00:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <nuborn> why on earth does going through a "deactivate switch" tile activate the switch for a moment?
00:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> is that new?
00:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> and is it just visual?
00:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <nuborn> no, its the server physics. like if you map a switch freeze right next to a switch deactivate
00:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <nuborn> oh, no wait, I accidentally used a timed switch with time 0 instead of normal ones (it doesnt show the number)
00:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <lynn> is it intended that movement / jump is considered during deep freeze tick, but freeze isn't?
00:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <lynn> you can enter a tele+deep freeze tile and your A/D movement is preserved through the tele
00:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <lynn> but this is not the case for freeze
00:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <lynn> at this point it's a minor physics change so we cant change it but, was wondering if there are any maps that force this
10:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> @Jupstar ✪\:  this worked LD\_LIBRARY\_PATH=$PWD ./DDNet
10:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> in 0.17 there is actually no blackscreen anymore but its still not instant \:/ i can watch the window closing
10:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> image.png
10:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/877112655008104468/image.png
10:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> also which crackhead skipped release of .15 omnagwd
10:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> 15 is just like 11 and 17 dev versions
10:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i join nori in the sdl hater gang
10:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> they dont garantuee a stable API
10:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> so what commit/tag you recommend me to bisect?
10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> mhh
10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> .14 should be fine
10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> isnt that old then?
10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> yes
10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> oke lol
10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> good luck climbing the binary tree xd
10:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> thanks mate
10:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i will actually try git bisect this time
10:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i usually do it by hand
10:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> yeah bisect gives you the fastest possible way without guessing
10:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i cant find an open or closed issue for this
10:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> but maybe im too stoopid to read sdl issues
10:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i rly can not belive that im so alone with this .-.
10:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i thought i use a pretty mainstream setup
10:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> sometimes fixing other issues also fixes yours
10:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ah yas babe
11:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> so nice!
11:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> .14 goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
11:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> should i just yeet on bisecting and give SDL devs some time and instead patch my client launcher to use .14 ? \:D
11:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> depends on how many ppl use a similar setup as you i guess
11:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i have no problems with .17
11:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> oh cmn mine is really mainstream
11:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> nvidia best gfx card, arch best linux, gnome best DE, xorg best wm
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> nvidia sucks
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> e.g. nvidia not open source, and not mesa
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> amd better on linux
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> maybe not every dude on planet plays teeworlds
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> yes ryo u right
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i also hate nvidia
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> but they make strong cards
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xorg is not a wm
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> wm = window manager
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> its a popular choice wouldnt u say?
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xorg is a window system display server
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ah ye wat was it a window server?
11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> yas
11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> intel arc is best
11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i would argue that nvidia are the most used gfx cards
11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> they are
11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> but on linux its best amd
11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> amd is always a few percent behind
11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ye thats my point i have a mainstream setup
11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> atleast for drivers
11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> amd integrates better
11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> just like intel tbf
11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> nvidia doesnt want their drivers open source
11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> they both have mesa opengl drivers
11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> my next rig will probably be amd i guess
11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> also remember https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ
11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> or intel arc xddd
11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> such a meme
11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> seen it so many times \:D
11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> linus tha troll
11:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=vulkan-rt-aug21&num=1
11:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> amd sometimes faster than nvidia pretty nice, but sometimes also insanly slow xd
11:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> are 6000 series rdna2 or smth like that?
11:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> yeah
11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i wanna buy 6700 xt
11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> but prices too high
11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> yeah dude no chance xd
11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> image.png
11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/877116859894333450/image.png
11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> rly sdl...
11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> main
11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i dont wanna be racist or anything...
11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> but main
11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xdd
11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i dont even get whats wrong with it
11:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> its the MAIN branch
11:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> thats the most logical word
11:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> main is racist to secondary people
11:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q3_1xWXuAY
11:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> someone should edit that meme to "main branch"
11:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i think we should also rename ddnet master branch to main
11:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> or default
11:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <NeXus> yeah a lot of companies update their wording
11:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <NeXus> I think blacklist is also changed
11:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> :monkalaugh:
11:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> which also makes sense imo xd
11:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i rq the gfx repo because it has main branch
11:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> just always use the best fitting word
11:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> blacklist fits best
11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Why change the word when there is nothing broken about it?
11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> in germany we litteraly say "red list"
11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i also like the word main and i see that master and slave is kinda fucked up \:D but i grew up typing "git checkout master" and now half of the projects use this and half of the projects use this
11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <NeXus> context matters
11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> if every project on da planet would switch to main i would get used to it at some point for sure
11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> im a master of my craft
11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I don't get breaking peoples muscle memory built up over years because some people don't understand context
11:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> people who **mastered** something are racists now
11:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> think of all the git newcomers who see stack overflow using master branch omagawd
11:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> well
11:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> yas
11:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> its not about that tho ryo
11:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> you master yourself
11:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> thats different to master someone else
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> master the poor branch
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> ???
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> when rename master boot record to main boot record?
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> You can either argue that there is context to words and their meanings adapt accordingly or they don't. You can't argue both 😛
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> you master a skill
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> ur implying a branch which is some bits has some kind of humanity
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> ????
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> yas
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> dude
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> stop branch shaming now!
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i litteraly said choose most fitting word
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> master
11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> main branch makes more sense
11:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> xxxxxxxD
11:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> main is also shorter
11:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i agree main is nice
11:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> but change is bad
11:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> also 0.7 makes more sense than 0.6 @Jupstar ✪  \:p
11:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Why? The word master has arguably acquired the correct meaning over the century we've used it whether in photography or recording
11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> bcs a branch isnt a master
11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> its more like a place
11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> the main place
11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Master and main convey the exact same meaning to me in the context of git branches
11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> omagawd learath dont compare ur english skills with the average joe. You would also say novice instead of easy. Our vocab is simple
11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> your capital isnt the master city
11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> nobo
11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> main city would fit tho
11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> it also translate like that to germany
11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> A master is something you make copies out of. You don't clone your capital to make new cities
11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> HAUPTSTADT 🍺
11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ja!
11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> 🍻
11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> then lets call it lord
11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> lord branch
11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> MÜNCHEN IST DIE HAUPTSTATD DES FREISTAATES BAYERNS!
11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> ryozuki branch then
11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> lord branch axaxaxxa
11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> lets call branches different in every project please
11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> to embrace varierity
11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> @Learath2 check #4089 if u can
11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/4089
11:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> oke im bisecting now
11:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i will assign our sdl2 dev learath then to the issue hrhrhrh
11:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i like giving learath tasks
11:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> its some kind of hobby of mine
11:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> That might remind people of the feudal times, risky move
11:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> wat?
11:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> lord?
11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> stap use discord reply feature pls \:/(
11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> hi there
11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> hi matrix ooser owo
11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> isn't this transalted?
11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> we are allowed to
11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> yes but ugly i was told
11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> its one way
11:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> image.png
11:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/877120994500821022/image.png
11:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> What happens to the ddnet icon when scaled down
11:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> xxxxxxxxxxD
11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> Got pimples
11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ddnet icon after vaccination
11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> haha
11:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> yo learath u made the sdl version so verbose right?```
11:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> [2021-08-17 11:24:51][sdl]: SDL version 2.0.15 (compiled = 2.0.16)
11:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ```veri helpful
11:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> chillerdragon: make issue on matrix bridge then, if you dont do it on SDL, use your energy xd
11:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> bit weird because the compiled file claims to be .14.1 but yeee i assume sdl2 devs were drunk```
11:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> cp build/.libs/libSDL2-2.0.so.0.14.1 ~/Desktop/git/ddnet/build/libSDL2-2.0.so.0
11:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ```
11:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <PinkSupriz> chillerdargon how is ur user a bot? :O
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> we train the AI chillerdragon
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> he's not a human
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <PinkSupriz> but
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i am a shellscript + AI and bloickchain
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <PinkSupriz> he has youtube channel
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> henlo hooman
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i can also render videos yas
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <PinkSupriz> and speak
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <PinkSupriz> in english
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <PinkSupriz> out loud
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <PinkSupriz> sus
11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> jupsti i make sdl issue
11:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> whats wrong with sdl, chiller?
11:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> sdl broke fullscreen
11:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> @PinkSupriz but srsly, they use matrix, the new fancy way of chatting
11:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> fakin sdl devs
11:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> [timakro](https://matrix.to/#/@timakro:matrix.org)\: they added 1 sec of blackscreen when tabbing between two fullscreen ddnet clients
11:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i cant do hammerhit anymoire \:/(
11:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> matrix sucks
11:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> r u tabbing between two fullscreen ddnet clients instead of using the dummy feature?
11:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> Omg my system froze
11:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> Send help I can’t do anything anymore
11:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> SDL crashed my compooter wtf
11:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> I hope git bisect works across System reboots
11:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> @timakro I use 4 dummy’s so …
11:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> Would you say crashing my computer is git bisect good or git bisect bad? I mean idk if it has the black screen issue
11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> I hope for you that most commits compile
11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> git bisect is a state so should work
11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> If it really crashed your computer it would be a git bisect skip
11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> happened a few times already that i forgot to disable bisect xD
11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ah thats a thing
11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ok lemme try again
11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> wish me luck
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> wat was pgk conf var name again
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i should really get a shell history manager
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> http://progressquest.com/play/
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> wtf
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> hit play lmao
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> tmux always sowllws it
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> PKG_CONFIG_PATH
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> history | grep PKG?
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ty babe
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ctrl+r DDNET
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> but no
11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> history file is only one
11:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> when having multiple shell sessions its not always veri good
11:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> hmm now it didnt crash
11:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ok
11:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> yeah this sucks why is noone solving this
11:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> with the history file
11:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> because ur not supposed to use more than one shell \:D
11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> use ctrl+z and fg instead
11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> i guess the session which ends last overwrites the file?
11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> yas something like that
11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> im sure there is a tmux plugin for that or a whatever thung
11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> never was moitivated to search it
11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> oh right i forgot about ctrö+z last time
11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> timakro thats good command to
11:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> vim foo.c (ctrl+z make; fg)
11:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> ah ye
11:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> never used this
11:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> but seen this before
11:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> same
11:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i got multiple shells \:D
11:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> but still maybe sometimes u dont
11:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i use ctrl z a lot
11:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ur a weirdo
11:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> i open them like browser tabs
11:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> ctrl+a and ctrl+e obviously stand for "anfang" "ende"
11:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ja
11:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> one of the many reasons why tmux is better than screen is that screen fakin hijacks the ctrl+a
11:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <timakro> how to exit screen? \:D
11:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> axaxax
11:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> alt+f4
11:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Xidon> ахахах
12:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> when are we upgrading cmakelists.txt to some configure shellscript? \:)
12:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> inst windows counting as POSIX unix nowerdays anyways?
12:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> they ship openSSH and linux kernel im sure they can also run a ./configure
12:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> hrhrhr
12:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> @Jupstar ✪\:  go train ur shellcheck skills on SDL2 repo
12:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> image.png
12:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/877130560449945621/image.png
12:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> :mmm: 
12:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> better not xd
12:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> hihi
12:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i think i never saw any configure script that passed shellcheck \:D
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> you use the configure script?
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> for sdl?
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> y
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> there is a non configure way?
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> o.O
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> cmakelists
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> INSTALL.md told me so
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> i always hate repos that dont have cmakelists
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> nah
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> configure is cool!
12:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> dunno what GNUs idea behind this build tools ever was
12:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> almost as cool as bam
12:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> but way too complicated for my brain xd
12:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> u dont gotta no aint read it
12:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> just run and feel hacker
12:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> xd
12:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> im always afraid to run make with more than one thread in projects i dont know
12:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i was debugging some build error i forgot which project maybe handbreak for hours and turned out they didnt support parralel building \:D
12:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <PinkSupriz> do anyone know how to make skin help
12:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <uwu> draw
12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ima\_f78aff4.jpeg
12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/877144629005414500/ima_f78aff4.jpeg
12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> Im literally haunted
13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> if the numbers now say 17, then rip
13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion
13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> 2016
13:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> watafak i was suprised all the .14 versions showed up as .16 and the bisect was bad 4 times in a row now i tested again and seems like its using my /usr/lib sdl again
13:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> @Jupstar ✪\:  is that wrong?```
13:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> PKG_CONFIG_PATH="$(pwd)" ./DDNet
13:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ```
13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> u need to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH
13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> aaaaaaaaaa
13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> PKG config might work with building
13:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> lets start bisect again...
13:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> how do i exit bisect \:D
13:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> vim2.0
13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> bisect stop or smth
13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> its reset
13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> but doesnt work with dirty working tree
13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> it gets dirty on build tho so annoying
14:21 <+ChillerDragon> i rly miss a headless matrix client
14:21 <+ChillerDragon> gnome froze again :D
14:21 <+ChillerDragon> testing SDL is no fun
14:24 <+ChillerDragon> [2021-08-17 14:19:02][sdl]: SDL version 2.0.15 (compiled = 2.0.16)
14:24 <+ChillerDragon> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
14:24 <+ChillerDragon>   Major opcode of failed request:  140 (RANDR)
14:24 <+ChillerDragon>   Minor opcode of failed request:  7 (RRSetScreenSize)
14:24 <+ChillerDragon>   Serial number of failed request:  299
14:24 <+ChillerDragon>   Current serial number in output stream:  300
14:24 <+ChillerDragon> yikers
14:24 <+ChillerDragon> i am in this ctrl+alt+f4 thing rn i wonder if i can restore my X session without reboot ._.
15:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> why do i doubt that bisect is right?
15:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> https://github.com/libsdl-org/SDL/commit/31751bdccead0fb9b708213c30c9fb792b0fc51a
15:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> adding a fakin const shouldnt add 1 sec of blackscreen should it?
15:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> unless non const has some unknown performance boost nobody knows off \:D
16:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> just go a few commits before that to check if its working again and then few commits after and check if its really broken
16:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i did
16:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> and its not true
17:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> and found it chillerdragon?
17:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> no
17:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> constant system crashes are kinda time consuming
17:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> plenty of build errors
17:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> but i guess you are close?
17:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> no
17:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i feel like i drift fruther and fruther
17:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> oh thought u have 14 steps with bisect
17:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> 9
17:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> either i arrive at a invalid commit
17:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> in worst case report it without the commit, they might know what the problem is
17:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> or at the end of bisect where its stuck
17:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> its just day 1 debugging this
17:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> \:D
17:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i might be slow and sloppy but i am not giving up yet
17:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Jupstar ✪> thats the spirit
17:20 <+ChillerDragon> i feel like even bad SDL code shouldnt be able to crash my Xserver all the time omagawd
17:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> What bug are you looking for?
17:20 <+ChillerDragon> i get 1 sec blackscreen when i tab out of fullscreen
17:20 <+ChillerDragon> it used to be instant and i really need it instant
17:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Bad xlib calls usually dont crash, is your system stable? :P
17:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> image.png
17:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/877210629704929280/image.png
17:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> that gives a big ass blackscreen until window server is reloaded
17:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> go debug xorg next? \:D
17:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> wow my second ACCDIDENTAL pc reboot today that must be a record
17:24 <+ChillerDragon> f window server
17:24 <+ChillerDragon> aaaaaaaaaa
17:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> its hilarious since that error message could normally not be seen because when it pops out in the terminal the window server is dead already and when rebooting it the terminal session is gone \:D
17:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ... unless tmux
17:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> im sure debugging xorg must be a fun thing
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Boci> hi devs 8)
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Boci> 
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Boci> so when you say `/times Name`
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Boci> 
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Boci> it lists when Name finished, and with what time. But you can't figure out with who, like what the whole team was.
17:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Boci> could that feature be added ?
17:36 < Boci_> test
17:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i feel like the window bug was introduced somehwere during that 100 crashing commits but i can not tell. So maybe i gotta bisect the crash and apply the patch during the bisect of the other bug
17:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/877218256878964776/6kwqy3zgwvh71.png
17:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> xd
17:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> green dragons better than red dragons tho
17:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Nouaa> zoozuki
18:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> suzoozki
18:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ok fuck bisect tomorrow i will go back 1 commit by one manually
18:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Are you bisecting sdl?
18:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> if arch packages werent so outdated i would have known immediatly maybe i should run SDL2-git from now on
18:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> yas since 8 hours
18:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Try version by version maybe? That should help narrow down further
18:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Then you can look at the commit list and figure out which are related
18:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> troll
18:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> .14 is ok
18:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> .16 is broken
18:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> .17 is broken in another way
18:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> .15 does not exist
18:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> half of the commits between .14 and .16 crash my xserver
18:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> so im kinda fucked
19:16 <+visitOP> test
21:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> uuuhhh
21:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> i see many checks on `CCharacter -> Team() != TEAM_SUPER` and checks on with `VANILLA_TEAM_SUPER`
21:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> is there any difference?
21:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> like when we should use this and this
21:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> or we should check m_IsDDrace16 everywhere and choose right constant?
21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> yo a short question, is there any option to activate/look into debug/crash log of tw?
21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> run it with a debugger
21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> which os are u on @FreZZ7  ?
21:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> how do i run debugger?
21:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> depends on ur os
21:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> win
21:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> run it in visual studio
21:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsoGOfBqPns
21:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <uwu> well... simply u can run executable in command line and when it will shut off u will have logs
21:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <uwu> imagine 0.7
21:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> but not crash logs
21:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> oh nice how do i do it?
21:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> its same process in 0.6
21:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> this thing is important in some case if we still support ddrace16
21:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> wath da video
21:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> doesnt ddnet boot with a console by default
21:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> wawtch*
21:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> watch**
21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> @FreZZ7\:  try running ddnet from the commandline
21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <uwu> look for cmd in ur windows search and with command `cd` select a path
21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <uwu> `cd C:/TeeworldsOrSmth`
21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <uwu> and run it 
21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <uwu> `DDnet.exe`
21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> yeah i see, im not that much into programming, but thanks. i hoped for an easier way then compiling 😒
21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> yes nice thanks!
21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> depends on the issue
21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> compiling ddnet easier than making breakfast
21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> if its an assert it shows in the normal logs
21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <uwu> :monkalaugh:
21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> why do you need it @FreZZ7  ?
21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> seeing crashing error for a new map...
21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> send me the map
21:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i can do it for you
21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> or better the server hosting it then its even less effort
21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> i would but the creator doenst want to 😒
21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> but thanks for the effort
21:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> lol
21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <uwu> u can open editor in game and click
21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <uwu> `File` -> `Load current map` -> `Save`
21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> why do you care for a crashing client if the map can not be played anyways
21:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> or go to /downloadedmaps and search for it
21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> the map is making clients crash, so before it will be realeased we want to fix this?
21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> makes no sense to me
21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> ?
21:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> you are not willing to create a crash report ur self and u do not allow others to do it \:D
21:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> this way it wont be fixed
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> ? i just ran ddnet into command line, i thought that will give me a error code...- its not my map, its the map of a friend of mine. so its not my decision. i just want to help him and i assumend i can do it without compiling 😒
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> dont get me wrong, thanks for youre help/effort!
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> i am really confused and curious tbh
21:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> is the map for the public or is it a private secret map?
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> what client was used to create it?
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> what server does it run on?
21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> so a friend is creating a new map. the few ppl who looked into it have tw crashing several times on loading. i was like hey, tw must have something like an error log, let me find it and we should be easy to find a fix..., thats all
22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> ok
22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> private map, ddnet client, trashmap
22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> weird
22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> actually you have this map
22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> but nvm
22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> what do you mean?
22:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> what's wierd on that?
22:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> .
22:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> chiller are you on matrix bridge?
22:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> yes
22:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> does it show replies?
22:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> weird that it is crashing imo
22:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> no
22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> yeah super wierd. it just closes tw without anything when loading the map. but completly randomly. not always just sometimes
22:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> 🤣 Jerk. for some ppl this stuff (complainling) looks so freaking confusing/difficult^^
22:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> I think ath has crashlogs
22:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <chillerdragon> I saw some trace collector in their code
22:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> idk, there willl be a day i will realy look into programming and get used with compiling and stuff, but not today 😒
22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> maps can easily crash clients, that is sadly not an easy fix
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> the smallest one I managed is 48 bytes in size
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> there actually few steps:
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> download any vs studio 20xx
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> download cmake gui
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> download ddnet sources
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> install vs studio
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> choose everything for cpp if not chosen
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> enter folder with ddnet sources
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> open cmake gui with it
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> write {your_path}/build in second placeholder
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> run generate
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> open project
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> rmb on DDNet
22:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> choose debug
22:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> i know, thtas why i dont do it now xd
22:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> server can send weird maps too i guess? imagine 0 byte map xd
22:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> yes, the server can easily send any map, the error checking is very low-effort
22:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> 10-15 minutes are out, you could do it if you weren't such lazy ass xd
22:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> is there an issue for it?
22:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Patiga> not sure, but you would need to rewrite a large portion of the loading process, which itself is different for editor and client/server
22:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> 10MBIT connection maybe?
22:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> ok? you could also send us map
22:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> yeah i would, but its not mine and i dont have permission 😒
22:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> still thanks for the help, i still learned sommething
22:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> then no sense to help you bruh
22:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> okey have a nice night
22:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> well i hope for an easier/faster way then compiling, thats all- sorry to have bothered you...
22:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] <FreZZ7> i wanst expecting there isnt a debug feture already inside of tw...
22:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> hm ye error handling in tw is meh currently
22:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> only debugging by hands
22:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> hm lol why ddnet doesn't have switch unfreeze
22:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> cool feature
23:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> bruuuh why CCharacterCore has bools instead of bitflags
23:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> usability is better
23:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Chairn> memory footprint is worse, but performance is better?
23:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> we could iterate for DISABLE_HIT* flags and use less code
23:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> but usability is better xd
23:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] <gerdoe> ccollision::sswitchers refactor seems to be longer