00:37 < bridge> [ddnet] how can i translate player color to RBGA 00:37 < bridge> [ddnet] how can i translate player color to RGBA 00:43 < bridge> [ddnet] isn't it output as hex with an additional 2 hex digits for transparency 00:43 < bridge> [ddnet] :Alzheimer: 00:43 < bridge> [ddnet] thx 00:44 < bridge> [ddnet] Depends on where you are looking for it, in the console if you print numbers it will tell you r g and b values 00:44 < bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 here? 00:44 < bridge> [ddnet] or @Ryozuki, or anyone else with rust experience really 00:45 < bridge> [ddnet] oh wow didnt noticed this was added 00:45 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851230250968154112/unknown.png 00:45 < bridge> [ddnet] oh wow didnt notic this was added 00:45 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851230250968154112/unknown.png 00:45 < bridge> [ddnet] oh wow didnt notice this was added 00:45 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851230250968154112/unknown.png 00:45 < bridge> [ddnet] @uwu try to be conservative with your edits in this channel, they sort of spam irc 00:45 < bridge> [ddnet] sry 00:47 < bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 here 00:47 < bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 How would you go about wrapping multiple error types? I want my `InternalError` to be able to hold either a `std::env::VarError` or a `reqwest::Error` 00:48 < bridge> [ddnet] what are you writing? application or library? 00:48 < bridge> [ddnet] application 00:48 < bridge> [ddnet] but it's a module that really should be just propagating it's errors upwards 00:49 < bridge> [ddnet] they say https://github.com/dtolnay/anyhow for applications and https://github.com/dtolnay/thiserror for libraries 00:49 < bridge> [ddnet] so well do i need to enter hex code in ColorRGBA constructor 00:49 < bridge> [ddnet] you can also emulate thiserror yourself with a few From implementations and an enum 00:49 < bridge> [ddnet] cuz r, g and b as args are not working 00:49 < bridge> [ddnet] @uwu no, ColorRGBA has multiple constructors, I don't think it has a hex one 00:50 < bridge> [ddnet] i just get white instead of blue 00:50 < bridge> [ddnet] :whenwwseeachild: 00:50 < bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 I have `enum Error { InternalError, BackendError(String) }` not really sure how to shove either error into an InternalError 00:51 < bridge> [ddnet] do you want to keep the representation or not? 00:51 < bridge> [ddnet] you probably want to wrap it, right? 00:51 < bridge> [ddnet] I could do `enum Error { VarError(std::env::VarError), ReqwestError(reqwest::Error), BackendError(String)}` but I'd much prefer if I could have just one `InternalError` 00:51 < bridge> [ddnet] I want to wrap it, so yeah, keep the representation 00:53 < bridge> [ddnet] do you want to avoid a dependency on anyhow? 00:53 < bridge> [ddnet] ```rust 00:53 < bridge> [ddnet] enum Error { Internal(anyhow::Error), Backend(String) } 00:53 < bridge> [ddnet] ``` 00:53 < bridge> [ddnet] Well I can use anyhow, but I'm still getting more familiar with rust so I'd prefer to also know what it does to achieve this 00:54 < bridge> [ddnet] anyhow uses a trait object representation (like virtual base class polymorphism). we can handcraft it though 00:54 < bridge> [ddnet] (I'm guessing it's a `Box` underneath it all) 00:54 < bridge> [ddnet] under anyhow, yes 00:56 < bridge> [ddnet] ``` 00:56 < bridge> [ddnet] enum Error { Internal(Box), Backend(String) } 00:56 < bridge> [ddnet] // or 00:56 < bridge> [ddnet] enum Error { Internal(InternalError), Backend(String) } 00:56 < bridge> [ddnet] enum InternalError { Var(std::env::VarError), Reqwest(reqwest::Error) } 00:56 < bridge> [ddnet] ``` 00:56 < bridge> [ddnet] hm, we should be able to avoid this kind of dynamic polymorphism though, since all my error types are known in advance, no? 00:56 < bridge> [ddnet] that's the latter representation above 00:57 < bridge> [ddnet] Ah, someone should do a rfc for anonymous enums 😄 00:57 < bridge> [ddnet] then do 00:57 < bridge> [ddnet] ```rs 00:57 < bridge> [ddnet] impl From for Error { 00:57 < bridge> [ddnet] fn from(e: std::env::VarError) -> Error { 00:57 < bridge> [ddnet] Error::Internal(InternalError::Var(e)) 00:57 < bridge> [ddnet] } 00:58 < bridge> [ddnet] } 00:58 < bridge> [ddnet] ``` 00:58 < bridge> [ddnet] and the same for the reqwest error 00:58 < bridge> [ddnet] that enables you to use the ? operator 00:58 < bridge> [ddnet] Yeah already had the froms there, I was just missing the second enum 00:58 < bridge> [ddnet] Q: How costly is rusts runtime polymorphism? About around C++? 00:59 < bridge> [ddnet] the runtime polymorphism works quite similar, except that the vtable pointer is stored next to the pointer instead of inside the pointed-to object 01:00 < bridge> [ddnet] i.e. Box is two pointers wide 01:00 < bridge> [ddnet] This emoji doesn't work here because it's from a different server. Discord Nitro can solve all of that, check User Settings > Nitro for details 01:00 < bridge> [ddnet] 😄 01:01 < bridge> [ddnet] I'll have to use a `Box` anyway, apparently reqwest errors don't implement the trait Clone 01:02 < bridge> [ddnet] I see no reason why boxing would help with that issue 01:03 < bridge> [ddnet] thiserror helps with the enum boilerplate btw, and anyhow with the trait object boilerplate 01:03 < bridge> [ddnet] Hm, I guess I could drop the Clone trait from my own error type 01:04 < bridge> [ddnet] (a boxed reqwest error is still unclonable) 01:05 < bridge> [ddnet] If you want to propagate the errors upwards, you probably also want to match them, right? 01:05 < bridge> [ddnet] is matching possible with anyhow? 01:05 < bridge> [ddnet] not really (a little bit) 01:06 < bridge> [ddnet] but in practice I never ended up matching on "what library did this error originate from" (for libtw2 at least) 01:06 < bridge> [ddnet] It's nice that this language makes you think about errors but sometimes you just want to get on with it 😄 01:06 < bridge> [ddnet] ah I suppose the assumption here might be the problem then ^^ 01:06 < bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 take anyhow then 01:07 < bridge> [ddnet] I'll do the two enums, I don't need to change my code then, just need to rename a couple things 01:07 < bridge> [ddnet] it's really nice. it gives you the possibility to attach context 01:07 < bridge> [ddnet] I need to match the errors outside, is that possible with anyhow? 01:07 < bridge> [ddnet] not really 01:07 < bridge> [ddnet] (you could downcast them, but it's ugly) 01:08 < bridge> [ddnet] can you explain why it's interesting whether you get a VarError or a reqwest error from the outside? 01:12 < bridge> [ddnet] A VarError I can't recover from (but I'm not really sure how to cleanly die inside an async), A Reqwest error I'll just exponentially backoff 01:13 < bridge> [ddnet] You know what, if I knew what was good for me I'd just extract all the vars at the start 01:13 < bridge> [ddnet] sounds good 😉 01:14 < bridge> [ddnet] rust led me to overcomplicate stuff before, because it's suddenly in the "possible" range 01:14 < bridge> [ddnet] oh, is there an "idiomatic" way to do global application state in rust? 01:14 < bridge> [ddnet] do it as simple as possible to get it to work. is my new motto 01:14 < bridge> [ddnet] do you want it thread-local or global? 01:14 < bridge> [ddnet] global 01:15 < bridge> [ddnet] So a Arc to a hashmap is what I was thinking 01:15 < bridge> [ddnet] I think a lazy_static can have a mutex 01:15 < bridge> [ddnet] a normal static can't because rust relies on posix mutexes which cannot be constructed at compile time 01:16 < bridge> [ddnet] I don't need a mutex, it won't change at runtime 01:16 < bridge> [ddnet] (well not after startup) 01:17 < bridge> [ddnet] https://docs.rs/once_cell/1.7.2/once_cell/sync/struct.Lazy.html 01:17 < bridge> [ddnet] this then, I guess? 01:18 < bridge> [ddnet] it'll get into the standard library at some point 01:18 < bridge> [ddnet] ah, you probably need parameters as well 01:18 < bridge> [ddnet] https://docs.rs/once_cell/1.7.2/once_cell/sync/struct.OnceCell.html 01:18 < bridge> [ddnet] this then 01:18 < bridge> [ddnet] call `get_or_init` to initialize it once 01:20 < bridge> [ddnet] such a complex thing, what does it provide even? 01:21 < bridge> [ddnet] oncecell? 01:21 < bridge> [ddnet] yeah 01:21 < bridge> [ddnet] thread-safe initialization 01:21 < bridge> [ddnet] that the initialization func will only get called once 01:22 < bridge> [ddnet] sounds like something I don't need, at startup I have a single thread, I need to populate a hashmap from some config and some env, then all the threads just read from it 01:23 < bridge> [ddnet] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23920945 01:23 < bridge> [ddnet] does that suit you? ^^ 01:24 < bridge> [ddnet] you can have the code under any license 01:25 < bridge> [ddnet] fun, apparently I went through the same exchange with that person as with you 01:29 < bridge> [ddnet] Still looks quite complex, hm I'm going too fast again, concurrency is annoying enough in C++ 01:29 < bridge> [ddnet] okay, I wouldn't consider this complex 01:29 < bridge> [ddnet] the stuff compiles down to memcpy 01:30 < bridge> [ddnet] I mean complex for the trivial thing I'm doing, I can read it if I squint really hard 01:31 < bridge> [ddnet] so much stuff I could suggest. but I wanna go to bed :/ 01:31 < bridge> [ddnet] go ahead, I'll figure something out 😄 01:31 < bridge> [ddnet] good night 🙂 01:33 < bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 if you didn't go yet what's wrong with just a `Arc>`? 01:34 < bridge> [ddnet] that was actually my next suggestion 01:34 < bridge> [ddnet] *that would actually have been 01:34 < bridge> [ddnet] I think the quic library from cloudflare does it 01:34 < bridge> [ddnet] it's an atomic instruction per clone, can be fine 01:34 < bridge> [ddnet] probably will be fine 01:56 < bridge> [ddnet] Ah I also understand what you did now, cute 08:00 < bridge> [ddnet] The idiomatic way is to avoid it, unless u are doing microcontroller stuff 08:01 < bridge> [ddnet] I personally rly like thiserror 08:01 < bridge> [ddnet] I dont write many binaries so i havent used anyhow much 08:04 < bridge> [ddnet] https://docs.rs/dashmap/4.0.2/dashmap/ 08:19 < bridge> [ddnet] ^ "Blazingly fast concurrent map in Rust." 10:56 < bridge> [ddnet] @Chairn @Chairn i answered on github but i just proposed to create teams faster 10:56 < bridge> [ddnet] idk if we must create a new issue for what u asked or if we can put it in the same one 11:01 < bridge> [ddnet] if it's related to the same issue comment on it 11:02 < bridge> [ddnet] i did i did :bluekitty: 11:03 < bridge> [ddnet] nice 11:18 < bridge> [ddnet] https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/850380658261622834 12:24 < bridge> [ddnet] I'm an old man. I like my global state no matter why you kids call it unsafe :P 12:24 < bridge> [ddnet] well in rust ur forced to handle the unsafeness 12:24 < bridge> [ddnet] as u have seen 12:25 < bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 12:25 < bridge> [ddnet] thats why its a chore 12:25 < bridge> [ddnet] to use global state 12:25 < bridge> [ddnet] (I also ise it an an extremely specific way that where I ensure the safety) 12:25 < bridge> [ddnet] hmm i dont understand what u saying here 12:25 < bridge> [ddnet] u worded it a bit weirdly 12:25 < bridge> [ddnet] xd 12:25 < bridge> [ddnet] Heinrichs wrapping of it is quite nice but I ended up passing the state along to functions at the end 12:26 < bridge> [ddnet] Much cleaner, very expensive but much cleanrr :P 12:26 < bridge> [ddnet] have u checked the concurrent hashmap i sent 12:26 < bridge> [ddnet] maybe its useful 12:27 < bridge> [ddnet] I use global state in a way that specifically avoids the issues that cause people to call global state unsafe 12:27 < bridge> [ddnet] ah 12:28 < bridge> [ddnet] I ended up not using a hashmap either. I'll deal with dynamic configuration when I get to it. Just using a struct for now 12:28 < bridge> [ddnet] im using reactjs again, seems like the idiomatic way is to use functional components for everything now 12:28 < bridge> [ddnet] feels weird but its way less boilerplate code 12:28 < bridge> [ddnet] so i can see why it is like this 12:29 < bridge> [ddnet] Very expensive to pass a struct full of strings but whatever. It looks pretty 12:29 < bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 what are you trying to do? 12:30 < bridge> [ddnet] Well I have some configuration that must be shared amongst threads 12:30 < bridge> [ddnet] look at this :monkalaugh: 12:30 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851407776391757824/unknown.png 12:31 < bridge> [ddnet] The configuration becomes immutable way before the threads are launched, and the threads only ever read the configuration 12:31 < bridge> [ddnet] So in theory it should be very safe and very cheap. Heinrichs wrapping of a cell looks like it would compile down to what I expect 12:31 < bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 for my config i usually use https://docs.rs/config/0.11.0/config/ and it maps everything to a struct 12:32 < bridge> [ddnet] which is usually safer and faster than a hashmap after 12:32 < bridge> [ddnet] Do you have one instance of the config and how does it handle concurrency? 12:33 < bridge> [ddnet] I currently have a struct that I just clone to each thread but if performance starts being an issue I was thinking of putting it in an Arc> 12:34 < bridge> [ddnet] hmm im using actix-web which provides a rly nice way 12:34 < bridge> [ddnet] i think it wraps it in a arc 12:34 < bridge> [ddnet] i load it 12:34 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851408759279321088/unknown.png 12:34 < bridge> [ddnet] wrap it 12:34 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851408769752760320/unknown.png 12:34 < bridge> [ddnet] and pass it here 12:34 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851408823041261598/unknown.png 12:34 < bridge> [ddnet] and with some magick, i get it on my endpoint 12:35 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851408890175815690/unknown.png 12:35 < bridge> [ddnet] xd 12:35 < bridge> [ddnet] I'm also doing another smaller project in rust where the config is so small and threads so infrequent that I actually don't care about the clone overhead 12:36 < bridge> [ddnet] since i dont need to modify my data i dont need a lock iirc 12:36 < bridge> [ddnet] Yeah I'd guess it's an Arc if that clone is cheap and safe. 12:36 < bridge> [ddnet] my settings* 12:36 < bridge> [ddnet] actually idk 12:36 < bridge> [ddnet] i should look into this 12:37 < bridge> [ddnet] i dont think it clones the data 12:37 < bridge> [ddnet] since my struct is not Clone 12:37 < bridge> [ddnet] You don't multiple readers is safe 12:37 < bridge> [ddnet] yeah 12:37 < bridge> [ddnet] if i wanted to modify it i would need to do this 12:37 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851409612740886548/unknown.png 12:37 < bridge> [ddnet] but i dont so 12:37 < bridge> [ddnet] But you can only have immutable borrows of your struct iirc. Otherwise rust will complain 12:38 < bridge> [ddnet] ye 12:39 < bridge> [ddnet] btw calling a clone on an Arc is not cloning the internal data 12:39 < bridge> [ddnet] so its always cheap iirc 12:39 < bridge> [ddnet] Yeah. Just an atomic increment 12:39 < bridge> [ddnet] Fairly expensive but much cheaper than memcpying an entire struct full of string data 12:40 < bridge> [ddnet] yeah, it only clones it initially when starting the threads 12:40 < bridge> [ddnet] i think 12:41 < bridge> [ddnet] I don't think so, doubt things live in thread local storage by default 12:41 < bridge> [ddnet] An Arc should probably never cause a clone 12:42 < bridge> [ddnet] i mean the arc clone 12:42 < bridge> [ddnet] idk 12:42 < bridge> [ddnet] what actix-web does is spun up x threads for each cpu core initially, thats why u clone the settings_data there 12:43 < bridge> [ddnet] this runs 12 times for me 12:43 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851410939772928070/unknown.png 12:43 < bridge> [ddnet] :monkaS: 12:43 < bridge> [ddnet] I'm using tokio for the small discord bot I'm making 12:44 < bridge> [ddnet] I'll probably only ever need to run it single threaded but still need to keep it thread safe 12:45 < bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 can u show me how u added tokio to ur toml 12:45 < bridge> [ddnet] if u added full it uses a multi threaded runtime btw 12:45 < bridge> [ddnet] @Jupstar ✪ (or anyone else who might know this): do you happen to know the scale of the ingame emoticons? 12:45 < bridge> [ddnet] so u are on a multithreaded enviroment already 12:45 < bridge> [ddnet] Hm, the docs said the full version still uses the single threaded scheduler, you sure? 12:46 < bridge> [ddnet] where do u see this? 12:47 < bridge> [ddnet] i used tokio full with warp and it definitly shwoed me 12 threads 12:47 < bridge> [ddnet] i have 12 virtual cores 12:48 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851412322660122645/unknown.png 12:49 < bridge> [ddnet] ah, I misread, yeah I guess it does use the mt scheduler 12:49 < bridge> [ddnet] Oh btw, if any of you want to make a discord bot in rust I've already went through all the available libraries and I like twilight the best 12:50 < bridge> [ddnet] i wanted to do one but i was always lazy 12:50 < bridge> [ddnet] serenity is waay too idiomatic with it's frameworks 12:50 < bridge> [ddnet] you mean it forces you to use the frameworks for commands e.g? 12:51 < bridge> [ddnet] twilight logo looks better :poggers: 12:51 < bridge> [ddnet] The way the framwork is set up with an abundance of macros is just unwieldy imo 12:52 < bridge> [ddnet] You can indeed use it without a framework, but eeeh. I liked twilight better 12:52 < bridge> [ddnet] yeah i definitly see why twilight looks better 12:53 < bridge> [ddnet] starred 12:53 < bridge> [ddnet] HN is so funny, i always see a wikipedia link there 12:53 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851413638589448232/unknown.png 12:54 < bridge> [ddnet] > This particular drive model was reported to have unusually high failure rates, approximately 5.7 times higher fail rates in comparison to other 3 TB drives. 12:54 < bridge> [ddnet] ah 15:12 < bridge> [ddnet] You can only skip a docker update on mac if you pay for the PRO version, LOL 15:13 < bridge> [ddnet] I'm so glad we all embraced this obviously corporate company into our ecosystem 15:13 < bridge> [ddnet] s\/(obviously|company)//g 15:14 < bridge> [ddnet] sudden brain damage leading to loss of english skills 15:28 < bridge> [ddnet] should be same as the body 15:55 < bridge> [ddnet] lel 16:23 < bridge> [ddnet] any electrician here? 16:27 < bridge> [ddnet] Heh, I asked this a couple weeks ago, so nope 16:28 < bridge> [ddnet] But I can try to answer simple things 16:29 < bridge> [ddnet] you can make entities invisible if you try to recolor game layers using multi selection 16:29 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851467999818678292/screenshot_2021-06-07_16-28-30.png 16:30 < bridge> [ddnet] I need to fix alot about multi selection :/ 16:30 < bridge> [ddnet] but at least if you do this then everything in entities is invisible 16:31 < bridge> [ddnet] ah thx for the reminder,tsfreddie also found out you can do this(not in editor), guess we'll just not allow it before it gets abused on some mods xd 16:33 < bridge> [ddnet] except this is wanted 16:33 < bridge> [ddnet] bcs even front layer etc. respect these values, kinda strange 16:34 < bridge> [ddnet] It's about connecting my router to the upper room via an old telephone cable 16:35 < bridge> [ddnet] It works in the one room, even gigabit connection (we have 150mbit by ISP, so our full strength gets up there), but not in the room next to it... 16:35 < bridge> [ddnet] cables are both the same 16:36 < bridge> [ddnet] patched it all together the same way, in the second room it caps at 93 mbit, router interface says that connection is a 100MBit/s connection and the one thats working is a 1 Gbit/s connection 16:37 < bridge> [ddnet] And no, I will not use dlan, i am trying to get away from it D: 16:41 < bridge> [ddnet] gbit over phone cable? I'm guessing you mean ethernet 16:42 < bridge> [ddnet] yes, but over a telephone cable 16:42 < bridge> [ddnet] its an old cable in the walls of the house 16:43 < bridge> [ddnet] then you're lucky it's even getting 100 mbit/s 16:43 < bridge> [ddnet] ^^ 16:43 < bridge> [ddnet] you need some isolation, use cat5 or higher rated cables 16:43 < bridge> [ddnet] well, the other room gets 150, which is our ISP limit and i dont know why it wouldnt work in the other room 16:43 < bridge> [ddnet] its the same cable 16:44 < bridge> [ddnet] i know about the isolation 16:44 < bridge> [ddnet] ❌ 16:45 < bridge> [ddnet] then how will i play your maps 16:46 < bridge> [ddnet] Uhm, can you show me the cable or atleast the jack? I don't think it's possible to run gbit over the 2 pairs inside a telephone cable 16:46 < bridge> [ddnet] oh yeah I wasn't able to single out front layer tho 16:46 < bridge> [ddnet] its 8 veins 16:47 < bridge> [ddnet] its also correctly applied to the "Netzwerkdose"? 16:47 < bridge> [ddnet] xD 16:47 < bridge> [ddnet] maybe cause it was the same map file that was already messed up 16:47 < bridge> [ddnet] There are larger telephone cables with multiple pairs inside, we have the same in the multi-apartment building I'm living in 16:47 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851472389270798366/unknown.png 16:47 < bridge> [ddnet] such a thing 16:47 < bridge> [ddnet] so 4 pairs, rj14 I guess 16:47 < bridge> [ddnet] it has no pairs 16:48 < bridge> [ddnet] 4 white veins and 4 colored ones, i am pretty sure the white veins arent set correctly, but i have tested that already... so idk 16:49 < bridge> [ddnet] weird enough: fast ethernet (100 mbit) needs 4 veins (1,2,3 and 6) 16:49 < bridge> [ddnet] for me, it just worked with 3 veins 16:49 < bridge> [ddnet] and thats super weird 16:49 < bridge> [ddnet] I really have no idea, i think i will need an eletrician for that 16:49 < bridge> [ddnet] and gbit ethernet only works in the other room 16:49 < bridge> [ddnet] oh the bugs continue xD 16:49 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851473053770448906/screenshot_2021-06-07_16-49-41.png 16:50 < bridge> [ddnet] as i said, router interface shows connection between pc1 and router as 1 gbit/s and the otherroom as 100mbit/s, so that means it detects the cable strength or whatever, but its weird because the cable is identical 16:51 < bridge> [ddnet] Anyway, @fokkonaut as far as I'm aware the devices will do autonegotiation to determine the speed to run at. iirc part of autonegotiation is also checking the line. If they don't like the SNR they might be falling back to fast ethernet 16:51 < bridge> [ddnet] found something about that too, but the laptop i tested with couldnt select 1gbit full duplex 16:51 < bridge> [ddnet] it wasnt listed, so i left it on auto negotiation 16:52 < bridge> [ddnet] in the other room i got 150 also with the laptop, and it is a gigabit network adapter built in, so thats not the proiblem 16:53 < bridge> [ddnet] SUPER WEIRD!! 16:53 < bridge> [ddnet] fast ethernet requires 4 veins usually 16:53 < bridge> [ddnet] i get 250mbits with 1 vein 16:54 < bridge> [ddnet] thats not one vein xD 16:54 < bridge> [ddnet] 1 vein download one upload 16:54 < bridge> [ddnet] 250 mbits over a single twisted pair? 16:54 < bridge> [ddnet] yes 16:54 < bridge> [ddnet] what is this sorcery? 16:54 < bridge> [ddnet] didnt i post my router results once 16:55 < bridge> [ddnet] what standard even supports it? 16:55 < bridge> [ddnet] its this new super vectoring 16:55 < bridge> [ddnet] Ah, VDSL with super vectoring 16:55 < bridge> [ddnet] We are talking about ethernet here though 16:55 < bridge> [ddnet] yeah but in the end its same physics xd 16:55 < bridge> [ddnet] u just need the components to build that 16:56 < bridge> [ddnet] Well very different modes of operation, very different characteristics 16:56 < bridge> [ddnet] DSL and ethernet work quite differently 😄 16:56 < bridge> [ddnet] you could indeed have a DSLAM in your house 😛 16:57 < bridge> [ddnet] they work differently but you just need to translate it for the computers using it 16:57 < bridge> [ddnet] in the end they can send the same data 16:57 < bridge> [ddnet] every method of communication can send the same data "in the end" 😄 16:58 < bridge> [ddnet] so he needs a programmer that implements his hack xd 16:58 < bridge> [ddnet] and ofc the hardware 16:59 < bridge> [ddnet] did you try to give it a color animation? 17:01 < bridge> [ddnet] @fokkonaut I couldn't really think of how to get 100baseT working over just 3 wires, maybe you have an odd device that supports 100BASE-T1 and can do 100mbit over a single pair 17:02 < bridge> [ddnet] no it just different stuff happens either on a new file or different layer combos, not sure 17:02 < bridge> [ddnet] no just different stuff happens either on a new file or different layer combos, not sure 17:02 < bridge> [ddnet] ahh too bad 17:02 < bridge> [ddnet] but i think its even possible to animate the game layers xD 17:02 < bridge> [ddnet] u just need to hack an envelope id into it 17:04 < bridge> [ddnet] i dont think so, i connected it as the standards say 17:05 < bridge> [ddnet] well if you connected it as the standards say you need 2 pairs to do 100base-tx so that's 4 physical cables 17:05 < bridge> [ddnet] which one did you omit to test with 3 cables? 17:07 < bridge> [ddnet] mh? 17:08 < bridge> [ddnet] Fast Ethernet (100BASE-TX) runs over 4 wires, terminated on pins 1, 2, 3, 6. If you ran it over 3 wires instead you need to have omited one 17:11 < bridge> [ddnet] fast ethernet uses one RX pair and one TX pair = 4 wires, but both wires in one pair carry the same signal (one is inverted and the second one is not), so technically it can "work" with 3 wires only 😄 17:12 < bridge> [ddnet] by the way, fast ethernet works just fine over telephone cable if it's not too long and there's nothing else around 17:12 < bridge> [ddnet] it could, but I'm not sure many receivers would compensate for that well 17:12 < bridge> [ddnet] yes 17:13 < bridge> [ddnet] but gigabit ethernet over telephone cable.... you know, those wires are twisted for a reason 😄 17:13 < bridge> [ddnet] but gigabit ethernet over telephone cable.... you know, those wires are twisted for some reason 😄 17:14 < bridge> [ddnet] (fwiw I had a similar thing back in my parents house, I ended up pulling a cat6 cable through by tying it to the phone cable, very very risky but it worked out with a bit of soap to lubricate 😄 17:15 < bridge> [ddnet] @Jupstar ✪ I guess if you had some tool to mess with map files you could make really funky stuff that editor doesn't allow? 17:16 < bridge> [ddnet] yes, Patigas map tool reports, if you hit "undefined" behavior in a map, and some of these things can be abused 17:16 < bridge> [ddnet] telephone cables must be removed from this world because they create ~~problems~~workarounds like xDSL 17:16 < bridge> [ddnet] bcs the client doesnt check for correctness of the map 17:17 < bridge> [ddnet] @Comrade well they give us better range than ethernet, so if they are going away we need fibre optics everywhere to replace it 17:18 < bridge> [ddnet] myy router's telephone cable litterally goes outside so it has the shortest path from underground to router xd 17:19 < bridge> [ddnet] for short distances inside the house it could probs still handle quite alot of bandwith 17:20 < bridge> [ddnet] yes, xDSL should be considered as something wrong and disgusting, otherwise people get used to it and there will be no reason to put fibers everywhere 😄 17:22 < bridge> [ddnet] cable television is quite common in some countries, so there must be a way to do one more upgrade to fiber 17:23 < bridge> [ddnet] in our country it was prevented bcs the CEO from Sat.1 was good friend with a politican of that time, and Sat.1 is a television company xd 17:26 < bridge> [ddnet] "Die sozialliberale Koalition unter Helmut Schmidt hatte bereits 1981 Pläne für einen bundesweiten Glasfaserausbau beschlossen. Ein Jahr später kam Helmut Kohl an die Macht, legte die Pläne aufs Eis und förderte lieber das Kabelfernsehen." 17:26 < bridge> [ddnet] Means, we had a plan in 1981 from the SPD leader 17:26 < bridge> [ddnet] but then corrupt CDU politican joined the chat xd 17:27 < bridge> [ddnet] welcome to 2021 the future 17:44 < bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki are you familiar with macros in rust? 17:46 < bridge> [ddnet] quite a bit 17:47 < bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/edg-l/formy 17:47 < bridge> [ddnet] here is something i made 17:47 < bridge> [ddnet] dont ask me why 17:47 < bridge> [ddnet] xd 17:47 < bridge> [ddnet] Can you think of a way to have non-local effects? I need to generate code elsewhere for an annotated function 17:48 < bridge> [ddnet] elsewhere? 17:49 < bridge> [ddnet] derive macro? 17:49 < bridge> [ddnet] sry im in the middle of a doto ranked 17:49 < bridge> [ddnet] you probs can do it 17:49 < bridge> [ddnet] macros can even connect to a database to check schemas 17:49 < bridge> [ddnet] Like I annotate a function with `#[command]` I need to generate a line inside another function `fn register_commands` to register it 17:50 < bridge> [ddnet] uhm idk rn 17:51 < bridge> [ddnet] u can make command create code that automatically registers tyhis function 17:51 < bridge> [ddnet] somehow 17:51 < bridge> [ddnet] u know like python decorations 17:51 < bridge> [ddnet] I probably can, but something needs to call all these registerers we generated 17:52 < bridge> [ddnet] and that something needs to know what to call, so a list of all the functions I've annotated 17:52 < bridge> [ddnet] when i made a discord api in python i had a array of event subscribers and a decorator to easily add a function there 17:53 < bridge> [ddnet] you can make the decorator like this 17:53 < bridge> [ddnet] impl_event!({ 17:53 < bridge> [ddnet] pub fn your_function() {} 17:53 < bridge> [ddnet] }); 17:53 < bridge> [ddnet] brb 5 min 18:07 < bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 you probs need a derive macro, derive macros must be in their own crate and can only export derive macros, you probs can achieve this looking at how https://github.com/dtolnay/no-panic is implemented 18:08 < bridge> [ddnet] this exact guy has a crate that does what I'm looking for using a rather nasty hack, it abuses ctor as the list of things to run 18:08 < bridge> [ddnet] its a rly simple crate that shows how to modify a function 18:08 < bridge> [ddnet] ah 18:09 < bridge> [ddnet] this guy is a rust mastermind btw 18:09 < bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/851493022704074773/unknown.png 18:09 < bridge> [ddnet] yeah he has very interesting repos 18:09 < bridge> [ddnet] he literally made the most famous crates 18:09 < bridge> [ddnet] I don't think what I'm looking for is possible :/ 18:10 < bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 why do u need to generate code inside a function rather than call a function to register that command? 18:10 < bridge> [ddnet] hmmm 18:11 < bridge> [ddnet] Well I'm looking to do something like we do in teeworlds, where just defining a macro and including a file registers all the commands 18:12 < bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 do u know u can declare functions inside functions right 18:12 < bridge> [ddnet] I have a handful of commands now, so registering them one by one is no big trouble, but I just wanted to see if it was possible 18:12 < bridge> [ddnet] yeah, I saw nested functions 18:13 < bridge> [ddnet] idk rn 18:13 < bridge> [ddnet] :monkaS: 18:13 < bridge> [ddnet] me neither and I'm not crafty enough with the macros yet to achieve it 18:14 < bridge> [ddnet] im sure thinking of a different way to architecture this is better 18:14 < bridge> [ddnet] https://xkcd.com/974/ 18:14 < bridge> [ddnet]