00:01 <+bridge> For now I'll run with older version 03:31 <+bridge> I got this problem when I updated, but I went to 16.6 and the game works fine 03:31 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1062559349442093116/image.png 08:05 <+bridge> Read what it says 09:15 <+bridge> @Jupeyy_Keks I added "run with OpenGL" option in Steam, hope that's ok: https://steamcommunity.com/app/412220/eventcomments/3757724418287109034/ 09:59 <+bridge> I noticed topics from turkey are mostly getting 'bugged' views count, kinda interesting, looks like their ISPs literally ddosing pages instead of sending 1 request :troll: 09:59 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1062656881790812160/Screenshot_2023-01-11-10-56-07-286-edit_org.mozilla.firefox.jpg 10:25 <+bridge> Yes, it was clan 44 that did it. they are doing this as an attack on me, i swear i have nothing to do with it. I reported the necessry screenshots to the admins. 10:26 <+bridge> They are doing this on purpose because I am fighting with that 44 clan. 10:30 <+bridge> I wasn't accusing someone, its just weird that only turkish topics have huge amount of views, maybe some ISPs not working correctly, maybe someone have broken router. Cuz just adding views to someone you don't like doesnt have any sense, that's basically ddosing the website xd 10:31 <+bridge> They are just running DoS attacks against our forum for fun, no need to give them attention 10:31 <+bridge> view bot yea 10:32 <+bridge> Ddosing certain topics kekw 10:32 <+bridge> And mostly turkish 10:33 <+bridge> all of them :kek: 13:25 <+bridge> https://lateblt.tripod.com/bit68.txt 13:25 <+bridge> > What happens when a CPU starts (tripod.com) 18:33 <+bridge> I'm having fun :YEP: 18:33 <+bridge> Why do I feel like Imma spend 500 lines of code only for the Inspector to look nice? :lol: 18:33 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1062786267219239085/image.png 18:34 <+bridge> aaaaand on the character category, I'll also plan to make besides Platformer: Top-down and Isometric 18:34 <+bridge> :Deadge: 18:36 <+bridge> aaaaand on the character category, I'll also plan to make besides Platformer: Top-down and Isometric 18:36 <+bridge> (oh I fucked up Cancel velocity) 18:36 <+bridge> Very cool, what about bot? 18:36 <+bridge> :justatest: need to make a character class first for the bot to control 18:37 <+bridge> Just gimme a role :feelsbadman: 18:37 <+bridge> and somehow make it work for all the character categories 18:38 <+bridge> Check #help on the server 18:39 <+bridge> Already :greenthing: 18:43 <+bridge> Oh wait, you didn't talk about AI for the character class I'm doing lmao 19:35 <+bridge> @Jupeyy_Keks do u think its worth making a own vram limiter 19:35 <+bridge> e.g just unload skins 19:35 <+bridge> with default 19:35 <+bridge> yes, but ppl should still not load 4k skins 19:35 <+bridge> loading 100MB into ram can create laggs 19:36 <+bridge> we need more threaded memory managment, ez 19:36 <+bridge> people will always be stupid, we just gotta save them from their own stupidity 19:36 <+bridge> #devwork 19:37 <+bridge> #lifestyle 19:37 <+bridge> kek 19:37 <+bridge> tru 19:37 <+bridge> as u have seen 19:37 <+bridge> they dont even read 19:37 <+bridge> xd 19:37 <+bridge> ur messages crafted with love 19:37 <+bridge> they hate u 19:37 <+bridge> xDDD 19:37 <+bridge> :BASEDDEPT: 19:38 <+bridge> if everyone would have a rtx 4090 we wouldn't have this problem. 19:38 <+bridge> i blame sillicon valley 19:38 <+bridge> true 19:50 <+bridge> :justatest: 19:50 <+bridge> oops I guess? 19:52 <+bridge> xd 20:50 <+bridge> you want my address so that you can send me one? 20:52 <+bridge> it sadly doesnt fit into your case 20:52 <+bridge> else ofc 20:52 <+bridge> i'll buy one 🙂 20:52 <+bridge> ok that makes 2000€ pls 20:52 <+bridge> 🙂 20:52 <+bridge> no, you send one for free 20:53 <+bridge> im not sillicon valley sadly 21:11 <+bridge> close as wontfix 21:11 <+bridge> we donnt provide support for old clients 21:11 <+bridge> :BASEDHALT: 21:11 <+bridge> its minor tho 21:12 <+bridge> xd i tried to interpret it in human way 21:12 <+bridge> like if services ie netflix wouldnt provide support for old man 21:12 <+bridge> xd 21:13 <+bridge> "bu-bu-but the run animations and the new ui 🤓" 21:13 <+bridge> neuron protocol was broken on 16.372.8 patch, sorry 21:14 <+bridge> i can make parallel repo that will be just the same ddnet but without animations and new ui 😋 21:14 <+bridge> im too lazy for it tho 21:14 <+bridge> thats kinda stupid tho 21:14 <+bridge> no offence 21:15 <+bridge> i think adding non optional changes in xd open source game is stupid 21:15 <+bridge> and also we have optional funny things 21:15 <+bridge> why animations should be forced 21:16 <+bridge> no offence tho 21:16 <+bridge> because i was told it should be ~~(also boosts my self esteem)~~ 21:16 <+bridge> heinrich will not change his mind so theres no point talking about it 21:16 <+bridge> yea 21:16 <+bridge> ic 21:17 <+bridge> if i were to make a paralelle client id completely change the graphical system 21:17 <+bridge> like the ui, the tee and skin format, etc 21:17 <+bridge> you can do it 21:17 <+bridge> also you can look at ninslash 21:17 <+bridge> necropotame did a big thing 21:17 <+bridge> nice work 21:18 <+bridge> his stancee is correct on long term 21:18 <+bridge> his stance is correct on long term 21:18 <+bridge> about optional things? 21:18 <+bridge> or wdym 21:18 <+bridge> options ye 21:18 <+bridge> yeah its good in long term 21:19 <+bridge> but ddnet isnt a core 21:19 <+bridge> its literally customized whatever 21:19 <+bridge> i believe ddnet someday will leave teeworlds 21:19 <+bridge> and teeworlds could rest in peace 21:20 <+bridge> i mean ddet will broke the protocol totally 21:20 <+bridge> will change skin system and maybe someone will do full ui rework 21:20 <+bridge> but its only dreams 21:20 <+bridge> someday ryozoozki will publish rustee :troll: 21:20 <+bridge> and it will become a new teecore 21:21 <+bridge> ddnet* 21:21 <+bridge> and teeworlds will rest in peace 21:25 <+bridge> than just update the ui change and afk sitting emote and i will update 21:25 <+bridge> @Sorah things dont work like that 21:25 <+bridge> we simply dont do that 21:25 <+bridge> and you dont play 21:25 <+bridge> xD 21:25 <+bridge> ok i might be a bit rude 21:26 <+bridge> but thats the way it works 21:26 <+bridge> why would someone care u cant play cuz u decide to not update? 21:26 <+bridge> unless ur lucky enough forr another dev to waste their time on this 21:26 <+bridge> which i doubt 21:26 <+bridge> i dont even want a change for the ui 21:26 <+bridge> for once i wont a valild argument why no option gets added to have the old way back 21:27 <+bridge> the argument is it adds code complexity and maintenance burden to devs 21:27 <+bridge> this was told already lots of times 21:27 <+bridge> so did adding that stuff in the first place 21:27 <+bridge> and we dont need to explain again xD 21:27 <+bridge> https://tenor.com/view/looney-tunes-head-bang-no-i-cant-gif-18958372 21:27 <+bridge> trust me 21:28 <+bridge> play with it 21:28 <+bridge> after a week u will forget 21:28 <+bridge> the human mind is rly flexible 21:28 <+bridge> with these things 21:28 <+bridge> why is every argument you devs bring more against you than me 21:28 <+bridge> whatever 21:29 <+bridge> or u can just simply update! 21:29 <+bridge> such a easy solution 21:29 <+bridge> and nobodies time is wasted 21:30 <+bridge> Our argument is that it's harder for us to maintain the code when there are more options 21:30 <+bridge> 21:30 <+bridge> This specific one can be added and I would maintain it, but I literally don't have the time to add it and none of the other devs want to spend their time adding an option for the remaining holdouts that want the stars back 21:32 <+bridge> It's not that complex, it's not some convoluted reason. Nobody hates you for wanting to stay with the old ui. 21:32 <+bridge> 21:32 <+bridge> It's a simple issue, I don't have time. We don't force anyone to work on anything because we don't pay anyone 21:34 <+bridge> funny that you say force 21:34 <+bridge> before today i wasnt force to update now i am 21:35 <+bridge> i didnt mind not updating but since i need to now or otherwise i just cant join ddnet servers i feel now its forced on me 21:35 <+bridge> well for the forture 21:36 <+bridge> if you accept some random updates from some random new devs they should provide the requested options 21:36 <+bridge> A crash that will probably be fixed in max a week isn't forcing you to do anything. If you don't want to update, just wait. 21:36 <+bridge> ok that sounds good 21:37 <+bridge> dont promise stuff 21:37 <+bridge> this might involve complex stuff 21:38 <+bridge> did someone test if vanilla clients crash ? didnt ddnet wanted to be compatible with them 21:38 <+bridge> Is `UUID(NETMSG_CHECKSUM_REQUEST, "checksum-request@ddnet.tw")` send in antibot or is there something else different on official servers? Cause the crash is caused by this message and would be fixed on the client side by #5554. 21:38 <+bridge> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5554 21:38 <+bridge> Heinrich loves backcompat. No way he would let it slide 21:39 <+bridge> i would say he likes it when its not problematic 21:39 <+bridge> but well better himself express his opinion 21:39 <+bridge> he iis afk 21:42 <+bridge> what a lovely day it is 21:42 <+bridge> 🏕️ 21:42 <+bridge> isn't night? 21:59 <+bridge> @heinrich5991 what was the issue 21:59 <+bridge> DM me 22:00 <+bridge> ok 22:00 <+bridge> is it fixed on empty servers now? 22:00 <+bridge> yes :O 22:01 <+bridge> thank you heinrich :) :heartw: 22:01 <+bridge> u survived 22:02 <+bridge> but there will be a day 22:02 <+bridge> ik 22:02 <+bridge> shut up 22:02 <+bridge> that it will be inveitable 22:02 <+bridge> :( 22:02 <+bridge> 🙊 22:04 <+bridge> maybe its even the same day something useful is in the updates 22:08 <+bridge> u diminish the work of devs cuz u dont know the value of these updates 22:08 <+bridge> ungrateful 22:08 <+bridge> stale dev leads to what happened to tw btw 22:15 <+bridge> why doesnt this get voted? 22:15 <+bridge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1062842230588575764/image.png 22:15 <+bridge> veto 22:15 <+bridge> is it a bug or intended 22:15 <+bridge> ugh 22:15 <+bridge> ok 22:15 <+bridge> if someone has veto, then it won't go off until vetoer gets it off 22:16 <+bridge> when veto strikes back 22:16 <+bridge> when afker is vetoing :troll: 23:39 <+bridge> http://www.radgametools.com/oodle.htm 23:39 <+bridge> apparently this is used in the game dev world 23:39 <+bridge> ffxiv uses it