didnt change it
12:23 <+ChillerDragon> i think because it doesnt cut off well
12:23 < bridge> <fokkonaut> lazyness
12:24 < bridge> <fokkonaut> better than DDraceNetwork
12:24 <+ChillerDragon> iirc it becomes ddnet+
12:24 < bridge> <fokkonaut> yea
12:24 < bridge> <fokkonaut> and F-DDrace becomes F-DDrac
12:24 <+ChillerDragon> could name it DDraceNetwork++
12:24 < bridge> <fokkonaut> we should really make the gametype field a little bigger
12:24 < bridge> <fokkonaut> 1 character :troll-1:
12:24 < bridge> <fokkonaut> :troll:
12:24 <+ChillerDragon> lul
12:25 < bridge> <fokkonaut> ok 2
12:25 < bridge> <fokkonaut> I hate Java
12:25 <+ChillerDragon> xXxiDDRace128++xXx
12:25 < bridge> <fokkonaut> C++ so much better
12:25 < bridge> <fokkonaut> omg
12:25 < bridge> <fokkonaut> u forgot the underscores between the x's and text
12:26 <+ChillerDragon> sori
12:26 < bridge> <fokkonaut> np
12:26 <+ChillerDragon> uwu
12:26 < bridge> <fokkonaut> wuw
12:26 <+ChillerDragon> ok i go bak to snaps
12:26 < bridge> <fokkonaut> snapchat user
12:33 <+ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 okay given a 0.7 ``CSnapshot`` i should be able to generate a new 0.6 ``CSnapshot`` not sure tho where to store it and who allocates memory for it and who frees it the whole snapshot storage prev/current/alt is not making much sense to me
12:34 < bridge> <fokkonaut> the snapshots are not changed
12:34 < bridge> <fokkonaut> Just the data gets sorted in 0.7
12:34 <+ChillerDragon> yea that much i got 
12:35 <+ChillerDragon> you mean not changed by the client after receive right?
12:35 <+ChillerDragon> but on receive they are stored in some CHolder
12:35 < bridge> <fokkonaut> No, there is no difference
12:35 <+ChillerDragon> and then freed in the Purge
12:35 < bridge> <fokkonaut> The altsnap is the one the client uses
12:37 <+ChillerDragon> i was thinking about adding a new ``CSnapshot *m_pTransSnap`` here that holds the snap that was translated from 0.7 to 0.6 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/911bd0e69a8fee9b02f0cea26d50ecc2f000bc3c/src/engine/shared/snapshot.h#L123
12:38 < bridge> <fokkonaut> cant you put the translated data into the altsnap and use it like that
12:38 <+ChillerDragon> yea maybe but then i still do not know how to manage memory allocation
12:38 < bridge> <fokkonaut> I wouldnt put extra stuff in it, just translate everything on the layer before
12:39 <+ChillerDragon> but keeping the raw 0.7 snap is nice for diffing new deltas
12:39 < bridge> <fokkonaut> the server also doesnt keep the untranslated 0.7 packets.
12:39 <+ChillerDragon> the server also doesnt have to unpack snaps ._.
12:39 < bridge> <fokkonaut> shouldnt be a problem
12:40 < bridge> <fokkonaut> if you always translate everything u should get a diff aswell
12:41 <+ChillerDragon> yea thats what i thought too in the beginning but i like heinrichs idea better now of going over a full snap and translating it
12:42 <+ChillerDragon> seems less intrusive
12:43 < bridge> <fokkonaut> true
13:21 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> Just trying to learn opengl to help develop deeworlds https://github.com/gotroyb127/deeworlds
13:25 <+ChillerDragon> okay i think i got the memory stuff worked out at least asan is not bitching 
13:25 <+ChillerDragon> https://tube.zillyhuhn.com/video.php?t=translated_07_snap.mp4&u=chiller
13:25 <+ChillerDragon> first proof of concept of a full snap translation
13:26 <+ChillerDragon> this was recorded with a ddnet client on a 0.7 server
13:26 <+ChillerDragon> all translation of the character snap item happens in snapshot.cpp the gameclient.cpp is untouched and thinks its on a 0.6 server
13:26 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Epic
13:39 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> it's only zogtib's work atm but he's occupied with making a text editor :kek:. Previously he was occupied with implementing a build system :kek:. In the feature he might be occupied with something else :kek:
13:42 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> `It is under development so don't expect anything yet.` :kek: more like `It's not`
13:47 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Educational project
13:53 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> xD
14:03 < bridge> <Ryozuki> @heinrich5991 https://github.blog/changelog/2023-02-08-pull-request-merge-queue-public-beta/
14:04 < bridge> <Ryozuki> does this remove bors need?
15:39 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> F-DDrac
15:44 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> it's only zogtib's work atm but he's occupied with making a text editor :kek:. Previously he was occupied with implementing a build system :kek:. In the future he might be occupied with something else :kek:
16:58 < bridge> <Mʎɹ シ> ddrac
17:09 < bridge> <fokkonaut> Elo
17:21 < bridge> <deen> I would say so. I never understood why bors needed to be a separate tool, that is basic functionality
17:22 < bridge> <Ryozuki> yea
17:30 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> *bors secretly on the internal github repo*
17:30 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> bors r-
17:49 < bridge> <Portak Abi> .
18:00 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> thanks for your contribution
18:06 < bridge> <Izanagi> 👍
19:41 < bridge> <Nouaa> .
20:25 < bridge> <Александр Язов> hi what speed should internet be for ddnet server
20:53 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ~50kbps
20:53 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> should be enough xd
20:53 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> if u have problems, then its most probably your ping is unstable
20:53 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> and not the internet speed
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23:06 < bridge> <deen> 40kbps per player approximately
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