02:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] fully federated :pepeW: 02:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] mfw we are never getting accounts because we can't settle for anything less than perfect 02:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] :justatest: 💦 ok, I'm sure discord is still fine for tourneys as authentication 02:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] fully what 02:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] accounts good but the season 2 stuff discussed is meh unless its really good imo 02:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] Have to rip the bandaid sooner or later 02:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] There is no fix to the issue, have to just accept it and move on 02:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] wat issue 02:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] There is no way for us to identify and move 1000 peoples points to their new accounts 02:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh yeah 02:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] well the way i see it is that without adding some new substance, the season 2 is essentially just adding achievements and setting pointcount of everyone to 0 02:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] you forgot asia 😄 02:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] True, make it 3000 02:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] which will be fun for a while but will just become a chore at some point 02:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well if you come up with something, let us know 02:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] i say set points to 0, but then shove all the currently rls maps in "legacy" pool, limit achievements for legacy pool (maybe up to like get 10,000 legacy points) and release all future maps under quality rules and add new features 02:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just don't add accounts 4head isn't a good solution 02:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] You still lose your legacy points and have to get them back, how does that help? 02:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] but the legacy points are given less value 02:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Besides how is our entire map pool becoming legacy helping anyway? Most maps released meet pretty high quality standards anyway, not like mapping changed that much to justify archiving everything else 02:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] and you can focus on new released maps, possibly with diff features or ranking system 02:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes well that's an issue i guess, a lot of recent maps are very high quality 02:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] but over half of them aren't 02:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddmax, etc 02:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] the way i see it is if you set everyone back to square one, you should give something new or at least slightly changed to work to 02:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddmax and oldschool aside which are for archival mostly anyway, I think the rest of the pool is pretty clean except for some very ugly solo and run maps 02:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think becoming overly strict when it comes to maps / skins is a bad thing, you just end up with less options. 02:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] well i wrote on the github but my very radical view is remove all the jank tiles and jank maps for a new season 02:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think people would be more happy with a legacy point pool than not, because without a legacy pool it seems like they have to re-do all their progress 02:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Speeders and stoppers getting fixed up for a new season would be good imo 02:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Purging the entire map pool to legacy would imo be a little too radical 02:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] i support purging a large majority and hand-picking a lot of the better qualities and classics 🖐️\ 02:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] `2130 /var/www/releases/releases` we have upwards of 2k maps, I don't think we'll realistically be able to hand-pick much here 😛 02:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] well depending on the criteria you could 02:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe like the well-known ones 02:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ban stronghold 02:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] Accounts would give us some really neat ways to reward players, like account locked skins as rewards, unique server join messages, profile badges for achievements etc 02:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] I was going to suggest removing the ability to skip through kill tiles, doors, etc. But I know there's one map that requires passing through a door using said glitch 😅 02:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] see that's why you transfer all that stuff to legacy pool 02:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] and start off with clean tiles, maybe add in a weapon or some new (nicely working) tiles 02:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] encourage mappers to come back, and then hopefully all goes well 02:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] Accounts would give us some really neat ways to reward players, like account locked skins, unique server join messages, profile badges for achievements etc 02:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/engine/client/keynames.h 02:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] 02:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] this list shows f13-f24 as available keycodes, but the game doesnt seem to recognize f20-f24. Is this the case for anyone else? 02:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/engine/client/keynames.h 02:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] 02:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] this list shows f1-f24 as available keycodes, but the game doesnt seem to recognize f20-f24. Is this the case for anyone else? 02:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] Is it that the button doesn't seem to be recognized or if you do `bind f20 sth` it doesn't work? 02:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] ya 02:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] `bind f20 echo test` 02:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] works for 1-19 02:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] but is it the binding that doesn't work or is it that pressing the button doesn't trigger the bind 02:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] There should be a seasonal map pool 02:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] Which could function as a sort of monthly competition 02:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] good point, it seems to bind it but the button doesn't trigger it 02:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] as in, there's no errors when binding 02:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] With high quality maps 02:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hm, I don't even know how I'll test this, where did you even find a device with f20? 😄 02:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1041530876397363230/unknown.png 02:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol, i use via/vial keyboard firmware, it lets change any key on the keyboard to anything. I basically am finding "dummy keys" to put on my mouse, so I can set my mouse button to say f24, and then in game bind f24 to something 02:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] even on this monstrosity there is not even f13 02:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] can you try to bind something to f20 in the controls menu? 02:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] let me try 02:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] nope 02:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] doesn't work* 02:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ok, I have no idea how to debug this, I'll investigate how I can send an f24. If I can't I'll give you a test build to see what is going on there 02:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] awesome thanks 🙂 02:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you happen to have a logitech mouse, the ghub software lets you bind mouse keys to f24 02:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe autohotkey can send them too 02:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] looks like razer synapse also will let you 03:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] I have a logitech mouse, I'll try tomorrow 03:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] no rush, thanks a lot 03:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't care insofar that I don't use it. if someone wants to fix it (or report a problem via github issues), I'll take a look though 03:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] what specifically should I read? I read everything, but where do yo uwant a response (wasn't obvious to me) 03:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] actually i think f13-15 don't work either. 16 17 18 19 do tho 03:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] f13 seems to get registered as printscreen 03:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] scroll lock and pause too lol. I'll stop there but there seems to be quite a few 04:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] does anyone know if a player can skip a solo/unsolo tile with enought velocity? 04:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] does anyone know if a player can skip a solo/unsolo tile with enough velocity? 04:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] cant 04:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] only with ninja 04:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] No answer. More about what makes sense to be respected 09:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] f13-f15 usually are print, scroll lock and pause on "modern" keyboards 09:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah for sure, i just figured since they're listed in that keycodes page that they'd function as is 09:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes I agrea, if season 2 will happen then all old ddmax maps should be deleted from ddnet. @Learath2 Theres no point in keeping it as some sort of legacy (trash container - if no improvements would be done to those maps). 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] xddd 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's true that adding account support is really cool, though i'm afraid it will drive experienced/old players away from the game 09:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] i doubt it will drive then away, and if they do its their loss 09:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] I still don't know what's going to happen to top players ranks. Will they just disappear or smth? 09:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Will there be any rewards? 09:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] Idk 09:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] I see a simple solution to that. 09:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] You go into ranks and you see Season 2 ranks. 09:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] There would be some link or tab or "something" to make you see Season 1 ranks. 09:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] Season 1 ranks would be only as a "text" not assigned to anyone/anything (so no rewards for new accounts - you would spend tooo much time to try to verify that person is that actualy that person also season 1 ranks were cheated by all players even those top ones). 09:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] But they will be archived probs 09:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] They wont be deleted as in unrecoverable 09:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah its hard to give rewards to pre account players 09:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] There is just too much ppl 09:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] The website definitely needs a rework tho 09:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] Its just bad with all the scripts over the place etc 09:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] next issue is about season pass 10:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] My huffman doesnt work with the tw frequency table rip 10:29 <+ChillerDragon> F 10:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen Can this ban system come in another way instead of ip ban, I wonder if everyone is cheating 11:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://media.defense.gov/2022/Nov/10/2003112742/-1/-1/0/CSI_SOFTWARE_MEMORY_SAFETY.PDF :troll: 11:06 <+ChillerDragon> holy shit i just wrote 160 lines of argument parsing before actually starting to write a single line of script logic xxxxxxxxxxxxD 11:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] who delete link? 😄 11:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] Me 11:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] you are C++ developer? :troll: 11:07 <+ChillerDragon> hehe 11:07 <+ChillerDragon> why delete which link? 11:08 <+ChillerDragon> the memory saftey pdf? 11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Looked fishy 11:08 <+ChillerDragon> why delete o.o 11:08 <+ChillerDragon> wow 11:08 <+ChillerDragon> censorship at is finest 11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] `defense.gov` looked fishy? 11:08 <+ChillerDragon> ikr 11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] How does this link contributed to this conversation? 11:09 <+ChillerDragon> which conversation 11:09 <+ChillerDragon> we do share all kinds of things here 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] I would love to see a comment what is being send in here then instead of a random link 11:09 <+ChillerDragon> comment to what? 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] "link to xyz" 11:10 <+ChillerDragon> a 11:10 <+ChillerDragon> @Matodor go do proper marketing for your link. Myserious lack of information wont do here :p 11:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] okay 11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] In its report, the U.S. National Security Agency recommends abandoning the C and C++ programming languages, as they give hackers more opportunities to use exploits. The NSA cites statistics from Google and Microsoft, according to which about 70% of all vulnerabilities in the products of these companies are related to RAM security. 11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] Therefore, the NSA recommends that organizations switch to secure programming languages such as C#, Go, Java, Ruby, Rust, and Swift. This should help prevent certain types of memory-related vulnerabilities from occurring. 11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] LINK: 11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://media.defense.gov/2022/Nov/10/2003112742/-1/-1/0/CSI_SOFTWARE_MEMORY_SAFETY.PDF 11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] 11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Vy0x2 good enought? 11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1041656933280657498/unknown.png 11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] Looks much more trustworthy :) 11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh no a new mod is moderating #dev 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Time to hide my rust propaganda 13:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki do you use plotters to make graphs or no? 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or what's the best 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] I use plotters 13:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok ok 14:15 <+ChillerDragon> ryo just come to irc side no censorship overhere hehe 14:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] We should make a new ddnet web with the backend in rust 14:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASED: 14:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] No need to use rust for everything :feelsbadman: 14:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] Fake news 14:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] In regards to the GH discussion about accounts: Will "legacy" points be removed? 14:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] They could just be shown as "unverified points" or whatever on profiles in the new accounts system 15:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Problem is we'll have discord like account names, so "Learath2#1253" which one of the many possible Learath2's do the legacy points go to? 15:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] If we could find a way to associate them to the accounts we wouldnt need to do the legacy thing to start with tbh 15:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] Poggers 15:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] When do servers start reporting the new info 15:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] Gotta collect stats 15:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm gonna farm new accounts so I get my discord name and discriminator 15:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] :greenthing: 15:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] You all misunderstood konsti's comment smh. It does actually work well as is. For him that is 15:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] He wants his god given right to be racist damnit. Is it so hard to understand? 15:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok i propose a new schematic :bluekitty: 15:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] Given deen merged it I'll guess as soon as compilation is done 15:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well and the servers restar 15:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] The only thing im wondering here is if deen will implement it all himself or will we have a roadmap 15:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] I personally want to be involved in making this 15:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's a massive amount of work. I'm sure we can all share some 15:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 true, but sometimes its easier for 1 to do it all 15:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] Unless its organized 15:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] E.g we need to plan it all out before starting 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] Imho 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] no u shouldnt let one person do all of smth big like that 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] U dont understand what i mean 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] There are some individual components that can be collaborated on, a central authentication server and a frontend to manage the accounts will be needed 15:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 a website rework would come nicely along s2 15:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Its due imho 15:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] It doesnt have to come at the exact same time as accounts tho 15:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think our best bet to get this done is to not expand the scope too much 15:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ye 15:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 its so frustrating cuz its hard/impossible to replicate the ddnet web locally 15:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] And thats vital to dev 15:20 <+Ryozuki> https://github.com/edg-l/ddnet-web-modern 15:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah. I have to take a leap of faith when I edit anything on ddnet-web 15:20 <+Ryozuki> i should continue this 15:20 <+Ryozuki> it uses python cuz otherwise deen wouldnt accept it ever 15:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Test on production gang 15:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd honestly be more comfortable having the web backend in a common web dev language too. Php, python, js 15:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Web people interested in contributing are more likely to know those than rust 15:21 <+Ryozuki> yeah 15:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Why not react like the proto type i once shared and for scripts dont care. Json for all data 15:21 <+Ryozuki> well i would avoid php as much as possible 15:21 <+Ryozuki> im the only web people interested as far as i know 15:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm a weirdo that does like php, at the very least over python 😄 15:22 <+Ryozuki> xd 15:22 <+Ryozuki> i prefer python over php 15:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] Thats not hard 15:22 <+Ryozuki> but ultimately rust 15:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] My distaste for python has grown to overwhelm even my distaste for Java 15:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] But php still shit xd 15:23 <+Ryozuki> lets just do it all in js 15:23 <+Ryozuki> xd 15:23 <+Ryozuki> such a waste of cpu cycles 15:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] OH let's make an ASP.NET backend 15:23 <+Ryozuki> ew 15:23 <+Ryozuki> c# devs think their lang is the best 15:23 <+Ryozuki> but its cuz they dont know rust 15:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oooor a Java EE backend like all the cool enterprises 15:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] We can be a cool corporation. DDNet Inc. 15:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] you could just show it for all # account 15:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] you could just show it for all # accounts 15:24 <+Ryozuki> i would do the backend with and the frontend with sveltekit 15:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe seek some profits, turn a couple orphans into biodiesel 15:25 <+Ryozuki> i never been more confident over a type safe API before using axum 15:25 <+Ryozuki> its amazing 15:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess we could. It's technically not any worse than it is right now 15:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] why is it decided like this :( 15:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] I would probably go for something a little less cutting edge. Symfony and PHP for the backebd, vuejs for the frontend. Mostly because I'm more familiar with those really 15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's what everyone does? Idk if you have a better idea you can add it in the github issue 15:27 <+Ryozuki> oof 15:27 <+Ryozuki> php blegh 15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Steam doesn't add a discriminator at all. Riot let's you pick the discriminator. Those are the only other options I can think of right now 15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] What about Go? Its syntax sucks af but it is pretty good for the use-case of a web-backend 15:27 <+Ryozuki> nonono 15:27 <+Ryozuki> if u use go 15:27 <+Ryozuki> im not touching it 15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] fair 15:28 <+Ryozuki> if we use go we should use rust 15:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't really like it either 15:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] If we are going to use something like Go, I'd prefer Rust 15:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] The reason I want to stick to php or python is that it's just more likely we'll get help on it 15:28 <+Ryozuki> help from who? 15:28 <+Ryozuki> i am here 15:28 <+Ryozuki> i know u dont trust me kek 15:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] This is the only real Go project I have written and IMO its syntax is annoying: https://codeberg.org/Scrumplex/skinprox 15:28 <+Ryozuki> but ive been here for 9 years now 15:29 <+Ryozuki> and im sure there are lot of rust enthusiasts 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Not sure if PHP is a good idea. But Python *could* be fine 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] You are here until I make you mad with some clippy slander. What if you disappear? 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe a framework like FastAPI 15:29 <+Ryozuki> im still here after heinrich clippy slander 15:29 <+Ryozuki> u just have to do what clippy says kek 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean it is good on discord or steam bcs u can have ur nickname but in game it is better to be unique 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Understandable. I seem to be the only person that enjoys anything about PHP 😄 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] i don't wanna be referred as nori7757 or something like that 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Fwiw the discriminator we probably wouldn't display on screen 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] If there was a modern PHP runtime, that would get rid of mod_php and FPM-based hosting I would consider using it again 15:30 <+Ryozuki> Ryozuki#6969 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe only display it grey'd out when you hold down the expand chat bind? 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] sounds good to me 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] Also show the discriminator in tab but slightly muted 15:31 <+Ryozuki> yeah 15:31 <+Ryozuki> i actually rly wanna make a better ddnet website 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] Why do you not like fpm? I kinda like the idea behind fastcgi 15:31 <+Ryozuki> so much potential 15:31 <+Ryozuki> imagine this https://tetr.io/ 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] i don't know it doesn't look good in game someone else can fake you if it is greyed out 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://scrumplex.rocks/img/1668436345.png 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] left side what's shown by default 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] right side when holding tab or expanding chat 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anyway, gtg, several pages of signal analysis proofs await me. I have to stop procrastinating 15:33 <+Ryozuki> im porting ddnet huffman to rust as is 15:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Unique names are I think a no go. Trolls will just steal all the big names in an hour 15:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] We'd have to hand verify the top 400 or so players to help them get their names back 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] Im not top 400 anymore i think 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] F 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] I mean they can do the same right now already 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] It would be a small gain but a gain nonetheless if the discriminator is minimized 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] also you should keep trolls from mass registering accounts (aka using a bot to pretty much make every name obsolete) 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Also: That's how Discord is doing it here so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Friends will probably keep the heart they have now, so you can trust a friend without having to check the discriminator I guess 15:35 <+Ryozuki> ill do a repost from what i posted on gh: 15:35 <+Ryozuki> Accounts have obvious benefits: 15:35 <+Ryozuki> it gives players more authorship over their achievements, you can keep track of their records, history, etc. 15:35 <+Ryozuki> Makes extreme trolls easier to handle, for example, there could be a lockdown chat mode in servers where players with accounts not older than x days or minutes can't talk. 15:35 <+Ryozuki> You can have badges that promote involvement in the community: map tester, developer, wiki editor, moderator, translator, tournament winner, donator, etc 15:35 <+Ryozuki> Other players can't finish under your account unless you explicitly go out of your way to handle them your credentials, right now anyone can finish for you even if you don't want it. 15:35 <+Ryozuki> Maps can be bound to author accounts 15:35 <+Ryozuki> Skins can be bound to author accounts 15:35 <+Ryozuki> cool ideas kek 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hot 15:37 <+Ryozuki> no u 15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] What about making old names claimable like how renames work? x points above nicknames are blocked and you have to prove it to claim it back 15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] just a suggestion :d 15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] i also have almost all my runs as demos. Could maybe use those as proof as well 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] This is the entire thing we are trying to avoid. It's an absurd amount of work and the proofs are pretty manual 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] We have to hand verify demos 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] auto verify using teehostorian 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] auto verify using teehistorian 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] (i dont know how long teehistorian stores demos) 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] And you can craft these demos btw. Technically if you want to fool us into giving you someone elses points 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] Forever 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean everybody active also known in discord right? advantage of having small community :d 15:40 <+Ryozuki> not so small now 15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] can't you just do "sha256(uploaded demo) == sha256(teehistorian demo)"? 15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] (I have no idea how teehistorian works) 15:40 <+Ryozuki> teehistorian stores demos differently 15:40 <+Ryozuki> way more stripped down 15:40 <+Ryozuki> iirc 15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Teehistorian is a completely different format. And it stores entire servers at a time, not per run 15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh 15:41 <+Ryozuki> @Learath2 i dont think konsti will bring any useful arguments to that gh discussion 15:41 <+Ryozuki> and it will just derail the convo 15:41 <+Ryozuki> and we wont be productive 15:41 <+Ryozuki> btw 15:41 <+ChillerDragon> SCROMPLEX 15:41 <+ChillerDragon> i fan 15:41 <+ChillerDragon> kromep,euwuw 15:41 <+Ryozuki> i like scrumplex, but i dont like he likes CoCs 15:41 <+Ryozuki> kek 15:41 <+ChillerDragon> wots cos 15:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] OMG CHILLDRAGOON!!!! 15:41 <+ChillerDragon> daaa 15:42 <+ChillerDragon> clash of clans? 15:42 <+Ryozuki> code of conduct 15:42 <+ChillerDragon> a 15:42 <+ChillerDragon> xd 15:42 <+Ryozuki> usually a political agenda 15:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess we could ban Konsti on github 15:42 <+ChillerDragon> oof 15:42 <+ChillerDragon> why 15:42 <+ChillerDragon> rip pink rat what did i miss 15:42 <+Ryozuki> can u jut make him not be able to chat in that specific discussion 15:42 <+Ryozuki> he sometimes reports useful stuff iirc 15:42 <+ChillerDragon> stop censor ping rat he is OG 15:43 <+Ryozuki> he made his point and will jut repeat it endlessly 15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't know if github has that finegrained of moderation tools available 15:43 <+ChillerDragon> i big konsti fan 15:43 <+Ryozuki> not giving a fuck about arguments 15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] does QuakeNet not have TLS? 15:43 <+Ryozuki> nah 15:43 <+Ryozuki> i was surprised too 15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] F 15:43 <+ChillerDragon> gamers dont need tls 15:43 <+Ryozuki> we should move to libera.chat 15:43 <+ChillerDragon> mainstream 15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] b-but it's free! 15:43 <+ChillerDragon> cringe 15:43 <+Ryozuki> ChillerDragon: u are mainstream 15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe OFTC 15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] less mainstream 15:43 <+Ryozuki> i bet you are not on rizon ChillerDragon 15:44 <+ChillerDragon> wat rizon? 15:44 <+ChillerDragon> amd? 15:44 <+Ryozuki> there are shitload of channels there with real "free speech" 15:44 <+ChillerDragon> i use intel btw 15:44 <+Ryozuki> and its just ppl saying the n word xD 15:44 <+Ryozuki> ChillerDragon: rizon is like the irc server of 4chan 15:44 <+ChillerDragon> a 15:44 <+ChillerDragon> no idk it 15:44 <+Ryozuki> rizon.net 15:44 <+ChillerDragon> but i play on fokkos srv and 2b2t lot of n word there 15:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm just excited for accounts so we can finally remove konsti 15:44 <+ChillerDragon> not cool! 15:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] what u guys thoughts on legacy map pool :justatest: 15:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] i can name a lot of benefits 15:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] For an entire decade spammed racial slurs all over the place like a degenerate without any consequences 15:45 < scrumplex> woo 15:45 <+Ryozuki> i think more than a decade 15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] remove multeasy :trollface: 15:46 <+Ryozuki> we should put the cryptography part of the account auth under rust code 15:46 <+Ryozuki> now that we have rust support 15:48 <+ChillerDragon> did konsti put racial slurs on github or what? 15:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] i love old hh maps and can play them over and over so 15:49 <+ChillerDragon> I disagree with konstis racism but I do like him as a player and mapper! 15:49 <+ChillerDragon> its all about the game 15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://scrumplex.rocks/img/1668437404.png :( 15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] I am worried about have too few maps and not a lot of maps being released soon.. 15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] I am worried about having too few maps and not a lot of maps being released soon.. 15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] +1 this having rust for only rust_version kinda :D 15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] Qnet is ancient 15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] ur still able to play rhem in legacy 15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] its just not worth season 2 points 15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah same. ive grown some skin to just ignore konstis toxic mindset 15:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'll be honest. I don't particularly like it. A huge part of this game is it's "legacy". The old maps are not particularly any less ddnet than the newer maps 15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] for sure, i just think it lessens the blow on ppl who already grinded all of them / don't wanna play them again 15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] but people who like them can still play anytime 15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] And zombieToad :monkalaugh: 15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] If we don't put them on DDNet season 2, someone else will host them and they get all the players, then season 2 = dead 15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] You can notice that the players play a handful of maps over and over again. I think the season 2 maps won't have enough of those addictive maps to succeed at all 15:54 <+Ryozuki> i like the old maps to be there in season 2 too 15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe dont handpick some good maps, but handpick the few very bad maps to remove them 15:54 <+Ryozuki> i dont rly like legacy maps idea 15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah same 15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] i don't like the idea either 15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess his point is that we host the legacy maps too, they are just worth less points 15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] will ddmax still stay a thing? 15:55 <+Ryozuki> probs yes 15:56 <+Ryozuki> now u invoked tsin here 15:56 <+Ryozuki> shame on u 15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1041728237249757214/20221114_165520.gif 15:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] mom come pick me up konstis calling females as "him" again 15:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] Mom come pick me up konstis calling me a moslem again 16:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] Why keeping thousands of oldschool, outdated maps? 16:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] In 5 years ddnet will have over 3000 maps probably. 16:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] Imagine face of a newcomer that has to finish all of these long, bad designed, old maps to get a better rank. :justatest: 16:00 <+Ryozuki> they are not forced to finish em 16:00 <+Ryozuki> and imho its normal 16:01 <+Ryozuki> if you want to be in the top you gotts work for it 16:01 <+Ryozuki> like the rest 16:01 <+Ryozuki> otherwise just play for fun 16:02 <+Ryozuki> so many new ppl in dev chat today 16:02 <+Ryozuki> :justatest: 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Is ddnet about speedrunning or completing hell ton of maps 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Both 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hype news in announcements :greenthing: 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Understandable 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] One is perfectionist, the other completionist 16:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] I like ddnet as sandbox, you can literally finish 5* insane after 20 hours of tryharding and go kill some mobs in dungeons or play minigames 16:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] and theres a third: the social 16:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ao much fun 16:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] So much fun 16:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] ppl who just afk in maps and talk to other tees 16:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] some day i wanna make a mansion map with all the neccesary afk social's wants 16:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] tw is the best chatroom 16:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] I have an idea. How about instead of moving all maps to legacy, we also start counting season points? 16:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Finishing all maps released in a season and getting all season points would be a new goal for people 16:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] How long is a season though? And how many maps it'll have on average? Sounds like a fun idea to me. 16:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] The main issue still remains, adding season points to old points doesn't guarantee that player had this nickname before 16:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] right now? a season is 10 years 16:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] :troll: 16:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] The old points I've already given up on. They just won't be moved to accounts unless someone comes up with a genius idea 16:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] Lets collect unique sensitive data and if user told lie we will sue them and sell his data on the internet :troll: 16:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] I mean lie about his old nickname 16:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] i love being blackmailed! :soulless: 16:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] sue them to who? ddnet police? 16:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] i better get a ddnet lawyer in that case :justatest: 16:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] eg. Mr.Gh0s7 using this color as a skin (super sensitive data) 16:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] Mfw can't sue people for ddosing us but sue them for lying on the internet 16:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ur id and ur moms adress 16:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] Exactly, we will give 10k points to world leaders so they will add new laws 16:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] I prefer 0 id and my moms address is 192.168.1.1 16:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] :feelsbadman: invalid format 16:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1041733379479052288/shot_20221114_171537w.png 16:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] I cant sell that id :feelsbadman: 16:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah bcs I own it 16:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] isn't this same as legacy pool but just backwards 16:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] but this is a good idea too 16:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Exactly. Make new maps special without deprecating the old ones 16:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] btw id be glad to work on any map related stuff for s2 if it becomes flushed out 16:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Essigautomat are you still working on the material layer 16:39 <+Ryozuki> https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/57349 16:39 <+Ryozuki> some day 16:39 <+Ryozuki> > Basically, because &mut references are unique in rust, mutations (except through interior mutability) are not actually observable. Therefore, mutation can be supported in const contexts. i.e.: 16:39 <+Ryozuki> &mut arguments could be accepted 16:39 <+Ryozuki> locals could be mutably borrowed (&mut expressions) 16:39 <+Ryozuki> non-initialization assignments could be made (x = y; or *x = y;). 17:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASEDDEPT: 17:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hello, its happening 17:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] wow 17:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] I gave my thoughts 17:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] On gh 17:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] i like the fun achievements 17:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] or trackers 17:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] not all is needed but maybe one or two 17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] My dream for a modern web shattered again 17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] Current web sux 17:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] I remember teerace already had some kind of achievements in past 17:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1041752802050986094/image.png 17:35 <+Ryozuki> https://uniqueclan.net/ 17:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] the users achieved stats doesnt seem right 17:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] 97 people finished 1000 runs but only 7 has 24h playtime? 17:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] or 20 players with 5k runs 17:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] and only 7 with 24h palytime 17:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] and only 7 with 24h playtime 17:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] lmao 17:42 <+Ryozuki> you know race has rly short maps 17:42 <+Ryozuki> like 7 seconds 18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hi me Tsin =] 19:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki https://www.phoronix.com/news/Godot-4.0-Movie-Maker 19:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] 19:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] godot next blender confirmed xd 19:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol 20:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/pacak/cargo-show-asm 21:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Not Keks gg 21:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] we got no js web people here 21:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] What do you need? 21:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] kind of wanted to make a more modern website 21:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] with e.g reactjs 21:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] VueJS 21:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Faster learning curve than React ( facebook bs lol ) 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] i already know react 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] and reactjs is better imho 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] ew 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] facebook sucks but their engineers know their stuff 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean if it were me i wouldnt use js 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] i would use rust compiled to web assembly 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you want the latest tech stack go for svelte 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] but thats too modern 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] svelte is not latest 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] but yeah i would use svelte too 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://yew.rs/ 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] this is bleeding edge tech 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] svelte is currently top notch afaik 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] most hyped used framework 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] but more ppl know react 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] anyway the point is 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] the current website is basically python print statements 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] anything is better than that 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] and they are scripts spread across folders in different repos 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] its insane xd 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] i cant replicate t he website locally 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] its just pain 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] Nah, nothing is better than python :pepeH: 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Avolicious and the python print s are not even f strings 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] they use old style & 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] % 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] and with 30 arguments 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] Okay, you fucked up with python 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] why are you doing that 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] deen* 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😢 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] deen made that xd 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] xD 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well, its still supported in 3.6 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] and upper 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] but 3.7 is recommending f-strings 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] ```python 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] print >>out, u'

%sDifficulty: %s, Points: %d
%s
%d tee%s finished%s
%d team%s finished%s

' % (mbReleased, escape(renderStars(stars)), globalPoints(type, stars), quote_plus(originalMapName), escape(normalizedMapName), mbMapInfo, finishTimes 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] print >>out, printTeamRecords("Team Records", "teamrecords", teamRanks, not country) 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] print >>out, printSoloRecords("Records", "records", ranks, not country) 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] ``` 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] its python 2 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] not even 3 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] we are doomed 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] Naaaah fair enough 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] trust me i spend one day to figure this out 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] and i edited smth i dont remember now xd 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] python 2 is eol since 2020 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] 2 years after is still good 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] look at banking software written in cobol 21:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] they support their 1950s language till 2022 21:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] im sure its more maintainable 21:36 <+bridge> [ddnet]