02:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] i donated too 110€ 02:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] why im not added in donater list 02:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] :c 03:02 <+Learath2> so you donated and ddos'd, very interesting 03:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] omg hi Learath2 07:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] @FluffiexD where did you send it? 11:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] tbh my experience with LineageOS was aweful. During 2 months I dealed with bugs and tried to get used to the interface. After the testing I realized that I dislike this "classic android" design a lot. 11:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] tnx a lot @heinrich5991 for your render_map script. I used it in our in-game map testing system. It works very well! 12:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] @qshar what's better in your opinion? 12:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen 12:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] I really like the design and interface of MIUI. It has all the best features from Apple and Google. But there is a big problem with setting it up, because there are some hidden spying processes that are hard to delete. 12:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen can you calculate how long starkiller needed to finish all maps combined. and also can you calculate all rank1's to see how much time you would need at least to finish everything? 12:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] he already updated the news with that specific info 12:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] ooh 12:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] ```In total Starkiller finished all maps in a time of 48 days and 10 hours, with the longest time being over 17 hours on Binary and the shortest being NUT_short_race6 with just 2.22 seconds.``` 12:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] didnt see that. would still be nice to know all rank1 combined 12:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] true 12:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum 11 days and 7 hours 12:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] memes are safe 12:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] 12:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/464382050200322048/DhVYS7tXkAAN1Wj.jpg_large.jpg 12:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] (for now) 12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen thanks. that means if we all play with the same name for about 2 days, we can catch up on starkiller🤔 12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] :feelsamazingman: 12:59 <+Learath2> look at all those sold votes in the parliment, voting for their corporate overlords rather then the people who got them there (not that the european parliment represents the people at all or is democratic at all) 13:00 <+Learath2> If all these dinasaur politicians would just disappear overnight and we could all start over no one except their families would be sad 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah europe sucks 13:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] its all lobbies 13:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't think the EU sucks, I think it does useful stuff 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] see e.g. the "recently" (2016) passed gdpr 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah i know germans arent eurosceptics 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] it'd be nice if you stopped generalizing 🙂 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] europe cares little to 0 about human rights 13:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] and u can see all the countries now show their true side with the refugees 13:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] europe payed turkey in past to handle that 13:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] but now the problem is here again 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Is this the right channel for politics? 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> I would already be banned :GWfroggyMonkaThink: :feelsbadman: 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] f3 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] :f3: 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> but i agree with Ryozuki :GWqlabsFeelsGoodMan: 13:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] i find it funny heinrich applies rules he made in 5 seconds but when ppl in #general speaks another language thus breaking rule 1 he does nothing 13:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean rule 5 13:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] zooz 13:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> :GWfroggyPeepoDetective: 13:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you want to discuss moderation, please go to PMs. I can't enforce rules while I'm away. I usually talk to the people who break rules, before further sanctioning them 13:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] haHAxD 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] u were surely here when people did it alteast some times 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] please move moderation discussions into PM 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] and ill discuss moderation here 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] stop being a kid 13:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki 13:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> lol muted 13:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> i shut my mouth now :pepeH: :monkaS: 13:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] btw rules don’t have to be enforced super strict, if people talk 1 or 2 sentences in another language, they don’t have to be banned lol 13:46 <+Learath2> @Konsti this channel is the only one connected to the irc, so it's the right channel to discuss anything :P 13:46 <+Learath2> @jao +1 13:47 <+Learath2> EU doesn't suck because of it's decisions, EU as an idea doesn't suck, EU as it's currently implemented does suck 13:50 <+Learath2> basically unelected bureucrats claiming to represent countries 13:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> lmao i agree with Learath pls ban me :monkaS: 13:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] what’s the problem if the decisions don’t suck 13:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] heinrich like being super strict with me 13:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] but with broken rules at #general ? nah 13:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] cry is free 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Learath2: I'm pretty sure that every 5 years the citizens in the EU get to vote for who sits in the parliament 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe you mean the European Commision 14:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] And successful politicians will always act within the boundaries of the system, paying off their winning coalition. So murdering all politicians and replacing them with new ones wouldn't change anything, instead you have to democratize further 14:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> good when they decide how my cucumber have to look like 14:08 <+Learath2> they vote for which party sits in the parliment, except for a few conscious people no one knows who is in the party list 14:08 <+Learath2> and yeah the european commision is also a joke 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/straight-cucumbers/ 14:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] wtf 14:10 <+Learath2> 10/10 rule 14:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromyth#Straight_cucumbers 14:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] zoooooz 15:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 I'd disagree with you about gdpr. The idea is awesome indeed, but there are many things that they didn't think about. For example game servers like ours. With gdpr game moderation became close to impossible. 15:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] what does moderation have to do with the gdpr? 15:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] like keeping personal data, writing logs with it. There are many more, but I don't want to write it here :) 15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] what personal data do you keep 15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] we don't (for more than a day or so), but maybe qshar wants to save IP addresses for longer 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] we cleared this info. Now we don't have ips even in logs. 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] wouldn’t you need to disclose that to everyone when they first join ddnet 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] I just didn't see in gdpr text about keeping for 24 hours 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] it definitely doesn't specifically say 24 hours anywhere, that's true 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] that is one of the reason for our accounts (besides its awesomeness) 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] because ingame you can't confirm anything 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] but it allows you to store personal data for providing the service, i.e. spam protection etc., for a reasonable time 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] e.g. your program is allowed to save the IP address of a client in memory to respond to it 😛 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] @qshar you could force-pause players and show them an individual vote when they join 😄 15:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] yep, but you can't see it or output in logs 15:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] individual vote? 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] showing a vote to just one player, so they can f3/f4 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] nice idea 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] sounds not too easy to implement, but the idea is good. Just not much space in vote for writing all required data 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] but need to think about it 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] you could write it in the yellow server messages 15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] don't think that this would accomplish much 15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you have to gain consent, it has to be freely given – this means that people have the right to say "no", too, and not face negative consequences for it 15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] IIRC 15:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] if they say no, then they will not join the server. The system uses their data to provide the game services, and we can use it only when they agree. 15:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] if they say no, then they will not join the game. The system uses their data to provide the game services, and we can use it only when they agree. 15:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] or do I get it wrong? 15:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] By the way, for example /save code is a personal data too, so user agreement is needed to keep it 15:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well, that what I meant when said that gdpr idea is great, but in the reality is much worse. 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] GPRD, is more for companies, which store personal data and proccess them. GDPR is more than "accepting rules", it's more like system which is prepared to be safe for people, to have full control over your data in their ecosystem. 16:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] IF you have accounts, you should have options to delete everything about a certain player, move these data to another company or make possibility to download all the that you store about a guy. 16:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] GPRD in fact is very open in implementation and in what has to be subject 16:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] In my opinion, if you store data, from which you can't specify, who it belongs to, then it's k. (ofc. tracking softwares have to be accepted) 16:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] omg 16:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] for real? 16:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] u kicked Ryo bcs he said something 16:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] wtf 16:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] abuse 16:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye 16:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen he was heere all the time 16:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] he is the only guy who responed to EVERY @mod ping! 16:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] this is hilarious 16:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes he was the most active mod and while we recognize that, that shouldnt grant him a complete immunity 16:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes he was the most active mod and while we recognize that (and are very grateful for it), that shouldnt grant him a complete immunity 16:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] i agree that mod status shouldnt grant immunity but wtf did he even do 16:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😪 16:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] Im really frustrated right now 16:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] i feel you bro 16:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] Bb in an hour 16:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] @noby well lately he is always discussing stuff about moderation andhe seems never to agree with it. Normaly you cant work together then. 17:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] This is heartbreaking for me, so much time invested on ddnet, to be thrown away by a admin ****** who can't accept critisism in public and that he knows well that the `contact admin for staff things` just don't work. I find it even more disgusting that he removes me from `ingame moderator` for a forum/related stuff, when they said in the thread about the rule 11 where they 17:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] This is heartbreaking for me, so much time invested on ddnet, to be thrown away by a admin ****** who can't accept critisism in public and that he knows well that the `contact admin for staff things` just don't work. I find it even more disgusting that he removes me from `ingame moderator` for a forum/discord related stuff, when they said in the thread about the rule 11 whe 17:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] ryozuki. i kinda feel u. remember for what i lostt mod? still dont like u tho 17:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] wasn’t a decision by a single admin 17:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] i just wanted to say that textwall, i wont even try to discuss more, since i learned that its completly useless 17:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] mods actually are not much active in game, blockmark and other trolls/blockers do whatever they want and u even kick a most active moderator? 17:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] mods actually are not much active in game, blockmark and other trolls/blockers do whatever they want and u even kick the most active moderator? 18:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] This decission is not best for teeworlds in general if you ask me, but i understand what happend tho. 18:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] This decission is not best for ddnet in general if you ask me, but i understand what happend tho. 18:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] did they realy kick out the only mod who was in favor of harsh punishments for botting 18:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] smh 18:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] the main problem is that he was most active in game to ban blockers/trolls 18:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes that sucks 18:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] but being the most active mod shouldnt grand him fully immunity either right? 18:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] but being the most active mod shouldnt grand him full immunity either right? 18:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye. better remove him from release squad too 18:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] what did he even do lmao 18:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] he didnt agree with the other mods 18:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] he didnt agree with ur opinion? 18:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] kek 18:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think 18:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol 18:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] I am active in the evening if you ping #moderator 18:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] they cant see that channel 18:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] you really pitch it down with "he didn't agree" 18:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] well yeah i dont know the full story 18:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] but from what i know thats what it looks like 18:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] for me it looked like he went mental whevet he didnt like something 18:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] for me it looked like he went mental whenever he didnt like something 18:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] how do u expect someone to enforce rules if he can't follow them himself 18:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] how do u expect someone to enforce rules if they can't follow them themself 18:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] the rules are bad 18:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] then discuss the rules or whatever but don't straight up violate them. and if the result of the discussion is that they stay, live with it or the consequences of violating them 18:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] 🤔 18:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/464466495733366804/Screenshot_1.png 18:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] onby - Today at 6:22 PM 18:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] the rules are bad 18:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah that was the rule i was referring to 18:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] the others arent that bad ig 18:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] pools aren't super meaningful on such stuff, and even then, the rules wasn't removed so what makes u think it's ok to ignore them 18:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] pols aren't super meaningful on such stuff, and even then, the rules wasn't removed so what makes u think it's ok to ignore them 18:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] i already explained it on my text 18:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] why are polls not meaningful 18:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] cause people troll them or vote in their favor and not for what makes the most sense 18:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont think people who disagree with the rule are automatically trolling 18:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] it can go in both ways 18:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] and there is no way to be sure hence, not meaningful 18:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] and i dont think they are automaticaly disagreeing cuz they think it will benefit them 18:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont even play on ddnet so i have no reason to care about whether i can complain about mods 18:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] i just think that as a principle it should be allowed 18:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] so you would vote without having context -> not necessarily voting for what makes most sense 18:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] makes the most sense isnt an objective thing 18:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] there are probably good arguments for both keeping and removing the rule 18:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] voting without having insight is not good from an objective point tho 18:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] i didnt even vote 18:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think 18:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye but how do you know all voters have the needed info 18:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] not possible 18:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] hence, not meaningful 18:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] on some stuff polls are great, on others (like administrative decisions) they don't make much sense 18:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] so what is a better way to make decisions about rules 18:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] The problem is, ryo wants an open discussion about decisions, and jao talks about the resulting decisions(the actual consequences). Maybe you should stick to one point 18:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] he can have discussions, but he has to follow the rules as long as they are there 18:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] just because u discuss something you can't ignore it's there 18:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] he cant have discussions if exactly that is prohibited 18:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's not prohibited to discuss general things 18:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] "Creating threads or posts that question or reference administrative decisions or potential administrative decisions, [...]" 18:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] that includes EVERY discussion 18:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] because it doesnt list all types that are forbidden 18:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] but generalizes it 18:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's bad worded then, the rule is to prevent complains about individual staff members 18:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] but I think no one said it's not okay to discuss rules 18:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, but why shouldn't that be allowed to be discussed. he doesn't want the decisions to be unmade 18:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] he just wants clearification 18:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] that has to be discussed if you want to remove the rule 18:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] well yes, that's what he tried... ok the poll was missplaced 18:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] but the discussion was actually a good idea 18:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] the discussion was never the problem 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] he violated the rule, the violation was not that he wanted to discuss it 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] well that is the rule already 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] he can't discuss without breaking the rule 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can discuss the rule in general 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] we have not banned people for discussing that rule, and we never will 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you drag individual complains into it, then you violate the rule and it misses the point of the discussion 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] "I like open discussions where everyone can give his opinion and imo it shouldn't be private. I think everyone should know what administration is doing to judge if they are doing correctly or not" 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] he clearly states what he wants 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] dunno what you read in his post 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] we offered to link to a forum where this rule is suspended and admins can respond 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok, again: he wasn't removed for that forum thread 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah but it must be more than one complain 18:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] that is moderated by someone that is not involved in ddnet 18:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] idc why he was removed, currently it's more about the ideals of ddnet 18:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] then why you reference the forum thread like it was the reason for his removal :thonkery: 18:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen once said in an interview, that ddnet shouldn't make the mistakes ddmax did. 18:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] 18:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] now it becomes more and more intransparent for everyone 18:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] and that means it might become ddmax again 18:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] the rules is there since a long time btw 18:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] the rule is there since a long time btw 18:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think originally set up by deen himself 18:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] False 18:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] Soreu copied them from a site 18:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] and back at those times 18:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] moderators where only deens friends 18:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] which make sense for early communities 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/464472550102269952/unknown.png 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] uh 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] @jao :troll: ................................................................. 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] even if, it may not be as important as it is now 18:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] i saw that 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] what got deleted lol 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] his spam 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] ? 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] "@jao :troll: ................................................................." 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] lmao 18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] wheres matodors daily jao screenshot 18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] matodor go to army in next 2 days :redstripe: 18:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😦 18:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Matodor send mlife before u die :) 18:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] someone have android 5.1 or 5.1.1 version? 18:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] lifehack, send to chat `+:troll:` 18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] so since ddnet mostly consists of volunteers. that is the main base for a working ->and growing<- community. 18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] 18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] So why don't you give the exact details, why he was removed, and what the problems with his opposed meanings(towards the admins) are? 18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] and then we can discuss it 18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] who said something about opposed meanings, he violated rule 18:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] show me 18:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] jupstar +1 18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://hastebin.com/raw/budurecuxe 18:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] might have another discussion between 18:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah 18:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats exactly what this stupid rule says 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] he has no chance 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] he was offered to go to PMs, he choose to not listen 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] after he was muted he even joined with 2 other accounts to evade the mute 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] why was he muted [seemingly?] without warning 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] well than take his posts away. 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] i will ask the exact same question and break the rule 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] he was offered to go to PMs, he choosed to not listen 18:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] there was a warning 19:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] (heinrich asking him to go to pms) 19:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] also he pulled the same stuff before, and he was warned there too 19:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] (before = weeks ago) 19:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont count that as a direct warning but ok 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] he doesn't even wants(or atleast he doesn't state) to remove any rules 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] he clearly only says that there is no insight in admins decisions 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] why PM then? 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] i want to know everything too 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] what does it matter how long ago it was 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] just wanted to state it 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] im free to do so (for now) 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes then discuss that, but don't straight up ignore rules lol 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] then you can fuck on all rules 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] transparency is good 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] THE RULE SAYS NO DISCUSSIOn 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] dude 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's bad worded then as I already said, and ryozuki knew that it was okay to discuss the rule itself without dragging individual complaints into it 19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] he only complains on how decisions were made here 19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] wow 19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] such a great discussion 19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] 🍿 19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] yea, exactly 19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] as always, the same persons 19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] he complaint about individual stuff yes 19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] and as he is free to do so in private, he shouldn't make a public rant about it 19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] they will never agree with each other 19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😄 19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] i also want to state that, i dont find that removing my moderator status has something to do with breaking this rule here, i find 0 correlation in banning annoying blockers in game with breaking a rule about complaining here 19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] and aaa puts it like moderator is a nice status to have and its all happiness lol 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/464476826367164418/unknown.png 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] wtf does this have to do with me 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] snail - Today at 4:44 PM 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes he was the most active mod and while we recognize that (and are very grateful for it), that shouldnt grant him a complete immunity(edited) 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] snail - Today at 6:15 PM 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes that sucks 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] but being the most active mod shouldnt grand him full immunity either right?(edited) 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] so jao, then qoute ryozukis exact rule violation, before qouting the rules over and over again 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] and where did i state that it was complete happiness/nice status / whatever? 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] in that quote 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] "immunity" 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] what immunity gives you being moderator 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] i literally just wrote that we are thankful for what u did but that doesnt mean we should always bypass when u break rules or when ppl complain about u 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Jupstar ✪ he did it himself 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] see 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] see what 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] people said "ryozuki shouldnt have been kicked because hes the most active mod" aka => he should get an immunity whenever he breaks rules 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] and i say, in his text there is nothing wrong except that he can't even discuss 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] i just said thats not how it works 19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] he quoted his violatin himself 19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] he only complains about missing transparency 19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] he didn't say "heinrich remove it" 19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] when did I say that it was about him wanting the rule to be gone LOL 19:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] I said it's not about the rule discussion multiple times now.. 19:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Savander "they will never agree with each other" that is the problem 19:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] God dammit guys, you looks like polish politicians. 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] you're barking the same phrases for 30 minutes 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just stop 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] no the problem is, if we stop now the admins win 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] you don't listen 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] you just barking 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] they aren't clear 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] he says, ryo gave the answer 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] i don't see the conflict in his text 19:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] he has no chance to win, because the admins can lay down their rules as they want 19:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] the rules must be 100% clear and they shouldn't be untouchable 19:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] and if he complains about moderation problems 19:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] then it's in the end result of a rule 19:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk what you want, I said again and again that discussing rules itself is ok 19:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah, but as i said, he doesn't attack heinrich directly 19:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] he more or less wants insight into what makes heinrich's moderation style (or what ever admin) to what it it 19:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] he more or less wants insight into what makes heinrich's moderation style (or what ever admin) to what it is 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] he needs to give examples 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] that breaks the rule 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] nice 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye and heinrich offered him to go to PMs to get clarification on that. instead ryozuki ignores it and even evades mutes 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] why in pm 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] everyone should know this 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] because that's the current rule 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] see 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] Discussing someones actions is not done in public 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes then discuss that rule 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] as I said 10 times now 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] its a bad rule 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] No u 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] he has no chance in this dictatorship. untouchable admins 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] are u ryozuki's alt 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] :thonkery: 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] he is not 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] i thought u already tried to lead the topic towards it being a bad rule 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, im just objective 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] because i don't play on ddnet 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] and to note: i never talked to jupstar before 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] Brunei government! 19:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] and people like it 😄 19:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] jupstar is keks lol 19:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk how you can say they are untouchable if heinrich literally offeres to discuss it and I say again and again that discussing rules is fine 19:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddnet's cmake file is quite something 👀 19:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] and in his forum he wants transparency 19:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] quite? like what 😄 19:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] most ppl liked it 19:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] and then he wants open discussions, bcs thats what everyone wants 19:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] except the admins that in the end, can lay down the rules so it fits their needs 19:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well just like a normal goverment people have to accept which road their leaders choose. There are always people who hate on decision but yeah. 19:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] cmake whispering to you? 😮 19:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] don't you see that circulation of not getting any chance without once breaking the rule 19:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Savander just read up the latest ddnet+tw discussion and someone suggested it to move from bam to cmake as ddnet has done. but I dont know seeing this 1k+ build file now /: 19:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] why people think, that everyone should be equal? 19:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Savander just read up the latest ddnet+tw discussion and someone suggested to move from bam to cmake as ddnet has done. but I dont know seeing this 1k+ build file now /: 19:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] why do you think a community based game (mostly running by donations) give anybody the right to rule? 19:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] i never said everyone should make admin decisions 19:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] i am here for tranparency 19:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] because, they made it? 19:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] and open discussions 19:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] Of course someone needs to rule 19:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] No leader is even worse 19:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] i don't care that you gave money, they are exectuoners 19:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] i don't care that you gave money, they are executioners 19:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] deen made it, i want to see deen saying ryo was bad because .... and will be removed from moderation because .... and that rule is there because .... 19:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] why is anyone arguing against transparency 19:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] i cant think of a good reason 19:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you can't give so much insight, it's no moderation at all 19:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] They have full rights to do things, how they think it's good way to do. 19:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] do you think, that there is one best system? 19:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] there's not 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] indeed 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] this system clearly splits the community 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] see the forum post about the "rule removing" 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] there always will be some people annoyed. 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] i follow the subject 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] don't need to check 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's the best example of what community wants and what not 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] community it's not only 2% of whole game base 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] yea, they are most active 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] but they are not the most 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] after all, democracy isn't the best system at all. Since people are often stupid 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] but if the community says ryo was a good moderator 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] and ryo breaks a rule, that the community dislikes too 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] i strongly questining if something else than ryo is the problem 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] why should the vote of someone who plays once a year count the same as the vote of someone who plays everyday 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Lol 98% of the community doesn't give a fuck and just play ddnet maps 19:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes that's the best idea too @n000b , but a utopia 19:21 <+bridge> [ddnet]