02:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] okay so i got a problem 02:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] i got a conflict in my PR, how do apply a change to the PR to solve the conflict? 02:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] i got a conflict in my PR, how do I apply a change to the PR to solve the conflict? 03:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hey there, came to ask if by any chance someone had made a program or something to convert a 0.7 skin into a 0.6 skin. 03:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you can upload an example of both skins. i can make an app 03:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you can upload an example of both skins i can make an app 03:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Garwex If you can upload an example of both skins i can make an app 03:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] I dont quiete get the versioning thing. 03:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Is 7 -> 0.7.5 and 6 -> 16.x or how does that work? 04:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] Aand for the 6th time the keyboard on my macbook is broken, I just love it, great product 04:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] one of the nicer feeling keyboards that also break very easily 06:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] Someone got a good video or sum that explains versioning? :feelsbadman: 08:54 <+ChillerDragon> which versioning? you mean version numbers in tw? or general versoning concepts? 08:54 <+ChillerDragon> thats a classic https://simver.org/ 08:55 <+ChillerDragon> ah no this is wat i meant https://semver.org/ 11:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.citusdata.com/blog/2022/05/19/speeding-up-sort-performance-in-postgres-15/ 11:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://blog.rustprooflabs.com/2022/07/postgres-15-unique-improvement-with-null 11:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] postgres more and more better 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] bruh can't use amd pstate driver bcs cppc is disabled from bios and it is hidden :d 14:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] do u use that keyboard protection that avoid dust to get in ? 14:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] You mean the ugly silicone mat things people put on there? No I don't like the feeling 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Besides I shouldn't need to. I have had 4 laptops none of them needed 6 keyboard replacements. In fact none of them ever needed any keyboard replacements :D 15:09 <+ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 still stuck on integration tests? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5205 15:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] experimenting with thin bar 15:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/996040672626880613/unknown.png 15:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] if people like this it could even be default 15:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] imo better 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] looks good, but i would put it closer to the tee 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] I would too but I think rn it's just outside the box of max tee size 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] yup, looks better imo 16:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] The tee is much bigger than the shape might suggest 16:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] the tee skin? the tee-tee collision? the tee-wall collison? 16:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] Tee skin 16:59 <+ChillerDragon> ou yea smaller looks nice 16:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] 750€ to replace a keyboard. They are out of their minds. Shipping a broken product and only allowing free fixes for 4 years 17:00 <+ChillerDragon> :apple: 17:00 <+ChillerDragon> imagine not buying the newest mac every year 17:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] I like the wider bar, but maybe just due to it being there first 17:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] EU should have been harsher on them for this shit product. Force them to recall it if they are not giving free replacements for the lifetime of the device 17:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] EU passed some decent laws recently 17:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] AFAIK, they force apple to let users run programs on their iphones, and force apple to let iphones be charged with usbc 17:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, I'm really proud of them for rising to the occasion 17:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think apple has until next year to comply with the usbc one 17:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] So the next iPhone will come with no ports at all 😄 17:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] pls god no 17:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hopefully the inconvenience in service will dissuade them 17:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] A port is very useful in running diagnostics and stuff for repair 17:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm actually surprised how easily I can use iPhone hot spot with cable using Linux. Worked instantly. But I haven't managed to copy files to it except over SMB 😄 17:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] and of course the SMB connection breaks whenever the screen goes black or I open a different application, aggressive power saving I guess 17:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm guessing they either use some generic protocol (doesn't sound like apple at all), or some kernel developer put in the time to write a driver 17:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] It'd be so out of character if apple contributed the driver themselves 😄 17:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess it's this, so not apple-affiliated: https://libimobiledevice.org/ 18:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's impressive how much opensource developer time goes to support such an opensource averse companies products. You'd think apple products wouldn't be this popular amongst the group of people that have this skillset 18:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] indeed impressive 18:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] and huge respect to these ppl 18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yep, insane amount of work reverse engineering piles upon piles of proprietary shit 18:23 <+ChillerDragon> and then apple will sue them axaxax 18:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] did you know there's no ethernet over USB standard? 18:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] everyone rolls their own 18:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's really bad 18:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] I found out when I tried to share my internet with a teacher's mac, but it simply didn't work out-of-the-box like it worked with other OSs 18:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_over_USB I guess there are some protocols, but sounds like a lot indeed. 18:40 <+ChillerDragon> wot when running commands in docker they shop up in the hosts `htop` or am i confused. I somehow expected to see a docker process instead 18:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] how long have u been having that macbook? 18:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] 5 years 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] well I guess 1 time per year 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] mine didn't break at least 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] been 1 year 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you got it after 2018 you got the new fixed keyboard on yours 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] 2018 and 2017 models had the old shit butterfly design that kept breaking 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah ok it'll be alright then 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] just the speakers somehow kinda satures now :( idk why 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe I put some water on it without noticing 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] just the speakers somehow kinda saturates now :( idk why 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] You can take it to apple and ask them while you are still covered by both their limited warranty and consumer protection 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] sadly I only had 6 months of that 18:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Where do you live that has only 6 months of consumer protection? 18:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] In France 18:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] It’s 2 years in france and italy as far as I’m aware 18:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well at least thats what they say on the assistance tab 18:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] You should check the documentation. Though I know some french, I don’t know enough to read legalese 😄 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] U're talking about the apple warranty? 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] or some kind of general consumer warranty? 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/996095903809159259/unknown.png 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm talking about that thing personally 18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] (google img up there) 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] General consumer warranty. We are in the EU where we have some semblance of proper consumer rights :P 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] owhh i'll definitely check on Apple's store then, bring it and assert my rights ! 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] owhh i'll definitely check on Apple's store then, bring it and assert my EU rights ! 19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Idk the case in france. You'll have to check it out, but with my ipad I had no trouble getting it fixed 1.5 years after purchase 19:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Android file transfer via the poor usb2 speed is also very painfull. Just use a sync tool like syncthing, and you can use the speed of your fast wifi 19:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] do you all keep your pr branches? 19:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm to lazy for cleanup. 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah just checked seems like ure right 19:51 <+ChillerDragon> does the map editor not support browsing sym linked folders? :( 19:53 <+ChillerDragon> sym linked maps work but not folders i guess the storage callback does not list sym links as folders or somthing like thart 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://twitter.com/esa/status/1546344547294318592 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] today si the day 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] poggers 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can do adb via IP 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] syncthing is nicer, because it does sync your folders every time you are in your wifi 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] and smarter... 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] and open source ;D you can get it from F-droid. But then take the fork version 20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] depends on your use case, obviously 20:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] adb is already on the phone and can transfer files. syncthing is an app that needs to be installed and is more useful for syncing folders than transferring data 20:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] in my experience, syncthing didn't immediately synchronize when new files appeared or when regaining connection to the wifi 20:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] nextcloud has been more reliable for that 20:06 <+ChillerDragon> im highly confident that gitlabs broken shell escape that gets passed to eval has room for some juicy 0days 20:07 <+ChillerDragon> i mean cmn ... 20:07 <+ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1657562830.png 20:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] very exciting 20:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] missing semicolon before `then`? 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon: ^ 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen is this comment still up-to-date? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/abc9929d35537c67e06395aaf30eb1c1252fcb87/src/engine/client/discord.cpp#L3-L4 21:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] mood 21:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/996139670943576135/unknown.png 21:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] not rly 21:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] using the map name as keys is the sensible thing to do 21:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] if that guy doesnt know how to use object.keys to iterate he is just dumbo 21:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh that guy is you 21:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] xD 21:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] well 21:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] your rant is invalid 21:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] thanks for coming to my ted talk 21:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] and you should be used to json files having dynamic properties 21:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] XD 21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] you should use rust 21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] and with serde 21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] then use Option on those parameters that might exist or not 21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] with typescript is as easy as putting a ? at the end of the name 21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] nerd property experts :kek: 21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] cringe 21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] that's what I have to learn 21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] but yeah, ryo's method works fine 21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] @ReiTW serde is the most powerfull serializer framework u will ever see 21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] its dark magic 21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] have to learn too how to convert a struct data type into a byte slice 21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] like to_be_bytes 21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] @ReiTW dont do that like that 21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] use a proper serialization algorithm 21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] if uwant bytes use bincode 21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] rust structs dont have a fixed order 21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] since rust can reorder the fields to optimize the size 21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] to avoid unecesary paddings 21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh that's nice 21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] and bincode is better 21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/bincode-org/bincode 21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah, well have to check, cuz for libbpf I have to pass a &[u8] 21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] check it out 21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh 21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] then u probs need to use 21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] #repr(C) 21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] or something 21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] what's that 21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://doc.rust-lang.org/nomicon/other-reprs.html 21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] it makes the struct follow the C memory layout 21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] > This is the most important repr. It has fairly simple intent: do what C does. The order, size, and alignment of fields is exactly what you would expect from C or C++. Any type you expect to pass through an FFI boundary should have repr(C), as C is the lingua-franca of the programming world. This is also necessary to soundly do more elaborate tricks with data layout such as reinterpreting values as a different type. 21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah then yes 21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] but how do you pass it as a byte slice then 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe with this 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/std/mem/fn.transmute.html 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] but i rly need to learn how it works 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] its unsafe 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] i never had to do that so idk 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] > transmute is semantically equivalent to a bitwise move of one type into another. It copies the bits from the source value into the destination value, then forgets the original. It’s equivalent to C’s memcpy under the hood, just like transmute_copy. 21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah that's typically smth similar as from_ne_bytes that I need 21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/996143086449213450/unknown.png 21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] yea 22:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah, do you only need to pass stuff around as native-endian @ReiTW? 22:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm a bit confused about what you mean. `if a rank has finishes > 0 then it's also got a rank, first_finish and time` Doesn't that kinda make sense? How would you want it to display the player's rank? I'm unsure what language you're using, but it's really easy to check if a property is null, and there make the assumption that the player doesn't have a finish. 22:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] What's wrong with using keys on the object, also as Ryozuki said it's really easy to loop over an object. 22:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] You're only fair criticism is that there is no documentation, which I assume is because deen throw this togheter in 30 minutes :) 22:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] TL:DR You're incredibly lazy, and expect the API to be doing everything for you. <3 22:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm a bit confused about what you mean. `if a rank has finishes > 0 then it's also got a rank, first_finish and time` Doesn't that kinda make sense? How would you want it to display the player's rank? I'm unsure what language you're using, but it's really easy to check if a property is null, and there make the assumption that the player doesn't have a finish. 22:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] What's wrong with using keys on the object, also as Ryozuki said it's really easy to loop over an object. 22:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] You're only fair criticism is that there is no documentation, which I assume is because deen throw this togheter in 30 minutes :) 22:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] TL:DR You're incredibly lazy, and expect the API to be doing everything for you. <3 @Sans 22:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Sans @kiwq no personal attacks please 22:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] :justatest: 22:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol, someone is only thinking about api beauty 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, im based 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] and also that was more of a joke than an actual complaint, i did in 2 minutes lol 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] also yes, docs are a must 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] feel free to do the docs yourself! 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, im based 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] and also that was more of a joke than an actual complaint, i did everything i needed in 2 minutes lol 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] also yes, docs are a must 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] this is a open source project :D 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok im crazy, but not insane 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] :KEKW: 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] ?? 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] it would take me too long man 22:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Sans then please do the docs 22:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] and you expect others to do it for you? 22:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] What are you looking to use the API for anyway? 22:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] nobody owes u anything 22:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, i expect the author/creator/dev (idk tbh) to gimmie an idea of how I should use the api 22:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean its pretty obvious? 22:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] and the api is mostly used by the game 22:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] so yeah 22:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Actually the API in question isn't used by anyone except @TsFreddie I think 22:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] explain this button then 22:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/996154076515553372/unknown.png 22:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk why u so aggresive 22:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] im not 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] but if you feel there is a lack of documentation 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can give back 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] and do it 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] why did u think i am :Thonk: 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] ez, it is mostly used by internal projects BUT it's public 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean have u read ur image? 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/996154272351793213/unknown.png 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] guys i have idea, a challenge server where u do a single move as far as possible and everyone has their own highscores and it can be seen on their profile 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] huh, alright 22:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] today everyone kinda loaded ngl 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] again, ya got no context my guy 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] me and futur were mostly joking while i was writing code 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] well u shared ur joke without context here 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] and he was helping me turn it from js to ts 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] on the dev channel 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] fair, f for me 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] literally mocking deen 22:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] FWIW it's a dictionary with keys because the API consumer needs O(1) lookup iirc 22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] and can't transform the data before storing it? ^^ 22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] good to know, see at least this little bit of info woulda been nice :p 22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] I mean an array would also work 22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] eh screw it, after im done with this (and probably learn the api better) imma make some docs 22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] ❤️ 22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't think they store it 😛 22:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] and also fits cuz map names on ddnet are unique 22:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] then it's O(n) either way 22:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] (due to parsing) 22:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] unless you do some crazy binary search if the map is sorted 😄 22:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess you could say that, yes, the consumer still has to insert it into a hashmap 22:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats the spirit! :ddnet: 22:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] all i need with that, is to convert it from object to array, and filter that array to then be able to tell the user what maps they have and havent completed 22:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] soo 22:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye 22:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] done that 22:45 * bridge [ddnet] wouldnt mind some help tho 22:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] :/ 22:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] (you can *probably* do that without converting it to an array) 22:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Sans btw what are you looking to do? still want to replace the ddnet bot here? 22:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] I can, but in js/ts it's just so so much easier for me to work with arrays 22:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] well, yea, but now im focused on making an npm package 22:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] would be kinda lame if i used the api for 1 project and gave no one a way to use it easily in js 22:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.npmjs.com/package/ddnet 22:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] so far from being done 22:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] but eh 22:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] it works (dont quote me on this) 22:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] You can iterate a dictionary too, if that's what you need 22:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] . 22:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] arrays are just easier to work with 22:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe that's just me :p 22:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Sans noo 22:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] the map is so easy 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] ```ts 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] for(let key in Object.keys(data)) { 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] let value = data[key]; 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] }``` 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] ezzz 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] key is the map name 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] or 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/996156359118688256/unknown.png 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah that works too 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] hm, it's `for (let [map, data] of Object.entries(dct))` vs ` for (let map_data in arr)` looks about similar to me if iteration is what you are looking for 22:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] so whats wrong? 22:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] hacky thing, but i plan to minimize it 22:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] nah its just using js in a functional way 22:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] nothing, just converted the object to an array, filtered it, and mapped 22:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] rust iterators are better cuz they are lazy but yeah js likes that 22:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] :3 22:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 22:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think js does lot of unnecesary copies 22:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] cuz they are eager 22:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess the point is if it was an array he got from the API, he wouldn't have to use the Object.keys() there 22:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] well, at least they're managed somewhat well 22:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] memory ain't that high 22:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] so 22:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 22:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] is it actually copies? probably just more gc references 22:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] not true copies 22:51 * bridge [ddnet] mostly 22:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats what every js dev says 22:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 22:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] hihi electron 22:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] hold up, when did i say i use electron :KEKW: 22:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] when have you measured the memory of your app the last time, @Ryozuki? 22:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] I have never done that, I think 22:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] for rust? 22:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] I've only worked with plain js and npm packages 22:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] i do cuz its always small 22:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] xD 22:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, for rust 22:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] last time was when i did this blog 22:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://edgarluque.com/blog/zstd-streaming-in-rust/ 22:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] "Sometimes you need a bit of a stream." 22:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] cheeky 22:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] hehe 22:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] We don't need to because unless we are being like extremely wasteful there is no way we get even close to an electron app that is idling 22:54 * bridge [ddnet] looking at you, discord 22:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] we're still wasting a lot, I think 22:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] have you seen these justine.lol blog posts? 22:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] they're quite nice 22:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] DDNet ingame uses 250~ mb for me. Discord uses 600M doing nothing 22:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] Nope, what are they about? I could take a look 22:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] sadness 22:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/996158128750067833/unknown.png 22:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] (discord hardware accel disabled, that's why's cpu is so high) 22:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah look at those, to compete with the silliness that is modern web browsers we'd need to be treating memory like it's 1cent per gb 22:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://justine.lol/cosmopolitan/ e.g. this I guess 22:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] Discord will sometimes decide CPU cycles all belong to it, and hog all 8 of my cores for about half a minute 22:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] eh 22:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&query=justine.lol&sort=byPopularity&type=story 22:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] im surprised my discord uses so little ram actually 22:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh 22:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think i saw that cosmpolitan thing a long time ago 22:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] doing rly hacky stuff or smth 22:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] rly interesting 23:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://justine.lol/ape.html now this is a cute idea 23:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] > so little ram 23:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] literally using nearly 1gb 23:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you've ever had chrome itself with a couple tabs you know why it's impressive they managed to stay within 1g 😄 23:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] my firefox is at 1gb 23:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] with twitch open 23:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] no i mean 23:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] i've got a couple of plugins and a theme installed 23:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] im on windows cuz gaming 23:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/996159901569122415/unknown.png 23:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] so 23:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] using 10gb lmao 23:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] i wish i had 10gb 😭 23:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm at 800M with 7 tabs and twitch on firefox 23:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] switch to opera gx 23:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] :KEKW: 23:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] i got 13 tabs open 23:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah i had reddit open too 23:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] with the new design 23:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] I absolutely detest chromium, I'd stay with firefox just to give them 1 more user so they can keep some market share 23:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] opera is just chromium 23:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] chromium is also on my detest list :D 23:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] who uses plain chromium 23:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] is there another good alternative to firefox? 23:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] among others 23:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Nah, every other competitor was murdered by google inc 23:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can have chromium with microsoft skin, chromium with opera skin, chromium with google skin, chromium with some privacy extensions bolted on, chromium with opera skin but also for gamers 23:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki I'm so proud of u for using windows 23:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] -.- 23:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] cant be bothered to play ff14 on linux 23:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] Do they let you run it on a VM? 23:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah 23:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] they literally do 0 clientside checks 23:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] im actually modding the game 23:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] its mostly server authoritive so 23:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] but i want full perf 23:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] i use shaders and stuff 23:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] You could look into a VM setup, I remember it's actually possible to give the entire gpu to the VM and take it back later nowadays 23:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] chromium overwrites default browser, so every discord link fires up chromium for me, but i need it for things not working in firefox. its like skype, it created an autostart file every launch. the workaround was to create a folder with the filename / path of the autostart file to block it xd 23:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] no clue, have to check that out 23:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] > For the new 2017 version of skype that's impudent enough to add itself to autostart each time it's started (seriously? Never installing it on my own machine) it's enough to create a folder with the same name as a file it's trying to create: 23:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] from https://askubuntu.com/a/977036 23:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] you kill it. 23:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] never use it again 23:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] switch to discord 23:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] micros*ft moment 23:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you do, that might actually be quite easy 🙂 23:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah sans im not using it, this was a few years ago, but chromium makes me think of.it 23:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh boi 23:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] im waiting for that day when chromium is gonna be replaced everywhere with something that's just as good but uses less ram 23:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] probably not happening, unfortunately 23:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] sadness 23:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] on windows i would use edge maybe 😅 23:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] i would say something 23:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] but 23:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] i fear i will get banned for it 23:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] edge is just a chromium skin 23:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] ^ 23:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] really? 23:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 23:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] like vivaldi 23:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's literally micros*ft's attempt at copying chrome 23:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] vivaldi is also closed source 23:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] but its running chrome or not? 23:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, it is 23:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] chromium* innit? 23:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] and edge is running chrome? 23:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, also 23:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] . 23:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] chrome is a browser 23:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] chromium also is a browser 23:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] i thought edge is completely microsoft 23:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you want to be precise, it's 'blink', the browser engine 23:22 * bridge [ddnet] and also a base for literally every popular browser except firefox 23:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think 23:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] is firefox based on chromium? 23:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 23:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye 23:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] without knowing it 23:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont use ff, i wouldnt know 23:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] safari is also not based on chrome 23:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] :KEKW: 23:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] ie also not ? hahahhaa 23:23 <+bridge> [ddnet]