00:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1035326994667294720/unknown.png 01:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Should we periodically clear symbols for old releases? They are taking 12 GB already: https://ddnet.org/downloads/symbols/ 01:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] This video is so true 01:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] This message was not shown in matrix 👉 👈 07:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess the nightly symbols from over weeks ago are not that useful 07:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Didnt even know that existed 07:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] perfection 07:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1035431958626455623/unknown.png 08:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/dandavison/delta 08:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1035439841061646396/unknown.png 08:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] my neovim getting better 08:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1035442879839080448/unknown.png 09:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen how much telemetry data does steam offer? 09:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] 09:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] Like does it say which GPUs are used by players of ddnet? 09:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://deck-24abcd.netlify.app/ 09:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] this is cool AF 09:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh nice, a friend even plays this card game 😄 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] Css only 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] duh its pokemon xd 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] i know 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] but its defs not the greatest TCG XD 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] its very luck based 09:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess never played it 09:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] what is yours all moral standpoint to basic telemetry? 09:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] 09:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] gpu, cpu, ram 09:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] integer config variables 09:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] for string config variables only if they differ from the default, so nothing leaked (some expcetion e.g. gfx_backend) 09:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] and operating system xdd 09:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 09:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] If its opt in its ok 09:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] If its opt out not 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] opt in is useless lets face it 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean who searches the option 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just a popout on first open 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] and clicks on send crash reports 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] I do for steak 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats smth different 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Steam 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Its opt in 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] its both at the same time xD 09:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] I dont want a system that silently has telemetry on by def 09:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] And u dont know it 09:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] we actually already have some kind of telemetry anyway 09:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] 09:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] the username is sent to the ddnet http info requests 09:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] for the finishes 09:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] that leaks more personal information than any of my above stuff 09:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] how much data is inside the http headers sent by curl? 09:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] Probs not much 09:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] anyway non ideologicly 09:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddnet rn has your username & all ingame chat unencrypted, all input data ever made 09:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] 09:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] vs 09:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] 09:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] i just want some information that helps for development and contains no private data 10:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://feedback.wildfiregames.com/ 10:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] 10:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] they have quite a bit of insight, but mostly linux users play that game. and for some reason most linux users seem to use intel computers apparently xD 10:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] i also dont trust the data too much. GL_VERSION might report the gl version requested by the game not the one supported at max 10:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Not Keks im sure our windows users are happy to say yes to telemetry 10:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASED: 10:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] the problem is really that the word itself triggers ppl 10:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] i understand that u dont want to leak all shit so its sold to google 10:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just state clearly what is gathered 10:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] Being honest is the best here 10:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 10:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Most ppl will say yes, i wanna flex my 4090 gpu to the stats 10:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASED: 10:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] lmao 10:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] this is always my motivation when steam hardware survey pops up 10:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] lets make linux great xD 10:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 10:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] man i'd really love to drop all backends other than vk 10:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] 10:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] i have some cool ideas that would be easier to develop if i wont need to change all other backends too and test all shit xD 10:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Not Keks can u just add features exclusive to vulkan? 10:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes but its hard to keep it clean 10:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Sadge 10:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] the higher lvl code always has to do ifs like (backend supports this and that) .. 10:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Stupid old hardware 10:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASED: 10:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki how much disk space does ur new OS use btw? 10:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] 10:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] i am already out of disk space again xD 10:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] 10:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] 1.5 TB SSD are simply not enough 10:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Idk 10:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] But it has to fetch src when installing so 10:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] I got 2x m2 500gb and a 2tb sss 10:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ssd 10:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] You might want to delete your distfiles every once in a while 11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] `Quad::new(50 * 2i32.pow(15), 30 * 2i32.pow(15))` 11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Patiga i had this in twmap 0.6 but on 0.9 it uses some weird integer with fractional bits 11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] do you know how to use it? xD im confused 11:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://docs.rs/twmap/0.7.0/twmap/struct.Quad.html#method.new vs https://docs.rs/twmap/latest/twmap/struct.Quad.html#method.new 11:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] Looks like a fixed point number, which is what we use in the actual data anyway 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] i see 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe twmap could reexport the "fixed" crate 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] anyway i imported it for the types 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] `Quad::new(Default::default(), Point::new(50.into(), 30.into()))` 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] seems to work 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] (well didnt test ingame) 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Do you even need the intos? 11:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh, you probably do 11:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yes because the new doesnt accept Into 11:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] But rather the I17F15 itself 11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] A pr maybe would be worth 11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] If only it was on github 11:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] `Quad::new(Default::default(), Point::new(I17F15::from_num(50), I17F15::from_num(30)))` 11:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok it needs to be this 11:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] probably not. minetest? mindustry? 12:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddnet is good in one thing, keeping players playing 12:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] mindustry has only 300 players currently on steam 12:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Does `From` do `from_bits`? That's a bit of a sad api choice on their part 12:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Going from an integer to a fixed point I'd expect a 0 fractional part and my integer, but I guess that'd need to be a `TryFrom` because it may be out of range 12:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] cuz you can download mindustry for free from itch.io or github 12:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] bcs the average player does that xD 12:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok maybe indeed bcs it cost 12:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] but i'd still assume he made most money mobile? 12:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] mobile players buy stuff and then dont use it xd 12:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] indeed :justatest: 12:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] but now i am interested in their player counts 12:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] the problem with games like mindustry is that they get boring after a while 😄 12:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] Over a million players on Steam got DDNet (but only 860k started it) 12:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1035501774875918366/Screenshot_2022-10-28_at_12.34.00.png 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh nice still very impressive 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm trying to load the Hardware survey page, but it just hangs so far 12:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] Damn 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Now it loaded but Firefox crashed during screenshot 😄 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1035502860416335943/Screenshot_2022-10-28_at_12.38.31.png 12:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] Do people have to opt into the Hardware Survey? If so, then it's pretty useless 12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Of course people with better hardware will opt in more often 12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] On steam yes 12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Still steam survey is one of the best data out there 12:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Not Keks Does it help as a screenshot? 12:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1035503720861016094/Screenshot_2022-10-28_at_12-41-37_Steam_Hardware_Survey_-_DDraceNetwork_owners_-_September_2022.png 12:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah good enough thx 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah some interesting stats 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] ~40% laptop users.. thats quite high 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] RAM <4GB 1% 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] VRAM <1GB 4.53% 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] SSE3 100% 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] around 5.4 with GPUs that are really old, ivy bridge, haswell, some old ATI cards etc. 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah some interesting stats 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] ~40% laptop users.. thats quite high 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] RAM <4GB 1% 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] VRAM <1GB 4.53% 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] SSE3 100% 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] around 5.4% with GPUs that are really old, ivy bridge, haswell, some old ATI cards etc. 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] Do we compile with sse3 12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] ? 13:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] do we have a usecase? i'd assume some libraries we use do it 13:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] on the other hand i think clang does some vectorization with o2 already if i remember correctly but gcc doesnt 13:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] 13:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] tho i dunno which instructions this results in 13:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] depends on the target architecture it's compiling for 13:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah i mean for x64 ofc 13:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] I can see the benefit of laptops, even as someone who never moves their computer. They are much lower power consumption and nowadays easily fast enough. 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] well depends what u want to do xD 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd probably get a mobile CPU instead of some desktop beast that goes to > 5 GHz 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] i consider laptops as insanly slow, especially the GPUs are really bad 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes single threaded laptops are quite ok 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Sure, but DDNet runs fine 😄 13:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] it still depends. there are multiple targets for x86-64, depending on the level of support you want 13:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] I mean even relatively they aren't THAT slow, insanely is a bit of an overreach, no? 😄 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] depends i guess, if u ok with 720p gaming on mid graphics 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] or not being able to run blender well enough 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] I need my fast cpu 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] Laptops are so slow 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] gpu wise yes, I was thinking cpu 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] for me personally a fast GPU is important. its annoying if stuff doesnt run well 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] and programs tend to use GPUs more and more 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] more workload is shifted to the GPU i mean 13:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] I compile a lot of rust so i like having a beefy cpu 13:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASED: 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] And noise isnt a problem to me 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] My headset cancels noise passively 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] And i put music 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] :greenthing: 13:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] I took a quick look at 4th gen just as an example. The flagship i7 turbos up to 4.4GHz. The flagship i7 mobile turbos up to 4.0GHz. It's just a 400MHz difference. It's even better in 10th gen 13:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] Mobile gpus though yeah, not the best honestly but if you want workstation performance there are beastly laptops too, if you are ok with carrying them around 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] another problem is that laptops are quite expensive for what they can do 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] They rly are 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] for 500 bucks i get 16 core desktop cpu 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] And thry often come with just 500gb 13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd probably get a laptop CPU in a desktop case if that is still possible 😄 Used to be easy, but no sockets on laptops for a while now :/ 13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh ok 13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] u can simply undervolt and downclock 13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] if its such a problem 😄 13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] There is that one chinese guy that solders BGA laptop cpus to adapters and sells them 😄 13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] most of the time CPUs run idle anyway 😄 13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] Why do u want a slower cpu? 13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] so the 5GHz are just nice to have 13:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] my cpu runs under 7W in idle 13:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] even the idle power consumption of recent desktop CPUs is pretty high 13:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] my gpu similar 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd probably keep a normal desktop but I can definitely see the value proposition of a laptop, being able to move around is just great/10 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] German article, but idle CPU power of 20 W is bad 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1035511783596757072/Screenshot_2022-10-28_at_13.13.50.png 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] u shouldnt underestimate one thing 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] new GPUs have much more cores, so they can do more with less energy 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] the problem is at around 80% usage.. .then desktop stuff gets inefficient 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] why? 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] 20 is nothing 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] use a train one time and u wasted more energy than 1 year running this idle 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] The train isn't outputting its waste heat into my hot summer apartment though 😄 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] mhh 20W is not lot of heat 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Run the AC 4head 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] the processor is like 3cm big 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] its not enough to heat a 1m² of a room 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Size of the CPU mattereth not actually, 20W is 20W 13:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes but its still not lot of heat on 1m² 13:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's not just the CPU, mainboard etc have also increased in power consumption in recent years 13:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] 20W on the full room is nothing anyway 13:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, 20W isn't much heat. Just wanted to say the cpu size isn't a factor 13:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] my point was really more about where the heat is 13:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] The thing about heat is that it doesn't like staying where it is 13:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] air is a pretty good isolastion 13:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] air is a pretty good isolation 13:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anyway, I don't like that desktops went from idling at ~25 Watt to 50 Watt in the last 6 years 13:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Air will not conduct heat well, but it will heat up, the 20W of heat has to go somewhere 13:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah but it will not heat the full room 13:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] heat tends to go to the top 13:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] as soon as its dark outside in germany it will cool again xD 13:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] As far as my understanding of thermodynamics goes, the universe really doesn't like heat gradients, warm air and cold air will exchange heat until equilibrium. Now whether the amount of temperature change due to the heat is negligible or not, that's up to you 13:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] turn off your light and u save 30Watt 13:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] remove the sunlight and u probs save over 20Watts 13:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] I use leds, those are like 6W 13:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Can't remove the sun, it'd be great though 13:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] remove your body and u probs save over 100watt 13:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] close the whatever u have at your window 13:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Can't remove body either, humans can't be uploaded to the cloud ye 13:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] your room light has 6watt? 13:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] then gg 13:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats not enough for me 😄 13:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Radiation still heats the windows and my walls 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] anyway 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] u also have to take the difference anyway 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] a laptop also uses 5watts or smth 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] Really? These modern 7W bulbs are like equivalent to 60W incandescents 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] so we already at 15W 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah dunno i think mine is like 18watts, the transformator also looses some energy 13:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] protip: run your lightbulb underpowered too, then it lasts much longer 13:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] and is more efficient, less waste heat 13:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] ^^ez 13:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anyway, as I said. I'd probably keep a desktop cpu aswell. Just saying no matter the wattage the size of the cpu, there is heat being output and it'll heat the room 13:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] anyway, for me as said its not even so much about the CPU, but GPU, and desktop GPUs are like mini computers, with own mainboards etc. so i have to accept they use extra energy 13:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] 3 W bulbs can be 60 W incandescent equivalent like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klaJqofCsu4 13:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] I was just about to say have you seen those dubai bulbs 😄 13:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] i can ensure my room light isnt the most efficient xD 13:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] I can get 7W =~ 60W ones in europe, they get cool 3W ones 13:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] I do something similar for a long time. I got SceneSwitch LEDs and rarely run them at their full brightness level, so far none have failed. 13:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] I haven't had a led lamp fail in 4 years I think even at full power 13:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] I seem to have gotten lucky on the silicone lottery 13:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, only some designs are bad and easily overheat 13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] just judge yourself @Learath2 xD 13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1035516681457520731/photo1666956789.jpeg 13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] but my lamp also has different lighting modes 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] my gpu uses around 30W in ddnet with 1400fps 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats not nothing but an old laptop could not do it at 30W 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] the good thing here is: 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] the desktop GPUs have much more shader cores than laptop GPUs (except maybe M1 Max) 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] so they dont have to clock so high to archive the same goal 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] since my gpu is <20% usage its pretty efficient 13:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, GPUs are not at 5 GHz (yet), but CPUs have been going crazy recently just to get 5% faster FPS than the other side 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] me: just make the maps less gpu heavy lol 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] :justatest: 13:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] just drop old hardware and force vulkan, set a good limit that suits your needs 13:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] and be happy 13:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] Honestly, I'm happy as long as I get stable framerates around my refresh rate. It just looks good to me, maybe I just don't have good eyes 😄 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] One of the reasons I upgrade my system so slowly. Things just don't look that bad to me with almost any stable fps 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] when i read phoronix and see all the progress for new software technology i actually wonder when the old hardware will be dropped, or will they always fall back to software rendering? 😄 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean the maintainance cant be worth it for old stuff 13:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] didn't intel announced something about saving money? 13:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess the fact that old hardware just doesn't change makes it better maintenance cost wise 13:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] i wish i'd have av1 encoding on my GPU :/ 13:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] Now that'd be sth I'd upgrade for 13:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] next amd will have it, rtx 4090 also has it 13:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] get an arc gpu and use it just to decode/encode av1 13:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 13:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Xd 13:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] Actually, I think arc would be a great fit for you @Not Keks 13:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's so extremely opinionated that it refuses to work well with old gfx APIs 13:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] i fear intels drivers 13:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] i am on the dark side then 13:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] I heard it's quickly getting better after the release 13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] tbh, if i have a good vulkan driver, i have all drivers 13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] dxvk, zink 13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] i can even run my window manager under zink already 13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] minecraft worked good enough 13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe 80% of native GL driver 14:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Run the arc on a server to encode av1 solely 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] i need it for streaming my desktop xd 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] h264 struggles with high refresh rates 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] You can just have an extra arc for av1 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] or vaapi is it 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah ez money boy 14:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddnet gives me so much money per month 14:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] i buy rtx 4090 every day 14:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] What is a little money in pursuit of more fps? Cmon, just don’t eat 14:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] good idea actually learath 14:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] vulkan has multi gpu support 14:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] imagine u could render demos in the background 14:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] would be cool 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] It’d be nice if I could render headless from the terminal 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] mhhh yeah 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] but would still require a vk instance, just without a surface 14:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] That’s fine I guess 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] guess i should think about it 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] Do it 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] at some point i have to add framebuffer rendering anyway at least for vulkan 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] its simply too annoying to have the ddnet window open all the time 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] Can u have a vk instance without a gpu? 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] well cpu rendering 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] To make a server to render demos 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ok 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] Future service 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] Now just need top 10 rank demos auto published 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] that would be cool indeed 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] if we'd finally have teehistorian to demo 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] it would motivate me 14:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] mhh is it safe to call Localize whenever i want to? 14:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] kinda feels weird to call it inside the backend tho 14:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe i should enumerize the errors and give them text only in the higher level components^^ 14:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] This probably is the correct way to do this 14:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah just lot of work 😄 14:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] 54 different errors in vulkan backend 14:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] << 14:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] rust Result 14:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] Imagine not having sum types smh 14:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] how does that fix my problem 14:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] i am thinking about a Localizable function that is empty and only there so the translation script can find the string of the backend too 14:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen u ok with this? then we can also remove all the comments like // Locaize("...") 14:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] ```python 14:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] matches = re.findall(r"Localize\s*\(\s*\"([^\"]+)\"(?:\s*,\s*\"([^\"]+)\")?\s*\)", fileobj.read()) 14:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] ``` 14:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] 14:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] ui, that's what i call a regexc 14:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] ```python 14:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] matches = re.findall(r"Localize\s*\(\s*\"([^\"]+)\"(?:\s*,\s*\"([^\"]+)\")?\s*\)", fileobj.read()) 14:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] ``` 14:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] 14:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] ui, that's what i call a regex 15:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] :justatest: 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Not Keks man 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] i change the file with name Teeworlds and 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] i start the game and every thing get Change and i change the file name to Teeworlds again and i didnt get my old game 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] still everything new 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] it now uses DDnet file 15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] always close client before you do stuff like this 15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] i did 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] normally it uses teeworlds directory first, then ddnet 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u renamed teeworlds to ddnet it used ddnet 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] what did u name it? 17:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] What is it good for? 17:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] i can use strings in backend without needing to localize them there 17:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] that doesn't work for formatted strings, I think 17:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't know if you need those 17:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont need them 17:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] its just that i dont want to add a // Localize("...") comment to every string 17:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] and handling all errors by enums just to convert them to strings later is lot of coding and also kinda code dublication 17:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] since they arent really error types, but more like error descriptions 17:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen how often is the sqlite db download updated on ddnet stats page? 17:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] Using the mysql db is not feasible for me 17:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] Takes way too long on my pc with a good cpu, cant image on a vps 17:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh 17:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe i should use csv 17:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] And polars 17:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] Did you know the rust csv library is one of the best out there 17:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] Surpasing in speed the c++ ones 17:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] 17:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] every night 17:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] nice 17:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 do u know if its more worth to use csv or sqlite when perfoming read only queries? 17:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] i wonder if polars is faster than sqlite itself making queries 18:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Probs csv 18:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://blog.rust-lang.org/2022/10/28/gats-stabilization.html 18:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] As of Rust 1.65, which is set to release on November 3rd, generic associated types (GATs) will be stable — over six and a half years after the original RFC was opened. This is truly a monumental achievement; however, as with a few of the other monumental features of Rust, like async or const generics, there are limitations in the initial stabilization that we plan to remove in the future. 18:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] I moved them here. It seems like they are getting ignored. Any ideas why? 18:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1035591780680335391/DDNetSpikes.png 18:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] why should they magically work 18:32 <+bridge> [ddnet]