00:11 < bridge> <Learath2> huh, what?
00:11 < bridge> <Learath2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072293368467570878/image.png
00:11 < bridge> <Learath2> Error does not occur, thus it is indeed defined for all values of x
00:16 < bridge> <Learath2> Oh I guess it's still not defined since you could accidentally shift into the sign bit 😛
00:18 < bridge> <Learath2> I got 2 mistakes, that one and this one
00:18 < bridge> <Learath2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072295141148213368/image.png
00:22 < bridge> <Learath2> I was sure that was guaranteed to be 0, too much time spent on x86-64 😄
00:25 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> we had a similar case a few weeks ago in ddnet 😄
00:25 < bridge> <Learath2> Huh, how? We avoid unsigned like it's the plague for some reason 😛
00:26 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> well long on x86 (and windows x64) is 32bit
00:27 < bridge> <Learath2> Oh, just that part, yeah, I thought we had a conversion issue
00:29 < bridge> <Learath2> Did you know that shorts and ints actually have the same minimum range allowed by the standard?
00:30 < bridge> <Learath2> So it is actually possible to have an implementation of C where sizeof(int) == sizeof(short)
02:39 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> I am trying to run DDNet client as fast as KoGAI can handle (x10, x100). I am facing problems with it though.
02:39 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> How often does game/client/prediction/entitites/character.cpp run?
02:42 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> I speed up the server and the client here ```c
02:42 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> return std::chrono::nanoseconds(1s).count() / 1;
02:42 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> ``` under `int64_t time_freq()` in base/system.cpp
02:43 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> Is this correct or am I missing something?
02:44 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> I speed up the server and the client here ```c
02:44 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> return std::chrono::nanoseconds(1s).count() / 10;
02:44 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> ``` under `int64_t time_freq()` in base/system.cpp
05:18 < bridge> <Matodor> TICK_SPEED
07:38 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Have u tried multiplying the time
10:17 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072446071206330448/RDT_20230207_1015134247676308318408489.jpg
10:41 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> xD doesn't work like that
10:42 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> nah this wasn't the problem. It was using std:chrono::otherstuff to toher places too so I had to change it there accordinly also.
10:53 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> But dividing sounds wrong tho xd
10:53 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 1 second will take 10 times longer
10:55 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Ah u doing it in time freq
10:55 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Soz
10:55 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> ye xD
10:56 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> in other places was *10
10:56 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Better change it the other tho
10:56 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Time freq is not used everywhere
10:56 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> But besides that . Multiplying it at that one position should be enough actually
10:57 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> Hmm didn't seem to be though idk xD
10:57 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Mh. I'm pretty sure it is
10:58 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Can u show Ur diff
11:01 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> https://pastebin.com/kVa2GvyD
11:04 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Don't change it in other places. Simply use cl refresh 0
11:04 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Have u compiled the server with that change too?
11:04 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> And yeah remove it from freq call.
11:04 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> Yeah I have. Ok will try it out ;)
11:06 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Dividing can be scary
11:06 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> (10*10)/10/10 is 1
11:06 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> It can quickly happen that u divide your result instead of the freq valley
11:06 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Values
11:14 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> That seemed to do the trick ty. Idk why the other way also "worked". My metric for working or not is it/s (iterations/second). This time it's 480-490. Without speedup is 60-70 it/s.
11:14 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> I would expect it to scale lineary though (should be 600-700 it/s) with that line of thought
11:16 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Sounds a lot. It can probably not keep up
11:16 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> A better design would be to not rely on a server anyway
11:17 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> And just run as much ticks as possible
11:18 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> ah lemme check something. I (zogtib) had put a limit to only run once per tick so it's closer now to 500 (as it should be). I wanna see what changes if I remove this limit
11:21 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> Yeah it runs with 500 now too. I'll put it back up.
11:21 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> How would that work though?
11:22 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Make server part of the client source. Increment the time every time u finished the current loop cycle
11:24 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Or sync the server time with a network packet
11:24 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> But don't use system time
11:24 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> That sounds very unreliable
11:24 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> Hmm sounds a lot of work and it works well rn. If I face problems I'll do so ;).
11:25 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> Yeah it's unreliable but reliable enough ig. For speed of x100 or smt bigger it's starting to rise as a problem
11:25 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Ok. Good that we have 1 trillion fps xd
11:25 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> But my cpu is already at it's max with x10 and 20 envs
14:07 < bridge> <Teero> @Reteah here is the thing. it catches up if the server somehow takes too long and slow it down if it goes too fast.
14:07 < bridge> <Teero> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/engine/server/server.cpp#L2741
14:07 < bridge> <Teero> `while(t > TickStartTime(m_CurrentGameTick + 1))`
14:08 < bridge> <Teero> if you where to replace it just with `while(true)` it would not check for map changes or anything else and just go as fast as it could.
14:08 < bridge> <Teero> but im not sure.
14:08 < bridge> <Teero> if you were to replace it just with `while(true)` it would not check for map changes or anything else and just go as fast as it could.
14:08 < bridge> <Teero> but im not sure.
14:08 < bridge> <Teero> @Reteah here is the thing. it catches up if the server somehow takes too long and slows it down if it goes too fast.
14:08 < bridge> <Teero> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/engine/server/server.cpp#L2741
14:08 < bridge> <Teero> `while(t > TickStartTime(m_CurrentGameTick + 1))`
14:10 < bridge> <Teero> if you were to replace it just with `while(true)` it would not check for map changes or anything else and just go as fast as it could. ofc you couldnt join the server anymore if you were to do that
14:10 < bridge> <Teero> but im not sure.
14:11 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> He has to keep server and client in sync tho. So the time workaround is legit xd
14:12 < bridge> <Teero> xd just remake ddnet physics and maploading in the language you are dealing with xd
14:12 < bridge> <Teero> just remake ddnet physics and maploading in the language you are dealing with xd
14:16 < bridge> <Teero> im pretty sure it would be faster and easier.
14:16 < bridge> <Teero> im pretty sure it would be faster and easier since it would just be translating.
14:16 < bridge> <Teero> exept with python....
16:20 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://anthonyhobday.com/sideprojects/saferules/
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://www.worldofbs.com/minimize-state/
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > I recently realized that all the various programming philosophies are concerned with state, and can be boiled down into a simple statement about how to work with state.
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > 
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > Object-Oriented - Modifying a lot of state at once is hard to get correct; encapsulate subsets of state into separate objects and allow limited manipulation of the encapsulated sub-state via methods.
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > 
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > Functional - Modifying state is hard to get correct; keep it at the boundaries and keep logic pure so that it is easier to verify the logic is correct.
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > 
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > Declarative - Modifying state is hard to get correct; use a language to describe how state should be manipulated and allow the machine to determine the steps required.
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > 
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > Imperative - Modifying state is hard to get correct; minimize the number of conceptual layers between how the computer operates and how the code is written.
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > 
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > Monolith - Modifying state distributed among many services is hard to get correct; keep it centralized.
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > 
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > Service-Oriented-Architecture - Modifying all of the state in one service is hard to get correct; distribute it among multiple services.
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > 
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> > MicroServices - Modifying any state in a service is hard to get correct; have many services that are primarily stateless.
16:56 < bridge> <Ryozuki> makes sense tbh
16:57 < bridge> <Ryozuki> xd
17:23 < bridge> <heinrich5991> data oriented?
17:23 < bridge> <heinrich5991> seems like it mixes different levels
18:03 < bridge> <Learath2> Well a CPU is at it’s core a state machine. Instructions take us from one state to another. At the end of the day programming is technically navigating inside the state space of the cpu, in that sense technically all programming is “concerned with state”
18:11 < bridge> <Learath2> I don’t think mixing different levels is an issue when you think about it like that. At every level/layer of abstraction we constrain the transitions of state allowed, which gives rise to smaller and smaller subsets of the state space of the entire cpu.
18:45 < bridge> <newlesstee> Hello, what i'm doing wrong?
18:45 < bridge> <newlesstee> ```cpp
18:45 < bridge> <newlesstee> char *CAccount::GenerateID()
18:45 < bridge> <newlesstee> {
18:45 < bridge> <newlesstee>     char aBuf[8];
18:45 < bridge> <newlesstee>     FormatUuid(RandomUuid(), aBuf, sizeof(aBuf));
18:45 < bridge> <newlesstee>     return aBuf;
18:45 < bridge> <newlesstee> }
18:45 < bridge> <newlesstee> ```
18:46 < bridge> <newlesstee> ?
18:46 < bridge> <newlesstee> ```cpp
18:46 < bridge> <newlesstee> dbg_msg("GenerateID()", pSelf->m_pAccount->GenerateID());
18:46 < bridge> <newlesstee> ```
18:46 < bridge> <newlesstee> print nothing
18:48 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> did u verify that the code path is reachable
18:48 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> also a char is not directly a string
18:48 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> what u want is to print it as hex values probably
18:49 < bridge> <newlesstee> i think yes
18:49 < bridge> <newlesstee> if i do same thing but inside GenerateID it print right
18:50 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> u also return a stack variable
18:50 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> this is wrong, how does your compiler not throw a warning?
18:50 < bridge> <newlesstee> what?
18:50 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> char aBuf[8] is allocated on the stack
18:50 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> as soon as you call return its dead
18:51 < bridge> <newlesstee> How do I make it correct?
18:51 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> pass aBuf as parameter
18:51 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> GenerateID(char(&aBuf)[8])
18:54 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> note u can still return aBuf then
18:54 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> its just important that u increase the lifetime of the array
18:55 < bridge> <newlesstee> @Jupeyy_Keks oh thanks, thats worked 🙂
18:55 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> it will probs not work for all cases tho
18:56 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ok nvm formatuuid is probs what u want anyway lol
18:56 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> account = for ddnet?^^
18:56 < bridge> <newlesstee> my server
18:57 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> any cool mod?
18:57 < bridge> <newlesstee> i'm trying to code an city
18:57 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ok xd
18:57 < bridge> <newlesstee> it will probs not work for all cases tho
18:58 < bridge> <newlesstee> what do you think?
18:59 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i hoped it was fng gores or ddnet xd
18:59 < bridge> <Ryozuki> ur returning a stack allocated array
18:59 < bridge> <newlesstee> xD
18:59 < bridge> <newlesstee> yes
18:59 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 3 2 1
18:59 < bridge> <Ryozuki> xd
18:59 < bridge> <Ryozuki> in rust u would get a error
18:59 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> xd
19:00 < bridge> <newlesstee> mania of others languages
19:00 < bridge> <Raks> Hi! I texted u in dm. I need a little help.
19:01 < bridge> <Ryozuki> i hate dev related dms
19:01 < bridge> <Ryozuki> its better to ask in public
19:01 < bridge> <Ryozuki> everyone helps
19:01 < bridge> <Ryozuki> u dont depend on 1 person
19:01 < bridge> <Raks> oh okay im sorry
19:01 < bridge> <Ryozuki> others see the answer
19:01 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i am also not very good with ddrace good
19:01 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i am also not very good with ddrace code
19:01 < bridge> <newlesstee> How can I create projectiles that don't move?
19:01 < bridge> <Ryozuki> xd
19:01 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> but yeah just ask here
19:01 < bridge> <Raks> I can ask it over here?
19:01 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> tune their speed i guess
19:02 < bridge> <Ryozuki> set the speed to 0 or smth
19:02 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> tuning params
19:02 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> u can ask anything here
19:02 < bridge> <Ryozuki> if its not about bot clients or coding bots
19:02 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> its about voting system
19:02 < bridge> <newlesstee> i'm trying with new CProjectile but dont work like expected
19:02 < bridge> <Raks> It's about ye..
19:02 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> best is u tag heinrich or learath or robyte
19:02 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> they probs know about this kind of stuff
19:02 < bridge> <Raks> I try to make almost the same voting system wich one is the ddddnet using.
19:03 < bridge> <Raks> Like if i choose Novice vote
19:03 < bridge> <Raks> that will only show up my novice maps
19:03 < bridge> <Raks> I tryed like this:
19:03 < bridge> <Raks> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072578409915490384/image.png
19:03 < bridge> <Ryozuki> check the ddnet repo
19:03 < bridge> <Ryozuki> ddnet-maps
19:03 < bridge> <Ryozuki> it has cfgs
19:04 < bridge> <newlesstee> ```cpp
19:04 < bridge> <newlesstee> CProjectile::CProjectile(CGameWorld *pGameWorld, int Type, int Owner, vec2 Pos,```**vec2 Dir**```cpp
19:04 < bridge> <newlesstee> , int Span, bool Freeze, bool Explosive, int SoundImpact, int Layer = 0, int Number = 0)
19:04 < bridge> <newlesstee> ```
19:04 < bridge> <Ryozuki> ddnet scripts too
19:04 < bridge> <Raks> repo?
19:04 < bridge> <Raks> Where can i find that?
19:04 < bridge> <newlesstee> `CProjectile::CProjectile(CGameWorld *pGameWorld, int Type, int Owner, vec2 Pos, **vec2 Dir**
19:04 < bridge> <newlesstee> , int Span, bool Freeze, bool Explosive, int SoundImpact, int Layer = 0, int Number = 0)`
19:04 < bridge> <newlesstee> CProjectile has Dir
19:04 < bridge> <newlesstee> all have motion
19:05 < bridge> <newlesstee> i dont know how to create static projectiles
19:06 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-maps
19:06 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> hmm how to remove embeds?
19:06 < bridge> <newlesstee> < link >
19:07 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> <https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-maps>
19:07 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> ty
19:27 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> set Dir as `vec2(0.f, 0.f)` maybe
19:27 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> idk
19:27 < bridge> <newlesstee> @gerdoe all projectiles go down
19:28 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> then you should change Tick function
19:28 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> afair there's part related to any movement
19:29 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> on `GetPos()` if you set `Speed = 0.f;` before `return CalcPos(m_Pos, m_Direction, Curvature, Speed, Time);` it works serverside
19:47 < bridge> <newlesstee> @Reteah dont worked
19:48 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> if you test with grenade you can see that the explotion happens where you shot so it works but the client predictions are wrong. At least I think so
19:49 < bridge> <Mr.Gh0s7> ig if that's true you'd have to sent tunings for each projectile but idk if that's possible. It probably is though
19:50 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> lol nah
19:50 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> client will not predict projectiles in such straight wa
19:50 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> y
19:50 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> it shouldn't atleast
19:50 < bridge> <newlesstee> i think thats client side, but i want to know how to create an static projectile
19:50 < bridge> <newlesstee> like others mods
19:59 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> you can actually pass some kind of flag Static and check it in tick function
19:59 < bridge> <newlesstee> i want to create this:
19:59 < bridge> <newlesstee> `CNetObj_Projectile`
19:59 < bridge> <newlesstee> but i dont know how
19:59 < bridge> <newlesstee> i have tried and its so hard
20:00 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> you should ask snapbuilder to snap you new item
20:00 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> `static_cast<CNetObj_EntityEx *>(Server()->SnapNewItem(NETOBJTYPE_ENTITYEX, GetID(), sizeof(CNetObj_EntityEx)));` kind of
20:01 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> `static_cast<CNetObj_Projectile *>(Server()->SnapNewItem(NETOBJTYPE_PROJECTILE, GetID(), sizeof(CNetObj_Projectile)));` this one is what you actually need i think
20:01 < bridge> <<~{Barsik}~>> it returns cnetobj_projectile
20:17 < bridge> <newlesstee> @gerdoe i will try
20:32 < bridge> <судный день.> god helps me, c# developer, after seeing this code
20:42 < bridge> <Ryozuki> ?
20:47 < bridge> <Learath2> https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldnt-get-it-joker-smoking-gif-15952801
20:47 < bridge> <судный день.> i got depressed
20:48 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://tenor.com/view/coding-hello-world-c-programming-programming-gif-21075258
20:49 < bridge> <Learath2> Usually you don't want to create a CNetObj directly from just anywhere in the code
20:50 < bridge> <DefaultO> are you dissing c# devs?
20:50 < bridge> <DefaultO> because as a C# dev I could reproduce that
20:50 < bridge> <Ryozuki> @DefaultO i do
20:50 < bridge> <Learath2> Usually you'll want to extend `CProjectile` or `CEntity` directly and in the snap function of that you snap a new `CNetObj_*`
20:50 < bridge> <судный день.> i just confused with that
20:50 < bridge> <судный день.> got*
20:51 < bridge> <Ryozuki> i dont think on c# u need to remember the circular read rule to know how a complex type involving pointers is read
20:51 < bridge> <Ryozuki> idk the name of the thing
20:51 < bridge> <Ryozuki> xd
20:52 < bridge> <Ryozuki> void *(*foo)(int *);``
20:52 < bridge> <Ryozuki> `void *(*foo)(int *);`
20:52 < bridge> <Ryozuki> function pointers
20:52 < bridge> <Ryozuki> what was the name
20:52 < bridge> <Ryozuki> to describe how to read these
20:52 < bridge> <Chairn> weird function to return a `void *`
20:52 < bridge> <DefaultO> value of foo cast from address
20:52 < bridge> <DefaultO> would be my guess
20:53 < bridge> <Ryozuki> ?
20:53 < bridge> <Chairn> you mean functor?
20:53 < bridge> <DefaultO> dereferencing?
20:53 < bridge> <Ryozuki> no, there is like a know method to read these
20:53 < bridge> <Ryozuki> known
20:53 < bridge> <Ryozuki> u do circles
20:53 < bridge> <Ryozuki> imaginary
20:53 < bridge> <Ryozuki> i read it somewhere
20:54 < bridge> <Ryozuki> ```
20:54 < bridge> <Ryozuki> If you are having problem with deciphering complex pointer declarations like int (*(*foo[10])(void))(int) then you are at the right place. In this tutorial, you would learn to decipher any complex pointer declarations.
20:54 < bridge> <Ryozuki> 
20:54 < bridge> <Ryozuki> To decipher complex declarations, remember these two simple rules:
20:54 < bridge> <Ryozuki> 
20:54 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     Always read declarations from the inside out: Start from the innermost, if any, parenthesis. Locate the identifier that's being declared, and start deciphering the declaration from there.
20:54 < bridge> <Ryozuki> 
20:54 < bridge> <Ryozuki>     When there is a choice, always favor [] and () over *: If * precedes the identifier and [] follows it, the identifier represents an array, not a pointer. Likewise, if * precedes the identifier and () follows it, the identifier represents a function, not a pointer. (Parentheses can always be used to override the normal priority of [] and () over *.)
20:54 < bridge> <Ryozuki> 
20:54 < bridge> <Ryozuki> ```
20:54 < bridge> <Ryozuki> this
20:54 < bridge> <DefaultO> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072606407641268304/86rcqld6lxn81.png
20:55 < bridge> <DefaultO> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072606433092313189/kh726uczjnq71.png
20:55 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://process.filestackapi.com/cache=expiry:max/c62e02tsQfGTxf0Zk43j
20:55 < bridge> <Ryozuki> poggers gif
20:55 < bridge> <Ryozuki> ah it doesnt load
20:55 < bridge> <DefaultO> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072606522535858177/4QFTxQB.png
20:55 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072606557898031134/09CIw.gif
20:56 < bridge> <Chairn> my brain hurts
20:57 < bridge> <Chairn> however, they defined Void as void 😄
20:57 < bridge> <Ryozuki> xd
20:59 < bridge> <Mʎɹ シ> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072607521455489124/HQEnV0eGqyU.png
21:01 < bridge> <судный день.> oof code existential crisis
21:06 < bridge> <судный день.> ive got interestijg question
21:06 < bridge> <Learath2> spiral rule?
21:06 < bridge> <судный день.> how IDEs are being developed?
21:06 < bridge> <Ryozuki> y
21:07 < bridge> <Ryozuki> most are a compiler frontend for the target language
21:07 < bridge> <Learath2> There is a better rule that always works. Declaration follows use
21:07 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> type code on your keyboard
21:07 < bridge> <Ryozuki> but nowadays IDEs use LSP
21:07 < bridge> <судный день.> i thought they write it with assembly
21:07 < bridge> <Ryozuki> lmao
21:07 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> they do
21:07 < bridge> <судный день.> nice
21:07 < bridge> <судный день.> why not 1 and 0
21:08 < bridge> <судный день.> optimisation is the main thing
21:08 < bridge> <Ryozuki> actually unless ur a asm expert a compiler will do a better job
21:08 < bridge> <судный день.> but wait seriously
21:08 < bridge> <судный день.> how ides are being developed
21:09 < bridge> <судный день.> how are they debugged
21:09 < bridge> <Ryozuki> u know thats a bit of a stupid question
21:09 < bridge> <судный день.> what if i run visual studio from visual studio
21:09 < bridge> <судный день.> i got two visual studio instances
21:09 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> yeah why not
21:09 < bridge> <Ryozuki> u could
21:09 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> tho vscode is javascript
21:09 < bridge> <судный день.> what if i run one more visual studio
21:10 < bridge> <Ryozuki> what  if u right click the discord tray icon and click close?
21:10 < bridge> <Ryozuki> :trollet:
21:10 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> generally i assume debugging is very event driven
21:10 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> not so much put your breakpoint here and there
21:10 < bridge> <судный день.> im on phone
21:10 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> lot of logging etc
21:10 < bridge> <Ryozuki> throw it
21:10 < bridge> <Mʎɹ シ> Wipe it
21:11 < bridge> <Mʎɹ シ> In notepad.exe :greenthing:
21:11 < bridge> <Ryozuki> @Learath2 the life of a thinkpad
21:11 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072610681779650711/rh8hemxl3sga1.webp
21:12 < bridge> <судный день.> sure buddy
21:12 < bridge> <судный день.> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072610747894476890/how-to-clean-phone-screen-case-with-clorox-wipes.jpg
21:12 < bridge> <Mʎɹ シ> Yea, it is what I mean
21:12 < bridge> <судный день.> i threw it on my bed
21:12 < bridge> <судный день.> is that enough
21:13 < bridge> <Ryozuki> for now yes
21:13 < bridge> <судный день.> how vim was developed
21:13 < bridge> <Ryozuki> with vi
21:14 < bridge> <Ryozuki> and vi with ex
21:14 < bridge> <Ryozuki> and ex with ur mom
21:14 < bridge> <Mʎɹ シ> Omg
21:14 < bridge> <Ryozuki> :BASEDHALT:
21:15 < bridge> <судный день.> i got cyberbullied
21:15 < bridge> <судный день.> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072611598004392002/Senior-Man-Cyberbullied-scaled.webp
21:15 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://tenor.com/view/cyberbullying-cyberbully-typing-typing-fast-anime-gif-25012932
21:16 < bridge> <DefaultO> https://tenor.com/view/online-argument-american-psycho-meme-gif-25806483
21:16 < bridge> <Mʎɹ シ> How linux users install browser
21:16 < bridge> <Ryozuki> https://tenor.com/view/yakone-aang-avatar-the-last-airbender-bloodbending-gif-20915076
21:40 < bridge> <DefaultO> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072617862117736559/Qn5ZL.png
21:46 < bridge> <Learath2> inaccurate, I'm not a femboy
21:46 < bridge> <Ryozuki> :justatest:
21:47 < bridge> <Learath2> Wait until you hear that those ()s there actually imply those functions can take an unspecified amount of arguments too
22:04 < bridge> <newlesstee> Can I share my crazy ideas here?
22:07 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> as if they are crazy enough to convince me that they are crazy
22:08 < bridge> <newlesstee> see
22:09 < bridge> <newlesstee> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1072625259682996264/image.png
22:10 < bridge> <newlesstee> and an webhook mention my in discord
22:11 < bridge> <Jupstar ✪> mhh weird solution
22:11 < bridge> <newlesstee> yes, CRAZY
22:47 < bridge> <pilonpl> Windows users: winget install chrome
23:02 < bridge> <heinrich5991> you could use a secure password instead :p
23:54 < bridge> <newlesstee> i already use
23:55 < bridge> <newlesstee> I know I already asked, but how can I add the D++ library (Discord library) to DDNet? wanted to create a bot instead of sending webhooks
23:55 < bridge> <heinrich5991> too complicated to walk you through
23:55 < bridge> <heinrich5991> for me
23:56 < bridge> <newlesstee> I just wanted to know how to add it to CMakeLists, the rest I could do
23:57 < bridge> <newlesstee> there are many things in CMakeLists, it is very complicated to try to understand