00:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://steamdb.info/app/427520/graphs/ 00:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://steamdb.info/app/412220/graphs/ 00:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] all bots :justatest: 00:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] wait huuh factorio release 2020 00:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] i guess it was in beta for a while 00:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] early access* 00:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1qOCAM9Syw 00:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] trailer from 2013 00:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] trailer in 2020 00:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] a true early access success 10:52 <+ChillerDragon> Ryozuki: pls make next blog post about tw UI code i never understood vsplittopleft right label magic 11:34 <+ChillerDragon> also what is the least intrusive way of coding custom ddnet client menus? I had to edit menus_settings.cpp to add my settings page which already got me multiple merge conflicts. Also the max of ui_settings_page is capped and would require yet another conflict edit in variables.h 11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] u didnt look into ddnet code since long right? 11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] i documented those functions some time ago 11:35 <+ChillerDragon> oh nice 11:35 <+ChillerDragon> in the header 11:35 <+ChillerDragon> yea i think i even saw that but forgot it 11:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye 11:36 <+ChillerDragon> which header 11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/client/ui.h#L25 11:36 <+ChillerDragon> ui.h 11:36 <+ChillerDragon> ye got it ty 11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think i did a p good job 11:36 <+ChillerDragon> ok fuck reading docs sok xd 11:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u dont understand then u dum 11:37 <+ChillerDragon> you should make yt videos 11:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 11:37 <+ChillerDragon> with samples and voice 11:37 <+ChillerDragon> so hard to follow text 11:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] i would i had good english accent 11:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] or were native 11:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] if* 11:37 <+ChillerDragon> if i could read text i could also just read the code^^ 11:37 <+ChillerDragon> then make video and write voice script and buy a voice on fiver 11:38 <+ChillerDragon> or hire me 11:38 <+ChillerDragon> my english sok but idc 11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] why would i hire u for something i wouldnt even get money myself 11:39 <+ChillerDragon> xd 11:39 <+ChillerDragon> who said hiring includes money 11:39 <+ChillerDragon> and why u dont get money 11:39 <+ChillerDragon> thats a bad excuse 11:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] hiring always includes money 11:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] nobo 11:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] i guess u meant a partnership 11:39 <+ChillerDragon> omg language nazi 11:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] or smth 11:40 <+ChillerDragon> i offer myself to do the job 11:40 <+ChillerDragon> i do not think "getting a job done" always implies getting paid for it 11:40 <+ChillerDragon> whatever ofc i wouldnt take money to read a text lol 11:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol 11:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] its a legit job 11:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] reading a script 11:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon just gotta wait till https://commonvoice.mozilla.org/en 11:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon, go donate ur voice 11:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] mozilla is actually doing a rly good job at machine learning voice stuff 11:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://wicg.github.io/speech-api/ 11:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] soon u will get a website read by a natural voice 11:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] imagine a weeb voice reading articles for u 11:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] the future is promising 11:49 <+ChillerDragon> xd 13:51 <+ChillerDragon> yikes after so many days of uploading through the slow ftp conenction the hoster deleted all files cuz 220gb is too much. TIL infinite disk space ends somewhere around 200gb. 13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] > i still expect the lifetime of the company to be long enought that its the cheapest option for a server with strong cpu ram and infinite disk 13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] that didn't age well, the lifetime of your account seemed to be a lot less, at least 13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] :feelsbadman: 14:04 <+ChillerDragon> yea yikers i got bamboozeld 14:05 <+ChillerDragon> any idea where I could host my minecraft server then? Seems like I have to delete my windows partition to squeeze a few gb out of my laptop and keep running it there 14:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] get a rpi 4 with 4 or 8gb ram 14:06 <+ChillerDragon> i need 16gb ram and a 3.8ghz cpu min 14:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] why 14:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] u only have 7ppl in ur sv 14:06 <+ChillerDragon> i want more than 4 players 14:06 <+ChillerDragon> vanilla minecraft performs poorly 14:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] use papermc 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] i hosted a sv with 10 ppl in it on my vps with 4gb 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] and worked well 14:07 <+ChillerDragon> yea idk how to convert the world tho 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] u dont lol 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] just copy the world folder i guess 14:07 <+ChillerDragon> it resets playerpositions 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk 14:08 <+ChillerDragon> yea and can u slap 1tb of disk on a raspberry easily? 14:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://twitter.com/element_hq/status/1355290296947499013 14:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] yikes google 14:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25964226 14:08 <+ChillerDragon> wtf 14:08 <+Ryozuki> ChillerDragon google a fcking tech corp doesnt know element is just a frontend for a network 14:09 <+ChillerDragon> or they do 14:09 <+Ryozuki> its like banning google for having links to a website with offensive stuff 14:09 <+ChillerDragon> and dislike it 14:09 <+Ryozuki> yeah they sure do 14:09 <+ChillerDragon> its just an assumption 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law 14:09 <+ChillerDragon> hopefully it will get some pr for element 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] i feel this every time i chat with chiller 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] read it 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 14:10 <+ChillerDragon> no u 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] »A fool can ask more questions then 7 wise men can answer« 14:11 <+ChillerDragon> why? 14:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] see 14:11 <+ChillerDragon> :D 14:12 <+ChillerDragon> i wonder how long my laptop will life if i keep running it as a server 24/7 14:12 <+ChillerDragon> i never understood the difference between server and non server hardware 14:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon: not sure if a rpi can handle a minecraft server 14:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] that stuff is really resource-heavy 15:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] 💰 Katso mitä löysin Wish-sovelluksesta! Koodilla clqxvswf saat 5 € alennusta ensimmäisestä tilauksestasi. 15:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] 15:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://dl.wish.com/6fn97 15:09 <+ChillerDragon> looks like an ad im scared to click the fishy link xd 15:09 <+ChillerDragon> or is it deleted on discord already? 15:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] already banned and deleted on discord 15:09 <+ChillerDragon> yea thought so ty for info 15:10 <+ChillerDragon> i can fit a m2 drive in every laptop right? 15:10 <+ChillerDragon> might be a bit late to ask i just ordered one xd 15:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon: newer laptops do tend to have m2 slots, higher end ones even empty m2 slots 15:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] But older laptops usually only have sata 15:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] Worst case you can get one of those m.2 to 2.5 inch hdd "adapters" 15:24 <+ChillerDragon> the laptop already has a ssd in there i think and its from 2017+ ish 15:24 <+ChillerDragon> yea sounds safe ty Learath 15:25 <+ChillerDragon> just gotta find em screwdrivers 15:25 <+ChillerDragon> i used to go to some pc repair shops for stuff like this but all closed :/ send halp 15:27 <+Ryozuki> 2017 doesnt sound like it will have m2 17:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] Man coming up with a backup expiry strategy which supports rules like keep 30 minute backups for a day, daily backups for a week etc. is really hard to get right 17:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] I tried two strategies so far and both produce either kind of irregular backups or gaps 17:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/RustPython/RustPython 17:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] :poggers: 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] What password managers are you guys using? I went from lastpass to keepass to firefox lockwise and finally to pass, and I never want to leave again. For firefox/chrome use browserpass. And for android sync your passwords with syncthing and use android-password-store. 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] i use keepassxc + syncthing 18:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] keepass is great but i keepassxc is just not made for tiling wms 18:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] keepass is great but keepassxc is just not made for tiling wms 18:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] why is that? 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] I couldn't get the thing running without having the window open and i can't have that 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] you mean you don't want to enter the password each time, but leave the window open? 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] I mean I couldn't start the app in the background 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] @timakro what twm u use? 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] xmonad 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] :greenthing: 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] you i3? 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] i3 gaps yea 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] i use firefox to keep my passwords 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah so lastpass 18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] i use i3, but im not sure in which usecase you need your keepass open in the background 18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah no 18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] I mean lockwise 18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] could you elaborate? 18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Patiga are you using the browser extension? 18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] no o.o 18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] browser extension that works with keepass? 18:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] sounds nice 18:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] well if i want to fill a password i need the app running 18:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] for autotype to work 18:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] just looked it up, there are browser extensions for keepass but they're not really encouraged, you are supposed to use autotype 18:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] which makes sense 18:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Patiga You gotta have keepassxc running in the background somehow, right? 18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki are you using firefox sync? 18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] y 18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] I had my own firefox sync server for a while but they never added support to the mobile lockwise app for that -.- 18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] just add a master password 18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] it encrypts all 18:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] im 2 lazy to do anything else 18:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] I didn't like the whole firefox sync thing I'm not using it anymore, seemed fiddly sometimes the tabs didn't sync maybe it was because I was hosting it myself 18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] probs 18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont sync often anyway 18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] since im always on the same pc 18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] Can't tell, but somehow the idea of logging into my browser annoyed me anyways xD 18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Now I could switch to any browser which supports web extensions at least. Maybe chrome some day if I can live without tree style tabs 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] ew chrome 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Not chrome but ungoogled chromium or some other chromium based more privacy/foss minded browser 19:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] Idk screensharing, mic, webcam on linux it constantly gives me trouble and on chromium it just works (tm) 19:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] it works for me 19:01 <+ChillerDragon> @timakro i use pass https://www.passwordstore.org/ 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's not like it wouldn't work in general but try zoom, jitsi, discord on some of them it won't work or some features like sharing a specific monitor don't work 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] And it even changes over time, zoom used to work and just stopped working some day 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] weird 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon: yep me too now, that's what i was saying, it's awesome! 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] what firefox u use btw 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon: are you using a browser plugin? if so which one? 19:02 <+ChillerDragon> oh i didnt read the full message sorri 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] pacman -S firefox 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] i use firefox-developer-edition 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] it uses a rly recent version 19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe it has fixes 19:03 <+ChillerDragon> no i use pass from cli plain 19:03 <+ChillerDragon> i also have the otp extension for 2fa logins 19:03 <+ChillerDragon> i have a bunch of helper scripts and never feelt the need for browser extension 19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] copy to clipboard via cli or the dmenu thing? 19:03 <+ChillerDragon> cli idk what dmenu is 19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think the dmenu thing is nice 19:04 <+Ryozuki> chiller is a gnome normie 19:04 <+ChillerDragon> xd 19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon: launch `passmenu` 19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah 19:04 <+Ryozuki> ChillerDragon r u on arch rn? 19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] i guess it won't work on gnome 19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] well idk if dmenu works on gnome 19:04 <+ChillerDragon> ye 19:05 <+ChillerDragon> dmenu command not found 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] but might be not your thing, dmenu is kinda twm focused 19:05 <+ChillerDragon> im sure there is some gnome extension for that 19:05 <+ChillerDragon> but cli so good 19:05 <+Ryozuki> there isnt 19:05 <+Ryozuki> dmenu is a simple menu to launch apps 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can probably just install dmenu 19:05 <+Ryozuki> like when u put ur mouse top left 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] but it will look rly out of place on gnome 19:06 <+ChillerDragon> i spend most of my day in terminal anways so there is more effort using the gui 19:06 <+ChillerDragon> so whats ur issue now @timakro? 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] none :D 19:06 <+ChillerDragon> u want autocomplete in browsers? 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] since i switched to pass the world is awesome 19:06 <+ChillerDragon> xd 19:06 <+Ryozuki> how is it more awesome 19:06 <+ChillerDragon> how do u handle things on ur phone? 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] There are two browser plugins: passff and browserpass. Browserpass is the less used one but it's much better 19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] I sync with syncthing and use android-password-store 19:07 <+ChillerDragon> interesting so its a different password manager using the same data? 19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] And my phones android version is recent enough to have the password manager api so that hooks right into that 19:07 <+ChillerDragon> crazy 19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] Even shuts up samsungs default password manager 19:08 <+ChillerDragon> thats so much better than my solution 19:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] what's yours? 19:08 <+ChillerDragon> none xd 19:08 <+ChillerDragon> i just avoid using my phone at all times 19:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah I don't use it too often 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] Sometimes I use it to login to my uni sso to check something if i'm not home 19:09 <+ChillerDragon> maybe ill use pass one day if i get a proper linux phone 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] The problem is you need your gpg key on your android phone and I can see why you wouldn't want that 19:09 <+ChillerDragon> my phone is currently mainly a clash of clans gaming console xd 19:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] But actually the android gpg thing is also pretty elegant because you use the OpenKeychain app for storing and decrypting your key and that also provides my key to k9mail 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] My dad pre ordered the librem 5 from puri.sm ages ago and is still waiting on it. He's the kind of guy who doesn't have whatsapp 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm looking forward to him getting the thing and and figuring everything out. I'm sure it will be painful but tbh some people need to start with linux phones 19:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] The puri.sm guys are constantly sending patches to gnome, gtk and gtk based apps to make them responsive 19:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] Firefox on mobile is shit anyway. Apple wont let anyone use js acceleration and on android it performs like ass 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh, scrolled up again 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] The stupid discord app on ipad is so bad 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hm, I'm using firefox on mobile for lack of a better idea 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] My phone is super new so I guess it's just fast enough to cope ^^ 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] On my previous phone it was unusable 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] I just caved and used chrome, they already track me so much, they can have a couple extra data points 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] firefox mobile works fine for me 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] But my previous phone also still shipped with a native browse app (they don't do that anymore but instead google replaced it with chrome to push that) 19:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Native browsers usually are outdated stripped down versions of chromium anyway 19:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe on my next phone I’ll have the privilege of using firefox ;P 19:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 19:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] well i use a redmin 9 iirc 19:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] so china spies me anyway 19:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] redmi 19:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] Lol, xi is probably watching you right now 19:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 19:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] o/ 19:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] \\o 19:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] Regulations are currently so far behind of technology that they can get away with almost anything anyway 19:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] Okay my backup expiry algorithm is done, prototyped it in python and checked it with matplotlib. Spent way too much time on this.. Now I just wanna translate it to posix shell 19:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] have u seen the new blog about number parsing? 19:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] on apple m1 they can parse 1200 mb/s 19:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] over 1gb 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] I saw the headline 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] What exactly are they doing 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://lemire.me/blog/2021/01/29/number-parsing-at-a-gigabyte-per-second/ 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] parsing numbers 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] aka numbers in string form 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] to real numbers 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] but fast 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] I love the idea of the M1 chip. Such a simple yet elegant improvement 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 can u explain ELI5 why m1 is so good? 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] i havent read anything about it 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] One day RISC will get good enough for us to have an open version of the same idea 19:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] M1 uses a little core large core architecture 19:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] rust is on par with the original c++ impl of fast-float 19:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/805141698241626132/unknown.png 19:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 19:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] So it has small cores that do small tasks keeping the experience smooth and using very little energy and large cores that handle the beastly tasks 19:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh i see 19:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] right, is also heard about the idea of efficient cores for non time critical tasks and fast cores for time critical tasks 19:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk if it is taht 19:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk if it is that 19:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] They also introduced a new x86_64 compatibility mode of sorts into the ISA so it’s extremely efficient to emulate x86_64 19:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] right, i also heard about the idea of efficient cores for non time critical tasks and fast cores for time critical tasks 19:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh yeah i remember now it was that, i was reading the post from mozilla about porting firefox to M1 19:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] fck i forgot another interesting blog post that praised rust 19:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] my duty to share it failed 19:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] And the most important part of integrated architectures like this is actual distance 19:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] no matter how fast the machine, sh will always be slow as fuck 19:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] The GPU is very tightly coupled so it has things like direct memory access, the ram is wired directly so shorter traces squeezing out even more performance 19:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] A true law of nature 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] @timakro did u know a blog post i made was featured in this week in rust 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://this-week-in-rust.org/blog/2021/01/27/this-week-in-rust-375/ 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] try to find it 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] I wish vulkan was a thing before apple decided to invent metal. Would have finally ended this api debate 19:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki did you know someone basically made one of your posts into a video (not saying they copied it xD) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQa9mveTSV4 19:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] :poggers: 19:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki which is yours? 19:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/805143618351923291/unknown.png 19:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] here 19:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] the first 19:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] paypal-rs? Is that rust bindings for paypal api? 19:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah 19:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] a project im doing 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] got 2 sponsors 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] 10€ month 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] first time i get money 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] doing open source 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] :poggers: 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] that stupid frog 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] but the api is rly big 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] what does it mean 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] @timakro it means hype 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] the frog is cool 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 first "vulkan" is btw older than apples metal 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Mantle 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] :greenthing: 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Jupstar ✪ nein nein! 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] du bist stupiden! 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] A couple more and you’ll be set for life. Credibility is the only thing you need in the open source world to make money 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] true 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] they say the first 3 is the hardest 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or just invest into the right stock for a week 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] i invested in doge before it went down today 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] got 40€ 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] whats doge? 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] dogecoin 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] I set my limit sell wrong so I lost 10e on doge ;P 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://dogecoin.com/ 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki what is stupiden xD 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] a meme coin literally 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Jupstar ✪ im just making fun of u for sharing a german website 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] xdd 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] I made 600e on bitcoin and 120 in ethereum tho 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] nice 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] hm i'm just holding all my money in msci world etf 19:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] wats that 19:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] just a big huge frickin large etf 19:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] so lot's of spread no risk 19:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] at least thats the idea 19:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] ryo being funny 🤡 19:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] Sounds much safer than messing around with btc anyway 😄 19:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSMC 19:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah sry @Ryozuki maybe korean is better 19:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EB%A7%A8%ED%8B%80_(API) 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] i even waited out the corona crash 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] I only made money on btc because I bought alot to pay for my vps then I stopped caring about that vps 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 where u bought it? 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] the vps 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] It was a seedbox on feralhosting 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] tsmc the most valuable semiconductor company, i think they are bound to rise 19:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] there arent other companies besides samsung iirc 19:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] able to make this stuff 19:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well intel has their own fabs 19:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] but no one cares about intel rn 19:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think i suck at investing, i suppose i would hold even if it was going straight down to 0 always hoping for it to go up agin 19:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] Qualcomm and foxconn also make their own chips iirc 19:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] only tsmc existing is why there is short of stock on amd and nvidia gpus 19:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think 19:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] + covid? 19:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] > Most of the leading fabless semiconductor companies such as Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), Apple Inc., Broadcom Inc., Marvell, MediaTek, Nvidia, and Qualcomm are customers of TSMC, 19:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] @timakro well investing and day trading are very different. Holding is a valid strategy in investing if you believe there is reason for a stock to go up 19:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] invest in gold 19:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] On the other hand I have friends day trading bitcoin making 10e here and there trading on very small changes 19:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] well, the past showed that you never made a loss when you were willing to wait like 2 years or smth so that's my reason to believe 19:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] but is that a good reason? idk 19:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/805145868931956786/OO_4z_v2Iu65Lcz-Fg7PaHhmM-rYeBg7Fok-mSsUP0.png 19:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 19:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] 53 million usd today 19:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] If I ever get some money, I’ll invest in whatever the finnish pension fund invests in 19:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] They seem to keep making money over and over in all kinds of situations ;P 19:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] i'd love to see a well designed RISC vs well designed CISC at same transistor width 19:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] i found a crypto where u code smart contracts mainly in rust 19:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] ARM should he RISC enough to compare 19:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://near.org/ 19:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah 19:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] :poggers: 19:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] all these cryptos have such fancy websites 19:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] im ok with ARM, but is x86 really the best CISC? xd 19:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] tho ARM isnt really RISC anymore 19:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think x86 has an unfair advantage having the entire world catering to it 19:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] well ARM is probs more used nowadays isnt it? 19:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] with all these mobile platforms 19:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yes but never in high performance until apple decided to try it 19:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah but even that thing is only mobile 19:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] i want to see they best possible desktop chip 19:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] they can produce 19:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] i want to see their best possible desktop chip 19:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] It’s a first attempt tho. We’ll need to wait a couple more years so ARM (and maybe even RISCV) matures a bit on high performance applications 19:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] mhhhhhh the question is, why shouldnt anybody have tried yet 19:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] is it not scalable enough? 19:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] Microsofts ARM laptop was abysmal, so the actual mobile chips out there are shit ;P 19:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] can it be scalable enough 😄 19:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well not many people out there willing to try different things? It takes a metric fuckton of investment to look into this stuff 19:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] i agree, but now that apple made the transition, apple has no excuse not todo it for desktop 19:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] why should they wait, except they have problems with scaling 19:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Only a handful of companies even produce chips and a lot of them are heavily invested in either x86 or are constrained within the mobile world with arm 19:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] They did release an M1 desktop (not very great) and I think they are looking into a second gen in a year or two 19:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess this is as fast as innovation can go in an industry that has extraordinary barriers to entry 19:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] probably 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] too bad 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] I wonder how many people even have the skills to do microarchitecture design in total 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] i'd be totally ok with only having like 50% x86 performance if the native performance is atleast 25% over the "best" x86 chip 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] especially single thread is not really getting better, too bad 😄 19:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] tho my understanding is that CISC always has the potential to outperform RISC, so i wonder if there is no effort into trying to make a better CISC than x86 19:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] I wonder how important single thread performance will be in the future. Multi threading really seems to be key to extracting all the performance we can get out of the silicon per cm 19:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 but games rly rely on single thread perf 19:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] i wonder if there is a way around iot 19:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] But even that has been improving with consumer cpus getting more and more cores 19:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] there is alot that requires single thraed perf(or other non scalable stuff), else everyone would use some 128cores ARM processor probs 19:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 19:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think intel limiting consumer cpus to 4 physical cores really hindered research and development in that area 19:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] amd is going full blown at threads 19:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] threadripper 😎 19:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] that is true, but u have to note that they had 8 threads, and 1 x86 core is not really 1 arm core, its more like 1.5x ARM core 19:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] 64 cores 128 threads at 2.9ghz 19:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] bcs of hyperthreading etc 19:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] not bad 19:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ofc, I meant more as in “past a certain point” 19:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don’t think we’ll need a single thread performing much better then what we have right now on x86 anytime soon. Atleast not for consumer usage 19:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] tho, it seems apples M1 single thread perf outperforms x86 counterparts at same enegery level, so i wonder how well desktop chips would be(if they scale at such energy levels) 19:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Only apple knows at this point. I bet they had a couple experiments already 19:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] If it wasn’t promising, I don’t think they’d invest in it this heavily 19:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah, but its kinda risky, since intels 10nm is probs still a bit worse than TSMC 5nm or whatever they call it 19:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] 19:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] so i assume intel will get another 20-30% perf increase soon 19:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] 19:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] if apple could already scaled, they should have done it quickly 19:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] (from a companys perspective atleast) 19:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] An idea I’ve had with massively vectorized cpus would be ai agents e.g. 19:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] It was used in later PS3 games with it’s cell architecture being perfect for this 19:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] i kinda finished https://github.com/edg-l/teestatus 19:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] its a bit dirty but it does its job 19:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] only 0.6 protocol tho 19:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] i cant find docs on 0.7 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah not very documented the 0.7 protocol 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Can it do both ddnet extended 0.6 and vanilla 0.6? 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] For 0.7 you need to do the handshake to get a token 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] Then you use the token in a standard serverinfo request iirc 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] :o 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe someday 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] lazyness kicked in 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] and 0.7 is not exciting anyway 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] The best starting point is heinrich’s PR adding the token protocol 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] When you want to take a look at it 😉 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😀 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] Apple’s emoji font makes the winky face look so condescending 20:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😌 20:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/805151008154058792/unknown.png 20:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] 1 month only 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Mine looks so empty now 😭 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] 🥺 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon what are u drawing this year on ur contribs 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] I have been useless for so long, learning about stupid infinite dimensional vector spaces 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] i feel a crazy amount of excitement for rust 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] and i dont think its sane 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] i just love it to much 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] cant look at other langs rn 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] im crazy 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] :pepeH: 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] It’s a common symptom of rust addiction 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] We see one every day on ##C 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] Someone coming in with a “question” only to talk about how good rust is 20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] also since there is so much uncharted stuff in rust 20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] its easy to get discovered 20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] i never expected my blog post to reach frontpage 20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] It’s like mormons or vegans trying to convert us 20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] good fellas going to #CC 20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] ##c 20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] im sure the ppl in there reply by citing some hideous standard 20:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] to make ppl scared 20:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] and go away 20:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] right? 20:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well we don’t quote the standard unless needed 20:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont even dare to talk in ##c out of fear 20:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] Sometimes some fools come in asking a question and then showing us some online tutorial as proof that our answer is wrong 20:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] xddd 20:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] That’s when you pull out the standard 20:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] It’s much friendlier now that Zhivago is gone 20:07 <+bridge> [ddnet]