10:12 <+ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 debian be like ... https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1659946301.png 10:12 <+ChillerDragon> do i need to compile wireshark from source? :D 10:12 <+ChillerDragon> or does it have todo with me putting it in ~/.local/lib/wireshark/plugins/3.4/epan/ as it suggests in the readme 11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yo, isn't there an entity which has no collision to the player and the hook, but has collision for weapon projectiles? 11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] If not, then I would like to help making designs for new entities like that 11:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] weapon tele? 11:43 <+ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 oke nice i compiled wireshark 3.6 from source and put it in 3.6/epan to get it working :) maybe it makes sense to update the readme 11:47 <+ChillerDragon> Would be nice if this packet would have some info too :) https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1659952021.png 11:50 <+ChillerDragon> it should be NET_CTRLMSG_ACCEPT 11:50 <+ChillerDragon> or ctrl.accept in your lingo 11:58 <+ChillerDragon> what the hell github? is this some profile styling thing or is this real? https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1659952695.png 11:59 <+ChillerDragon> oh nvm thats the status :D what a troll he is really fucking his own reputation 12:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon: theoretically, this message doesn't exist anymore: https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/commit/d3fc0807d5f59d88661c8e58854805b064db3c4d 12:32 <+ChillerDragon> wot 12:32 <+ChillerDragon> my server still sends it 12:33 <+ChillerDragon> wait the commit you sent added the message so it is practically there 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh, you're right 12:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon: should be fixed 12:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] weap tele won't do instantanious blowups, right? 12:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] otherwise, i would've done that 12:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] weap tele do instantanious blowups, right? 12:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] weap tele does instantanious blowups, right? 12:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] But yeah, you can use tele to teleport out projectiles, but it's not what I want to point out. there is no entity which has hitbox to projectiles only, so that it's similar to the hook-blocking entity (the one with all direction and and one with one direction blocks) 15:40 <+ChillerDragon> omg its sending the token in wrong ednianess aaaa 15:40 <+ChillerDragon> how did that happen :D 15:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] Wait is this code flippin the endianness?```c 15:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] aBuffer[i++] = (pPacket->m_Token>>24)&0xff; // token 15:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] aBuffer[i++] = (pPacket->m_Token>>16)&0xff; 15:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] aBuffer[i++] = (pPacket->m_Token>>8)&0xff; 15:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] aBuffer[i++] = (pPacket->m_Token)&0xff; 15:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] ``` 15:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] fakin bitflippas 15:43 <+ChillerDragon> holy shit yes! 15:43 <+ChillerDragon> omg its working 17:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] chillerdragon: what are you doing? 17:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] also, tokens don't really have an endianness, just send them out the same way you received them 17:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well they ended up wrong.Im trying to support connecting to 0.7 servers with ddnet Client. 17:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] (@heinrich5991) 17:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] that's what you wanted to use my dissector for? ^^ 17:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yea for debugging. 17:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] cool 🙂 17:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] But my 0.7 server is already printing pretty much the same information but still very cool to have a dissector 19:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] Good morning or evening, could you explain to me how to create an xp system, I mean by making a kill you get a point 19:43 <+ChillerDragon> @Netsu_07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA4ENrxzXvY 19:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh 19:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] thanks 19:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] can you tell me where i start work 19:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] in what file or where 19:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] but i need it with a register and login, so u can save your points 😬 19:47 <+ChillerDragon> its all in the video and video series 19:47 <+ChillerDragon> also on how to create a account using chat commands 19:48 <+ChillerDragon> i could send you some filenames but not sure how much that helps. What code base do you use ddnet or teeworlds? Anyways gamecontext.cpp and ddracechat.cpp are good files to look at 19:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] vscode 19:49 <+ChillerDragon> just skip through the videos if you are only interetested in the general idea 19:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh wait what do you mean with it 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] im using ddnet 19:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] and an xp system like BlmapChill? i mean farming from staying in a tile 19:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] 1 xp and money per sec 19:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] fokkonaut tell me to look https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet 20:06 <+ChillerDragon> i did not cover farmtiles yet but good idea i can do that 20:07 <+ChillerDragon> you can do those in character.cpp 20:07 <+ChillerDragon> @Netsu_07 if you are interested in ddnet with accounts and farmtiles you can also try https://github.com/DDNetPP/DDNetPP sadly it is not very stable right now 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] thanks! 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] amh what i have to do xd 20:08 <+ChillerDragon> for farmtiles? 20:08 <+ChillerDragon> you can define tiles in this file https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/3273781d3f577bb6dba16b3d19d4e9e73fbd6e8a/src/game/mapitems.h 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] ohhh 20:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddnet++ 20:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] how can i use it 20:09 <+ChillerDragon> and then their logic here https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/3273781d3f577bb6dba16b3d19d4e9e73fbd6e8a/src/game/server/entities/character.cpp#L1394 20:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] okay 20:09 <+ChillerDragon> @Netsu_07 its a ddnet server you just start it and then you can use chat commands in game like /register and so on 20:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] is like a normal ddnet? 20:09 <+ChillerDragon> it is like normal ddnet + accounts and a few other additions 20:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] how can i start the client xd 20:10 <+ChillerDragon> there is no client 20:10 <+ChillerDragon> its server only 20:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] only files? 20:10 <+ChillerDragon> did you ever start a teeworlds server? -.- 20:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes.. 20:11 <+ChillerDragon> https://github.com/DDNetPP/DDNetPP/releases/download/v.0.0.7/windows_DDNetPP.exe 20:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] but not like that 20:11 <+ChillerDragon> here is a exe that you can just double click to run 20:11 <+ChillerDragon> that build is from 2019 so its quite outdated i recommend building it from source 20:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] i need it for? 20:11 <+ChillerDragon> do you know how to compile ddnet source code? 20:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 20:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] 20:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] D: 20:12 <+ChillerDragon> well then i recommend starting with that 20:12 <+ChillerDragon> before you think about writing code 20:12 <+ChillerDragon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsoGOfBqPns 20:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Netsu_07 i already told you to look at the building instructions on github.com/ddnet/ddnet like 1 hour ago :D 20:12 <+ChillerDragon> works the same way for ddnet 20:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] i know i just send you 30 messages but ur more interested to trash talk with ur friends 20:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, you wrote me "send portal files plz" 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] before that 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] why do you delete your message 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] im talking with you not 50 people 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] they can see it anyways 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] 1930 people 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] i know 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] seems like not 20:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] foko shat 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] im trying to learn with chiller not with you 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] why do you delete your message 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] @fokkonaut @Netsu_07 please stop taunting each other 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 chill, its a player from my server... 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] nice reason xd 20:19 <+ChillerDragon> cyber police arrived ! 20:20 <+ChillerDragon> what is your final goal even @Netsu_07 ? 20:20 <+ChillerDragon> and how much work are you willing to put in? 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] i can spend 5 hours a day into that 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] make a good server, not a trash one 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] im trying to learn 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] so 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] KOG BRA ? 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] block server 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] SIM 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😠 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] wha? 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😦 20:23 <+ChillerDragon> @Netsu_07 okay so i really recommend getting the source code to compile and then do a few changes to it and see how that works 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] 5Gb of visual studio 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] wow 20:23 <+ChillerDragon> yes 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] okay 20:23 <+ChillerDragon> thats why i asked about your commitment 20:23 <+ChillerDragon> the first step is the hardest 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] yea xd 20:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] chiller is that? 20:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1006267110680432680/Cattura.PNG 20:26 <+ChillerDragon> yes 20:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] i have to dowloand vscode after right? 20:27 <+ChillerDragon> you dont have to 20:27 <+ChillerDragon> this step is optional 20:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh 20:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats grate 20:27 <+ChillerDragon> i personally think vscode is nicer than visual studio as its more lightweight and faster 20:28 <+ChillerDragon> but you can also use visual studio to edit the code which makse sense if you use it to compile as well 20:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] mh 20:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] could you tell me all the steps i will have to do? I mean by learning how to create map systems 20:30 <+ChillerDragon> no i can not "tell you all the steps [..] to create map systems" in this chat 20:31 <+ChillerDragon> I do not even know what "create map systems" is 20:31 <+ChillerDragon> You seem to have a very complex goal. I can not give you detailed instructions on all of it. But as I said to get started developing in ddnet you need to be able to compile and then you can play around with the code to get familiar 20:33 <+ChillerDragon> my youtube series gives some examples and is designed for complete beginners to get their hands dirty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB_aSIOmdu4&list=PLhJkqAQmOh5LyYOfnMy4PJB6CSZltQyTc its made for teeworlds not ddnet but the concepts are pretty much the same and you can apply it to ddnet code. I usually mention what woud be different in ddnet 20:33 <+ChillerDragon> and then you can tackle your bigger goals of build a full ddnet mod. Start with small goals and go step by step 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] this mork even for ddnet? 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] or only teeworlds 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] i arl did that 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] bit my teeworlds is bugged like shit xd 20:37 <+ChillerDragon> how is it bugged? 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] all the fonts are bugged 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] i send u a photo 20:37 <+ChillerDragon> make sure your data folders are in the right location 20:38 <+ChillerDragon> you need a data folder next to the client that you start 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] finally a tutorial to teach a monkey(me) how to compile this, and i like how the volume keep getting lower:kek: 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1006270314650550374/Cattura.PNG 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] have you tried other language? 20:39 <+ChillerDragon> @cheeser0613 somehow i always fuck up sound 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] nop 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] wait 20:39 <+ChillerDragon> ou that screen looks cursed :D 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] yea xd 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] visual studio is dowloand 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] grate 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Disable texture compression 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] i will start 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] ? 20:40 <+ChillerDragon> well you are interested in server development anyways so you can ignore the client 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] In graphic settings inside the game 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Then restart 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] what do you mean cursed, it looks normal to me 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1006270770202300466/unknown.png 20:40 <+ChillerDragon> CHINA be like :D 20:41 <+ChillerDragon> latest version has better symbol support 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] aaa thanks 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] is fixed 20:41 <+ChillerDragon> jopstar pro 20:41 <+ChillerDragon> u can ask him anything gfx related 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] hhahaha 20:41 <+ChillerDragon> he is founder of amd 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] chiller so i do that? 20:42 <+ChillerDragon> yes 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] I made rtx 4090 single handed 20:42 <+ChillerDragon> wat ever "that" is 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] and i start modify some codes? 20:42 <+ChillerDragon> @Jupstar amd rtx 4090 :d 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yes 20:42 <+ChillerDragon> yes gogogo hack away 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] 4090x 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] 8080 20:43 <+ChillerDragon> 3000 20:45 <+ChillerDragon> pink rat 20:46 <+Konsti> Serious question: Why is the name "Niger" banned on DDNet? Its a country in Africa and a State in Nigeria. Pretty racist lol 20:47 <+ChillerDragon> is it? 20:47 <+ChillerDragon> isnt there a active player with a way more offensive name? 20:48 <+ChillerDragon> I can hear heinrich furiously breathing in my neck 20:48 <+ChillerDragon> "please do not discuss rules" 20:49 <+ChillerDragon> admins words are final and authority should never be doubted in public chat in the ddnet state 20:49 <+ChillerDragon> discussing rules is a bannable offense 20:50 <+ChillerDragon> Konsti: maybe some trol used it to be offensive and then someone tried to fix the situation 20:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] dont say that or u get banned, i already got timed out for explaining smth 20:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] Let's start a revolution chillerdragon 20:51 <+ChillerDragon> last revolution got ryo (the best mod) kicked from staff 20:51 <+ChillerDragon> no chance 20:51 <+Konsti> Ryo became good based goy after he was kicked 20:51 <+ChillerDragon> Konsti even has to use irc 20:51 <+Konsti> i like IRC 20:51 <+ChillerDragon> OKE 20:51 <+Konsti> no accounts=good 20:51 <+ChillerDragon> yes irc is good 20:52 <+ChillerDragon> but that fact that you need a "no accounts" place to be able to freely speak is sad 20:52 <+ChillerDragon> censornet 20:52 <+Konsti> deen is the best admin 20:53 < fokkonaut> true 20:53 <+ChillerDragon> all hail deen 20:54 <+fokkonaut> i rqed discord cuz of heinrich 20:54 <+Konsti> xd 20:55 <+Konsti> understandable 20:55 <+Konsti> some admins try too much to influence players and chat behaviour. That doesnt work in a game full of emotions and people of all countrys 20:56 <+ChillerDragon> mimimimi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance 20:56 <+fokkonaut> true Konsti 20:56 <+fokkonaut> dont hate me but he might just close off the bridge so i cant type here haha 20:56 <+Konsti> rip 20:56 <+fokkonaut> i smell it 20:56 <+ChillerDragon> a wot 20:57 <+ChillerDragon> no riot in my irc pls :c 20:57 <+ChillerDragon> i live here 21:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] No u 21:01 <+fokkonaut> no u 21:02 <+ChillerDragon> learath dont ghost pink rat he asked question :c 21:03 <+ChillerDragon> Konsti: btw why do you even care? 21:03 <+ChillerDragon> do you want to play with that name? or just curious? 21:03 <+Konsti> curious 21:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] black lives matter 21:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] because 21:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] What was the question? 21:07 <+Konsti> [20:46] <+Konsti> Serious question: Why is the name "Niger" banned on DDNet? Its a country in Africa and a State in Nigeria. Pretty racist lol 21:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] d 21:08 <+fokkonaut> It's actually also a pre-name 21:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] It probably got banned because it is within 1 levenshtein distance of the racial slur you love so much 21:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] Namebans we do with levenshtein distance 1 or 2 by default if the word is long enough 21:15 <+ChillerDragon> but there is a player using the name with 0 levenstein distance? 21:15 <+ChillerDragon> or used to be maybe he is banned now :c his points are still there 21:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm in the middle of the Mediterranean. Mine is just a guess 21:15 <+ChillerDragon> is "guy" banned? hrhrhr 21:16 <+ChillerDragon> i red "Mediterranean mine" 21:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] "gay" isn't banned either afaik 21:16 <+ChillerDragon> ah 21:16 <+ChillerDragon> because gay is not a insult :p 21:16 <+ChillerDragon> ddnet very anti lgbtq+ 21:17 <+ChillerDragon> i mean queer ppl also use the term gay but most players using that name use it in a negative sense 21:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yes so anti lgbtqiaa2s+ that we famously ban all of them 21:18 <+ChillerDragon> tripple iaa standard 21:18 <+ChillerDragon> wotefek is that xd 21:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] I can't follow it anymore either. 21:18 <+ChillerDragon> well its no secret that homophobia is widly ignored/accepted in ddnet 21:20 <+fokkonaut> but u get banned if u say 1 thing against "moderation" 21:20 <+ChillerDragon> i guess you can not make it right for anyone 21:20 <+ChillerDragon> everyone* 21:20 <+ChillerDragon> omg english is hard 21:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] > well its no secret that homophobia is widly ignored/accepted in ddnet 21:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] I try to work against that; ingame moderation tools are limited unfortunately 21:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] We can't fix things not reported to us 21:22 <+ChillerDragon> its not about big incidents 21:22 <+ChillerDragon> its more like that it is common sense that "gay part" means "bad part" 21:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] > but u get banned if u say 1 thing against "moderation" 21:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] that refers to getting muted for discussing moderator actions 21:23 <+ChillerDragon> most of the users have nothing against gays but that wording still gives convidence to those who actually mean it 21:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] > its more like that it is common sense that "gay part" means "bad part" 21:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] although I wouldn't use that word this way, I wouldn't say that this is what I'd understand when you say 'ddnet has a problem with homophobia' 21:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's also in the dictionary, with that meaning 21:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] > (slang, derogatory) Used to express dislike: lame, uncool, stupid. 21:24 <+ChillerDragon> i know "gay" as happy? 21:24 <+ChillerDragon> not lame 21:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] > i know "gay" as happy? 21:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] that's not really in use anymore 21:25 <+ChillerDragon> maybe im just too conservative then haha 21:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] it falls more under the 'thou hast angered me' category 21:25 <+ChillerDragon> should ask some queers if they feel offended by that 21:25 <+ChillerDragon> fokkonaut: do you mind me saying "gay" hrhrhhr 21:25 <+ChillerDragon> ok lame joke sorry 21:26 <+ChillerDragon> wotefek is "thou hast angered me" :D 21:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] older english 21:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] I honestly always found this discussion silly. Words have different connotations in different regions in different contexts. Calling a part gay has nothing to do with homophobia but just habitual speech. Does "fuck" really have anything to do with intercourse in most contexts? 21:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] Sanitization of language is a silly liberal fetish. Do you think banning the use of words will change the opinions of people? 21:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] A so only Shakespeare uses gay as happy 21:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yea I am with you to some degree. But nobody gets offended by fuck. Using a minority as a synonym for bad normalized discrimination imo 21:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] (@Learath2) 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] It creates a bad stigma even if it’s just a joke 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] It becomes a very thin line if those jokes really get into details of the sexual orientation 21:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] And do you think banning people that are not actually homophobic for habitual speech will fix homophobia? 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] Do you think banning the n-word made Konsti less of a white supremacist? 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] To that degree that it took me way to long to realize that one dude in tw Chat honestly had proper hate against gays 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] No I don’t think that 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] Im against censor 21:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just wanted to point out how I feel about that 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don’t approve the tolerance Paradoxon 21:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] I prefer anarchy 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] anarchy means I kick you out because I have +o? 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] No 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah, that's bad anarchy 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anarchy in the sense of nobody with kick rights 21:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Everyone has the same power 21:33 <+Konsti> lmao heinrich you cannot apply "western standards" to a worldwide community with mostly very conservative religious playerbase. You one one side have strict christians in East Europe and Latinamerica and on the other Hand strict Muslims in a big part. xD You cant force them your subjective opinion about Morality 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] That's not just anarchy, who is stopping people from getting more power? 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddos is anarchy 😉 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] I can tell them not to insult others, regardless of where they're from 21:35 <+fokkonaut_> PuBliC mOdERatIoN DiscUsSIonS wILl bE bAnnEd 21:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] please stop it 😦 21:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yes it’s not all good. But rules don’t help against ddos either 21:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] (@heinrich5991) 21:35 <+Konsti> that is, regardless where they from, a common thing in an emotional game like teeworlds. This isnt a safe space 21:35 <+fokkonaut_> @heinrich5991 just see how you treat me, LOL 21:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] I haven't said a word about 'safe spaces' 21:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] I just like environments where admins don’t use their power to enforce rules. That’s what I mean by anarchy 21:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] (@Learath2) 21:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] I just said "I can tell them not to insult others, regardless of where they're from" 21:36 <+fokkonaut_> ok nvm bro xD 21:36 <+Konsti> and having different views on lgbt is not your business because not all the world shares your opinion xD. You wouldnt even find staff in chile servers to make people stop that 21:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] and if you disagree with that, I'll be happy to show you the door, Konsti 21:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] 'having different views on lgbt' doesn't mean you get to insult people 21:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] that's just being an asshole 21:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] That's not anarchy. That requires some sort of all powerful entity to keep everyone equal or requires everyone to be all powerful 21:37 <+fokkonaut_> I definitely wasnt kept equal for heinrich ^^ 21:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] Some sort of messed up socialism 21:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yes. Totally agree 21:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] (<@749222324980416602_=5bquakenet=5d=20=4bonsti>) 21:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anarcho communism of sorths 21:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't get where you come from that you think it's okay to insult people if they're from a certain subgroup 21:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] but only then 21:38 <+Konsti> i mean im glad ddnet has pretty low level of moderation, otherwise i would be lifebanned and i agree there should be a minimum level of "behaviour" but damn let people express their emotions if they die after 4h of playing xD 21:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] can you give an example of behavior you wouldn't want to be banned, Konsti? 21:39 <+fokkonaut_> saying "chill" to you, thanks 21:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] I mean. A admin should implement code to enforce rules not human decisions 21:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] (@Learath2) 21:39 <+Konsti> doesnt mean they have to shout "NI****" but crying in caps and calling someone a retard shouldnt be punished because its emotions 21:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] How could code that cant even figure out the structure of sentences figure out what hate speech is 21:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Like use antibot code to ban bots and allow alll chat usage. Whoever is offended can use client side mute feature. And there is no need for a admin to punish users manually 21:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just allow hate speech 21:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] And let every user censor them self what they dislike 21:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] But ye I get it kids game and all 21:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] how do you do this? 21:41 <+fokkonaut> make tw 18+ 21:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] You make your own community and allow hate speech a là 4chan 21:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yes 21:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] It’s not that I want to do hate speech. I just wan to speak freely and discuss rules without the constant fear or getting banned by ddnet staff due to their disagreement 21:42 <+fokkonaut> @heinrich5991 21:42 <+fokkonaut> @heinrich5991 21:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] You spam, then you wonder why you get banned 21:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] Bizarre behaviour 21:42 <+fokkonaut> Didnt spam 21:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] When did you ever get banned for discussing rules? There is very little you ever get banned for. Grossly offensive speech is the only thing that comes to mind 21:44 <+Konsti> you get instantly banned for discussing rules 21:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] Discussing specific moderator actions is a mute 21:44 <+Konsti> "creating drama" 21:45 <+fokkonaut> I got timed out today for saying "chill he is from my server" 21:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Konsti: We are discussing rules right now. Are you banned? 21:45 <+fokkonaut> heinrichs reason was: dont judge my moderation 21:45 <+fokkonaut> LMAO 21:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh i did. get banned and muted a lot 21:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] Not recently but it happens 21:46 <+Konsti> and discussing mods... lmao. Censorship really doesnt help. Admins absolutely dont care about reports. So you ban one by one unless someone is so bad that it creates a shitstorm 21:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Discussing specific moderator action* 21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] And we ofc care about reports, recently a mod was removed due to player reports 21:49 <+fokkonaut> > unless someone is so bad that it creates a shitstorm 21:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] Imo it creates a toxic environment when there is a administrator that decides what is allowed to say and what is not 21:51 <+fokkonaut> F3 21:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] I do not feel like I can speak freely in here 21:51 <+fokkonaut> heinrichs response once: "you cant" 21:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] And I would not call my self a hateful or edgy person 21:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yet you still do speak extremely freely 21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] How do you know what I hold back? 21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] We are responsible for the kind of speech on our servers. I'm sorry. We don't want to allow hate speech. It's very simple 21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] I wouldn‘t consider disagreeing with a admin hate speech 21:52 <+fokkonaut> was just about to say tha 21:53 <+fokkonaut> t 21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] How hard it is to not just be hateful of others? Literally 3 rules. Keep personal drama in DMs, don't use hare speech, don't talk about specific moderator actions 21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] It’s the last part 21:54 <+fokkonaut> You see how good rule #3 works? Disallowing things never worked in history, you should simply talk openly about it, make clear what is happening, instead of (maybe) having conflicts based on misunderstandings. 21:54 <+fokkonaut> aka heinrichs judgements 21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Idk why you guys want to be able to say the n word so badly 21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Instead of reporting his supposedly horrible action to any of the admins you've been going on about it with an open racist and a libertarian. How sure are you that his moderation action was wrong,m 21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Missed the pint 21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] (@Dr.Funmanteddy) 21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Point 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] not really 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] you say you want anarachy 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] and thats dumb af 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you are so confident he made a gross mistake, go report it to any of us. Do you think heinrich controls all 5 of the admins? 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] its not a restriction of your liberties to be able to not use hate speech to others 21:56 <+fokkonaut> @Learath2 I go with nobody, I am just agreeing with Chiller that its better not to censor talking about moderators' actions. LOL 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] to be fair, they're currently talking about the rule "do not discuss specific moderator actions" 21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] I prefer toxic messages from people without power that I can mute. Over toxic admins that censor me for everyone based on their emotions 21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] In reality you know you've been acting like a total degenerate for the last 3 months, that's why you go on about it publicly trying to get fringe people on your side 21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] different debate 21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] ? 21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] (@Learath2) 21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] i say you saying you think hate speech shouldnt be banned 21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] saw* 21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] Multiple admins exist. If you think one of us muted you for emotional reasons. Just report it to another 21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk if the admins are toxic or not 21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] Not you, fokkonaut 21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] from what ive seen they have be doing a good job 21:58 <+fokkonaut> @Learath2 in reality its you being a degenerate, lol. It started with your anger :) I just dont want to keep it silent anymore, since of course in that situation you were "not the one to make a mistake" :D Of course, cuz an admin can not do any mistakes. 21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yea it’s okay sure. 21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Until it isn’t \:d 21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] I want a revolution. Then u can call myself revolutionary, and that's pretty badass 21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] And if it isn’t there is no space for conversation anymore 22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] wow the slippery slope fallacy 22:00 <+fokkonaut> @learath2 instead of solving things diplomatically you try to push one to the corner and try to hide your own mistakes. 22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] You don't want to keep it silent. Yet you didn't even try complaining to another admin. You just went and made vague accusations 22:02 <+fokkonaut> What kinda admin writes "In reality you know you've been acting like a total degenerate for the last 3 months, that's why you go on about it publicly trying to get fringe people on your side"? 22:02 <+fokkonaut> As an answer to "I go with nobody, I am just agreeing with Chiller that its better not to censor talking about moderators' actions. LOL" 22:03 <+fokkonaut> So much to the topic hate speech 22:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Simple, it wasnt an answer to that 22:03 <+fokkonaut> Well, it doesnt matter whether it was a direct answer or not 22:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] fokkonaut: please report problems with specific moderator actions to other admins, not in public chat. this is your last warning 22:04 <+fokkonaut> What? I was just referring to the last messages he wrote 22:04 <+ChillerDragon> what was the reason for that rule again? 22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm a bit late, sorry 22:04 <+fokkonaut> Yea heinrich, better check the history and see it yourself 22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] also @Learath2 and fokkonaut, calling others degenerate is clearly insulting 22:04 <+ChillerDragon> What about a ddnet server where there are no chat rules? o.O 22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] host one ChillerDragon 22:05 <+ChillerDragon> i offer it to deen every year 22:05 <+ChillerDragon> he declines 22:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] host one outside of DDNet 22:05 <+ChillerDragon> i do that since always 22:05 <+ChillerDragon> but i can not get ddnet points and use the chat freely 22:05 <+ChillerDragon> for example using chat bots and similar 22:05 <+fokkonaut> @heinrich5991 Look. If an admin that tries to go against us disliking such rules comes with insults around the corner, why should I say "hey, bro, very nice of you, thanks!" 22:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] you shouldn't insult people 22:06 <+fokkonaut> @Learathj2 22:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] Not possible if you have more than >10 players ^^ 22:06 <+ChillerDragon> heat has to go somewhere 22:06 <+ChillerDragon> @Avolicious hm? 22:06 <+ChillerDragon> omg discord replys 22:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] and another person also doing that isn't an excuse 22:06 <+ChillerDragon> i rq 22:06 <+fokkonaut> @heinrich5991 no, of course its not, im not saying that, but do you see how you prefer him again over me? 22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 hasn't been insulting me in DMs in the last couple of hours, last that I checked 22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] I also pinged him 22:07 <+fokkonaut> I havent insulted you either 22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] Insults aren't hate speech. The way you have been acting for the last 3 months, I just haven't found any words to describe it better 22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hosting a service for all kinds of people comes with responsibility, by law and 3rd parties 22:07 <+fokkonaut> I told you what I dislike, cuz you muted me for "public moderation discussion" 22:07 <+fokkonaut> > Insults aren't hate speech. The way you have been acting for the last 3 months, I just haven't found any words to describe it better 22:08 <+fokkonaut> Ah, and you felt attacked by the freeze change 22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] complain to other admins, not in public chat fokkonaut 22:09 <+fokkonaut> Well, if learath insults me and has so much anger he doesnt know where to put, and you keep ignoring the important questions i asked u in dm, then where else should i go? Why do you make yourself an enemy if only I want to solve things diplomatically and with same rights for everyone in here? 22:09 <@heinrich5991> (kicked) 22:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] @ChillerDragon, just read JuSchG ( Jugendschutzgesetz ) in germany ( esp. Abs. 3 §10 a, b ) 22:09 <+fokkonaut_> Very original. 22:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] " if only I want to solve things diplomatically", that always don't sound good 22:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] :justatest: 22:09 <+fokkonaut_> Maybe keep out if you dont have a clue 22:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] I saw your convos with heinrich too 22:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] i pretty much know 22:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://tenor.com/view/why-cant-we-be-friends-freddie-kreuger-darth-vader-dracula-jason-voorhees-gif-5469319 22:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <3 22:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm not particularly angry tbf 22:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] But if you don't trust me to take proper action either there is still deen, murpi and snail 22:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] I made the IRC channel moderated, and kicked Nimda which voiced all joining people 22:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] 5 people with admin rights, yet you don't believe a single one will agree with you. Could it maybe be that maybe you are in the wrong here? 22:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] well, at least I installed an IRC client on my new laptop now 22:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] As I learned things from here, it's never a good thing to blame others if you cannot see the problem in the first place and somehow fokko's conversation kinda proves that he likes to dodge solutions for those problems and just want to create more out of spite or hate 22:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah makes sense 22:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] fokkoff-naut :gigachad: 22:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] Zwelf: please ban fokkonaut from the bridge, he's evading 22:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] insult 22:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] jk, idk, imma just sit and ear popcorn while i read this chat 🍿 22:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anyway, before I go sleep. I'd like to restate. We have very little rules and discussion of them are completely fine. Don't use hate speech, keep personal stuff in DMs and report specific mod actions you disagree with to admins. 22:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] jk, idk, imma just sit and eat popcorn while i read this chat 🍿 22:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol how many accs would you use to argue? 22:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just have a bit of fairness 22:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] Then its fine 22:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] fokkonaut: Just where do you see this going? Do you think we'll reconsider if you keep evading? 22:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] btw how do you guys join discord server as a bot? seems quite interesting. 22:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] why not use the discord mobile client? 22:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] done 22:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] external app or website which you can anonymously join to a discord "bridge" via bot accs like fokkonaut has 22:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can join this channel on irc.quakenet.org (#ddnet) and on matrix 22:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] so basically all custom? whats the appeal in doing that other than coding something up yourself? 22:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] Zwelf can probably tell you how to connect on matrix 22:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://discord.gg/MSYcjYvU6e 22:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] 👀 22:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh cool cheers, will take a look 22:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's not custom, it bridges existing chat protocols together. IRC, matrix and discord 22:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Matrix: https://matrix.to/#/#ddnet:matrix.org contains all currently bridged rooms (#developer and #wiki). 22:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Matrix: https://matrix.to/#/#ddnet:matrix.org contains all currently bridged rooms (#developer and #wiki + #announcements + #map-releases).