01:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] can i advertise a server? i need friends 06:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Tech Guy I think it was fine in #off-topic 09:24 <+ChillerDragon> i want to see ads @Tech Guy :) 14:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Tried out D today: https://github.com/def-/adventofcode-2020/blob/master/day11a.d 14:18 <+ChillerDragon> deen tried some D 14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] looks nice 14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] did you write D before? 14:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] No 14:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] I didn't like how awkward it is to deep copy a multi-dimensional array 14:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah yeah 14:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] ```d 14:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] foreach (y; 0 .. ns.length) s[y] = ns[y].dup; 14:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] ``` 14:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] same problem exists for py btw, if you don't reach for copy.deepcopy :/ 14:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yes, but I couldn't find deepcopy for D 14:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] can't find any either 😮 14:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] searching for d seems to be hard ^^ 14:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] so many unrelated results 14:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] search for "dlang" 14:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah, that works in google 18:04 <+ChillerDragon> @ReiTW u here? 18:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] WAT 18:18 <+ChillerDragon> pls send the image again @ReiTW :) i lost it 18:18 <+ChillerDragon> and dont ghost me in tw chat u rude 18:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] which image, the horse one? lmao 18:19 <+ChillerDragon> yes :) 18:19 <+ChillerDragon> i need it 18:19 <+ChillerDragon> and license for it 18:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] wth xD why 18:19 <+ChillerDragon> school project 18:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] wdym by license 18:19 <+ChillerDragon> no yt video ofc 18:19 <+ChillerDragon> i want ur permission to use it 18:19 <+ChillerDragon> and redistribute it under cc0 18:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] there's no face on it I guess u don't need permission lol 18:20 <+ChillerDragon> u still own copyright 18:20 <+ChillerDragon> its ur image 18:20 <+ChillerDragon> learn legal bro 18:20 <+ChillerDragon> :D 18:20 <+ChillerDragon> anyways u in? 18:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] and if you have discord I sent u on pm 18:47 <+ChillerDragon> i dont have discord u troll 18:48 <+ChillerDragon> go send me in tw chat or via mail chillerdragon@protonmail.com or @zillyhuhn on wire @ReiTW 18:48 <+ChillerDragon> or send it to @fokkonaut on discord he is my slave 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] u 18:50 <+ChillerDragon> also fix bombay server it does not allow the name length ChillerDragon :/ and also my password does not fit in max pw len 18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] noob using same pw on every server 18:59 <+ChillerDragon> no i dont 18:59 <+ChillerDragon> i just use longer pws than they allow 19:00 <+ChillerDragon> usually 19:00 <+ChillerDragon> i just realized my fddr pw is sok lemme fix that 19:17 <+ChillerDragon> maybe we want a bigger buffer here since sha map sums https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1607710491.png 19:18 <+ChillerDragon> wait or is the file ending .gho and not .ghost? 19:18 <+ChillerDragon> ah nvm its .gho 19:18 <+ChillerDragon> i thought its chopped of 19:19 <+ChillerDragon> i assume who decided on gho vs ghost also uses index.htm :D 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] well, old fat only supported 3 char file endings 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] and 8 char names 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] Christmas tourny 19:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] :POGGIES: 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/787024760738807848/Screenshot_2020-12-11-19-35-16-577_org.mozilla.firefox.jpg 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen this table makes the web look bad on mobole 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Mobile 19:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Cuz it puts whole page at that with 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe set some overflow horizontal 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or auto 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] Width* 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki can you fix it with css? I tried once and failed 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] I can, when i get home 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 19:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon sry I don't talk to noobs so i'll contact u directly 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] :kek: 20:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen fixed 20:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] ❤️ 20:15 <+ChillerDragon> css pro 20:15 <+ChillerDragon> im sure using negative margin @Ryozuki u hacker 20:16 <+ChillerDragon> hm overflow auto 20:16 <+ChillerDragon> i liked ur pr cuz im fan 20:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] nobo 20:17 <+ChillerDragon> u weekly star some random rust libs 20:17 <+ChillerDragon> i see it all 20:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] cuz im making my own full stack rust web 20:17 <+ChillerDragon> i check my github feed more often than a instragram addict 20:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] ill make a project template starter 20:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] then ill make some websites 20:17 <+ChillerDragon> wew 20:17 <+ChillerDragon> i also started my web framework 20:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] but i found out the mustache template lib is from 2018 20:18 <+ChillerDragon> written in bash ofc 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] so im gonna write it myself 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://mustache.github.io/ 20:18 <+ChillerDragon> pro 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm sure there are too few web frameworks 😅 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] :POGGIES: 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] (which is definitely the reason you started it ^^) 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 in rust there isnt any web framework that makes it easy like django 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] yea 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah ok 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] u can definitly automate 70% of web development 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 20:20 <+ChillerDragon> oh ryo building next django 20:20 <+ChillerDragon> invest now! 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] wel it will be a rly opinionated framework 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] that suits my needs 20:20 <+ChillerDragon> im sure it will be most used framework 2025 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] :POGGIES: 20:20 <+ChillerDragon> look at how all the good stuff started 20:20 <+ChillerDragon> all smol 20:21 <+ChillerDragon> java was even a temporary language :D 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk how they started 20:21 <+ChillerDragon> rust was a mem 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] tho 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] i always want to use GPL license cuz i like to enforce freedom to the face of ppl 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] but im not sure 20:21 <+ChillerDragon> its no freedom if GPL forces you to rls code 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] since in rust most is statically linked 20:21 <+ChillerDragon> force != freedom 20:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] well its not forcing, it ensures your freedom 20:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] since it propagates 20:22 <+ChillerDragon> it is not giving freedom to the devs using it 20:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] "enforcing freedom" itself is an oxymoron 20:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] is that the word? 20:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] XD 20:22 <+ChillerDragon> makes licensing combination trouble 20:22 <+ChillerDragon> haha oxymoron 20:23 <+ChillerDragon> memorys to school start to fade 20:23 <+ChillerDragon> i think its correct 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye it is 20:23 <+ChillerDragon> u so smart 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] :pepe_straight: 20:23 <+ChillerDragon> wtf 20:23 <+ChillerDragon> pepe_straight 20:23 <+ChillerDragon> :pepe_queer: 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] it means straight as in looking at u straight 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] nobo 20:24 <+ChillerDragon> thats homophobic 20:24 <+ChillerDragon> heinrich ban him 20:24 <+ChillerDragon> :D 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] :pepeH: 20:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] it would be cool to figure out how deen writes these news, i think its markdown, if i can know i may be able to wrap dates in a span and with a little js u can show the date using ur local timezone 20:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] since now we are so international 20:27 <+ChillerDragon> wait wat 20:27 <+ChillerDragon> and where is the js run? 20:27 <+ChillerDragon> in my client? 20:27 <+ChillerDragon> or web news i guess 20:28 <+ChillerDragon> i think we should enforce CET to demonstrate german dominace in tw community 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] GPL tries to ensure freedom of users, non-GPL usually ensures freedom of developers 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] I like the GPL model better 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] open source is a term made by companies 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] huh? no 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] it allows them to use software without giving back 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] by the open source foundation AFAIK 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] which is not the FSF and they dont care about freedoms 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] > The term "open source", as used to describe software, was first proposed by a group of people in the free software movement who were critical of the political agenda and moral philosophy implied in the term "free software" and sought to reframe the discourse to reflect a more commercially minded position.[3] 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] according to wikipedia 20:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html 20:32 <+ChillerDragon> well users can simply not use closed src software :p @heinrich5991 20:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] > The free software movement campaigns for freedom for the users of computing; it is a movement for freedom and justice. By contrast, the open source idea values mainly practical advantage and does not campaign for principles. This is why we do not agree with open source, and do not use that term. 20:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 what u think about using GPL in rust which is basically statically linked 20:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] there's a power difference between users and developers 20:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] i saw a big discussion in reddit 20:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] @ChillerDragon 20:33 <+ChillerDragon> hm 20:33 <+ChillerDragon> in which direction= 20:33 <+ChillerDragon> u think devs are stronger than the opinions of their users? 20:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] nobo 20:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] he says devs and users can have different freedoms 20:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] or rights? 20:34 <+ChillerDragon> "power difference" 20:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] i would say rights 20:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] a open source license ensures the devs rights, but may not ensure the user freedom 20:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] e.g. producers of goods have more power than the end consumer, so there's consumer protection agencies 20:35 <+ChillerDragon> but isnt the consumer shaping the request and thus decinding what is produced? 20:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] well, explain why we have consumer protection agencies 😉 20:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/787039851186749470/unknown.png 20:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] looks fixed 20:35 <+ChillerDragon> if society would care and dislike closed src there would be an disatvangae for producers to stay closed 20:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] it should be fixed everywhere too 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] open source seems trendy to me 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] if society would care and dislike broken products, we wouldn't need consumer protection laws that allow us to get 2 years guarantee on every electronic item 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] lot of companies try now to go into open source 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, it doesn't work that way 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] well idk 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] society doesn't like broken products. but that alone doesn't seem to suffice for some reason 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] (I'm not even talking about software yet) 20:37 <+ChillerDragon> hm 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 well in fairness u may not be able to ensure something doesnt get broken 20:37 <+ChillerDragon> f society then :D 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] add Discord Rich Presence to the client. something like this 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/787040347213135872/rpc.png 20:37 <+ChillerDragon> so we need a software protection law heinrich? :) 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] not software as is 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] digital protection 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.eff.org/ 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] hav u seen they caught a american exposing real covid data 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] he is in prison iirc 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, we need consumer protection for the internet world as well 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] the eu continued in a good way with the gdpr 20:39 <+ChillerDragon> do we have that in ger? 20:39 <+ChillerDragon> yikes 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, we do have consumer protection laws in germany 20:39 <+ChillerDragon> the only thing the gdpr gave me was annoying cookie banners 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] that's just companies trying (and failing) to comply in bad faith 20:40 <+ChillerDragon> gdpr is not more open source 20:40 <+ChillerDragon> i think open source is not only good for the user but also for society in general to share our knowledge 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] gdpr has nothing to do with open source 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] its about data protection 20:41 <+ChillerDragon> ye 20:41 <+ChillerDragon> but heinrich said gpl good because it protecc users 20:42 <+ChillerDragon> well idk 20:42 <+ChillerDragon> i still use gmail and iphone so yee 20:42 <+ChillerDragon> so hard to life the open source lyfe 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/k94eff/florida_police_raid_covid_data_whistleblowers/ 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/k8suwj/florida_state_police_raid_home_of_covid/ 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] this one is bigger 20:44 <+ChillerDragon> wat is it 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] Florida State Police Raid Home Of COVID Whistleblower, Point Guns At Her & Her Family, Seize All Her Computer Equipment 20:44 <+ChillerDragon> ye 20:44 <+ChillerDragon> but what was blown 20:44 <+ChillerDragon> what can u whistle blow about a virus? :D 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] a covid database 20:44 <+ChillerDragon> oh 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] > Earlier this year, we wrote about Rebekah Jones, the data scientist working for Florida, who put together that state's COVID-19 database (that had received widespread praise), and who was fired by the state for her failure to fake the data to make it look like Florida was handling the pandemic better than it actually was. Governor Ron DeSantis had made it clear he wanted data showing good results in order to justify reopening the state. 20:44 <+ChillerDragon> why wasnt it public in the first place? 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Since then, Jones has been running Florida COVID Action, which is a dashboard of Florida COVID information, like the one she used to run for the state. 20:45 <+ChillerDragon> like with names and shit? 20:45 <+ChillerDragon> oh 20:45 <+ChillerDragon> feke news 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] it isnt public because it shows the failure of the state 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] obviously 20:45 <+ChillerDragon> i see 20:46 <+ChillerDragon> whistleblwoing in the US is always such an inconvience 20:46 <+ChillerDragon> but its also not nice to point out ppls mistake :D 20:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] > "Once they are no longer associated with ESF8 they are no longer authorized to access the multi-user group," the FDLE affidavit said. All authorized users use the same user name and password." 20:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] LMAO 20:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] this was their security 20:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] XD 20:47 <+ChillerDragon> its as secure as a tw server 20:47 <+ChillerDragon> also only 1 admin pw 20:48 <+ChillerDragon> when pr usernames to vanilla ryo? 20:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont pr to vanilla anymore 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] they still havent decided o nthis 20:49 <+ChillerDragon> let me guess 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats how fast tw is 20:49 <+ChillerDragon> the sounds? 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] y 20:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 20:49 <+ChillerDragon> xd 20:50 <+ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1607716075.png 20:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] nobo 20:50 <+ChillerDragon> its just too complex 20:50 <+ChillerDragon> :D 20:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] :pepe_straight: 20:51 <+ChillerDragon> ok enough troll 20:51 <+ChillerDragon> gn8 bois 20:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] GDPR is a step in the right direction and many websites have decent implementations that are not abusive 20:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] As long as it's as easy to decline cookies as it is to accept them the cookie banners are great 20:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh I missed the licensing debate. In that one I like the freedom for everyone approach. MIT, BSD are great licenses that don't force anyone to do anything 20:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] "I like the freedom for everyone approach" 20:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] MIT does not ensure ur freedom 20:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats the thing 20:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] u just lying to urself 20:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] It ensures the code I write is free for anyone to use for any purpose 20:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe it ensures ur developer freedom but not ur user freedom 20:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't see how that's not free 20:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] cuz someone can use that in a private manner without showing the code or modifications 20:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] thus not ensuring ur freedom 20:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] Users freedom to do what exactly? See the source code to anything? 20:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] the four essential freedoms 20:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] That's not a right granted to you as the user by anything 20:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] > 20:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] > 20:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] > The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0). 20:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] > The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. 20:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] > The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2). 20:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] > The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this. 20:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] u just dont want full freedom, its ok 20:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ah these freedoms. What law grants you these? These are freedoms you might desire, sure. But you can't get them since there is such a thing as people owning the stuff they make 20:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] when some big company violates GPL, nothing really happens anyway, right? 20:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] so a law has to grant u the freedoms for the freedom to exist? 20:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yes 20:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats bullshit 20:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] We all agree on a common constitution in the respective countries we live in, that grant us all some freedoms 20:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont see how GPL is anti constitutional 20:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] u just dont want full freedom 20:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] not hard to admit 20:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's not, it is a choice you can make. But don't pretend it's freedom for everyone 20:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] and i wonder why u think like that 20:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] ur not a company nor represent one 20:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] why would u want something that doesnt benefit you 20:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] it bafles me 20:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Do you think companies don't benefit us? 21:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] it is freedom for everyone 21:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] companies dont care about you in any way shape or form 21:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] the benefit u get is like a carrot in a stick 21:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] to lure you 21:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] They are greedy, evil sons of bitches sure. But haven't they been spending billions on research getting us innovation? 21:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] I sure would love to live in a dream world where there is no money and we all get together to improve our world 21:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] innovation? no they research to get their pockets filled with money, if they did research they would have helped people in need 21:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] But it's not this world 21:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats also a carrot in a stick 21:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] "innovation" 21:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Exactly, they are motivated by money, status, power and in exchange they give us goods 21:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's a simple trade 21:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] and? 21:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] it doesnt mean anything 21:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] > I sure would love to live in a dream world where there is no money and we all get together to improve our world 21:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] why companies dont put all their money in a research for this model? 21:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] see how this innovation is pointless 21:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] You can protect the consumer without destroying the corporations 21:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] no you cant 21:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] The EU is a great example of this compromise 21:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] gdpr doesnt protect u much 21:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] the EU is not a saint either 21:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/10/orders-top-eus-timetable-dismantling-end-end-encryption 21:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Because like all human constructs they need motivation. What is there to gain for them in such a society? They are motivated by pure profit. If we share everything they can't profit 21:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] this is going a bit astray, but a interesting convo nevetherless 21:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think we should reach that model and at that point "profit" would be meaningless and we would search another thing 21:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] a rly good example is star trek 21:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] there is no currency 21:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] and what they do? 21:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] advance technology and explore 21:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] The gdpr lets me use google without giving them my entire life. I can now request whatever they have on me and I can compel them to delete it legally 21:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] google gets ur life data anyway 21:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] Profit can only really be meaningless if we have infinite goods. How do you propose we partition the goods? 21:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] well i think if everyone gets their basic needs assured no matter what people would change how they think 21:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] its true there may always be a greedy person seeking "profit2 21:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] but it wouldnt have that importance 21:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well I want more than the basics. What do I do? 21:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] right now society is based around money 21:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd say money is basically a way to distribute resources 21:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't think money is the problem, just how you distribute that money 21:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] hm 21:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] Communism and Marxism work great if we all decide to not be humans. So we start to either cheat (USSR) or we compromise. How much do we compromise? If we compromise too much you reinvent capitalism (USA). If we try a balancing act, we get "socialism" (EU?) 21:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean 21:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe getting infinite or nearly infinite resources is not something impossible 21:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] One could argue that humans can get over their greed or that it's not an inherent feature of the human. But I don't really see how we get there without infinite goods 21:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] u just need the technology for it 21:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] for example if we could get to the point of making a dyson sphere we would solve our power problems forever 21:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] and with infinte power u can make lot of things 21:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere 21:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well yes, probably. But is it really within our reach right now? 21:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] who knows 21:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] A dyson swarm let alone a dyson sphere is an IMMENSE undertaking for a civilization 21:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] research and effort towards that may be a start 21:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] It would require more materials than there is materials on earth 21:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] but as long as u focus on short term greed u probs will never have that 21:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 to go to a near planet and gather resources 21:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] It would require so much power to construct the thing I don't even know what could power it :P 21:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] even making not all the sphere but a part would already give lot of power 21:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats why its possible 21:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] its a incremental game 21:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] Someone needs to innovate. For that either we all pool together our resources (I don't believe it's happening unless there is an exostential threat) or people motivated by money innovate 21:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] imagine pooling resources together 21:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] research would go way faster 21:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] covid vaccine would getdone way before 21:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] its the perfect example 21:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] secrecy slows it 21:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think we should do our very best to stop the corporations from exploiting the people while they get the innovation done 21:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] to get the juicy money from the vaccine 21:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well we did get a vaccine ready in record time. There was both an existential threat and monetary motivation 21:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] It did great imo 21:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] it could have been faster 21:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] We dangled the carrot(money) and the companies just got it done 21:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 21:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] well idk if they are efficient but ye 21:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] well interesting convo, i gotta go eat my corporation food now 21:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] cya later 21:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] Could it? I think a lot of time was spent on testing. Moderna said they had the candidate they are releasing only after a week or so of starting development 21:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] I should get to sleep, I feel so extremely tired :/ 21:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just wait till the first countries start to cancel their orders 23:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] when are we banning the use of languages with pass by reference semantics? 23:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] a few days before we decide to disallow mutating values at all 23:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] I might become a functional language advocate after aoc, pythons transparent pass by reference semantics are exceptionally annoying 23:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd honestly rather work with immutables any day of the year 23:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] did you know that copying a list of list of strs doesn't copy the strs? 😄 23:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, same in D 23:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] wasted 2 hours 23:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] I noticed today during aoc as well .D 23:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] did you know that copying a list of list of ints does copy the ints?.. 23:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] Heh, that's ununituitive 23:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] python does a weird thing with numbers under 256 iirc 23:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk if its related 23:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/306313/is-operator-behaves-unexpectedly-with-integers 23:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] > The current implementation keeps an array of integer objects for all integers between -5 and 256, when you create an int in that range you actually just get back a reference to the existing object. 23:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd