00:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/wfzzgk/how_to_fix_bugs/ 00:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] sorry, forgot to paste the link 😄 https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1004599596477054987 00:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe a cmake bug? I haven't seen this when cross-compiling 00:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Do you use the cmake toolchain file like this? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-scripts/blob/master/release/build.sh#L165 00:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] but do i need openssl or some cross compiled lib as well? 00:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, this is the call to cmake i use: 00:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] `cmake -G Ninja -DDEV=ON -DCMAKE_TOOLCHAIN_FILE=../cmake/toolchains/mingw64.toolchain ..` 00:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] they should be in ddnet-libs 00:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] try without -DDEV=ON 00:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] same result 🙂 00:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] hmm, if i comment some lines in CMakeLists it works 00:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] commenting this allow compilation 00:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] and now obviously, my mingw gcc is too old for mutex 😄 04:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1004943126202437733/unknown.png 04:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] which project? 04:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] 08:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1004992518204690482/unknown.png 08:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] also, when can there be a separate freeze skin and ninja skin? 08:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] the new visual changes are nice, but it doesnt make sense if we keep a dark-dressed ninja tee to represent a frozen tee... 08:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] and yeah some people are gonna say "well we cant use a single frozen skin to accommodate all tee skins" 08:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] but a ninja skin is just objectively worse as it doesnt accommodate any tee skin differences either 08:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] on top of not making sense 08:25 <+ChillerDragon> ou yes pls replace ninja with ice cube 08:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] on one hand i really like the concept of ninja skin as freeze, it just feels at home 08:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] 08:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] on the other this is kind of a funny idea anyways 08:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1005007198193201162/unknown.png 09:01 <+ChillerDragon> cute 09:01 <+ChillerDragon> i need that 09:01 <+ChillerDragon> @Voxel is that an actual skin? i wanna buy 09:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] hii 09:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] i'am worked in ddnet for 55 days 09:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] not yet, i just doodled it in 4 minutes 09:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] even this is better than black ninja (wtf this sounds racist) 09:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1005009924897652806/unknown.png 09:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/252358080522747904/964618663049191474/unknown.png also on the todo list is add pets :troll: 09:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] YES PLS ADD PETS 09:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] tbh light ninja as freeze and dark ninja as weapon i can get used to 09:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] add it in ddrpg 09:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] a new ddnet franchise game 09:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] actually id love tees to be like a franchise similar to mario yk 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] thatd be awesome 09:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] we could sell saddo plushies.. ❤️ 09:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] nouis plushie 09:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] :nouis: 09:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1005011877035790347/PXL_20220121_224015095.jpg 09:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] actually ive had ideas of like a tw rpg game 09:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] would be very cool 09:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] what would be the story? 09:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] i didnt think that far 😅 09:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] how about the tees meet the threes which are triangle shaped foes as opposed to the spherical shaped tees 09:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] reminds me of nepal flag 😄 09:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Threes and Fours 09:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Tees and Foes 09:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] just make a story similar to kirby + any isekai 09:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Explore and enjoy the ti.e with some plot twist 09:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] fits for tw 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] just make a story similar to kirby + any isekai 09:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Explore and enjoy the time with some plot twist 09:44 <+ChillerDragon> @louis i prefer ice blue over white and black 09:45 <+ChillerDragon> plushies!!!!!!!!!! 09:45 <+ChillerDragon> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ChillerData/Pictures/master/teeworlds/chiller/greensward_by_Souly.jpg 10:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] While I agree with all these, I'm not sure what the point of code like this is. Not like you are changing any minds with it, nor does your project control any significant capital to make real change 10:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1005025966013292574/unknown.png 10:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] Answer of the project owner 10:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] I agree with him, but these terms dont change anything about his livelihood is my point 10:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] Of course you're right, it doesn't prevent a Russian from using this code. 10:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] 10:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Of course you're right, it doesn't prevent a Russian from using this code or doesn't stop the war 10:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] god i already hate this guy 10:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] like i get its for support and all but how is this going to not only change the war but whos using it? its kind of stupid that he expects us to use the code with an active mindset on the whole russia ordeal 10:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] "we did it boys, war is no more" 10:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] You just have to laugh and move on with your life. People don't even care about real licenses. 10:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] If it was a huge project like sqlite3 I could see some use to it. It'd force big companies that use sqlite3 to basically say russia bad 10:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh yea good point 10:24 <+ChillerDragon> but which big corp use sqlite3? :troll: 10:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Most people think that if a code is open source, they can do whatever they want with it. 10:26 <+ChillerDragon> Which they usually also can 10:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] True. Hence the audacity of corporations like streamlabs basically stealing OBS 10:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] sqlite3 can be used if the site is not getting more than 150000+ hits per day. 10:26 <+ChillerDragon> I wonder if at some point github will search for code copyright violations like youtube does for music and video copyright violations 10:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you report a stolen code in a dmca thread on github, it will be removed. 10:27 <+ChillerDragon> Ah yea but nothing automated 10:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Definitely not, the fact that their copilot is basically ignoring all licenses they probably don't care much about copyright violations 10:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] copyrighted code? how would thay work? your enum has the same name as nvideas? 10:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] But you still can't prevent that person from using your code xd. 10:28 <+ChillerDragon> @Learath2 tru they would have to report them self :D 10:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] copyrighted code? how would that work? your enum has the same name as nvideas? 10:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] Can github use my code to improve the copilot without me accepting something? 10:29 <+ChillerDragon> I think a certian amount of pattern and variable naming could be defined @Voxel i mean university always claim they got tech to detect students stealing code but maybe they just say that :D 10:29 <+ChillerDragon> @Nora it does 10:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] weird 10:29 <+ChillerDragon> @Voxel its also weird with music or video isnt it? 10:29 <+ChillerDragon> its blurry 10:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean with music its different because its more defined and disconnected. with code its all building blocks 10:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1005030111311052881/unknown.png 10:30 <+ChillerDragon> Code is pretty defined too 10:31 <+ChillerDragon> Code might have same similar enum names and songs might have similar lyrics 10:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1005030390249050242/unknown.png 10:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😨 10:32 <+ChillerDragon> I tried to use DMCA thingy on github once to take down a teeworlds bot repo :D but it didnt work because he dint violate copyright ... who would have seen that coming 10:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Honestly most of copyright law is very much a grey area. Lawyers and governments always like to pretend it's very well defined. I guess the only thing that's consistent in copyright rulings is that the side with more money usually wins in the US 10:34 <+ChillerDragon> yea its a mess 10:34 <+ChillerDragon> but youtube kinda solved 14yo putting full adele song in their minecraft letsplay 10:34 <+ChillerDragon> same github could cover posting decompiled minecraft code to github (which they prolly do alr because they care about mc :D) 10:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Source engine has open source code on github 10:36 <+ChillerDragon> not sure if software licenses are more complex due so many different types and forks and shit 10:36 <+ChillerDragon> im sure lawyer jopstar could solve this in 100 lines of code 10:37 <+ChillerDragon> to write perfect legal AI that reports software license violations 10:37 <+ChillerDragon> yo @Learath2 how is the 0.7 dissector coming along? 10:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] I haven't made any progress 10:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] But it's nothing special to the dissector. I havent made any progress in anything 10:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] you progressed in life 🙂 10:42 <+ChillerDragon> old man 10:43 <+ChillerDragon> progresstination this should be a word 10:43 <+ChillerDragon> no idea what it would mean tho 10:44 <+ChillerDragon> im also just ideling in irc bcs im too lazy to debug da fakin protocol 10:44 <+ChillerDragon> this channel is worse than tiktok 10:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hm I guess if you take a very literal definition of progress, yes 10:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] time helps you to mature and think things through 12:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] when making songs open source? :trollge: 12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] what do you mean with that? 13:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] Do you want to make a freeze skin? @Ravie just turned the ninja skin white, but maybe you have an nicer idea 13:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] @louis you can test this build https://github.com/C0D3D3V/ddnet/actions/runs/2803132457 13:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] I will also make an video 13:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] (the ninja bar is not in final form, I just wanted to make a test build) 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] @louis you can test this build https://github.com/C0D3D3V/ddnet/actions/runs/2803145194 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] I will also make an video 13:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] @louis you can test this build 13:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] I will also make an video 13:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] @louis you can test this build () 13:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] I will also make an video 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] @louis you can test this build () 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] I will also make an video 13:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1005071915284701264/ninja_bar-2022-08-05_13.13.19.mkv 13:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] Embeddable 13:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1005072227017949224/ninjabar.mp4 13:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] with less lag: https://reputationsheriffkennethsand.com/e/0qjidmyus5cj 13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] mh voe.sx seems to be pretty annoying with its adds xD I tried to find a way to upload the videos, without using youtube :/ Does someone know a good alternative, with no adds, that is still fast and allows enough upload space 14:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Chillerdragons service xd 14:56 <+ChillerDragon> wot 14:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] Opentube 15:09 <+ChillerDragon> wot about it xd 15:09 <+ChillerDragon> a 15:10 <+ChillerDragon> didnt read the prev message was too long 15:10 <+ChillerDragon> @c0d3d3v yea if you have a vps with disk space you can just serve mp4 files using any web server and upload as fast and much as your disk and bandwith allow 15:11 <+ChillerDragon> honestly i wouldnt recommend using opentube even if i activley use it. Its ugly and its a kinda works for me setup :D 15:13 <+ChillerDragon> I can't belive im saying this. But whats wrong with discord videos? xd 15:13 <+ChillerDragon> its basically a free file hoster .. well assuming that your data is worth nothing hrhr 15:14 <+ChillerDragon> no ads and can be shared even outside of discord 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] discord's stuff can also be shared outside discord 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's also a surprisingly cheap file hoster 15:15 <+ChillerDragon> was that bridge lag or did you just copy my message? xd 15:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] I misread your message 15:17 <+ChillerDragon> o 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] Before the update, when you were freezed your skin turns into ninja skin with ninja sword and all that, me and other people want to have that style back as we‘ve grown very used to it and we find it alot more aesthetically pleasing 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Instead of all these ice cube ideas, just make the tee itself ice blue 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just a suggestion 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] Since i don’t think it’s fitting to the game at all if the tee turns into an ice cube 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] to me, it doesn't sound too bad to put an ice block around the tee 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] given that we happily lived with the skin changing to a literal ninja for years 😄 15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] hows it not fitting 15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] also what if someones skin is already ice blue 15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] Tees are usually round 15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean ill try today 15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] my graphics skills are alright but pale in comparison to ravie or voxel 15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] It will take me a long time to force myself to get used to an ice cube tee 15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] For my part 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] Thats how i was introduced to the game and I liked it 15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] that sounds to me like 'change is bad' 15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] which is okay 15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] but I wouldn't call it something else 15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] i.e. not claim that a ninja actually fits better for freeze 15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] It does but as a creator you’ll always face that 15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] if the freeze skin was a literal poop emoji for years we would get shamed for trying to change it i swear 15:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] Probably 15:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] But you had no problem implementing „cl_old_gun_position“ for these people 15:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] I’m just suggesting that you could do it again 15:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] we'd have a problem implementing `cl_old_gun_position` today 15:42 <+ChillerDragon> i think the ice "cube" could still be round to fit the tee shape 15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] That’s what I think 15:43 <+ChillerDragon> yea that would be better 15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd suggest to look at actual drawings instead of theorizing what might or might not look better 15:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't think this theorizing will lead to useful input 15:44 <+ChillerDragon> i suggest doing an actual draing of something thats round instead a cube 15:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] sure, do it 🙂 15:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] I can’t draw, I only have my theories xd 15:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] we can then compare 15:44 <+ChillerDragon> my drawings sok tho 15:44 <+ChillerDragon> but if the cube looks solid its just a wrong hitbox 15:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] not for collision ^^ 15:45 <+ChillerDragon> ha tru 15:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] then ask someone who drew a whatever-shaped ice object to try to make it round to see how it would look like 15:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] but I don't like this idea dismissing before we've actually seen it ^^ 15:45 <+ChillerDragon> are there drawings alr? 15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] If we‘d portray freeze as Ice cube, how do we portray deep? 15:46 <+ChillerDragon> darker ice 15:46 <+ChillerDragon> ez 15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just same with different eyes? I’ve found that idea always lme 15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] Lame 15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think there were some attempts already, e.g. in Zeta-Hoernchen's old ddrace 15:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] but I don't want to dig it up rn, you can look for it if you want 15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don’t think I’ll find much about it with a blank internet search 15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] I found your github tho 15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1005110423818874910/image0.jpg 15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/Speedy-Consoles/teeworlds/blob/cd00e730b384eab25528ec2aa5573f68e3d284ac/data/freeze.png, I think it looked quite good in-game 15:53 <+ChillerDragon> yea those edges are very round 15:53 <+ChillerDragon> that might work 15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] it doesn't quite look like ingame, ingame it was a lot more transparent, I think 16:17 <+ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/OpenTube/videos/users/chiller/tee_on_the_rocks.mp4 16:17 <+ChillerDragon> feet should be covered too i guess 16:18 <+ChillerDragon> and im not an artist so this is more concept than the real thing 16:24 <+ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1659709445.png 16:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] theres already a similar skin in the database 16:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1005119233870528532/unknown.png 16:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] but i guess this tee inside should be less saturated 16:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] Not bad 16:27 <+ChillerDragon> it will probably break with weirdly shaped skins :c 16:28 <+ChillerDragon> wow but i gotta say the light skin is a hughe change. Going from dark to light is gonna need some time to get used to 16:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.hyrumslaw.com/ 16:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] > With a sufficient number of users of an API, 16:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] > it does not matter what you promise in the contract: 16:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] > all observable behaviors of your system 16:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] > will be depended on by somebody. 16:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] this could be applioed to games 16:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] xD 16:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_tank_problem 16:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] interesting 17:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://godotengine.org/article/godot-3-5-cant-stop-wont-stop 17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh man, the oldest, unmarked issue/discussion 17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/237 18:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think we have the tools to make it predictable now 18:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe we can use a prng per run and the seed can be transmitted to the client at start 18:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can only upload videos <100mb and I do not want to cut my videos 18:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah ok then use a selfhosted web server 18:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] that looks really funny. What I fear about Ice block is, that the player would think you can slide over the floor as an ice block... 18:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] iv been playing with this ice skin since i posted it. Not sure what to say about it \:D 18:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] I would like to first polish up our new game design and then thinking about adding options for old animations/design (In the current state it would not be to hard to allow such options). We should try to determine what is annoying in the new design and try to improve it and polish that up. I'm not against options for old design, I personally also grown up with the old design and for example sometimes miss the old stars... But I personally w 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] have you implemented the ice cube as a overlay or is this just a skin? 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] its just a skin 18:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] but the skin is my ice texture slapped onto default.svg 18:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] My first Idea was such a skin as an overlay, so that you still can tell the persons skin 18:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] so just add sprite rendering code and u done 18:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] but the texture is not too nice imo 18:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye 18:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] should also be a non perfect cube like yours so that it does not matter if the player skin peaks out 18:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye i assume fat skins will always look cursed 18:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] that looks also nice, If we would create such an skin with only the ice without the tee, I could implement it and then we can test how it looks with different skins...