02:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] yknow why cant we just, limit the amount of traffic on a server 02:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] none of the servers surpass a million in terms of packaging stuff 02:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1027012784300507258/unknown.png 02:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] none of the servers surpass a million in terms of packaging stuff except the ones being ddosed 02:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1027012784300507258/unknown.png 02:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] none of the servers surpass a million in terms of packaging stuff except the ones being ddosed, and even then it spikes to like **100** million 02:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1027012784300507258/unknown.png 09:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats what a ddos protection does 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you would simply limit it the attack traffic would steal place for legitimate traffic 09:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh thats fair 09:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] i can only assume now that distinguishing an attack from actual input with ddos protection would be costly 09:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm currently talking to a good hoster, we'll see 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] :PauseChamp: 13:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Then also your issue would be fixed @Stepfunn 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] :PogU: 15:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anyone want to join LTT livestream tomorrow and tell them to benchmark DDNet on Intel GPU? 😄 https://youtu.be/6T9d9LM1TwY?t=280 15:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] pog 15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://unicodebook.readthedocs.io/definitions.html#mojibake 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] french moment 😄 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] how could the girl not realize she was writing gibberish? 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] at least she meticulously transcribed the accents ^^ 16:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] xD imagine Linus saying what's a hammerfly? 17:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] uff didnt know its built on TSMC 6nm.. that makes these cards even worse than they already are 17:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] I read that nm isnt everything 17:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] Arent nvidia still 7nm 17:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] it isnt, but thats not they latest nm 17:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] but 4090 release 3 days after these intel cards 17:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] and is 5nm i think 17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah like amd 17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] 4nm even 17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] 5nm 17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] No its 5 17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Also i read that saying 3-4-5nm is a bit fuzzy 17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] And more a marketing strat 17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] On wikipedia 17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 17:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] but if both is from TSMC 17:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] then the one will be at least a bit better than the other 17:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] i only find 4nm sources 17:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] > The term "5 nanometer" has no relation to any actual physical feature (such as gate length, metal pitch or gate pitch) of the transistors. According to the projections contained in the 2021 update of the International Roadmap for Devices and Systems published by IEEE Standards Association Industry Connection, a 5 nm node is expected to have a contacted gate pitch of 51 nanometers and a tightest metal pitch of 30 nanometers.[3] However, in 17:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process 17:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] but in the end "increased speed and reduced power consumption compared to the previous 7 nm process." 17:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ye 17:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess it sort of relates to the expected performance of an hypothetical 5nm node 17:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] but other than that, that also makes it less attractive IMHO 17:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] 17:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] intel is clearly worse than nvidia and amd 17:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] if they dont even use their own fabs to produce them, then its not like u support compotition as much as if they would 17:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] would have been more interesting if intel does it like with CPUs 😄 17:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] Making another tmsc is such a complex thing 17:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] Its one of the most advanced techs 17:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] U also need a place without much trembling, earthquakes etc 17:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, but competition in that field is also important 17:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] Cuz it needs to be super stable 17:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] The foundry 17:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah 17:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well there are workarounds to many issues. Where there is will there usually is a way. It's just that the investment required might just be too high for the other countries to ever catch up now 17:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] China is making huge moves to deprecate tsmc asap and even they are atleast 3 generations behind 17:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] Russia is like 6 generations behind 17:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 17:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] Japan is close tho iirc 17:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] Samsung is japanese right 17:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] They got their foundry 17:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] Iirc 17:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] because they have no choice, U.S. is blocking many high end exports to China now and TSMC won't be allowed to deliver much to Chinese companies 17:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Korea 17:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] Samsung is so huge that it's 20% of South Korean GDP 17:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] Japan and eu are probably closer to 65nm. That's sooo far behind korea and taiwan 17:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] But theybwill build a foundry on usa 17:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] 17bln iirc 17:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] And idk why, on texas 17:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] With their electricity grid that fails often 17:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] Xd 17:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, samsung actually does a lot more than people realize. They own hospitals, massive ships, chip fabs, consumer electronic fabs, they own apartments, graveyards 17:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] And ssds 17:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] Samsung and a handful other companies are like the entirety of korea 17:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] Mobiles, tv, fridges 17:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] And my toaster was samsung btw 17:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASED: 17:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well, it'll still be owned by samsung. I think that's not the US moving forward in technology but just a safeguard just in case big bad china invades taiwan 17:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] It has funding from murica 18:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] But I don't think they agreed on any IP exchange. It's just a US funded samsung fab in the US 18:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] When open source 5nm? 18:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's actually quite interesting that these handful of companies get to hide some of the biggest achievements of human kind under lock and key 18:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah sad 18:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just a dozen or so years ago if china decided they didn't want taiwan to exist anymore we'd be plunged back 5 generations of tech almost 18:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Like wtf is 65nm 18:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess intel has the secret sauce to 20nm, so we'd still have that 18:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] China has been actively recruiting TSMC engineers to build up SMIC, paying them double their old salary. So that's an easy way to get expertise. Happens in most fields like that. 18:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] A leading tsmc engineer may get paid millions a year literally lol 18:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] But there is no incentive in eu or us to do the same. They pay the money to tsmc and samsung so they build fabs in their regions instead 18:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] There has recently been more incentive for national security, especially now with the oil and gas dependency from Russia and how that turned out 18:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] But yeah, barely any semiconductor foundries left, and most don't want to compete for low nm because it's high risk and cost 18:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hopefully domestic companies like stmicro will start innovating again 18:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think whatever secrets ASML keeps are more valuable 18:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] evidently the US government agrees because they're banned from selling stuff to china 18:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] I honestly don't think there are any entities rich enough that could risk it. Maybe government initiatives could, but you need to promise something in return to the public if you want to spend tax euros 18:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] As far as I'm aware ASML makes all the EUV lithography machines. Including for china's SMIC 18:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] Though they can't buy them anymore, before the restrictions I think they got all their machines from ASML 18:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] well yeah ASML is the only maker of EUV 18:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] without ASML china has almost no hope of getting more EUV anytime soon 18:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] One thing china does have is very deep pockets and some EUV lithography machines they can reverse engineer. I can see them making some progress 18:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Idk I would be skeptical of that, it took a hundred research papers on exploding tin droplets and there is only 1 supplier in the world who can make the mirrors that are precise enough. 18:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think the ASML ceo said something about it lemme see if I can find it 18:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] > “I think it unlikely that China would be able to replicate top lithography technology independently because ASML relies on relentless innovation and integrating components that are only available from non-Chinese suppliers. I am not saying it cannot be done|because I know the laws of physics are the same in China as they are here. Never say never. They will certainly try." 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] My DDNet just randomly crashed while playing 👍 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] got a coredump? 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] No, how 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] I am on release 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] windows? 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah, I was assuming linux 18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] then look in dumps in config dir 18:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] Aye, it crashed again while it's in background as I was looking into the dir 18:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] I dont have any logs 18:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] mhh, the only reason i know which doesnt generate dumps is out of memory/RAM 18:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] r u using 32bit? xd 18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, I have auto-updated it ingame 18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] (this has never happened before) 18:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] And you didnt get a dump in the dumps directory? That's bizarre 18:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] what u mean by auto update? 18:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] updater? 18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] or do u just mean u dont have 32bit bcs of it 18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😄 18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] have u tried to restart windows, that fixes lot of problems 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] It crashed again, wtf 19:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] ingame update 19:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] what server? 19:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] whats the ways to reproduce 19:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] nightly or normal release? 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] 16.4, any server (happened on my & kog), no ways to reproduce. 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] as i said, one time it happened while standing, other time while in background, and next time while actively playing 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] did windows update, did u update drivers? 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you are a 100% sure there is no dump, try running it in a debugger 19:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] i did nothing and changed nothing 19:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] mhh weird that %appdata%/teeworlds/dumps is empty then 😄 19:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Debug programs behave differently, especially when self compiled vs. cross compiled 19:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] last dump is from yesterday< 19:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] i'd say expected more crash reports from other ppl than u tho 19:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] i'd have expected more crash reports from other ppl than u tho 19:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] Time to try and reproduce for 2 rounds in fng in linux :gigachad: 19:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ok don't run it in a debugger? Idk what sort of answer you expect here, I can only give ideas 😄 19:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] I was just reporting it? 19:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Time to try and reproduce for 2 rounds in fng in linux :gigachad: (meaning I will play 2 fng rounds while pretending to work) 19:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] I dont have the time right now to debug this 19:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] i just wonder why it happened so randomly now 19:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean there wasnt a release in the last days 19:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yea 19:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] and no dumps generated is also weird, why would that part stop working for no reason at all? 19:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well, I unplugged my graphics card today, but put it back in as usual. Also thats not the first time I did that, and never had issues like this so... 19:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't think anyone touched any signals 19:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] well that defs sounds like a possible reason xD 19:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] if it gets hot and somehow looses contact or smth 19:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] directly rip 19:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] a friend had this too with a gtx 760 19:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] 19:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] unplugged, cleaned all shit 19:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] 19:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] randomly no more crashes 19:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] But why does everything else work fine then xD 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] i can just say how it is, for him it also was teeworlds crashing 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] and since i also had a gtx 760 at home and couldnt reproduce 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] this solved it, after i tried everything else 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] im not joking 😄 19:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] 100% tru story 19:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] Why would it happen after I plugged it back in? You think it could be some kind of dust or smth? 19:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] I dont htink so, it should be clean 19:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] I did restart my PC, will see how it performs now 19:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] well i dunno the exact reason, but maybe power cable not plugged in correctly 19:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] smth like that 19:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] I always double check that, also if it fits correctly inside 19:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] the card itself* 19:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] do you maybe have %appdata%/ddnet? 19:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] Dumps would also be silently not generated if you are missing `exchndl.dll` for whatever reason or if the dll is outdated 19:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] outdated = a version without Jupeyy's changes 19:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] btw those changes (https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-libs/pull/26, https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/4759) should no longer be necessary, as the module offset is also printed on upstream drmingw 19:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] nikce 19:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah he was inactive for over a year, suddenly he was back xD 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, he is very active right now. I'm just waiting for a release so we can use that and also resolve https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5877 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] should i install gentoo 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think it can be fun 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] you could try nix 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Do you have some time at hand? 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] that also sounds fun ^^ 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] i have my arch linux in a state i can wipe it all and dont care rn 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] i have time yeah 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] what did you do? 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] just need at some point to have grub working to boot into windows 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] cuz work stuff 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] backups xd 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] Then it is fun configuring your own kernel and setting up use flags and stuff 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] i need that 1% perf improvement using native arch 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] jupstar says so 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] :BASED: 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] i need that 1% perf improvement using native march 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] also my arch linux is bloated with lot of packages i dont use 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] cuz i never installed stuff with -needed 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk what i can remove 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] march lto ofast 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] You also get to remove use flags of features you dont use in software, you can get another 1% there 20:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Also you can get your kernel very very very lean 20:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] hmm 20:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah 20:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or you can try a bsd if you dont want to game ever on linux 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] nah 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Bsds are fun too 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] dota 2 works on linux natively 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] and proton is getting rly good lately 20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] Proton is indeed very impressive. The only things I have to boot into windows for are extremely modern games and games with very intrusive anti cheat 20:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] noby's anticheat > Vanguard 20:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] It would be intersted to make anti-cheat system like noby's for 3D 20:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah lately i've been using too much windows due to ff14 but i think it can run well on linux 20:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] so i gotta correct myself here 20:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] It would be intersting to make anti-cheat system like noby's for 3D 20:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] ill install gentoo 20:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] embrace supremacy 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] nix! 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk about nix 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] me neither 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] are you using it? 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] hence I want you to try it out 😄 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] xD 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] does nix make you compile it urself 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] im interested in compiling all myself 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe I shouldn't have said that out loud 20:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can compile everything yourself in nix 20:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] it probably doesn't have as nice customization as gentoo, not even sure how it looks like at all 20:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] but the good thing it has is reproducibility 20:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] so you can theoretically download binary artifacts for stuff where you didn't change anything. but I guess that's not too much of an upside 20:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] downsides are e.g. that it needs to fight a little to make everything conform to its world view 20:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] but you'll be able to downgrade your system to the working state it had before your upgrade ^^ 20:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] hmmm 20:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] how hard is it to make like ur own packages 20:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] like aur 20:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok maybe ill try nixos 20:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] i have only time to loss anyway xd 20:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] apparently people do this "arch -> gentoo -> nixos" 20:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] > I think NixOS is the logical conclusion of the Ports-like package management system pioneered by the BSDs and adopted by Gentoo and to a lesser extent Arch. 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think it's possible to make your own packages, but I don't know how hard 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] in the local hackerspace, I met someone trying to build firefox against musl using nix 😄 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Build_flags 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] apparently nix uses some kind of haskell-ish functional language? xd 20:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] Gentoo has a lot of ease of use tools helping you compile things yourself. Local repos, epatches, use flags 20:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, "nix", I think 😄 20:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] I should try nix sometime, see how it fares 20:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] note that nix is the package manager 20:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] nixos the os 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] I've come to appreciate how much of your experience of a distro comes down to the its package manager. Homebrew has really given me ptsd 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] I tried for 1h and didn't get any results 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] Everything seems decent to me after homebrew 20:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] also this time i wont bother using luks 20:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] ill let the cia see my hentai 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] i wish dd showed progress 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] killall -USR1 dd 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] `killall -USR1 dd` 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] makes it show progress 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] alternatively, use `progress` 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] (both work with an already running `dd`) 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1027286774474616922/unknown.png 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] this is gonna take a while xd 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] wait 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] im not sure if i should try plasma or not 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] well ill try 20:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] self compiling takes so long, thats kinda annoying. Else i'd maybe do it. e.g. 20:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] i want a debian optimized for ryzen 20:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] all packages that are well coded, ofast lto. 10% perf = 1 CPU generation skip 😄 20:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] there should be distros targeting e.g skylake or smth atleast 20:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] intel clear linux 20:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] ez 20:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] always wins in phoronix benchmarks 20:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] i wish usb-4 was widespread or smth 20:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] transfering data through usbs is such a chore 20:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] `-Ofast` makes correct programs incorrect 20:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] it just bends the reality a bit 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u code well enough and arent doing like math programs that require extrem precision u can write anything that runs on ofast 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] if your kernel is compiled using ofast 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] and its wrong 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] and u code a rly correct math program without it 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] is the kernel even using floats? 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] will it break? 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] kernels dont use floats iirc 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] but it will probs break bcs it relies on UB 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] I believe usb3 speeds should be enough ^^ your disk seems to be really slow 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] but linus doesnt even recommend o3 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] which might get optimized 😄 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] i connected the usb to a hub, it shows blue 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] the linux kernel doesn't use any floating point registers 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] but i dont remember if the hub is connected to a usb3 xd 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] the problem is not that it's not usb4 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats the biggset "downside" of ofast 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] rest is just interpreting UB differently 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] usb3 would have a faster speed 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] "-ffast-math 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Sets the options -fno-math-errno, -funsafe-math-optimizations, -ffinite-math-only, -fno-rounding-math, -fno-signaling-nans, -fcx-limited-range and -fexcess-precision=fast. 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] This option causes the preprocessor macro __FAST_MATH__ to be defined. 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] This option is not turned on by any -O option besides -Ofast since it can result in incorrect output for programs that depend on an exact implementation of IEEE or ISO rules/specifications for math functions. It may, however, yield faster code for programs that do not require the guarantees of these specifications." 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] so if u want max perf, and dont need this kind of precision, its a nice optimization 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] even for games 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 ok it must be the usb drive that its bad 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] i have a red usb port 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] it should be rly fast 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] but its the same 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's not only precision 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] garantuees 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] anyway 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] i use ddnet with ofast lto for example 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] and also some other stuff 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's also communication of errors, and assuming you never do stuff like 1.0/0.0, 0.0/0.0 etc 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] which ddnet does 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes imho thats bad code anyway 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] we dont generate NaNs anymore 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah, cool 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] didn't know 🙂 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] well all we found 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] tbf 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] is the shotgun bug not division by 0? 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] shotgun bug is an exception yes 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] but doesnt matter client side 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] and we could™️ control it 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] since we know the reason 20:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] but maybe codedev even fixed that 20:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] cant remember rn 20:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 u wont like nixos 20:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] it uses systemd 20:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 20:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] can't use anything else? 20:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk 20:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] cant use else 20:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] > systemd is an integral part of NixOS, because it makes extensive use of its features, such as cgroups, sandboxing, user units, and systemd timers instead of cron. 20:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] nix = nixdorf? 20:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ 20:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] what do you think about gnu guix? 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] > > Guix is a fork of Nix and addresses the main issue that Nix didn't get right: instead of comming up with a homebrewed domain-specific language (DSL) with its own set of limitations and idiosyncrasies, Guix uses a full-fledged programming language. 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] can you use it with actual hardware? 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] looks like its aa improvement over it 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] ill try guix 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] just reading the first line 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] > Liberating. Guix is an advanced distribution of the GNU operating system developed by the GNU Project—which respects the freedom of computer users. 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] all pray stallman 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] (I've never heard of someone using guix) 20:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1027291634007801907/unknown.png 20:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] that is not a contra but pro argument for ryo xD 20:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] i've seen it on hn 20:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] KDE is missing 😄 20:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] do you need wifi on your device? 😛 20:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] god distros should provide torrents instead of http downloads 20:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] torrent is the best thing ever invented 20:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] make use of it 20:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] all that I tried do 20:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] arch, debian, ubuntu 20:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe even fedora 20:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki 20:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] "Configurable Linux distributions / package sets like NixOS / nixpkgs make it possible to link a large fraction of their packages statically (for example, its pkgsStatic package set can provide all kinds of statically linked executables)." 20:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] use that 20:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] with LTO 20:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] im gonna use guix 20:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] in total it might consume more disk space tho 20:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats not a problem 20:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] i'd love to see as much static linking as possible in one distro and see how it performs 20:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 what u think about https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ 20:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] it defs has disadvantages. os cannot cahce the .so obviously and other stuff 20:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] 20:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] but the bianry in itself should be really optimized 20:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] its gnu take on a init system 20:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] can through out all shit ^^ 20:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] > The GNU Daemon Shepherd or GNU Shepherd, formerly known as GNU dmd, is a service manager that looks after the herd of system services. It provides a replacement for the service-managing capabilities of SysV-init (or any other init) with a both powerful and beautiful dependency-based system with a convenient interface. It is intended for use on GNU/Hurd, but it is supposed to work on every POSIX-like system where Guile is available. 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