05:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Anime.pdf> Oke looks like i successfully woke up for advent of code :greenthing:
05:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> yeah it is
05:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> i started rewriting it at all and just pushed half of code that works
05:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> so now its broken
05:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> especially async version
05:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> and also logging has been changed so parser is also broken
07:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Voxel> Is there any way to use 2 differently sized images for one use case? Like, if there are 2 images, but one of them is merely an extension of the other one?
07:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Voxel> If I want to add extra emotes I want there to be backwards compatibility with the old format.
07:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Voxel> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1047756666080337980/image.png
07:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I don't think we have support for that yet
07:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Voxel> Aw :(
08:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> Best would be to make a new image so the old client just ignores the new one and keeps using the old
08:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Voxel> So then would I need to create an entirely new enum for that?
08:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> Well I hardly know anything about the inner workings of ddnet so I don't know what an enum is
08:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> I'm just saying it's better to create it as a seperate feature
08:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> Or integrate it into the existing
08:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Voxel> maybe
08:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I'd integrate it into the existing image
08:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> but I think best would be to ask for feedback from other developers @Voxel
09:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Don't integrate stuff into emotes. Just use a new image
09:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Plan carefully which emotes and fill all space
09:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> I'd seriously consider the amount of work required to do this bloat. It's currently allowed to have different height and width. So we'd need to detect at runtime if there are new emotes. Simply using a new image is much easier and we can abstract our current logic to work the same for both emote files
09:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Skystrife> Does anyone here know how to use HttpPostJson() to make an http request? I'm trying to make an in game translator using a free api I found, but am unable to get a response and just get an error
10:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> What is the error
10:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Also is the api even using json
10:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Skystrife> https://libretranslate.com/ is the api I'm using, and the state of the response is always error
10:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Skystrife> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1047805429142532096/image.png
10:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> No logs in console?
10:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> E.g. why it is error
10:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Skystrife> I think i might be formatting my request wrong and its giving an error as a response
10:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Skystrife> if I try to unpack the values without checking if the state() is HTTP_DONE then I get an error in console
10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Skystrife> I did have the data in my request formatted incorrectly, I figured it out 😄
11:16 <+ChillerDragon> @Patiga any idea why ipython doesnt wanna show the help page :(
11:17 <+ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1669889818.png
11:18 <+ChillerDragon> ops i mean this https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1669889873.png
11:18 <+ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1669889873.png
11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> what about help twmap.Map
11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i actually never used help xD
11:18 <+ChillerDragon> na none work :(
11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> help(twmap.Map)
11:18 <+ChillerDragon> na
11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> idk
11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> what about python
11:19 <+ChillerDragon> something is cursed w iypthon
11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> not ipython
11:19 <+ChillerDragon> python works fine
11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> ah
11:19 <+ChillerDragon> but ipythons autocompletion is cool
11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> then ipython suxs
11:20 <+ChillerDragon> got it
11:20 <+ChillerDragon> its ``twmap?``
11:20 <+ChillerDragon> trol
11:22 <+ChillerDragon> ok ipython is trash w twmap :(
11:24 <+ChillerDragon> omg ``breakpoint()`` also eats the help page watafak
11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Nice
11:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> 👍
11:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Interesting project btw.
11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Often heard about it. With an open tool we could maybe integrate it optionally in ddnet.. tho reading tos is hard
11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Since our player base is relatively huge we might create too much traffic^^
11:26 <+ChillerDragon> yo @Skystrife if you want some free api keys for libretranslate lemme know i run https://trans.zillyhuhn.com/
11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> chiller lgbt
11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Ah u can self host?
11:26 <+ChillerDragon> da
11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> well its libre
11:27 <+ChillerDragon> used on foxxonauts tw server for chat translate
11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> so if its gpl
11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> u should be able
11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> agpl
11:27 <+ChillerDragon> but its not very good
11:27 <+ChillerDragon> its pretty bad actually xd
11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xd
11:27 <+ChillerDragon> but super funny
11:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> any erlang experts here?
11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I'd disallow images that don't have the fixed aspect ratio instead. the problem with using more images is that it becomes harder to share emotes
11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> but that's basically why I asked for a discussion issue
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> I'd say it's harder if we don't split it. Bcs all current images are basically invalid then
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Or not useful have to be extended
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> all current images can continue to be shared
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Plus the extra code not nice
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> yes, I see that downside
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> there's extra code involved
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> that's bad
11:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Yes but e.g. if u want image for new emotes and like ur current. U have to extend ur current
11:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> yep
11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> but I would find it unlikely that this happens, they're usually in the same art style
11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> all of the emotes
11:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> But the new are more ddrace related or not?
11:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Do different art style maybe not bad
12:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> ChillerDragon: does `help(twmap)` work?
12:08 <+ChillerDragon> no
12:08 <+ChillerDragon> only ``twmap?`` but its way less feature complete
12:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Anime.pdf> Please change `trans` to `translate`, i nearly added it to firewall ban:monkalaugh:
12:40 <+ChillerDragon> hrhrhr
12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Skystrife> that'd be awesome!
13:15 <+ChillerDragon> how can i send you stuff without leaking it here? :D
13:15 <+ChillerDragon> @Ryozuki u here?
13:19 <+ChillerDragon> @Skystrife patiga should have sent you the key. It has 1028 requests per minute :)
13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Skystrife> damn nice 😄
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index> wowo, its finally time for the bash-madness again .__.
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index> ```bash
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index> #!/bin/bash
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index> # Advent of Code 01
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index> while read -r l; do
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index>     if [ -z "$l" ]; then
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index>         nm+=( "$c" )
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index>         c=0
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index>     else
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index>         c=$(( c + l ))
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index>     fi
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index> done < "$1"
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index> nms=$(xargs -n1 <<< "${nm[@]}" | sort -n)
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index> x1=$(tail -n1 <<< "${nms[@]}")
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index> x2=$(tail -n3 <<< "${nms[@]}" | xargs | tr ' ' '+' | bc)
13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index> echo "$x1 $x2"
13:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Index> ```
13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> <a:triggeredeyes:687352620540493887>
13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> leaking code
13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> Hi @Index , nice bash 😄
13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> That looks like something I could have written, haha
13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> and annoyed the other ddnet admins with
13:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Anime.pdf> :justatest:
14:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> My shell solution: `paste -s -d+ input|sed -e"s/++/\n/g"|bc|sort -n|tail -n1`
14:03 <+ChillerDragon> ``bc`` is non standard tho is it?
14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> > bc(1) is compliant with the IEEE Std 1003.1-2017 (“POSIX.1-2017”) specification.
14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> I made a repo for the answers, not sure yet if I'll participate for more than a few: https://github.com/def-/adventofcode-2022
14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Anime.pdf> My solution is dirty c++ code with stl and repeating code:monkalaugh:
14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> more important that it works
14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Anime.pdf> So true
14:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> tf single line tryhard
14:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> Last time I participated I made a point of using a different language for each solution: https://github.com/def-/adventofcode-2020 😄
14:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> Was so annoying towards the end when I ran out of good languages
14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> im gonna do advent in erlang
14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> cuz i need to learn it
15:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Is there a fastest code wins category?
15:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> no, its only about who coded it faster on the leaderboards
15:19 <+ChillerDragon> meh patiga making numpy fast is hard i wanna iterate over all tiles and do some comparisons and it is sooooooooooooooo slow
15:19 <+ChillerDragon> been reading numpy doc and SO for the whole day and aint getting any further
15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://ferd.ca/the-zen-of-erlang.html
15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> interesting read
15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> erlang is about letting things crash xd
15:30 <+ChillerDragon> ``tr '\n' ' ' | sed 's/  /\n/g' | sed 's/ /+/g' | sed 's/+$//g' | awk '{ print "echo $((" $0 "))" }' | bash | sort -n | tail -n 1``
15:30 <+ChillerDragon> pog
15:31 <+ChillerDragon> basically giving aoc RCE on my machine axaxax
15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Anime.pdf> You used swipl in both 1st and 19th day, not cool :feelsbadman:
15:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> we can do that between ourselves tho
15:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> the best would be to have a machine to run the code which we share
15:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> kek
15:45 <+ChillerDragon> what about running it in a pipeline?
15:45 <+ChillerDragon> should be benchmarking with same specs for all i hope
15:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Mh that's sad. So if u have no time u loose xd
15:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Yeah and no asm xd
15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> if u mean a ci pipeline no
15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> they have lot of noise
15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> maybe a RPI with a bare bones linux
15:52 <+ChillerDragon> How does one properly benchmark? Inst there a way to limit cpu speed to a fixed rate? Or count cpu cycles for a program?
15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> No smt and constant frequency sounds sane enough
15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> 10 runs per program
15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Rest is margin of error
15:59 <+ChillerDragon> lmao deen urs throws a error xd
15:59 <+ChillerDragon> ah hm its the empty line at the end of my input 
16:01 <+ChillerDragon> shieet deens is way faster than mine xd
16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> deen wizard
16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i mean urs runs sed 3 times
16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> vs 1
16:02 <+ChillerDragon> ikr
16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> bash for calculation is probably slower than bc
16:02 <+ChillerDragon> i assume its the seds
16:05 <+ChillerDragon> ayo at least im faster than @Index :p
16:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> wrong index lol
16:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> ChillerDragon: what kinds of comparisons? you usually do comparisons with the whole matrix element-wise, or with slices of it
16:07 <+ChillerDragon> i want to get the diff of layers
16:07 <+ChillerDragon> so i did a iteration and if statements and its unusably slow
16:07 <+ChillerDragon> with numpy magic i couldnt figure it out
16:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> something like `layer1 == layer2`
16:08 <+ChillerDragon> no
16:08 <+ChillerDragon> i want all the things that are different
16:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> this should give you a matrix where each element tells you if the tile at this position is different
16:08 <+ChillerDragon> like a list of tiles with their flags and coordinates that are diffenrnt
16:09 <+ChillerDragon> wait == doesnt return a bool but a array?
16:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> iirc, yes
16:09 <+ChillerDragon> wotefek
16:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> yup, tested it
16:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> with numpy, try to always make operations with the entire matrix or slices of it if possible. if you iterate over a numpy array manually for some matrix-wide operation, you are probably doing it sub-optimal
16:11 <+ChillerDragon> okay yea that array of bools is kinda cool
16:12 <+ChillerDragon> how do i get the only the elements that are true or false instead of the true and falses
16:12 <+ChillerDragon> yea i understood that much but idk how to operate on the whole matrix
16:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> that is mostly just internet searches for me ^^
16:13 <+ChillerDragon> didnt work for me :(
16:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> a, its `tiles1[tiles1 == tiles2]`
16:14 <+ChillerDragon> tried that
16:14 <+ChillerDragon> looks weird
16:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> it should give you the elements
16:14 <+ChillerDragon> ``[0 0 0 ... 0 0 0]``
16:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> right, you have a 3-dimensional array
16:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> and want a 2-dimensional array at the end
16:16 <+ChillerDragon> yea 2d would be cool but it needs to have all the info x,y,tile,flags
16:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> that would be a combination of `numpy.indices`, `numpy.equal`, `numpy.concatenate` and that mask-indexing thing
16:19 <+ChillerDragon> yikes wat
16:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> at least that would work
16:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> first do the equal things and figure out how to tell numpy to stop at the second axis to get the mask
16:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> then take the tiles you want and concatenate that matrix with the indices matrix
16:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> then index into those tiles with the mask
16:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> I think that would work, I don't have the time rn to figure each step out, hopefully the documentation helps you enough now ^^
16:22 <+ChillerDragon> oof
16:22 <+ChillerDragon> that sounds so complicated
16:25 <+ChillerDragon> i  think i rq for today but thanks a lot the == thing i would have never figured out
16:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> ah wait
16:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > Erlang uses the actor model, and each actor is a separate process in the virtual machine. In a nutshell, if you were an actor in Erlang's world, you would be a lonely person, sitting in a dark room with no window, waiting by your mailbox to get a message. Once you get a message, you react to it in a specific way: you pay the bills when receiving them, you respond to Birthday cards with a "Thank you" letter and you ignore the letters you c
16:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> 
16:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> too real
16:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> you can do `tiles1 == tiles2.nonzero()` to get the indices
16:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> then you could manually index into the matrix. if the diff isnt huge, then this should be fine
16:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> eh not sure, try it out I guess, gtg
16:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> and gl :)
16:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1047902150832959488/unknown.png
16:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i found some old hardware i had
16:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> the ram is 512MB xD
16:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> back when the ram didnt have fancy  gamerz heatsinks
16:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> poor pins
17:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> yeah
17:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> its broken
17:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> its stuck to the thermal paste xD
17:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> probs a pentium
17:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> its curious it doesnt have pins in the center
17:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> no, that's a socket 754 amd cpu
17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <funman> What year is that? I took apart a 2004 dell dimension and it looks similar. Only one stick of 512mb of ram☠️
17:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> I have 128mb and 256mb ram sticks sitting around somewhere :kek:
17:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> maybe same xd
17:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> it was from a pc tower i had
17:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> well the family had
19:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://security.googleblog.com/2022/12/memory-safe-languages-in-android-13.html
20:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1047963021026279515/image.png
20:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> This was very interesting to solve with javascript
20:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1047963916401131611/image.png
20:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> \*happy noises*
21:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Anime.pdf> 🥹
21:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> parentheses missing
21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> cool 🙂
21:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> https://security.googleblog.com/2022/12/memory-safe-languages-in-android-13.html
21:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> ah, old
21:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> :p
21:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> "As Android migrates away from C/C++ to Java/Kotlin/Rust"
21:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> 
21:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> remove Java & Kotlin and im fine
21:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> bcs thats the biggest trash about android
21:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> also sad that they didnt include java & c in older versions
21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> bcs the advanced usage of selinux is only android 8 thing iirc
21:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> to me the stats look like the number of vulnerables decreased faster than usage of rust. 
21:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> so there must be smth to it different than languages used, or not?
21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> anyway i think its a bad blog tbh
21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> 
21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i prefer clear data
21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Skystrife> Does anyone know how to make an async http request?  I'm currently doing it like this, but it freezes the game to make the request which is not ideal
21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Skystrife> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1047978748898721895/image.png
21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> this looks like marketing and i'm not really biggest android fan
21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> just look for other httppostjson jobs are called
21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> u are litteraly doing it sync
21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> happen to have a blog post on such a topic with clearer data? I'd be interested
21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> no, but do u feel like this blog is good?
21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh0Jc4WA4Zbch9KSu4ApG67kOIwSoxnTih3B43kfyr_nS8Q96-5eaS4l2Czb-ZDexcU6c5JMtnXboax5ZO1J0VbkqRKqfiIl5TtOfoTHmLiAivLPxRqpvTV1wJWNi0azR38SpKMFDLIcKjGRMwyOcKzdCEM4RBptIhVnR63DkWsg3brjQrG9D9rlAAvUA/s1600/Screenshot%202022-11-30%2011.08.27%20PM.png
21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> 
21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgK7bZcWqsUDmKTeZEvMXZDXDoGViXjhUmjmkIpG7OwCKVVRK2Ps7UqWzENqylekR3jREu5j6uCcMp6KXC52LY_0vsPO33_6fzZB1lgCEP5bhcU-D4B1EUxWrrhfAR4j3Pu_jiIGSlNrRSov58resIoQcAPuoxbeccvY6PbCPl3E9oFLuCivwFoT-lG5g/s1600/Screenshot%202022-11-30%2011.13.29%20PM.png
21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Skystrife> I know, I'm just a novice at c++ and I saw it done this way elsewhere in the code but didnt see an async way
21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> this does not look like it could only relate to languages used, except they purposly made the usage of rust where the vulnerables are
21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> ^ tho that would be surprising still
21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> the else where is async
21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> its not even just async
21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> it runs in a different thread
21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i dunno where u come from
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> its not like async in javascript
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> ye ii feel the blog is vague too
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> there is a job manager, basically a thread pool
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> and idc about java either xd
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> android shoudl use wasm
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> ez sandbox
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> correlation is not causation
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> no they should go rust
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> but not kotlin
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> this trash xd
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> + older distro have more vulnerabilities cause we had more time to find them
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> but they need a sandbox
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> and i want clear facts
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> wasm is perf
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> and rustcompiles to wasm
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i like stats but only if they well described
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> more time and more advanced tools
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> analytics
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://wasmer.io/
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> a wasm runtime
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> made in rust
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> no hate but asm is still slow
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> its basically like java vm
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> better stay for browsers with asm
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> use native rust
22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> wasm*^^
22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> ok ofc not that bloated
22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> idk if its that slow
22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> thats ofc impossible xd
22:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> if it has to run in an interpreter/vm
22:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> it must be slow by design
22:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> with very good jit u might get ok perf after a while, but first runs are usually slow
22:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> tbh idc about android
22:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> wasm is still only around js level
22:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> 
22:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> ofc wasm isnt as mature yet, it will defs beat js totally soon
22:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i just want browsers
22:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> to use wasm by default
22:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> and deprecate js
22:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> yes
22:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> me too
22:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> im sure the code quantity would decrese by millions
22:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> XD
22:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i hope more frameworks shift to wasm compatible languages
22:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> and best ofc in system level languages
22:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> bcs they best
22:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I think this is a lazy meme
22:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> tru xd
22:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> tell us what specifically you didn't like about the analysis
22:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> they didn't just post the graphs and say "clearly, this is the cause"
22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> (also, did you know that causation does not cause statistical correlation? and causation is a weird thing to define, anyway)
22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> didn't read the blog, just saw the graph @Not Keks posted
22:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> well they basically write the same in the blog
22:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> "While correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation, it’s interesting to note that the percent of vulnerabilities caused by memory safety issues seems to correlate rather closely with the development language that’s used for new code."
22:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> "We believe Android’s ongoing shift from memory-unsafe to memory-safe languages is a major factor."
22:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> 
22:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> We believe
22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i just wonder, doesnt a big company like google can give better statements than that
22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> anyway
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i just hope the ndk wont suck anymore in future xDDD
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i hate so much to call java code for everything
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> their whole security model is wrapped by java api
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> or kotlin
22:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> as i said, more time for older distro
22:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i mean its inherently difficult to provide "truth" claims on this maybe
22:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> and probably more used than most recent ones
22:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> do u mean old code is more safe?
22:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i dont directly udnerstand that
22:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> its not xd
22:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> no, just more time to investigate old code
22:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> i don't think android 13 is also more used than said android 11
22:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> ah
22:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> now i get it
22:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> lots of phone still relying on older release, so they are more interesting to investigate
22:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> true thats indeed also a problem
22:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> well anyway, if they use safe rust it must be memory safe
22:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> 
22:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> its just about the amount of rust they use yet
22:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> and yes ur are right too^^
22:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> we gotta wait a few years to be affirmative on this anyway
22:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> but then again
22:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> but i do hope rust will fill its promises 🙂
22:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> why didnt they include android 6+
22:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> would be much more interesting
22:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> rust is safer
22:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> it's google, obviously they are part and judge on their paper
22:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> but i guess u mean the promise that using c++ ultimately leads to memory unsafety even with experts
22:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> and that rust solves that
22:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://blog.readyset.io/bounds-checks/
22:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> interesting btw
22:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> mh yeah, but here again would be more interesting in a big code base. 
22:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> 
22:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> But i tell ya, even if rust would loose 10% perf
22:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> 
22:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> they would gain it, if we wouldnt design CPUs with rings xD
22:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> so stop this micro kernel bs and lets go smth new supervised
22:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> they actually gain perf here
22:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> alone the static linking
22:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> all the dead bloat code
22:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> gone
22:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> the bounds check added by rust enable some optimizations in this case
22:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xD
22:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> actually, new special loop instruction could be nice as well
22:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> all drivers in every app xDDDDDD
22:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> set register to boundary, and check that all access don't overflow at the hardware level
22:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> we shoudl advance the x86 arch to atleast skylake or smth
22:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> "we" ?
22:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> the world
22:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> well
22:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> guys, the world is not european or american. lot of people rely on old hardware
22:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> who cares
22:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> @Not Keks if we compiled official ddnet binaries with a more modern march would we increase overall perf for players?
22:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> x86-64-v4
22:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> depends
22:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> lets distribute in x86-64-v3 or x86-64-v4
22:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> generally probably a bit yes
22:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1047986451700252702/image.png
22:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> but e.g. c++ standard which we link might already be insanly optimized
22:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> so all calls to those might not really improve
22:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> can't you target specific instruction set features like AVX2 only?
22:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> yeah but most probably if the cpu has avx2 its v3
22:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> this baseline is established with intel and amd
22:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > In 2020, through a collaboration between AMD, Intel, Red Hat, and SUSE, three microarchitecture levels on top of the x86-64 baseline were defined: x86-64-v2, x86-64-v3, and x86-64-v4.[39][40] These levels define specific features that can be targeted by programmers to provide compile-time optimizations. The features exposed by each level are as follows:[41]
22:45 <+ChillerDragon> cursed but working interactive fifo prompt to administrate servers in 50 lines of bash with 0 planning or using any brain https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1669930903.png
22:45 <+ChillerDragon> you can't tell me any programming language can compete with that
23:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Anime.pdf> Python
23:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Anime.pdf> :monkalaugh:
23:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> https://www.deepmind.com/blog/mastering-stratego-the-classic-game-of-imperfect-information
23:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> did you see the diplomacy AI the other day?
23:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Man AIs are getting so fucin interesting lately
23:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> man AIs? soon AI AIs?
23:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> Hopefully