04:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Tsin> tiny bug in changelog
04:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Tsin> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/939727273374941184/unknown.png
09:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> Oh cool a macOS installer I always missed that \:) who made it?
10:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> Thanks
10:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> ehm, maybe calling it an installer is too much. It's just a background image when you open the dmg and then you drag the files into applications. But most applications on macOS didn't use a real installer, but this approach instead
12:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> https://master2.ddnet.tw/ddnet/15/servers.json
12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> An error occurred during a connection to master2.ddnet.tw. Peer’s Certificate has been revoked.
12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> 
12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> Error code: SEC_ERROR_REVOKED_CERTIFICATE
12:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> it's a revoked let's encrypt certificate
12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I don't know which server it's on. can you help me, @deen?
12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> @TsFreddie aren't you running master2 ^?
12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> (we have bad monitoring btw ^^)
12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I should try setting some up
12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> I don't think I have any control of that, just know we have master1
12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> We should probably do some more monitoring for the other ddnet stuff too
12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> I noticed they cut off my crontab emails, not sure why
12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ts懒散> Ye thatst mine
12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ts懒散> I forgot let's encrypt is a thing
12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ts懒散> Was it supposed to be revoked this month?
12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> they revoked certificates somewhen, you probably got hit by that
12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> no, revocation, not expiry
12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ts懒散> I know
12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ts懒散> Heard that
12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> they revoked certificates because they were valid for 90days + 1 second instead of 90 days IIRC 😄
12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ts懒散> :justatest:
12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ts懒散> I dont actually know how to force caddy to renew cert
12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ts懒散> Let me google a bit
12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> delete the cert, restart caddy
12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> should work™
12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> sigh
12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> how do you do monitoring at work?
12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I've seen people use prometheus and grafana for fancy graphs and also alerts
12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> but I have no experience with either
13:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I'm running a simple https://healthchecks.io/ installation at home for my cronjobs
13:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> email notifications actually 😄
13:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> so not too far off from what I like personally. Maybe I should check why my emails are getting blocked
13:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> what powers these emails? failed cronjobs? something else?
13:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> but at my old job lots of prometheus + grafana, but I heard it's pretty heavy-weight
13:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> Some python that sends smtp mails for example, run on certain jobs/times by jenkins
13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ts懒散> done
13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ts懒散> i think
13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> lgtm
13:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> ig depends of what you want to monitor, us we use checkmk
13:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ReiTW> and grafana+prometheus too seems like
13:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> the web where i read manga is rly open about its inner workings, a good blog post (where mention a lot of monitoring): https://mangadex.dev/mangadex-v5-infrastructure-overview/
14:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Wohoo> @deen in FNG you could spawn over an enemy, if he is on the other team spawn point
14:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> fng doesn't use our source code, does it?
14:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> if it does, then I was not aware, and can fix that
14:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Very interesting read
14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> indeed
14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> it wasnt posted in hn because some ppl there think its borderly ilegal etc xd
14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> It probably is in some way illegal :D
14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> but the reality is that if it wasnt for this scanlation groups most mangas would be lost
14:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> does it host mangas?
14:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> mangadex actually removes serialized mangas from the website
14:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> it just happens that most mangas dont get serialized xd
14:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> and for that reason they never see oficial english translations
14:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> thats where fansubs come
14:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> so it hosts mangas, but it removes those that get their own series?
14:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> in
14:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> @heinrich5991 it removes the ones that get serialzied, aka the ones that get a publisher
14:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> idk if they remove it immediately or on demand by the publish tho
14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> but its all in the website the process
14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> if actually existed a website like crunchyroll but with the amoutn of mangas mangadex has i would pay for it
14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> but its nonexistant
14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> they only have normie mangas
14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> and the interesting ones are hidden gems
14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xd
14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> they have 99% less cost than a naive aws estimate ^^
14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> that's a lot 😄
14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> ye its impressive
14:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> they also have some kind of decentralized image serving
14:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> called mangadex@home
14:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> u share ur bandwidth
14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> they serve no ads and make no profit at all
14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> sounds like the good guys 😉
14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> like lichess
14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> yea
14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> also scanlation groups go there themselves to put their translations
14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> instead of the shady websites that steal from them
14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xd
14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> as far as I can tell, they also "steal" according to this definition, but they're not shady at least ^^
14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i mean steal from the scanlation groups
14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> since most groups publish to their own website, so they can make a bit of money to buy the raws
14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> mangadex allows u to publish a episode with x delay
14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> so users first go to the scanlators website and after x days they can read it in mangadex
14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xd
14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> well this is too #off-topic now
14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> :monkaS:
14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Impressive how they can serve that many requests at that budget
14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> They are lucky that their traffic is web so they can rely on things like load balancers and cheap ddos protection :D
15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v68zYyaEmEA
16:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> ||i had no idea there are so many s*ill words omg||
16:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Cipy29> ||i had no idea there are so many S*ILL words omg||
17:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <n000b> We had a dutch show like this on tv. Except you receive the first letter of a 5 letter word. 2 guys figured out for each starting letter which 3 words to use to be sure what was the answer. Each word had a maximum of 5 guesses.
17:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <n000b> 
17:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <n000b> So they learned 26*3 words to beat the game. And a lot of words they used i didn't even know it existed xD
18:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Should we maybe start shipping curl without schannel support? Whenever curl broke on windows it was because of schannel and that seems to be the issue for the person in #questions aswell
18:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> both chrome and firefox don't use schannel so when they visit the site on their browsers the error doesn't appear, but it does when they use internet explorer
18:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> How could `schannel: failed to receive handshake, SSL/TLS connection failed` be the most verbose this stupid library can get without having to modify a registry key and restarting?
18:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Dragere> There is a similar board game. Sadly this is the best online version i could find: https://webgamesonline.com/mastermind/rules.php
18:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> ye but the viral one is wordle
18:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> @Learath2 we might get people with corporate proxies that fail due to custom certificates, if we don't use schannel
18:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> @Learath2 can ie display more interesting info?
18:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/939938361374806016/unknown.png
18:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Apparently translates to `"It is possible that the site uses outdated or unreliable TLS protocol security settings. If this happens again, contact the website owner."`
18:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> cloudflare surely doesn't do any of that…
18:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> So I thought maybe his schannel settings were stuck with SSL3 for some reason
18:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> But TLS 1.0 1.1 and 1.2 seem enabled and we support all those
18:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Oh I wonder if he has a proxy set that he forgot
18:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> ah maybe that
18:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> would that apply to curl?
18:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I think schannel uses ie settings
18:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> and curl uses schannel
18:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Though how is he connecting to master2 then? :/
18:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> ah, schannel also manages the sockets?
18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I think so(tm). I'm not very familiar with it except for a debugfest 4 years back
18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> If only I could get this stupid thing to happen on my PC, it would be much easier for me to debug
18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> @heinrich5991 I don't quite get it but we are missing some debug output from curl somehow   `DEBUGF(infof(data, "schannel: sent initial handshake data: sent %zd bytes", written));` I never see this part
18:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> @Learath2 where is that source from? can't find it in curl or ddnet
18:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I found it in curl. `lib/vtls/schannel.c` though I did merge a two liner. Grep for `sent initial handshake`
18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> ```c
18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> /*
18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991>  * Macro used to include code only in debug builds.
18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991>  */
18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> 
18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> #ifdef DEBUGBUILD
18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> #define DEBUGF(x) x
18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> #else
18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> #define DEBUGF(x) do { } while(0)
18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> #endif
18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> ```
18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> we likely don't have the debug build
18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> you could send a debug build of curl to that person ^^
18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Ah, that is a good idea
18:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> @deen could you please build one? I doubt me compiling it with msvc would work
18:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> for x86-64?
18:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Though it'll spam stderr like there is no tomorrow, I'm not sure how I can demux the chatter when we do parallel requests :/
18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> what do I need to set?
18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> you can count how often you see "sent initial handshake"
18:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> --enable-debug I guess
18:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> x86-64 windows is what it looks like, and yep --enable-debug is what it seems to be
19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> Ye actual installers are bloat! Idk how to call this thing but it’s nice! So much better than an empty drive thingy with only the apps in.So you big on macOS now? When will we get native Mac rendering support in Vulcan hehe?
19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> (@deen)
19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> No.
19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> @Learath2
19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <deen> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/939944735672528916/libcurl.dll.zip
19:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> [chillerdragon](https://matrix.to/#/@chillerdragon:matrix.org)\: we already tried vulkan with moltenVK
19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> it works, but thats about it, macos is also weird, it doesnt allow building the window surface on a different thread and stuff like that(even tho it is not async)
19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> and for whatever reason on m1 it only reaches around 144 FPS
19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> on android vulkan works great btw \:D
19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> on windows it looks fine too, only tested a bit on
19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> gtx 760, gtx 1060 and my amd card
19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> Wait no it wasn’t Vulkan I think Metal is the apple stuff right ?
19:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> yeah moltenvk is the translation layer
19:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> it can translate most of vulkan 1.1 to metal
19:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> tho there are limitations and also some performance regressions, since vulkan is a bit more "low level"
20:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> btw @deen i made the surface creation single threaded now, maybe you can test if thats enough
20:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> also i'd like to know what steps are required to find vulkan under macos, i added the pkg config in FindVulkan, but i dunno if i have to search for moltenVK instead or smth
21:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> [chillerdragon](https://matrix.to/#/@chillerdragon:matrix.org)\: why is ETextAlignment used like a flag? do you want left and right align at the same time or what xD
21:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> also would be nicer if you could change the dolabel calls to only accept these enums
22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Robyt3> because you can have vertical and horizontal alignment at the same time, at least in vanilla
22:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Robyt3> https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/blob/1ef3771bf641fe2d98ecba5596bb4dba5c2a9473/src/engine/textrender.h#L32-L50
22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> then make 2 parameters
22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> or a struct
22:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Deck-Platform-Driver