00:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> i still can't get the main idea of clouds, like are they really needed for every web app
00:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> https://github.com/Learath2/ddnet/commit/9770f1d39510036e7bbbec2c0607113282539a3c is this really better than the unordered_map?
00:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> It'd look better with `boost::intrusive::list`, but still :/
01:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> what's wrong with unordered_map?
01:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> it has better performance than list in general
01:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Well, this way it's guaranteed O(1) instead of on average O(1)
01:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Technically with how small our unordered_map is, it's very unlikely to not be O(1)
04:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Tater> I think the discord developers left some debug code in production, if you type "true" or "false" into the search bar it seems to do some mysterious search query
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10:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <TsFreddie> @Learath2 I did it
10:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <TsFreddie> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/974593724153733141/unknown.png
11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Now backport it to teeworlds ❤️
11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <TsFreddie> :justatest:
11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <k2d222> I have some question about the licensing. I see no License notice on https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-maps, does that mean all maps are copyright by default? also, what is the license for the default image assets and teeworlds / ddnet code?
11:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Default assets are all CC-BY-SA
11:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ddnet/ddnet/master/license.txt
11:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> The maps except for a handful are all rights reserved by their authors
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Since the mapres are just in the wild with most of their authors long gone, it's really hard to get all maps to be CC-BY-SA now :/
11:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <TsFreddie> define "gone"
11:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> not reachable
11:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Best case: Doesn't play ddnet anymore but we can identify and email them
11:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Worst case: Unknown author
11:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <TsFreddie> ~~or dead~~
11:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> or dead
11:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <k2d222> OK thanks. So if I understand correctly I technically cant distribute a map from ddnet-maps on an open-source repo, but in practice it's fine to do so?
11:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Maps in data/maps are all CC-BY-SA, for the rest of the maps you need to check their header for their license and 99% of them don't have any license at all
11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I am not a lawyer, but I think there was some verbal agreement at least between us and the map authors that their maps would be public. I doubt that also extends to secondary parties, so I guess legally you probably can't distribute them
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I doubt anyone would actually sue you over it. I'm not even sure if these authors can even assert any copyright over the maps given the mapres don't belong and aren't licensed to them
11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I did try to get actual legal advice about this, but the lawyer I asked quoted me about 300-400 euros per hour of his time iirc. So I just dropped the question instead 😄
11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <TsFreddie> don't sell them and you'll be fine (probably) (not legal advice) (please sign the waver so you don't sue me if you get sued)
11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> ez 400€
11:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <k2d222> I'm not very knowledgeable about copyright laws, but I find the licensing on the teeworld-related repos a bit loose considering it's a quite popular game with a lot of contributors. I think copyright / licensing it is a crucial skill that most developers me included lack of.
11:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> except for the maps it should be fine
11:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> where do you see a problem except for the maps?
11:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Actual teeworlds and ddnet license are pretty clear actually
11:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Do whatever you want, don't claim you made it, mark your altered versions as altered, don't remove the license
11:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Oh and we are not liable if you run it and it launches a nuclear warhead
11:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I believe non-liability clauses have limits
11:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/723645849996886126 scanned the maps for licenses some time ago, 10 maps had that field set https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/723645849996886126
11:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> hm double link
11:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> There very well could be, not something I've looked into
11:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Tater> the liability clause should be in all caps
11:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Tater> makes it more effective
11:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <k2d222> Thanks everyone for the clarifications! I know I'm not really in legal issues but I want to make things right and I would like to learn more about licensing overall.
11:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> @heinrich5991 if you have a moment can you take a look at #5092 and why it's not linking? It linked just fine locally
11:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5092
11:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> Here's something I haven't had happen before (screenshot with phone  camera for obvious reasons)
11:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/974610307651624980/IMG20220513125225.jpg
11:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> :justatest:
11:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> well u dont have space in ur hard drive
11:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> Yep
11:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> btw df -h is better
11:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> tf is that screen
12:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Happens to me regularly on the macbook
12:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Also happened a lot on my server while I was also archiving teehistorian files
12:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> @Learath2 need to update our curl stub
12:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> You really get to see which software is built well when space runs out 😄
12:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Oh, hm, do we have some sort of documentation on the process? Is it something I should be doing? 😄
12:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> run `scripts/generate_fake_curl.py` on a linux
12:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> run `scripts/generate_fake_curl.py` on linux
12:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> ddnet-libs documents how the libcurl.so is generated IIRC
12:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> see `ddnet-libs/curl/linux/lib32/VERSION` or `ddnet-libs/curl/linux/lib64/VERSION`
12:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> I also got to see how much useless stuff I had downloaded :justatest:
12:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <TsFreddie> frontend guy sent this for review.
12:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <TsFreddie> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/974613231018606652/b3bfcf08ffa5acfa1363fa81055cfeb.png
12:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> smh not even creative enough for a fourth variant of the =
12:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <TsFreddie> checkout that parse tho
12:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> aye, nice code
12:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> @heinrich5991 how do you handle changes in ddnet-libs? Should I do a PR on ddnet-libs too?
12:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> @k2d222 I agree btw that licensing is sadly not handled very well with maps, mostly because it was never really started I suppse
12:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> just push there if you're somewhat sure you're doing the right thing @Learath2
12:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> should I generate the curl libraries for you @Learath2 (if you don't have a linux handy)
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I'm on linux, generated them, will push
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> `python3 scripts/generate_fake_curl.py --link-args=-m32` is enough for getting the lib32 one, right?
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> yes
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I mean try `file` on it
12:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> It does generate an 32-bit ELF file, just wasn't sure if I also needed to be on 32bit for some reason to generate it properly
12:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> no
12:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Hopefully I didn't break it 😄
12:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> looks good to me
12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> @heinrich5991 I'm not sure how to handle `CURLcode` without including `curl/curl.h` in `http.h`. I tried to assume it's `unsigned int` and `static_assert`ed for it in `http.cpp`, turns out it's not `unsigned int` on windows
12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <murpi> Skins ^^
12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I'd need something like `std::has_greater_range_than<unsigned int, std::underlying_type<CURLcode>>`
12:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I got an excellent idea from the C++ irc
12:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> perhaps just do sizeof?
13:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Assa> has anyone knowledge of sound-layers? First of all, what does the PAN option do? and secondly directional sound isn't possible, or is it?
13:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> was it somehow planned to have like dynamic tiles? like on KoG, having dynamic freeze or solid tiles
13:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> it could be cool for new maps
13:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Assa> Does anyone have knowledge of sound-layers? First of all, what does the PAN option do? And secondly directional sound isn't possible, or is it?
13:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> maybe @Patiga knows something about sound layers
13:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> @Learath2 added the suggestion in the http PR
13:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Assa> I am pretty sure I will add a feature request (and maybe even a PR if I can make sense of the code)
14:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> it'd be nice if you could add an issue first
14:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> so effort isn't wasted in case we don't like the design or something
14:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I have no issues with anything else, I was a little on the fence about the unique_ptrs but I see why you'd want them
14:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> `unique_ptr`s where?
14:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> as return type?
14:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> yeah
14:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> in http.h
14:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> @Ryozuki told me that's the way to go, and I thought it kinda makes sense
14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> we return the ownership, and they're easily convertible to raw pointers or `shared_ptr`s
14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Can't really return raw pointers without allocation anyway
14:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> So the unique_ptr is better as it takes care of allocating and de-allocating
14:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Assa> the answer is yes and PAN is actually the setting for it <.<
14:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> @heinrich5991 #5092 still won't link :/
14:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5092
14:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I gtg for a while, small things to do
15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> https://pyscript.net/
15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> ow
15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> finally something to stop javashit
15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <k2d222> yes, let's do interpreted languages on top of another interpreted languages on top of a browser sandbox
15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <k2d222> yes, let's do interpreted languages on top of another interpreted language on top of a browser sandbox
15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> wasm and js are not really interpreted anymore
15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <k2d222> oh my bad it actually uses pyodide := cpython ported to wasm
15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <k2d222> not that bad in that case!
16:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Assa> Sorry for breaking the game again
16:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> @Essigautomat ?
16:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> AMD beta-testing Ryzen 7000 on Linux, unfortunately they didn't select DDNet benchmark 😄 https://web.archive.org/web/20220509071950/https://openbenchmarking.org/result/2205052-NE-MAY42016271
16:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > When people join a community, they don't just adopt the values of the community, but they also come with pre-existing values. As a community grows, it will adapt to the people who are joining it, and this may alienate the early-adopters who joined for a different reason than the people joining during the exponential or diminishing returns phases of logistic growth. This doesn't mean the community is "ruined" but from the perspective of ea
16:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31363153
16:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> interesting discussion, that may apply to ddnet at some level i guess
16:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xd
16:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> 5.21 ghz and 8 cores damn
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17:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> aka Eternal September https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
17:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xD
17:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i never used usenet nor rly know what it is
17:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i guess im too zoomer
17:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> is also pretty slow apparently 😄
17:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> :feelsbadman:
17:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> well slower than intel
17:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> so must be a test sample
17:29 <+irc_tester> what's slow
17:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> nobody cares about irc
17:29 <+irc_tester> xd
17:30 <+irc_tester> will check from Discord
17:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> @Not Keks it looks like the nvidia open source thing is not rly mergeable into the linux tree like amd drivers rn
17:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> and its mostly function calls to private firmware stuff
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> 1 million lines of codes i read
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> 4 million AMD
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xd
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> but anyway, its a start
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> and they got positive response
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> maybe it tells driver devs some hints
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> maybe that helps them to do more in future
17:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31365307
17:35 <+irc_tester> But it may help Nouveau:
17:35 <+irc_tester> > In the meantime, published source code serves as a reference to help improve the Nouveau driver. Nouveau can leverage the same firmware used by the NVIDIA driver, exposing many GPU functionalities, such as clock management and thermal management, bringing new features to the in-tree Nouveau driver.
17:35 <+irc_tester> https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-releases-open-source-gpu-kernel-modules/
17:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> yeah but its more a PR move
17:36 <+irc_tester> yeah maybe
17:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> i dont think so
17:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> i think its pressure from google and other big players
17:36 <+irc_tester> Why Google?
17:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> they want custom code and amd gives it to them
17:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> wait what
17:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> well google and other big players
17:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> everyone wants GPUs nowadays
17:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> thats also why its "datacenter" code
17:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> as nvidia claims itself
17:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i always thought this, but its actually insane companies gives so much preference to windows, you actually give your lifeline to microsoft, 
17:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> companies should actually be interested in making linux mainstream, i think valve knows this and thats why they dont wanna depend on microsoft
17:37 <+irc_tester> Don't they make TPUs?
17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> windows is really only on desktop market
17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> and germany xd
17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> yeah
17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> still
17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> im also sure knowing the inner workings of linux source code could help big AAA game engines perform better
17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> its probably a dead horse in the long run tho.
17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> 
17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> Valve is not a small player remember that
17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> on windows they are limited to reverse engineering maybe
17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> the gaming market is one of the biggest argument for microsoft
17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> but its stupid
17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> its only a market on windows due to a self feeding cycle
17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> not due to any actual feature
17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> thats always the problem of the market
17:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> real innovation is relativly rare
17:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i hope proton breaks the cycle
17:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i reserved my steamdeck
17:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> maybe ill get one at the end of the year
17:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xd
17:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> xd
17:40 <+irc_tester> rip
17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://yosefk.com/c++fqa/
17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> just found this
17:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> pretty funny ngl
17:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > [6.6] Who uses C++?
17:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > 
17:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > FAQ: Lots and lots and lots of people and organizations. Which is excellent for business since a lot of developers are available.
17:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > 
17:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > FQA: Empirical studies indicate that 20% of the people drink 80% of the beer. With C++ developers, the rule is that 80% of the developers understand at most 20% of the language. It is not the same 20% for different people, so don't count on them to understand each other's code.
17:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> --
17:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > [6.7] How long does it take to learn OO/C++?
17:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > 
17:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > FAQ: In 6-12 months you can become proficient, in 3 years you are a local mentor. Some people won't make it - those can't learn, and/or they are lazy. Changing the way you think and what you consider "good" is hard.
17:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > 
17:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > FQA: In 6-12 months you can become as proficient as it gets. It is impossible to "know" C++ - it keeps surprising one forever. For example, what does the code cout << p do when p is a volatile pointer? Hint: as experienced people might expect, there's an unexpected implicit type conversion involved.
17:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xd
18:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> What are some advantages/disadvantages of using friend functions?
18:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> 
18:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> FAQ: Advantage: they allow the designer to choose between obj.func() and func(obj), which "lowers maintenance costs".
18:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> 
18:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> Disadvantage: they require more code to achieve dynamic binding. Non-member functions can't be virtual, so if the designer's syntax of choice is func(obj), and dynamic binding is needed, func will have to delegate to a protected virtual member with obj.func().
18:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> 
18:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> FQA: Listen carefully, this is an excellent opportunity to learn about the C++ approach to writing software. Choosing between two equivalent syntactic forms is called "design". The availability of many forms and the "right" choice between them is expected to "lower maintenance costs"
18:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> What are some advantages/disadvantages of using friend functions?
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> 
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> FAQ: Advantage: they allow the designer to choose between obj.func() and func(obj), which "lowers maintenance costs".
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> 
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> Disadvantage: they require more code to achieve dynamic binding. Non-member functions can't be virtual, so if the designer's syntax of choice is func(obj), and dynamic binding is needed, func will have to delegate to a protected virtual member with obj.func().
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> 
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29>  > FQA: Listen carefully, this is an excellent opportunity to learn about the C++ approach to writing software. Choosing between two equivalent syntactic forms is called "design". The availability of many forms and the "right" choice between them is expected to "lower maintenance costs"
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> > What are some advantages/disadvantages of using friend functions?
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> 
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> > FAQ: Advantage: they allow the designer to choose between obj.func() and func(obj), which "lowers maintenance costs".
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> 
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> > Disadvantage: they require more code to achieve dynamic binding. Non-member functions can't be virtual, so if the designer's syntax of choice is func(obj), and dynamic binding is needed, func will have to delegate to a protected virtual member with obj.func().
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> 
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29>  > FQA: Listen carefully, this is an excellent opportunity to learn about the C++ approach to writing software. Choosing between two equivalent syntactic forms is called "design". The availability of many forms and the "right" choice between them is expected to "lower maintenance costs"
18:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > [13.1] What's the deal with operator overloading?
18:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > 
18:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > FAQ: Overloaded operators provide an "intuitive interface" for the users of your class. They also allow templates to work "equally well" with classes and built-in types. 
18:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > ....
18:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > FQA: Operator overloading provides strong source code encryption (the time needed to figure out what a+b actually means is an exponential function of the number of types, implicit conversions, template specializations and overloaded operator versions involved).
18:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xdddd
19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYTxjJjfxs
19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> this guy is rly good at explaining stuff
19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> (and not well known, 8k subs)
19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> like a niche 3blue1brown
19:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> xd
19:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> @Not Keks what was the issue?
19:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
19:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> does this mean the compiler itself segfaulted?
19:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> > during GIMPLE pass: loopinit
19:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> looks like it lol
19:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> an index too high
19:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> but not in the backend
20:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> pog new version
20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar> with vanilla breaking shields xd
20:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> nice xd
20:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Assa> nice
20:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> just to make sure, have you seen my answer in https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5099, @deen
22:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/974763841063899166/mFvqVX.webm
22:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> the eyes are not perfectly aligned yet but they are damn close
22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> Thank you guys for helping me
22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Voxel> what will this be used for :0
22:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> whatever people want
22:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> its open source
22:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> i wont be sharing the link yet cause its not finished
22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> :hollande:
22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> spotted
22:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Alexander> whatdidido