00:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] I increased the number of CHN servers a bit 00:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Kenzoo we have teehistorian, but don't parse it well yet 00:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] so we could offer that info in the futrure 00:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] but that's also only since 2018 I think 02:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Yeah there where some nice pages 02:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Old screenshot from one of those 02:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/800175985446092872/IMG_20180618_213351-1.jpg 04:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] We maxed out our bandwidth (5mbps) on chn3 yesterday 04:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] So maybe add more on the XiangYang one which ever that one is 05:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> @deen please make a vote about giving everyone strong on everyone without changing in-game physics at all. I know only stupid people will be against it, but I'm done getting frustrated of that weak hook and I would fix it if u guarantee it implemented 05:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] > without changing in-game physics at all 05:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> the tee that hooks first gets the strong 05:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> so nothing changes but the order of calculation 05:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> which doesn't matter 06:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe do two physics routes with a config toggle and update some map that specifically needs weak hook if there is any. 06:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> /weak is much easier 06:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] if there is none i can't see the downside 06:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] it is possible to give only one person weak hook 06:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> there are some shitty crappy maps 06:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] is it possible to give only one person weak hook> 06:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye add /weak 06:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> like 500 years old with all that "jump over freeze 300 times" that sometimes require specifically weak 06:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] is it possible to give only one person weak hook? 06:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> what do you mean by that 06:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] if it is a physics processing order thing, i would be quite weird to untie the "fixed" physics batch and process only one character out of order. 06:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> I should think about the system around it. In my mind there is a system which I already described. The one that hooks player first gets the strong on him 06:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] it would be* 06:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> in this case nothing changes in game phyiscs 06:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> every other one gets weak on him until he rehooks 06:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> so it works the opposite. If someone asked system to have weak then everyone gets strong on him 06:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] for the maps that require weak just wait until someone reports it then u can just fix the map 06:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] genius 06:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] theres like maybe 3 of those maps in total 06:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] genouis 06:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> I though about just deleting to the fuck that parts 06:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> adding time penalty tile 06:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> then we can just have everybody strong 06:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] the only downside it that the soothing voice of louis explaining weakhook would become irrelevant 06:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> fuck that, weak hook sucks a lot 06:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> no good reason for it to stay 06:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] don't fuck louis plz 06:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> louis cool 06:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> probably should test the case when both tees have strong on each other and see how it feels and differs 06:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] reverse speedfly good 06:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] louis should submit ddnet to GDQ sometime after the covid thing. 06:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] 06:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> much more parts are weak impossible 06:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] fastest 100 points on new name random seed glitchless 06:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] i thought almost all ddnet tech is a "glitch" 06:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] no they're features :justatest: 06:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] :kek: 06:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> "glitchless" is kinda impossible 06:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> just joined random map and there is already a tee trying to make weak inpossible part 06:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/800238221325762580/unknown.png 06:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> not sure if it's really impossible or just insane hard 06:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> possible 08:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] weak is good 08:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] dont remove 08:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] and accounts bad 08:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> Does anyone know why I have "no matching overloaded function found" error while calling from the same header file and it appears to be ok before build attempt? 08:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/800266054504546364/unknown.png 08:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/800266093549453352/unknown.png 08:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> everything is called in the `gamecore.h` 08:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> Oh I guess I see that 08:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> No I don't 08:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] you said its called in the same file? than it could be a problem if distance is defined below where this code is. if that's the case, forward declare the functions 09:58 <+ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 ye thanks for the support i fixed my system :) i downgraded to linux-lts paired with nvida-lts and now all works again seems like there was a driver update that broke my system and that seemed to happen while i reinstalled my system so i blamed my self instead of the driver 09:58 <+ChillerDragon> i wonder how such a thing is not on the archlinux news tho i am still a bit confused 10:00 <+ChillerDragon> oh wait it has but that was some time ago maybe i followed the arch news back then and downgraded to lts already 10:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon Do you have time :X? 11:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] @TsFreddie I have stopped some CHN3 servers and run CHN4 again 11:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] great. thx 11:19 <+ChillerDragon> yea @Trafalgar Law 11:21 <+ChillerDragon> you can also pm me on irc btw via the web thingy https://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=#ddnet 11:21 <+ChillerDragon> hm that link is broke idk how to create a proper one xd 11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol only stupid ppl against it? 11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Weak is part of the game... 11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> weak is bug 11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> pretty annoying bug 11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes but maps adopted it 11:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] some parts are almost not doable with strong 11:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] But that's a whole other discussion. I just find it pretty rude that you say all the people against it are stupid :pepeH: 11:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] alias /spec to /weak (don't actually tho 11:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Don't let the Russian trash talker change our hook 11:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😄 11:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] 👀 11:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Don't let the Russian trashtalker change our hook 11:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon lets go on a tw srv and write there 11:55 * blim slaps ChillerDragon around a bit with a large fishbot 12:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] Is it somehow possible to fix laser door skipping with too much speed e.g. using jetpack? 12:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] Need it for my mod 12:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] you'd have to change the code for the check 12:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] currently it just checks your current position I guess 12:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] you'd have to check the distance the tee moves and whether that intersects with a laser door 12:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen ok thx 12:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] btw, this weak hook fix is not good 12:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] Does not make any sense 12:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] if the tee is frozen you cant get weak 12:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah 12:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] appart from community not wanting the change, the change itself is flawed 12:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yea 12:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] bad change 12:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] im amazed he thought this was a good fix 12:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] > -If you hook someone while he's already hooking you - you gain weak. And stay weak for this entire hook until you rehook while not being hooked by that person. 12:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] this is the stupidest thing ever 12:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Can we run a couple servers with the actual proper fix? 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] it has been voted no 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] I want to see the effects of it 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] Not this fix. This one just sounds goofy 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> it's good but you'd better run a test server with it first 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] I mean a proper saturated add after equilibrium 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> because I'm not sure if it can't crush anything 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> @Ryozuki stop crying) 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] lmao 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] u should just leave forever 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> like your voice matter something 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] like urs matters 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't think anyone really knows how the actual fix would feel like 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] everybody is annoyed by u 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] I fear it would feel awkward, but maybe it doesn't? 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> of course it is. I've achieved something in that life 😏 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] lmao 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> it's just like you have strong and that's all 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] ur a cringefest 12:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] As said I don't mean the weird strongswap 12:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> @Ryozuki how old are you? Feels like acting of 14 yo child who thinks he means something in this world 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] ur reflecting mym an 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] my man* 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] or projecting 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> but what do you mean then? 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] I mean a proper fix like teeworlds#2478 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] hilarious 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] teeworlds/teeworlds#2478 that is 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/pull/2478 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] i would say u fit more of a 14y old pushing this after people voted no 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] and saying ppl who vote no are retarded 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] just an educated guess 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] This should give everyone the exact same hook strength 12:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] I feel it might break speedfly, but who knows, maybe it doesn't. No way to really know without testing 12:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> you can't because it will feel a very different then it was 12:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> I fixed it the way it doesn't change anything at all. That's why solution is so dirty 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] How do you know? I don't because I didn't test it 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] I assume you either tested it or you are god 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> Firstly I've tried to make it normal and created an Update method supposed to be called once per tick to update hook physics, but that turned out to be wrong 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> also it's obvious 12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> because your velocity is calculated everywhere before and after core update when hook influence being calculated 12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> so it would be different no matter what you do 12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's not obvious at all to me what the impacts of it would be. It's only obvious that it will be different 12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Дядя Женя> I've tried hard all day on imaging the solution that would keep existing approach but be clear and normal, but there is no way. The way physics implemented now is so wrong that no matter what you do you will fix something accidentally 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] Now that's bad for people with allergies to difference like Konsti but differences on the order of 1 or 2 ticks don't concern me, they are imperceptible to all but the pickiest of players 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] and maybe not even them, which we could find out if we run a test server 13:00 <+ChillerDragon> @Trafalgar Law you can mostly find me on fokkos server i even have tw pings on currently but might be afk 13:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 i have applied that tw pr in my mod and it works nice, also added a config var to simply calculate the old way again 13:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] so i can toggle it 13:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] @fokkonaut have you tested whether it breaks speedfly? I've been investigating why speedfly happens at all and it seems to have some relation to the strength of the hook 13:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] speedfly only works with strong 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] nope, you can reverse speedfly too 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yea 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] but that wont work ofc anymore 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] reverse speedfly is with weak 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] What I'm wondering is what happens if everyone has the same hook strength 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] That doesnt matter, its about the strength of the top player 13:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] and as I read the code everyone should end up with a hook little weaker than the strong hook of past, sooo can people still speedfly as if the top player has strong with the patch? 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think they have exactly the same strength 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] It looks like it at least 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] when hooking a tee over the ground without moving 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] hm, I thought it'd be slightly weaker, but if it's the same I guess it should work still 13:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] @fokkonaut do you have a server running with it right now? I'd like to see if it feels different 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just leave everything as it is, then there won't be any unforeseen new bugs 😄 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] I did a test like here: https://wiki.ddnet.tw/game-mechanics/hook/ 13:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 and i got the same results for both tees, but i didnt check position in the code 13:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] just checked it with my eye xd 13:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah my server, it has weak hook 1 tho, let me quickly set it to 0, just connect 13:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] that's good enough, if I was thinking about it correctly it would have differed by a tile or so, you'd easily see that by eye 13:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] good 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] sv_weak_hook disabled now 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can try it 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] you seem to have atleast sort of fixed fast download for ddnet clients 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] 20k is not bad 😛 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] I did nothing 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] :D 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess I'm just dropping less packets today 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] I tried to fix fast download twice now but i gave up 13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] it always worked on LAN 13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] but it got stuck on production 13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] it is a bug that makes it very hard to reason about things though, it'd be nice if things were symmetrical and consistent 13:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] I've been looking at 4 demos of people speedflying, with top hammering, reverse speedfly, normal speedfly etc. and with the asymmetry of the physics it's really hard to think about what actually happens 13:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's like u want to fix the hf bug 13:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] Xd 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] hf is not a bug, hf is a direct result of how the physics were imagined 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] it has very clear dynamics 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] No more like the bug that you can move around in a 64x64 box 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Better let us fix all of this bugs and broke the game :troll: 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 97 players xd 13:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] Better let us fix all of these bugs and broke the game :troll: 13:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Cøke a tee is 28 inits long and a block is 32 13:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] you only need hook to start speedfly, later the tees don't need to even touch 13:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] My ping isn't too bad but your server feels rather slow. I think 97 players is taxing the server loop quite a bit 13:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Cøke a tee is 28 units long and a block is 32 13:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 yeah maybe xd 13:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ravie are you sure? I haven't finished up the tools to check this yet but I had a feeling it was the result of the tees oh so slightly clipping into eachother and the physics pushing them out 13:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 13:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol 13:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] Speedfly is that you dont really touch at all, thats why the bottom tee hammers so fast 13:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] So you cant even touch each other 13:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] and your hook with strong keeps both tees stable 13:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] not "lol" it's not an obvious interaction at all, unless you analyzed it I don't see how you could confidently make that comment 13:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] :D 13:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] your strong hook while it can keep you stable doesn't generate any velocity 13:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well, I saw and worked with the code for pushing tees out 13:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Thats why i instantly thought its not this 13:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 well at least when I do it using deepfly bind, after the first hammer there's a visible gap between tees sometimes 13:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Good to see there's still DDRace development. 🙂 13:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] its fng 13:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] you don't have to hook at all 13:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can speedfly without hooking? 😛 13:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 13:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] How would that work? Tee needs to get lifted 13:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] bottom one 13:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh I remember that odd video where the guy did it 13:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] Show me 13:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ah I think with 2 hammerers 13:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hammer is creating up velocity 13:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] @murpi true but in reality u never do that 13:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] I sadly don't have the tools to extract my memories into webm format yet 13:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 13:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think the top guy hammering is slightly pulling the tee below in that case 13:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] with some rng bounce timing and deepfly bind you can do it from tower 13:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Lol how you know such things @Ravie 13:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] im abit confused, why would players be opposed to having strong given the vote in #announcements. Something im missing? 13:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 13:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] I've spend hundreds of hours messing around and trying to make weird new parts :p 13:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/800339985433755658/Base_Profile_2021.01.17_-_13.23.37.03_Trim.mp4 13:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😄 13:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] People don't like changes in general, which is common in old niche games like this one 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] And also weak hook is a major part of the game in my opinion 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] i wouldnt want to fix it too 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't understand how people can just say "it's good how it is so don't touch it" and not strive for improvement 13:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well I mean in gores for example it makes sense. But in ddrace it's a "feature" 13:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Not directly a feature but its a bug thats so well integrated that it even has official ddnet support xd 13:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's not about denial of improvements. That's why it is discussed. It's simply seen as a game mechanism 13:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] is it really? we have a handful of parts that use it ever, it mostly only causes confusion in new players, old players either use /spec or /save to just trade it anyway, it doesn't even make anything impossible it only makes it harder 13:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah whatever you like to call it these days 13:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] xddd 13:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] I will look for a part where you can see the use of weak 13:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] I will look for a part where you can see the use of weak @Learath2 13:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] There are a couple, some drag parts are easier with weak e.g. 13:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] To "look" for a part shows how its not important xD 13:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] I "think"(tm) it would be impossible to do that part where you hang off of someone with strong on Stronghold 3, but maybe not even that 13:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] well you know I find it makes things interesting if you have to deal with such things like weak 13:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] It has "official" "support" because it's a completely invisable game mechanic. We added an indicator for it recently and we have prediction support for it because the prediction would be wrong without it 13:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] But also I am not playing that much anymore so maybe ideas have changed in the tw world 13:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anyway, we did a vote and people don't want it changed, I'm fine with that, but doesn't mean I won't argue my point. I honestly can't wholeheartedly say I either support or disapprove the change, because I haven't tested it 13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] the vote is basically "do you guys want a change?" community: change bad 13:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] from what I've seen on fokkonaut's server, it didn't feel drastically different to fly, throw or hh people 13:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] probably super irrelevant here but i deleted weak hook on fng a couple years ago and people have either actively liked the change or not noticed 13:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] noone has ever complained about it ever 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah I think you either hate weak hook or not care about it, so it would still make more people happy to fix it 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] In fng 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] XD 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] In fluid pvp gameplay you would never notice it 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] read the first three words of my msg x_x 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd only be concerned about tricks and timings 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] nah i notice the weak hook when i play on default fng servers now 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] read the first three words of my msg x_x coke 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] in fng you basically drag a dummy to get him into spikes 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] I would probably need to readjust for a day or two to be able to do freezehammers again e.g. 13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah that or hooking close enemies when u shoot them 13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] and when ur dragging the frozen tees weak is just annoying 13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ah I know one place where weak and strong would be a decent mechanic. If you can somehow force the weak person to do a long deep drag 13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] especialy if ur moving fast and tryin to throw them as u go by 13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] also when you hook a frozen tee while you're both on the ground or form below, slide physics really suck 13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] with weak? 13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] also when you hook a frozen tee while you're both on the ground or from below, slide physics really suck 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's significantly easier to drag someone when you are strong 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] ++ 13:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Though as I said, since there is almost no part that is impossible to do with weak or strong, it's very hard to force such a situation, so I'd be extremely surprised if any maps have such a mechanic 13:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess a deep drag part, followed by a swap, followed by another deep drag part can force both people to do a deep drag and thus atleast make one tee suffer dragging with weak 13:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] but again, of the collection of hundreds of maps we have, how many have two deep drag parts following eachother with a forced swap in between 13:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] many hard drag parts are really crap or nearly impossible to do with weak 13:40 <+bridge> [freenode] also true. 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah, which would be a concern of mine if the mappers actually intended to make people suffer through them as weak 13:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] usually you either get /spec or you get to choose who goes into deep, because as you said it's crap to drag with weak :P: 13:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] in drag-heavy maps /spec is really a must imo 13:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] but /spec is not always a good thing, it lets you do tee collision fuckery and sg bug 13:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anyway, my point is I don't think it's a major feature, I think it's just a quirk of physics that we learned to live with 13:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] We could always look into making spec not allow you to unspec if you are colliding with someone as it's unlikely people will change their minds about strong/weak changes 13:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] though that would allow a new form of blocking 😄 13:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe just add a command for giving strong hook that doesn't make your tee disappear 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess we could just reinsert the tee to the top of the entity list 13:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] @fokkonaut you seem to have an issue with ingame serverinfo packets for ddnet clients btw 13:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] seems you only report 63/64 there 13:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] not possible 13:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Has to be clientside 13:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Because I 100% dont do 14:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] Sorry, I must have had a partial complex seizure and saw 63/64 instead of 97/128, because that's more likely than a mistake in one of the most ridiculously complex parts of the code riddled with dozens of branches handling different types of serverinfo lol 14:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] Its not that deep for fddrace 14:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/fokkonaut/F-DDrace/blob/b24dabe21b2f683c814b17b99fd978056c14d996/src/engine/server/server.cpp#L1723 14:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] Check SendServerInfoSevendown 14:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hey, I can only tell you what I saw, it can be a client bug too. 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Thats what I said 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] What is it with people being extremely defensive and confident this month? How are you all so sure you make no mistakes? 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] I am just confident about this situation, lol. I know my code well 14:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] And @Learath2 I havent seen that issue before 14:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] Bravo, 10 years working with ddnet code I would never be so confident as to concretely claim much of anything about it as it's riddled with spaghetti and UB 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] I aspire to be as confident as you and jupeyy one day 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] as someone with a mod based on ddnet i could never be that confident 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] in my own code or otherwise x_x 14:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] ie i would assume its a server bug at first 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] Aaanyway, I have much real analysis to learn. I bid thee farewell. I'll take a look at the serverinfo parsing later anyway, will keep an eye out for a bug on the client 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] I dont know how you guys can shit talk like this now. I changed this part of the code to specifically NOT report 63/64, but x/128, then before I said its not a bug in my mod I even checked the code before and sent the link 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] who is shit talking 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] mimimi 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] :thonkery: 14:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] We aren't shit talking, atleast I'm not. I'm just very impressed 14:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] Dont make fun of the situation now 14:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] I doubt u r impressed by anything 14:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] Seriously, I honestly don't feel that confident about anything I write in the context of ddnet 14:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] I've coded many parts of the code to specifically do one thing and it ended up doing something else through the most convoluted means imaginable 14:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] i spent 30min fixing ddnet compiling on macbook just to test a 1 line pr i submitted why do. u think im kidding 14:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] i had times like this too 14:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] but not too often 14:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean i was fairly sure it would work 14:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] but still xd 14:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] odd, but still admirable 14:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] Showing 241 changed files with 68,858 additions and 6,231 deletions. 14:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 @fokkonaut since the player count in the server info tab comes from snapshots, I think the maximum amount of players there would be 63 or 64 14:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just a small mod 14:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Add another number like ID that shows how strong every tee is 14:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> 1 is the weakest, 64 the strongest 14:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 that explains it 14:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] @fokkonaut I don't know how you can tell @Learath2 that he's looking the wrong way though 14:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] @ᶰ°Konͧsti we added something similar for the next version I think 14:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> HMM 14:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] even if you coded it "the right way", there can still be bugs 14:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh wow you guys are pissed because i said its not possible and has to be clientside xD 14:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Like 14:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] ???? 14:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] We have a lot of `x + duration * tickspeed >= tick` in the code, I wonder if there is a way to prettify that 14:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] SecondsPassed(int secs) 14:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] bool 14:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] We are not pissed at all. I don't see where you see me being pissed 14:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] I see heinrich complaining for nothing 14:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] I just told you that I am oddly surprised at how confident you are in your code 14:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Lol 14:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] I am not even super confident 14:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] I just checked the code 14:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] sent a link 14:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] and said it has to be clientside 14:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] relax a bit 14:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] if someone told me my ingame serverinfo was wrong, I'd first look at where the serverinfo tab gets the player counts, then I'd look at where I send said information, then I'd look at how I collect the information 14:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd also be concerned about the fact that there is something called `SERVERINFO_INGAME` sounds like it could have something to do with it, maybe legacy baggage? 14:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] The fact that I know what I send and how I send it led me to that its a client issue 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] and i was right 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] where is the problem 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't see where you see heinrich complaining either, he gave a reasonable explanation to the issue 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] See what I mean by everyone being so defensive this month? 😛 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] xD 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] You are defensive aswell :) 14:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] We both are 14:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] How am I defensive? I just told you it could be a bug in the client for all I know. I haven't tested it 14:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] am i late to the party 14:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Isnt that defense too? 14:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just like I do 14:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Clarifying the own pov 14:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just take popcorn and read it :X 14:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 anyways I dont wanna contribute to this discussion anymore, its useless and definitely not leading anywhere 14:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] How is it defense? I gave you a bug report, something I encountered on a mod you wrote. I didn't say it was your bug, I didn't even say which client I used to join. You just instantly said made a deduction that I thought was overly certain. I pointed out that it was rather odd that you were so confident 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] where are the rendered demos stored? 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] u said u used ddnez 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, as always. Ditch me in the middle of an argument to make me look like the goof 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] LOL 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'll go review the backport PR 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum %APPDATA%/Teeworlds/videos 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] thanks 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 I really dont want to make it look like this, lets continue then 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://secret.club/2021/01/15/bitlocker-bypass.html 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] amazing site btw, check out the other articles as well 🙂 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 Now you said you didnt even say what client you used, but before you said "for ddnet clients" 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] No please, go right ahead. I'm quite used to it with heinrich and Ryozuki pulling the same thing almost weekly 🙂 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] ❤️ 14:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Also, as I said I am only mirroring my pov right now, because I dont get how you can be so offended or whatever. 14:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] I just said its a client bug and I even sent a link 14:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] Idk whats wrong about it 14:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] o_o xd 14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you work almost daily on your own mod then you just can be this sure, at least I am 14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] when am I gonna be on the list 14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Again, I don't quite see where I'm offended. I just pointed out a handful of oddities 14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] @noby check out the other one where battleye has anticheat modules specifically for reverse engineers 14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> windows sucks 14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] At least in this situation, because as I said I recently worked on that to NOT report /64 14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] heinrich is going to make the ultimate anti cheat bypass 14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] :feelssurprized: 14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm not the author of that blog ^^ 14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] although I'm aspiring to be as good as these guys. I probably never will be ^^ 14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] uh oh 14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol 14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] @TsFreddie all you need to join the club is join in on a discussion I'm having and disappear after giving an argument that's impossible to counter 14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 and since thats the only place where I send the serverinfo or generate it, I KNEW it was not my server 14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] An appeal to authority is the most common choice 14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 would it not be clear for you that its a client thing here? 14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] i bet u dont even know how every line in snapshot.cpp works from memory 14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] 14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok bye 14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] @fokkonaut no, as I don't really know where the serverinfo for the serverinfo tab ingame comes from. I guess you didn't either given it took @heinrich5991 to point out where it could be coming from 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] who cares where it comes from @Learath2, thats no information we need here 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Because 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] again 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] I just said it has to be clientside 14:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] NOTHING MORE 14:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] And i am mr super duper confident now for i xd 14:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] u* 14:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 btw did you see I got a commit in ghidra 9.2? I've officially helped the USA in their never ending quest in world domination 14:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] Nvm then i will smoke a cig xD 14:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😦 mine probably still didn't get in 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddnet helping with drug addiction every day 👍 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] @fokkonaut it's relevant information, how else would you debug said issue? 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] 🙃 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you don't know the source of the faulty information, you can't know why it happens nor where it happens 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/NationalSecurityAgency/ghidra/pull/1889 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] still open, not looked at 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 I see why heinrich and othes would leave your discussions 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] NSA :monkaS: 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkaS: 14:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] they collected heinrich data 14:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkaS: 14:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 have you checked the secret.club link I posted above? 🙂 14:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] You are kinda like chillerdragon, you cant win against you 14:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] not possible 14:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah, very hard to argue when I'm doing nothing but stating facts 14:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] me too 14:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] i remember u complaining about jupstar doing this 14:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 14:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] I give a completely reasonable argument, I even gave reasoning as to why I think this is fact unlike Jupstar 14:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 no matter how much i look up to you this discussion IS POINTLESS. 14:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] I gave my facts and arguments too 14:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you don't agree, by any means go ahead and tell me where I'm going wrong in my chain of reasoning 14:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] I did so many times now 14:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] I agree it is pointless, you are working on the assumption that I'm attacking you somehow or I'm offended 14:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] false 14:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Which I've told you like 5 times throughout that I don't care 14:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 14:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 https://github.com/NationalSecurityAgency/ghidra/pulls/Learath2 I still have 3 left, will probably never get them in 😛 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] i would pr with a alt acc just in case :pepeH: 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] I want the world to know that I've contributed to imperialism 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe they'll hire me 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] they won't. you need to be US citizen 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] probably since birth or so 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 Let me explain it a last time: 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] You told me about a bug where ingame the server info reports 63/64. 14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] And I said its not possible and has to be a clientside bug, then gave a link where you could see what the server sends. Because I recently changed it so that ddnet clients receive x/128 I knew that it was not a servers fault. And that was the only thing I said, knowing that it has to be clientside. 14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] Now where is your problem? I dont get it. Its not at all about fixing this bug right now or debugging it, it was just about that situation where you said I was oddly confident. 14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah 14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] i doubt they hire anyone on the nsa who isnt natural born in usa 14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet]