01:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] anyone know how to fix that fucking bug that mouse goes in the 2ndscreen 01:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] anyone know how to fix that fucking bug when mouse goes in the 2nd screen 01:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] anyone know how to fix that fucking bug when mouse goes in the 2nd screen, and put game in background when you click 01:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] f1? 01:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 01:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] doesn't work 01:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] windowed fullscreen 01:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] or borderless i think its called 01:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] doesn't work 01:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] unplayable, I rq 01:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] you need some kind of "always on top" program to make exclusive fullscreen applications not minimize when you click second monitor, theres dozens of them they all do exactly what you want 01:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] 01:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] skill issue 01:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] it was fine before 01:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe cuz I run another game 01:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk 01:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Should i change to windows with wsl instead of linux if only reason behind using it is easy packaging, 'better performance' and sometimes w/easier development, but i cant use fav software and play fav games (wine/proton dont help) 02:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] Should i change to windows with wsl instead of linux if only reason behind using it is easy packaging, 'better performance' and sometimes easier development, but i cant use fav software and play fav games (wine/proton dont help) 02:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] the intended behavior is that the window minimizes 02:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Chairn I have tried the twmap on a fresh python setup, which worked just fine once it was installed 02:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] or, at the very least `import twmap` worked, thats where yours broke, right? 07:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] It literally started happening to me too recently 07:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] I have the game on fullscreen and when there is a window under the game like browser or file explorer my mouse can get stuck on it sometimes preventing me from interacting with the game 07:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] But I didn't know that you can set ddnet to always on top 08:20 <+ChillerDragon> yo @Robyt3 got a low hanging fruit client crash in teeworlds for you :) 08:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] What games and software do we talk about^^ 08:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://bevyengine.org/news/bevy-0-9/ 08:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] Holy 08:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] A big update 08:56 <+ChillerDragon> did u even ever try to use bevy? 09:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye 09:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] its rly gud 09:07 <+ChillerDragon> nice 09:07 <+ChillerDragon> still trying to figure out multi cursor plugin :( 09:07 <+ChillerDragon> https://camo.githubusercontent.com/9c5b7bf8ca253ce630841c19212d1ff01616a04899643dad972453769f6581b1/68747470733a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f646b6e736a66622e676966 09:07 <+ChillerDragon> any idea what "M" referrs to? 09:08 <+ChillerDragon> or better "M-j" 09:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] press M 09:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] and then j 09:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] M with shift iirc since its cap 09:11 <+ChillerDragon> so shift + m ? 09:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye 09:11 <+ChillerDragon> does not spawn cursors :( 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk bro 09:12 <+ChillerDragon> sad 09:12 <+ChillerDragon> do u even vim 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] u just dont know how to use it 09:12 <+ChillerDragon> rude 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] blame urself 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] and go to a corner 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] and cry 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] :PES3_WeirdSip: 09:12 <+ChillerDragon> bra obv idk how to 09:13 <+ChillerDragon> because the docs make no sense or are outdated 09:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok first 09:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont support vim users 09:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] only neovim 09:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] im based 09:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] and why dont u use ctrl + v 09:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] imagine a child being raised with things like neovim and rust 09:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] what would they be like 09:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] good programmers probs 09:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hmm I use vis which have mutliple cursors. In normal mode I tap Ctrl+J and it spawns another cursor. Mutli-cursoring is really powerfull tbh 09:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] or atleast a higher understanding of computers 09:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] than normies 09:14 <+ChillerDragon> idk how to do proper word jumping with ctrl v 09:14 <+ChillerDragon> ctrl+v is so blocky 09:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] wait so what does it mean to use multiple cursors 09:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] i'll send vid 09:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] u dont rly need multiple cursors 09:17 <+ChillerDragon> so i got this: https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1668327418.png 09:17 <+ChillerDragon> i want the ``= attr[..]`` applied for like 6-2 09:18 <+ChillerDragon> in vscode i would do multi cursor select and copy all words and add = attr[: paste in and add ] 09:18 <+ChillerDragon> idk how to copy words of different length in vim 09:19 <+ChillerDragon> or append at the end of lines of different length 09:21 <+ChillerDragon> in vscode i do dis: https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1668327594.png https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1668327605.png type ``attr[:`` https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1668327631.png 09:21 <+ChillerDragon> @Ryozuki how would you do that? 09:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk 09:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] took me a while (played with obs) 09:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1041266679222648902/PointsVoxel.mp4 09:22 <+ChillerDragon> wait the magic m is typing /M ?! 09:22 <+ChillerDragon> xd 09:23 <+ChillerDragon> can you leak your keypresses pls? 09:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] no after I have multiple cursors I type /M to find the start of the M 09:23 <+ChillerDragon> a 09:23 <+ChillerDragon> shiet 09:23 <+ChillerDragon> makes sense 09:23 <+ChillerDragon> u use diff plugin anyways so i rip 09:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] I use vis not a plugin xD 09:23 <+ChillerDragon> okay hacker 09:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] 🥼 09:24 <+ChillerDragon> vi studio 09:24 <+ChillerDragon> ? xd 09:24 <+ChillerDragon> i feel like i will never get rid of my workflow of switching from vs to vim and back whenever i see fit xd 09:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/martanne/vis 09:26 <+ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 @deen u also vim mains how do you solve the problem of copying a word from one position in a line to another position in a line on multiple lines at once? 09:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] I also found this plugin idk if it's any good though https://github.com/erf/vis-cursors 09:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://xkcd.com/1319/ 09:34 <+ChillerDragon> that xkcd is tru for sure but you also learn more than doing stuff manually and you do get better at predicting when and how useful automation would be 09:36 <+ChillerDragon> the most profit you get is if your automation tool can be easily adapted for other repetetive tasks 09:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] :soulless: 09:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] good thing i never start any of my "automation" ideas 10:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's already fixed by https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/pull/2931, which should fix all of the datafile errors. I never got around to testing this with all maps though to see if some existing maps no longer load properly. 10:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] found a bug in my teeint 10:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] `result |= ((current_byte & mask) << shift) as i32;` 10:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] should be 10:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] `result |= (current_byte as i32 & mask) << shift;` 10:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] gg 10:43 <+ChillerDragon> Yea kinda expected that it might be fixed judging by the amount of pening prs ._. 10:43 <+ChillerDragon> Oy has been dark for a while 10:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] tw ded 10:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddnet where its at 10:44 <+ChillerDragon> oof 10:45 <+ChillerDragon> yo @Ryozuki btw did my unit tests for the packer help you in any way or did it inspire you or something? :D 10:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] i used some 10:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] but cvariableint had some tests 10:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] thanks to the roundtrip test i found the bug 10:46 <+ChillerDragon> pog 10:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/bc4a5ee6f5dbfd1e144071dd7ef63c23f91f0480/src/test/compression.cpp#L9 10:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk if its urs 10:47 <+ChillerDragon> no :( 10:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, its by robyt 10:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] u nobo chiller 10:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASED: 10:47 <+ChillerDragon> oof 10:47 <+ChillerDragon> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/bc4a5ee6f5dbfd1e144071dd7ef63c23f91f0480/src/test/packer.cpp 10:47 <+ChillerDragon> i added those with nice ASCII art 10:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] im not doing packer yet 10:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think ill make a packet parser now 10:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2/blob/master/doc/packet.md 10:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] but like rly low level 10:48 <+ChillerDragon> assembly 10:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] nah i mean i wont put a list of packet enums or smth u know 10:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] just parsing 10:49 <+ChillerDragon> my tests are also just for AddInt() 10:50 <+Ryozuki> how to disable highlights from the bridge 11:03 <+ChillerDragon> ou idk i never cared tbh 11:03 <+ChillerDragon> gotta rename on irc or discord :p 11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] So just CNetPacket and CNetChunk? 11:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye 11:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Games like Disco Elysium, Stalker, modded among us dont work at all, from software i'd love to use Photoshop, premiere and after effects again 12:06 <+ChillerDragon> i never used photoshop or premiere but also never felt like i was missing out when using gimp and kdenlive 12:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] kdenlive fucking sux, gimp fucking sux, at least it feels like it, i used adobe for few years and didn't get a single issue with it, kdenlive broke few my saves, had render artifacts, crashed and lagged, gimp is just confusing, buttons are located in weird placed and do weird stuff sometimes 12:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] And not mentioning a LOT of community plugins and tutorials for adobe software 12:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.protondb.com/app/632470 12:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] stalker has many different games 12:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.protondb.com/app/20510 12:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] but most have gold or platin 12:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Didnt work for me, Disco Elysium just froze on loading screen and after some time crashed because of memory overflow (around 16gb) 12:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] some ppl post suggestions 12:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] e.g. 12:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] PROTON_USE_WINED3D11=1 %command% 12:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] sometimes changing proton version helps 12:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] but i cannot judge anyway 12:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] probs depends on ur setup 12:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] without amd master race u doomed on linux anyway 12:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u want to game 12:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] Gimps total refusal of making their UX closer to the industry standard is so annoying. It worked so well for blender too, idk why they resist it so much 12:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] Software itself is actually almost as powerful as photoshop. It just has such a freaky UX 12:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] Linux is worst os for desktop, nothing works from the box, you need to compile and fix your system youself 12:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] anyway. since u asked what os u should use 12:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] i'd say either dual boot, since u seem to use windows software that doesnt run on wine yet. Switch to linux for stuff like emulators, coding, gaming in most cases etc., else windows 12:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] or windows only 12:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] u meant windows xD 12:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] KDE works smooth af out of box 12:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] Proton works surprisingly well for me. I only have to reboot into windows for genshin impact, league, valorant and tarkov. Anticheats are so intrusive now 12:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] and is highly customizable without stupid registry hacks 12:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hm, you don't have to use arch or gentoo you know? A lot of distros offer an OOBE like windows 12:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] the fact that windows 11 forces me to group same apps is just a joke 12:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] anti productivity 12:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Never used kde tbh, i used ubuntu and fedora (wont mention arch cuz i couldnt set it up), it was a bit easier with fedora but both had a lot of crashes and bugs everywhere and to fix that i needed to install that that that then so that that that and after, maybe, it will work 12:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Never used kde tbh, i used ubuntu and fedora (wont mention arch cuz i couldnt set it up), it was a bit easier with fedora but both had a lot of crashes and bugs everywhere and to fix that i needed to install that that that then do that that that and after, maybe, it will work 12:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] I personally enjoy starting from a bare bones system, but I know it's not for everyone. You have to know exactly what you want in that case, most people don't care about that level of customization and for them we have things like ubuntu, pop os, etc 12:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah gnome sucks 12:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats correct 12:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u come from windows u have to use kde ofc 12:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] gnome is the worst shit invented anyway xD 12:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] i used it for over 1 year. and it sucks 12:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] xD 12:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] I used it for a whopping 3 hours and I concur 12:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] fake 12:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] stop spreading lies 12:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Its the most honest opinion with no lie in it 12:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] ur opinion is wrong 12:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASED: 12:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] There are no 'wrong' opinions, linux just not ready for desktop yet :feelsbadman: 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Fwiw when windows breaks you can't fix it at all usually. The advice is reinstall. The fact that you can fix linux is a bonus imo 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] it is a wrong opinion 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] cuz its ready 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] it is indeed 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] the fact that u are using a framework, such as proton to make a non-compatible binary such as a windows only game work on linux and it have issues has nothing to do with linux being good or not 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Windows most descriptive error: STOP 0x000007AB 12:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u compare use a native game 12:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] since valve and amd joined the game, linux is useable 12:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] you just dont know how to use linux 12:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats it 12:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] steamdeck also uses KDE out of box 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] its more advanced 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] bcs its windows friendly 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] i am not saying KDE has the best out of box, but u can easily make it behave similar to windows 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] 4-5 clicks 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] windows literally copies KDE 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] its a meme cuz its true 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's honestly way past usable now. I've been running a pop os laptop and everything justworks. You just don't get cutting edge multiplayer games and adobe software 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmemes/comments/qm8mns/microsoft_doing_what_it_does_best_copying_kde/ 12:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1041313493552463884/unknown.png 12:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] Default user wont appreciate your 'customisation', he cares about office programs (libre sux), games and web surfing 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] not rly 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] 95% of users 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] just thing a computer 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] is a web browser 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] think* 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah yeah microsoft office.. the office programm anyone can effort xd 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] and most appreciate it trust me 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] libre doesnt suck 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Even libre is very decent now. When did you last give it a go? 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] libre is ok, but i never use it tho xd 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] haters gonna hate 12:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] when do u need it, i actually use google drive's solution more than the desktop programms xD 12:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Dunno how you use it but i never met a single person who bought, a lot of russian sites with pirated versions :troll: 12:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Dunno how you use it but i never met a single person who bought it, a lot of russian sites with pirated versions :troll: 12:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Also web version is free afaik 12:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] It does, its hard to work with documents 12:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] Office 365 is pretty good too if you have to use microsoft ones because, um reasons 12:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] no ur just bad 12:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASED: 12:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] Idk, your criticisms sound more like from 6-7 years ago 12:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] Most of the things you mention have been ironed out by now 12:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2GkwwypDw 12:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] based youtuber 12:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxDFjGPqYog 12:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] :GIGACHAD: 12:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] Even my bizarro gentoo install mostly justworks now and gentoo is the most finnicky distro of them all 12:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 the problem with most people about "linux desktop" is not linux itself but the "programs" available, cuz they want to keep using bloated propietary stuff 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] and they refuse to learn the superior free as in freedom software 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASED: 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Libreoffice is bloated too. Office suites are just ew 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] i just use latex 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] or md with pandox 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] pandoc 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://pandoc.org/ 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] is awesome 12:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] As I said, only problem I've had within these last 3 years with linux desktop is game anticheats and gimp being made by weirdos 12:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] who cares about freedom :feelsbadman: 12:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] lot of people 12:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] americans 12:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] kek 12:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] me 12:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] ukraines 12:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😉 12:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😉 12:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] kekw 12:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 a good talk while emerging packages 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] ``` 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] [The Tale of Two Elitists] 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Carpenter Elitist: *walking in IKEA to buy some meatballs* 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Carpenter Elitist: (thinks to himself) Look at all these IKEA sheeples, a bunch of normies who don't have the skills to build their own furniture. 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Carpenter Elitist: (thinks to himself) These people neither have the curiosity nor the initiative to learn basic woodworking. 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Carpenter Elitist: (thinks to himself) I guess some people are simply like that, docile and apathetic. 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Later 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Carpenter Elitist: (to his son) Son, I have the IKEA meatballs you want. Were you able to fix the issue with my laptop? 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Son, Linux Elitist: Yes. That issue will keep coming back. I can install Linux in your laptop to permanently resolve that issue. 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Dad, Carpenter Elitist: I don't have time for that Linux you keep talking about. Windows works for me. Just fix it again later if the issue returns. 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Son, Linux Elitist: (thinks to himself) I guess some people are simply like that, docile and apathetic. 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Son, Linux Elitist: (thinks to himself) Some people neither have the curiosity nor initiative to learn basic information about operating systems. 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Son, Linux Elitist: (thinks to himself) I hate to admit it but my dad is a normie and a Windows sheeple. 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] ``` 12:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] lmao 12:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] Add weird tax software running in Wine for me (it's even written in Qt, wouldn't be that hard to port to Linux) 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] do u use wine staging? 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] I just use whatever wine my distro or homebrew give me 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] well its very important to use wine-staging 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] normal wine is really far behind 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] That's ok, the tax software has not changed in 10 years 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] wine-7.20 (Staging) 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] so it actually does run? 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] same version 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] i thought u had a typo 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] since learath talked about stuff that didnt work 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, it runs, with some minor problems 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] running windows apps on linux is a good way to find UB xd 12:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://vorpus.org/blog/why-does-calloc-exist/ 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33579884 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 13:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] why does smth else than aligned_alloc exists 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] why even allocating, just use the RAM directly 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Why use ram, just use L3 cache 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] any program that doesnt work with registers only is slow af 13:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Not Keks java? 13:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] can a java app be memory efficient 13:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 13:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes it can, by using JNI 13:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 13:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well whenever a GC is involved there will be some inefficiency, but I heard java got some new gc that is pretty acceptable 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] there are big GC defenders out there 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] they would even make a kernel with gc 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Zgc 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://wiki.openjdk.org/display/zgc/Main 13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] After reading that I checked and probably not so easy to use calloc for the map layers in memory on server 13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] because that would be a nice way to save memory on largely empty parts of maps 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] because we don't actually mem_zero them, but malloc and then io_read 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] Is that bad? 13:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] I didn't read the article yet, just wondering 13:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think calloc can be faster sometimes 13:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] cuz it knows if it needs to zero the memory 13:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] but malloc sometimes double zeroes 13:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] i only read it over fast 13:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] So if we'll mem_zero after anyway, we should calloc instead is the takeaway? 13:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you malloc + mem_zero all the memory needs to be there. With calloc you get a single COW page and it will be expanded on write access 13:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 13:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] but the COW might make performance a bit less predictable 13:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ok, that fits with the mental model I've had already 😄 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] If after reading the map we don't touch it, I guess mmaping it could be an optimization there but honestly that part of the code is very much fine 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, after looking at it my conclusion was also to change nothing 😄 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] 🥹 13:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Not Keks for the last couple months I've been getting some very harsh stuttering. Do you have any idea how I could go about diagnosing the issue? 13:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] Since this is very subjective I don't think I can easily bisect for it, we don't really have tooling in the code to profile frametimes either 13:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] what have u tried yet, unplug everything and stuff? 13:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] I tried an older version, I don't remember which and it didn't have the stuttering. Other than that nothing yet 13:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm a little lost when it comes to debugging stuff that doesn't crash 13:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] whats the first version that doesnt lag 13:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] I profiled for a bit too but nothing really popped up as small spikes in frametime just get averaged out 13:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] You could try printing out the frametimes with our benchmarking tools, maybe it's objective there and can then be bisected? 13:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] I can try to find it but it's really hard. I have to play for a bit on each version to see if I get them 13:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] i c 13:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yesterday I clicked on server info on the 64 player multeasymap server and DDNet hung for > 1 second, never seen that before 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] lot of skins? 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ah, this is a good idea. I could set up some frametime metrics and just bisect and apply the patch to see if my worst frametimes get worse 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] 4k skins are a problem that could occur after time 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u use skins.tw 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] they make ur game lag if u dont have 8k ready GPU xd 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] No 4k skins, no local skins 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] skins.tw? 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] Nope, skins.ddnet.tw 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] `benchmark_quit` 13:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe I'll try turning off download skins entirely. Though I didn't see the spikes correlate to any skin loads 13:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Does this actually exist? What does it benchmark? 13:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] It exists, we use it for phoronix 13:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] it prints out the frametimes to a file and then quits after a specified number of seconds 13:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] if its just ddnet skins it should be fine 13:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] Does it join any server or sth? 13:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] `./DDNet "connect ger2.ddnet.org; benchmark_quit 3 foo.txt"` 13:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh that should make this much easier 13:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Is it just a list of frametimes? 13:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1041333741706035261/foo.txt 13:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'll just build a small tool to gather some easier to use metrics. Some percentiles, maybe worst/best, variance and make a graph of the distribution 13:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] See if anything pops out at me just by staring at data 13:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] I seem to have some jumps in there too, but not noticable since it's just to 11-13 ms 13:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://xkcd.com/1319/ 13:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] I get like insane stutters. Makes playing very hard 13:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] Easily noticeable to the eye 13:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] oof 13:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] linux? 13:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe ur gpu is dying 13:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] temps? 13:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] throttling 13:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] Windows, on linux it is much better though I still get more stutters then I used to even on there 13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd probably see this on much more demanding games way before ddnet, no? 13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] Temps seemed fine to me but I'll keep an eye on them just incase 13:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just a couple lines of python that I don't really intend to maintain 😛 13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] generally: 13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] - your GPU could be in a state where it down and upclocks all the time bcs its not used enough 13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] - temps of CPU or GPU make the hardware downclock 13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] - other software e.g. firewall or anti virus 13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] - drivers are broken etc. 13:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Difference between versions smells more like something we changed to me, but I'll keep an eye on those too incase 13:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe we accidentally made something block on the main loop accidentally and it blocks longer on my old cpu making it noticeable 13:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] question is how long did u test the other version 13:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] and also which version 13:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'll take a look tonight 👍 14:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hey, I'd like to contribute to DDNet, but I am completely new to programming..I mean, I have some projects but I never tried programming at larger scale or contributing. Also I never made a single pull request or issue on github. Could you give me some tips, to get started? Solving an issue is probably long way to go for me, so I need a way to get started. 14:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] depends on ur level 14:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you can build client and server locally following the github readme that already helps 14:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe this helps, or not https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Development 14:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah yes if you use windows check the github readme 14:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] I've read this all, and already made this changes: https://edgarluque.com/blog/chat-command-ddracenetwork/ 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] And yeah it works 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh poggers 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] i wonder who made that 14:24 <+ChillerDragon> fellow ryo enjoyer 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] This edgar dude seems really knowledgeable 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASED: 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] And yeah, by now I want to somehow help you in solving issues, but I actually don't know how 14:25 <+ChillerDragon> I also made a video series for beginners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB_aSIOmdu4&list=PLhJkqAQmOh5LyYOfnMy4PJB6CSZltQyTc @Aniak did you manage to compile and test out some code yet? 14:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] I started out exactly like this. I picked something that annoyed me and started there. However small it is 14:25 <+ChillerDragon> im pretty annoyed by missing 0.7 support 14:25 <+ChillerDragon> xd 14:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'll admit though back when I started out ddrace was in a much worse state than ddnet is in right now. Our bugs and problems aren't exactly too too easy to solve 14:26 <+ChillerDragon> there are always low hanging fruits even now 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] i should continue that ddnet blog series 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] There are some very low hanging fruits in the editor where we don't maintain a code quality as high as the rest of the client 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe I can start by looking at code, and make issues? 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] sure 14:27 <+ChillerDragon> yikes pls not more issues 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] For example I see a lot of magic numbers in code, and idk if its intended to be like that, or no 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe something in #bugs is easy 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] or in github issues 14:27 <+ChillerDragon> pls close issues instead of opening them :p 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] identifiying whats hard or not is also a skill though 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or browse through issues and see if you find something that catches your eye, maybe annoys you aswell 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Like this magic `-1 `in your videos, which means message to all 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] open issues if they are valid 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] its fine if u want to replace those 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] just make sure if its network related that it has the same value 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] That -1 for all would be a massive amount of manual work that won't teach you much coding imo. It's more labour 😄 14:29 <+ChillerDragon> If you are really really new to coding recommend having fun first build some feature that you would like in your client or server before you try to contribute something 14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or that, it's also fun to mess around. One of the first things I built was a level system. You'd get xp as you killed tees and you'd level up 😄 14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hm, maybe that's the way 14:31 <+ChillerDragon> yes that should give you dopamine while learning how the code works 14:31 <+ChillerDragon> Is there some feature you always wished for? 14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] Actully, some would be cool to see 14:32 <+ChillerDragon> yes what 14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] for example sking changing color dynamically 14:32 <+ChillerDragon> ? 14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] for example skin changing color dynamically 14:32 <+ChillerDragon> could you ellaborate what that means 14:33 <+ChillerDragon> you mean automatic color changes on tees? 14:33 <+ChillerDragon> like a fading effect or something? 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah 14:33 <+ChillerDragon> yes thats a fun first task 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or its already there xd 14:33 <+ChillerDragon> there is 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Rainbow tees are fun to code indeed 14:33 <+ChillerDragon> but it doesnt matter 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Thats what i meant 14:33 <+ChillerDragon> only makes it easier if you get stuck 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] but i couldnt find a word 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] rainbow tee 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> hi 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> i want to set motd of my server to map info 14:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> how can i do that 14:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> just like ddnet in motd 14:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1041345176079171644/image.png 14:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] a good code QOL is replacing int flags with named enums 14:34 <+ChillerDragon> put sv_motd in server server settings 14:34 <+ChillerDragon> ah wait 14:34 <+ChillerDragon> i red wrong 14:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> no i want to put there server info 14:34 <+ChillerDragon> yes sori xd 14:34 <+ChillerDragon> i think ddnet generates those with a script 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> i have vote list 14:35 <+ChillerDragon> what maps are you using? 14:35 <+ChillerDragon> official ddnet maps? 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> yup 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1041345562663997480/image.png 14:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> @deen 14:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm thinking about adding accounts: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3411#issuecomment-1312732896 14:39 <+ChillerDragon> wow 14:39 <+ChillerDragon> casually dropping that xd 14:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] wow 14:39 <+ChillerDragon> @pinkrat 14:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] *Grabs popcorn* 14:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] We're shipping the cfg files too, I think they should auto load 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can remove all .cfg files if you don't want them 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> For motd 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> what can i do ? 14:40 <+ChillerDragon> i do not see them shipped 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Then you can set `sv_motd` in your autoexec_server.cfg 14:40 <+ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1668346713.png 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh, ok 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> bro i want to put map info in server motd 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> like ddnet 14:40 <+ChillerDragon> or how are they named? 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> everytime u change motd 14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> everytime u change map 14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> motd changes to map info 14:41 <+ChillerDragon> they are generated using this script btw https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-scripts/blob/30df2cafb86a49a550690a79adce40e8e0330c45/servers/scripts/create-votes.py 14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <৳ iDiN τ> how can i do that ? 14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] Like you personally? 😄 14:42 <+ChillerDragon> seems like those .map.cfg files are not published tho 14:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] f3 14:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's this script https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-scripts/blob/master/servers/scripts/create-votes.py with this skeleton https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-scripts/blob/master/servers/motd/skeleton 14:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] :greenthing: 14:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, doesn't seem like that much work. 14:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] if people agree with the proposal. Don't want to roll it back again 14:43 <+ChillerDragon> thats crazy 14:43 <+ChillerDragon> history moment 14:43 <+ChillerDragon> will there be a feedback round or is that final? 14:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] if someone recording or screenshoting, hi mom, i was here! 14:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] 🥹 14:44 <+ChillerDragon> ikr 14:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] feedback round. I came up with this in 2 minutes just now, it's probably not perfect 😄 14:44 <+ChillerDragon> u made graphics? 14:44 <+ChillerDragon> deen artist confirmed? 14:44 <+ChillerDragon> wait those are not tw related ? xd 14:44 <+ChillerDragon> scam 14:45 <+ChillerDragon> ah i didnt read it says duolingo xd 14:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh you made a proposal, I'll check it out tonight. Finally maybe some progress on accounts. It was time 14:45 <+ChillerDragon> @deen wat lang are you learning? 14:45 <+ChillerDragon> wow so basically 2 point systems?! 14:46 <+ChillerDragon> so we have to finish all those annoying novice maps from aoe again?! -.- 14:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] No, you don't have to. Only if you want the achievement 14:46 <+ChillerDragon> or the points 14:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 14:47 <+ChillerDragon> crazy 14:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] Would be crazier to manually assign each of the thousands of active players to their new accounts 14:47 <+ChillerDragon> yes for sure 14:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] :feelsbadman: 14:48 <+ChillerDragon> what about ppl who loose their private key? or leak it? 14:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] get doxxed 14:48 <+ChillerDragon> or wait are there passwords the users type in? 14:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] For leaks a central server can invalidate the old key. For losing they can get a new one from a central server 14:49 <+ChillerDragon> can ddnet accounts be used by non ddnet servers to avoid having to reimplement a account system? 14:49 <+ChillerDragon> basically oauth xd 14:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] the private key would be a temporary token 14:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] so your password can be used to log in again and get a new token on each device 14:49 <+ChillerDragon> if i lose my password? 14:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] interesting 14:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] email address during signup 14:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] so you can restore it 14:50 <+ChillerDragon> has to be verified? 14:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 14:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you want to rstore pw 14:50 <+ChillerDragon> if i forgot my email password? 14:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] otherwise don't care 14:50 <+ChillerDragon> or what email i used 14:50 <+bridge> [ddnet]