00:38 < bridge> [ddnet] @jao on $ready, with which function does the ddnet bot find the most recent map file in the channel to use? 04:42 < bridge> [ddnet] BTW this stop xp anyway? Saw somewhere in code it uses http, but maybe bcs of a different reason? 04:42 < bridge> [ddnet] BTW this drop xp anyway? Saw somewhere in code it uses http, but maybe bcs of a different reason? 04:43 < bridge> [ddnet] BTW does this drop xp anyway? Saw somewhere in code it uses http, but maybe bcs of a different reason? 06:08 < bridge> [ddnet] :kek: how else would those netcafe people connect to the serverlist 09:15 < bridge> [ddnet] you scratch cat 09:24 < bridge> [ddnet] ||@Moderator|| Can you improve the clan system?, for example, a player must have a certain score to create a clan, the founder can and assign any person to the clan. 09:25 < bridge> [ddnet] Can you improve the clan system?, for example, a player must have a certain score to create a clan, the founder can and assign any person to the clan. 09:58 < bridge> [ddnet] @vahema probably not. it's just a text field, it's ok to keep it simple. we don't even have accounts, so how would you track clan membership? 11:22 < bridge> [ddnet] i just updated aur to 15.5.3 but im getting an error compiling due to tests: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/8NZbQ5HWCK/ 11:22 < bridge> [ddnet] In member function ‘void CTestInfo::DeleteTestStorageFilesOnSuccess()’: 11:22 < bridge> [ddnet] error: ‘sort’ is not a member of ‘std’; did you mean ‘qsort’? 11:22 < bridge> [ddnet] mainly this 11:24 < bridge> [ddnet] @deen know anything? 11:24 < bridge> [ddnet] i just searched cppref and sort definitly exists xD 11:24 < bridge> [ddnet] i also have a question 11:25 < bridge> [ddnet] is there a way to pipe stdin to a command somehow, like to answer prompts mid-command 11:25 < bridge> [ddnet] cus there's a systemd service that i have but it prompts for an option partway 11:25 < bridge> [ddnet] what do u mean by command 11:26 < bridge> [ddnet] check out xargs(1) 11:26 < bridge> [ddnet] specifically, im trying to run ./TerrariaServer with systemd but it asks for a number (world selection) 11:26 < bridge> [ddnet] oh, alright 11:26 < bridge> [ddnet] @lynn are u into tshock? 11:26 < bridge> [ddnet] i made some plugins for that back in the days 11:26 < bridge> [ddnet] :poggers: 11:26 < bridge> [ddnet] they want me to use tshock lol 11:27 < bridge> [ddnet] ill set it up soon... someone is already duping 11:27 < bridge> [ddnet] ofc u should use tshock 11:27 < bridge> [ddnet] any other option is bad 11:27 < bridge> [ddnet] yeah i didnt realize how important it was 11:29 < bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki thanks, will fix 11:31 < bridge> [ddnet] WHY DOES SYSTEMD KEEP LIKE A MILLION LINES OF LOGS 11:31 < bridge> [ddnet] journalctl just crashed my terminal session 11:31 < bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki try again 11:34 < bridge> [ddnet] does this update the tar.xz? 11:34 < bridge> [ddnet] i guess u want me to test the branch 11:36 < bridge> [ddnet] @deen it works 11:36 < bridge> [ddnet] ur pr 11:37 < bridge> [ddnet] oh, right. I didn't update the tar.xz 11:37 < bridge> [ddnet] meh, that's a bit messy to update 11:37 < bridge> [ddnet] its also probs cached so its better to make a new version 11:37 < bridge> [ddnet] i think 11:38 < bridge> [ddnet] (well i probs can put a subtick or whathever it is called) 11:39 < bridge> [ddnet] nah, I'll release it 11:40 < bridge> [ddnet] 15.4 👀 13:04 < bridge> [ddnet] these people can surely visit https sites in a browser in an internet cafe, no? 13:05 < bridge> [ddnet] two of them can 13:05 < bridge> [ddnet] one of them can't 13:05 < bridge> [ddnet] Three of them don't know how to use browser. 13:06 < bridge> [ddnet] they literally can't visit an https site in the browser? 13:06 < bridge> [ddnet] oof 13:06 < bridge> [ddnet] this is the one that confuses me 13:07 < bridge> [ddnet] Ye 13:07 < bridge> [ddnet] They don't know what a browser is 13:07 < bridge> [ddnet] ask them to open facebook 13:07 < bridge> [ddnet] they don't even look at bilibili? 13:07 < bridge> [ddnet] They probably just go to these places and click on the game 13:07 < bridge> [ddnet] or the chinese equivalent 13:08 < bridge> [ddnet] Probably they just use phones. And I think qq have these services built-in 13:08 < bridge> [ddnet] ah, qq is the monopoly dream 13:08 < bridge> [ddnet] Ye 13:09 < bridge> [ddnet] I think we need you to go to such an internet cafe 😄 13:10 < bridge> [ddnet] But I think maybe the two that can visit https site are still getting mitm since some Chinese browser intentionally let insecure site through? 13:10 < bridge> [ddnet] make sure to bring an oscilloscope and a hoodie to blend into the crowd 13:10 < bridge> [ddnet] :justatest: 13:11 < bridge> [ddnet] but really: 13:11 < bridge> [ddnet] if you don't want to visit such an internet cafe, do you maybe know someone with minimal technical ability that could go? 13:11 < bridge> [ddnet] I'd guess the visit isn't that expensive, but I can probably pay it if that's the problem 13:12 < bridge> [ddnet] :justatest: ye cost isn't the problem. 13:16 < bridge> [ddnet] @TsFreddie don't know someone who might go? ^^ 13:16 < bridge> [ddnet] not really 13:16 < bridge> [ddnet] I'm not usually with kids 13:17 < bridge> [ddnet] I say we just wait. There got to be someone that knows how to check ssl eventually. 13:18 < bridge> [ddnet] uhm 13:18 < bridge> [ddnet] my ddnet client gets crashed 13:19 < bridge> [ddnet] before the gui comes 13:19 < bridge> [ddnet] on mac os 13:20 < bridge> [ddnet] oof 13:20 < bridge> [ddnet] try 2 ounces of whiskey before going, it helps a lot with social anxiety 😄 13:21 < bridge> [ddnet] :kek: 13:21 < bridge> [ddnet] I don't drink either 13:22 < bridge> [ddnet] I must be so boring 13:23 < bridge> [ddnet] Try 15.4 from ddnet.tw/downloads 13:23 < bridge> [ddnet] Okay, I have just the thing for you. St John's wort is basically a mood regulator in herbal form, and it's part of traditional chinese medicine 13:23 < bridge> [ddnet] :justatest: 13:24 < bridge> [ddnet] discord on macOS is being weird again 13:25 < bridge> [ddnet] I right clicked a message it deleted another 13:25 < bridge> [ddnet] tbh I thought you would help the poor guy crashing before dealing with me. 13:26 < bridge> [ddnet] Also irc never forgets 13:26 < bridge> [ddnet] Well I don't have much advice for him 😛 13:26 < bridge> [ddnet] 😳 13:27 < bridge> [ddnet] :monkaS: 13:41 < bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 do you think we could get some kind of crashreporting? 13:41 < bridge> [ddnet] telemetry time 13:47 < bridge> [ddnet] china loves it :pepeH: 13:48 < bridge> [ddnet] i wonder how u make a crash report stuff 13:48 < bridge> [ddnet] can be a button to press 13:59 < bridge> [ddnet] or something like a template message, that can be posted by the user 14:00 < bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/bchavez/BugTrap 14:01 < bridge> [ddnet] games based on X-Ray game engine use this 14:01 < bridge> [ddnet] for bug reports 14:01 < bridge> [ddnet] lets just add a try catch on mina 14:01 < bridge> [ddnet] main 14:01 < bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 14:01 < bridge> [ddnet] + segfault handler 14:02 < bridge> [ddnet] do steam and ddnet.tw releases have debug symbols? 14:03 < bridge> [ddnet] I was looking at crashpad for a while, it is very doable 14:03 < bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/chromium/crashpad 14:03 < bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: google 14:03 < bridge> [ddnet] no 14:04 < bridge> [ddnet] We can strip and keep the symbols 14:06 < bridge> [ddnet] would be cool yeah 14:06 < bridge> [ddnet] especially bcs this doesnt increase the release by like 50mb xd 14:06 < bridge> [ddnet] We should btw even if we dont do crashpad 14:07 < bridge> [ddnet] We can read windows and mac error reports with it 14:07 < bridge> [ddnet] the function name would already be gold indeed xd 14:07 < bridge> [ddnet] xd 14:08 < bridge> [ddnet] but i feel like its a bug not inside the client, if it only happens on macos 14:09 < bridge> [ddnet] or maybe its some macos specific code we have there 14:36 < bridge> [ddnet] this is the best one so far 14:36 < bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 14:36 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/856150565120639006/unknown.png 14:37 < bridge> [ddnet] oh wait. wrong url. i'm stupid. 14:40 < bridge> [ddnet] it doesn’t 14:46 < bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 14:46 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/856152914108088371/unknown.png 14:48 < bridge> [ddnet] hmm. he's gone before i can let him click "detail"... 14:49 < bridge> [ddnet] @TsFreddie what brwser is this? 14:49 < bridge> [ddnet] chinese ones 14:49 < bridge> [ddnet] but yea, the certificate looks wrong 14:50 < bridge> [ddnet] ye. 14:50 < bridge> [ddnet] also the second row says 360 isn't trusting this root 14:50 < bridge> [ddnet] oof 14:50 < bridge> [ddnet] but it's still displaying the green lock? 14:50 < bridge> [ddnet] so they're MITMing in the internet cafe and our curl doesn't pick up on the additionally trusted CAs 14:50 < bridge> [ddnet] it says it may stop trusting it in the future 14:50 < bridge> [ddnet] so it still counts as trusted for now 14:51 < bridge> [ddnet] So our curl is working as designed 😄 14:51 < bridge> [ddnet] where does our trust source for curl come from? 14:51 < bridge> [ddnet] not from the OS? we're not shipping root CAs, are we? 14:51 < bridge> [ddnet] maybe the machine has 360 (firewall + antivirus thing. although i don't like these) and it's blocking the cert system wise 14:51 < bridge> [ddnet] has 360 installed * 14:52 < bridge> [ddnet] Sigh, I'm wondering if we should fall back to http if https is broken. Probably still better than the old udp server info 14:52 < bridge> [ddnet] that sounds less useful than falling back to insecure https 14:52 < bridge> [ddnet] what sensitive information do we really have in the list tho 14:52 < bridge> [ddnet] but I don't think I like such a fallback either way 14:53 < bridge> [ddnet] ah right, we could just allow https without valid certificate 14:54 < bridge> [ddnet] okay, globalsign organisation validation ca - sa256 - g2 is a real CA, apparently? 14:54 < bridge> [ddnet] apparently 14:55 < bridge> [ddnet] can you fake a cert name? for example the netcafe have a central server that repackage all http/https request and resign them. 14:56 < bridge> [ddnet] yes, you can 14:56 < bridge> [ddnet] is that a possible thing to do 14:56 < bridge> [ddnet] it'd need to be set as trusted in the OS (very possible in the internet cafe setting) 14:56 < bridge> [ddnet] maybe they are doing that and installed the root ca themselves on their machine 14:56 < bridge> [ddnet] ye. but why isn't our curl picking that root CA up? 14:56 < bridge> [ddnet] the 360 thing maybe 14:56 < bridge> [ddnet] we're not shipping our own root CA store AFAIK 14:57 < bridge> [ddnet] that's my guess 14:57 < bridge> [ddnet] we are not anymore 14:57 < bridge> [ddnet] so they (the netcafe) installed their own cert in the machine but still using a firewall that isn't trusting their cert. 14:57 < bridge> [ddnet] :justatest: 14:58 < bridge> [ddnet] tbh it is not so bad to let me keep telling them to use http override on a case by case bases. that part is much easier to let them paste a link into a browser for some reason. 14:58 < bridge> [ddnet] how 😄 14:59 < bridge> [ddnet] I'll eat something 14:59 < bridge> [ddnet] idk either 15:01 < bridge> [ddnet] just had some crawfish 15:03 < bridge> [ddnet] heinrich do be rich tho 22:36 < bridge> [ddnet] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27572746 22:36 < bridge> [ddnet] this is actually incredible 22:36 < bridge> [ddnet] 1 au = distance from earth to sun 22:37 < bridge> [ddnet] a dward planet passing by so close like as if it were asteroid 22:37 < bridge> [ddnet] and from what i read it will be rly bright 22:37 < bridge> [ddnet] 2031 tho 22:37 < bridge> [ddnet] :poggers: 22:37 < bridge> [ddnet] dward -> dwarf 22:41 < bridge> [ddnet] > Saturn ranges from being about 7 to 11 AU away from Earth. Voyager 1 is 152 AU away. This object is excitingly close and will be fun to study. 22:46 < bridge> [ddnet] But 11 au is still incredible far. We will just notice it as a stat then? 22:47 < bridge> [ddnet] ? 22:47 < bridge> [ddnet] saturn is aroudn 11 au too 22:47 < bridge> [ddnet] its like having another planet in the solar system 22:47 < bridge> [ddnet] idk if u can see it with bare eye 22:48 < bridge> [ddnet] But 11 au is still incredible far. We will just notice it as a star then? 22:49 < bridge> [ddnet] Ah i was thinking it would be big or good visible since you said it will be really bright