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For new players it's probably just confusing 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] and chinese ppl get mad xDD 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] They only get mad about Taiwanese flag ingame, I haven't heard anything about domain name 12:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean we have negative steam reviews bcs of that flag, completly redicilous, steam should delete them and ban the accounts 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] why should they ban the accounts? 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm not sure. If they feel seeing the Taiwanese flag in scoreboard during gameplay annoys them so much, maybe it's worth a bad review from their PoV 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] i doubt thats not against the TOS 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's not like they are saying anything wrong in their review 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] writing reviews based on political views 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] why would that not be allowed? "there's nudity in the game, and I don't like that" 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] bcs its ridicolous that simple 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't share that opinion 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] well u'd remove the taiwan flag if enough ppl give negative reviews? 12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] that's really stupid imo 12:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] you seem to say that everything that gives bad reviews needs to be changed 12:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] but I think we actually do hide it in the chinese client 12:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] we do? thats already sad enough 12:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats racist 12:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B 12:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] "Religious, political, and other "prone to huge arguments" threads" 12:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] so its against their tos 12:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] and steam should delete them 12:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] that seems unenforceable 12:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] and unenforced 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] I saw plenty of mentions of ukraine or gay rights on steam 12:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] well we don't call it country flag in the UI 12:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] so we don't judge about taiwan in any way 12:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] and taiwan has an official flag, there is nothing political from our side 12:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] so these reviews should be deleted yes. 12:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] I know what you mean, but if the game does not mention gay rights in any kind, and somebody posts a review (be it negative or positive) "gay rights suck/are awesome" or smth like that that it should be deleted 12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] well we don't call it country flag in the UI 12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] so we don't judge about taiwan in any way 12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] and taiwan has an official flag, there is nothing political from our side 12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] so these reviews should be deleted yes. 12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] I know what you mean, but if the game does not mention gay rights in any kind, and somebody posts a review (be it negative or positive) "gay rights suck/are awesome" or smth like that then it should be deleted 12:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] I can see your point, the reviews are not really related to the game and about a topic that invites flamewars 12:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] Nah actually hiding a flag for certain groups of people is just weird 13:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Beelee @TearlessAbyss46 Try new South Africa server, it's stable for me 14:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] thanks the servers seem to be stable for everyone so far 15:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <𝙺𝚞𝚛𝚘𝚜𝚒𝚘> Hello, enumeration declaration inside protocol_ex are they connected in a strict order? If there is an offset on any side of the client or server? What would be the behavior in this case? 15:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] its generated by python 15:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] iirc 15:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <𝙺𝚞𝚛𝚘𝚜𝚒𝚘> I'm writing about https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/dbe6d8cb293ea7452c0d4f6613b60f591bbd7c48/src/engine/shared/protocol_ex.h 15:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <𝙺𝚞𝚛𝚘𝚜𝚒𝚘> I can kind of see that it is, but I'd better check 15:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Neither the server nor the client cares about the actual order. These are translated to uuids at the protocol level 15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <𝙺𝚞𝚛𝚘𝚜𝚒𝚘> Okay, thanks, I kind of figured out how it works with debugging server and client 17:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] yahoo.de is missing A records: https://yahoo.de/ 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] Is discarding the return of a write somehow insane? Am I missing something? 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] write(2) that is 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you don't care about whether it worked or not, it's okay 21:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't have much in the way of resolving the situation if it didn't 21:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can always crash the process. but I agree that gnu is insane here by not recognizing the `(void)` idiom 21:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think we can turn that warning off 21:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] I can just return it upwards and ignore it there, maybe that way it'll stop warning 21:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] In most cases where it's used it's actually useful. Like a socket() or fopen() being ignored 21:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] But a write, I honestly don't know what they were thinking 21:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] I agree with them there that crashing is preferable to ignoring, if we think that it should always succeed 21:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] however, I disagree that `(void)` shouldn't silence the warning 21:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think clang handles this correctly 21:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] so we could silence the warning on GNU, I guess 21:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] but that's hard, I guess 21:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] So, should I assert or not that's the question 21:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] do we think it can ever fail? 21:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] if not, I'd write an assert 21:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] but I don't have a strong opinion on it 21:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's just how I'd do it 21:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] how bout at least add an dbg msg 21:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm fairly sure it can't ever fail without a catastrophic failure in the kernel or gross user error 21:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] sounds like a should u check the return of a malloc type of error^^ 21:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh there is one insane fail condition that ignoring would make sense in. If the pipe is full. Since all the info is to be discarded anyway there is no point writing, might as well ignore it, there is already stuff there to trigger select() to return 21:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] How the pipe would get full is beyond me though 21:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah 21:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] then it's fine to ignore I guess 21:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk 21:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] do whatever you want 22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] can we pls remove this 22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1025860694039597269/unknown.png 22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] its no error and nobody cares 22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] and it spams the console hard 22:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1025861214007472218/unknown.png 22:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1025861251634561034/unknown.png 22:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] xD 22:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] yea, these shouldnt be in console_output_level `0` 22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] change `dbg_msg` to `log_debug` or `log_trace` 22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] can u bcs u added it xd 22:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 22:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] no i can do it too, i'm just mad that SDL stuff never works under windows so i rq coding again 22:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] apparently u cannot kill a window under windows after only 1-2 frames were rendered... i cannot imagine it otherwise 22:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's the windows way, stuff that's completely arbitrary from the perspective of the user 22:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] i'm already mad that u cannot just open a msg box lmao xd 22:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] windows fullscreen is so weird, windows has no more control over exclusive fullscreen windows 22:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] and the drivers apparently dont have enough control over the windows compositor to render stuff 22:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] so basically they cancel each other out 22:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Honestly, that's how I understand exclusive fullscreen on any OS. Isn't that like the point? The app that has exclusive fullscreen basically controls everything rendered on the screen 22:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] mhhhhhhhhhhhhh 22:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dunno 22:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] linux solved it and it still has better input times 22:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's already bizarre to me that you seem to be able to render stuff on top of exclusive fullscreen apps under X 22:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] but imagine it like this 22:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] So bizarre that I wasn't even sure if what linux has nowadays is even exclusive fullscreen 22:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] u dont render stuff from WM 22:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] u have 100% exclusive 22:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] there is a popup 22:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] u have fullscreen(looks like before) but not exclusive 22:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u dont get 10 seconds black screen like on windows when going from fullscreen to minimize it should easily work 22:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean it might not be 10000000=% exclusive fullscreen 22:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] but some if(hasevent) check cannot be a reason to not do it like linux does it 22:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] Problem as far as I understand it is that that used to entail a mode change for the longest time, I don't even know when the requirement really went away 22:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] this can never cause so much perf decrease 22:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Like when you get a popup the app that had exclusive fullscreen now becomes borderless fullscreen on linux? 22:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dunno, there is the same amount of information going to the monitor 22:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean just for the few moments another event is there, but yes 22:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think linux also calls it direct scanout 22:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok wayland calls it like that 22:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] but they still force vsync 22:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] evil 22:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] What I thought was that in this special mode that is exclusive fullscreen, there is no intermediate handling anything, it's like GDI handing the control of the entire framebuffer to your application. Or an example in linux would be going from tty to X, even when this doesn't involve a change of mode it still gets that black screen in between. 22:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] I should investigate it more, I honestly don't know much about the lowest layer of the graphics stack in either linux or windows 22:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] i just wonder why? 22:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean if X does nothing than just do a simple if(event) check for every swap in buffers 22:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] it should be fair enough shouldnt it? 22:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] in the end if x writes the framebuffer or other software does that really matter? 22:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] they can simply switch whenever they like 22:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] I thought the idea was avoiding an extra copy of the framebuffer. E.g. your software copies to a buffer in x, x copies the buffer to the driver, vs your software copies it directly to the driver 22:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Again, I'm not sure, that's just the mental model I had for it for the longest time when thinking about the difference between exclusive and windowed fullscreen 22:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok but then, why would x even get the framebuffer in first place, why not let the driver handle the x code 22:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] i see them more as the same 22:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] in the end its some call to the gpu kernel drm stuff 22:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well the WM needs to decorate the window, cursors need to be drawn over it, there might be popups to render above it 22:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] If X isn't inbetween, e.g. you have direct access to the driver, nothing can be rendered on top 22:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes i understand that, but then again just switch ur app between app only and window manager + framebuffer of the windowed game 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] but tbh... why would a video mode change ever cause such blackscreens anyway? 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] is the monitor processor so slow? 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean we are in 2022 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] nobody can tell me init 4mb buffers takes 3 seconds 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] That part I have 0 clue about, it might have something to do with legacy signalling standards 22:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] Like need to wait 100 vblanks before sending any new video so CRT tvs can catch up or sth 22:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] lmao 22:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] well who knows 22:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] i ofc also dunno what linux does internally, or what monitors do 22:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] but from my naive point of view i dont see a reason for it 22:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] at least not such times 22:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or maybe there are some signalling constraints, the monitor has to sync up to the signal properly, for which some sort of clock recovery needs to take place, that can take a while to settle 22:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u not changing resolution i'd also just render 16bit colors in the 32bit colorspace 22:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] bcs why should this cause a video change 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] No change in resolution usually does result in no blackscreen nowadays, so something did get better somewhere along the way 😄 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah but windows for example does it, everytime for exclusive fullscreen, for some ppl even 3 seconds or more 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] now we at the start of our discussion again i know 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] but i simply cannot imagine a good reason 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] I thought that didn't happen for you, does it? 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] but windows updates also take 10-20 minutes 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] that's also not logical to me ^^ 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] on windows for me it does it for like half a second 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] but yes i also get this 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] on linux i dont get any of that 22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] and funnily enough, we meassured input lag with a arduino light sensor and linux was faster or equally fast as windows in ddnet 22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] so it's not like linux trades anything for it 22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] (the light sensor has 8khz refresh rate) 22:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] This one I can actually explain, it's the shitty unefficient format of the delivered updates, they come in these small chunks that independently install and each create a rollback point so at any error during the installation it can be undone 22:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok, i just wonder why they dont improve it xD 22:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] this cant be the best microsoft came up with 22:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] after 25 years of making OS 22:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] No need to, it works, it worked for decades, they just do the updates when people don't use the computer and they heavily background it incase they have to coincide with computer use 22:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's also a profit seeking entity, if faster updates isn't something people would pay extra for, why bother? 22:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] everytime i start windows i can a big update.. so probs all 6 months xDDD 22:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] and then the grant waiting starts 22:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] you are absolutly right 22:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats probs their logic 22:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well do you boot into windows every day? Most of their users do, so they probably get smaller wait times at boot instead of one huge chunk like dual booters which make up a very small amount of microsoft clients 😛 22:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah ^^ 22:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anyway, I'm actually interested in how windows and linux handle exclusive fullscreen differently, I'll dig a bit into it 22:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] At work I still saw this problem: Person comes back after long vacation, important meeting on first day, and Windows update decides to run at that time and person can't present for 20 minutes 22:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] or are you talking about the time before update runs? 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] nice, i can just tell ya, with KDE compositor with some effect that requires bit of GPU work, it's defs slower if the window renders some overlay, e.g. alt+tab overlay 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] so it defs changes in between them "silently" 😄 22:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hm, don't big corporations just do their updates completely on patch tuesdays? 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