00:45 < bridge_> <teero777> https://tenor.com/view/imostergolfra-gif-25274972
02:46 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> ryo C enjoyer
02:46 < ws-client> <ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1714524214.png
08:40 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> he is someone different now
09:26 < bridge_> <ryozuki> https://zju3dv.github.io/LoG_webpage/
09:30 < bridge_> <ryozuki> @learath2 the worst news possible
09:30 < bridge_> <ryozuki> https://mastodon.social/@pid_eins/112353324518585654
09:30 < bridge_> <ryozuki> Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced (mastodon.social)
09:31 < bridge_> <ryozuki> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40205714
10:03 < bridge_> <learath2> Why...
10:25 < bridge_> <learath2> Unannounce it
12:33 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> should be fixed now
12:33 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> simply no read access for the web server
12:35 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> rewind time everybody
12:58 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> C++ doesn't have a test runner. feel free to replace it if you find something better than gtest
12:58 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> dependencies are only bad in languages that cna't manage them properly… like c++…
12:58 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> you need to sign a cla with your real name to contribute
13:04 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> that should absolutely not be necessary. we're not doing an endian conversion there
13:25 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> thanks, added to my backup
13:28 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> no. messages like that are stupid. what is the user supposed to do? click no?
13:32 < bridge_> <learath2> Oh, hm, yeah not really an option for you as you don't associate this name to your real name
13:33 < bridge_> <meloƞ> exactly - the redirect would happen either from rcon, a vote or game tile - whatever it is, we should give the user the possibility to decline said redirect ? or am i understanding your point wrong here - because i'd personally like the possibility to decline - say you have a server "lobby" with 10 game tiles redirecting to different servers (like a hub) - you'd want to cancel a redirect if you picked the wrong one or you didnt intend to go there.
13:33 < bridge_> <meloƞ> exactly - the redirect would happen either from rcon, a vote or game tile - whatever it is, we should give the user the possibility to decline said redirect ? or am i understanding your point wrong here - because i'd personally like the possibility to decline. Say you have a server "lobby" with 10 game tiles redirecting to different servers (like a hub) - you'd want to cancel a redirect if you picked the wrong one or you didnt intend to go there.
13:33 < bridge_> <learath2> I think that comment was in context with a discussion Jupstar started about the redirects potentially violating gdpr
13:34 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> we count the 0 twice in that case
13:36 < bridge_> <learath2> I disagree that it's our responsibility to care about that though, but that was the context
13:36 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> https://docs.rs/twstorage/0.1.1/twstorage/enum.Version.html you should probably mark this as `#[non_exhaustive]` in the next incompatible version so you can add more variants later
13:37 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> I'm not sure there's anything async-able in there
13:37 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> hello from the past
13:39 < bridge_> <meloƞ> i see - i saw the message as a direct response to zhn's message about giving people the possiblity to decline a redirect and i personally didnt see a reason to call such option "stupid"
13:39 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> the server can just disconnect you if you don't want to disconnect on your own. not much you can do at this point
13:40 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> what I want to say is that these messages don't empower the user to actually do anything
13:40 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> whatsapp doesn't get access to the contact book if you decline it. but then whatsapp declines to allow you to contact new people
13:41 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> the user didn't win here
13:41 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> the server redirects you. you get a popup. you click no. great, you're now in the main menu
13:41 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> you didn't get anything from your choice
13:42 < bridge_> <meloƞ> what if the server only disconnects after you agreed? that way my point still stands if its used in the context of a server hub
13:42 < bridge_> <meloƞ> what if the server only disconnects after you agreed? that way my point still stands if its used in the context of an ingame server hub
13:43 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> then the server can also ask you beforehand
13:43 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> the problem with such mandatory popup is that the user doesn't win anything but everyone is annoyed
13:43 < bridge_> <learath2> I guess you didn't get your ip and player name transferred to a server you did not consent to process that information
13:43 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> because you now have to click somewhere
13:43 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> I can just as well illegaly transfer your name and IP address without asking you
13:44 < bridge_> <learath2> That was my argument aswell
13:44 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> not sure what this is about. if it's illegal, the server has to notify you beforehand anyway
13:44 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> in either case
13:44 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> no need for a client side extra box
13:44 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> no need for a client side extra message box
13:46 < bridge_> <robyt3> If you want to confirm the user's choice in an ingame server hub you could add a separate room after selecting each server where it shows the IP in chat/broadcast/map and you choose by navigating to a teleport ingame, which seems much less disruptive than a popup message
13:47 < bridge_> <robyt3> If you want to confirm the user's choice in an ingame server hub you could add a separate room after selecting each server where it shows the IP in chat/broadcast/map and you choose by navigating to a teleport/redirect tile ingame, which seems much less disruptive than a popup message
13:47 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> open_file, he wants to mimic ddnet's storage system
13:47 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> ah, fair 🙂
13:54 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> I like the explanation of why. it doesn't rely on setuid binaries
13:57 < bridge_> <learath2> It instead relies on a monolithic blackbox with so many lines of code that auditing it would be a gargantuan task. That's so much better
14:00 < bridge_> <learath2> Setuid binaries are a very well understood vector. They have been part of the attacker model since the very start. I trust the decades of scrutiny that part of the linux kernel went through far more than I trust systemd
14:04 < bridge_> <learath2> I did not even notice that it was Poettering himself that announced it. When will people see that this narcissist is just trying to create a world in which everything depends on his mess of an init system?
14:06 < bridge_> <learath2> We would literally not tolerate this from anyone else. Not a person not a corporation. Everyone understands that this sort of hyperdependence is extremely bad. How would you feel if neovim depended on libreoffice being installed? Or if firefox depended on chromium?
14:40 < bridge_> <Peakies> On WSL Ubuntu getting this errors when trying to compile DDNet
14:40 < bridge_> <Peakies> ```
14:40 < bridge_> <Peakies> /usr/bin/ld.gold: error: /mnt/g/Dev/Curl/lib/libz.a: plugin failed to claim member compress.c.obj at 4144
14:40 < bridge_> <Peakies> /usr/bin/ld.gold: error: /mnt/g/Dev/Curl/lib/libz.a: plugin failed to claim member crc32.c.obj at 5748
14:40 < bridge_> <Peakies> /usr/bin/ld.gold: error: /mnt/g/Dev/Curl/lib/libz.a: plugin failed to claim member inflate.c.obj at 64708
14:40 < bridge_> <Peakies> /usr/bin/ld.gold: error: /mnt/g/Dev/Curl/lib/libz.a: plugin failed to claim member uncompr.c.obj at 118466
14:40 < bridge_> <Peakies> /usr/bin/ld.gold: error: /mnt/g/Dev/Curl/lib/libz.a: plugin failed to claim member zutil.c.obj at 119780
14:40 < bridge_> <Peakies> ```
14:41 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> why is the path dev curl lib
14:41 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> xd
14:41 < bridge_> <Peakies> no idea
14:41 < bridge_> <Peakies> it was fix and now I can't compile and debug server on WSL 😦
14:41 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> it seems like it finds a very weird libz or smth
14:42 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> 
14:42 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> can u do:
14:42 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> 
14:42 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> ```
14:42 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> sudo apt install build-essential cargo cmake git glslang-tools google-mock libavcodec-extra libavdevice-dev libavfilter-dev libavformat-dev libavutil-dev libcurl4-openssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libglew-dev libnotify-dev libogg-dev libopus-dev libopusfile-dev libpng-dev libsdl2-dev libsqlite3-dev libssl-dev libvulkan-dev libwavpack-dev libx264-dev python3 rustc spirv-tools
14:42 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> ```
14:42 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> 
14:42 < bridge_> <Jupstar ✪> then remove CmakeCache.txt and try to compile again
14:42 < bridge_> <Peakies> already did with --reinstall and without that and still the same
14:44 < bridge_> <Peakies> ohh I find out what's going on
14:44 < bridge_> <Peakies> /mnt/g/ is my drive G on windows wtf
14:44 < bridge_> <Peakies> why should it iink curl by using that path 😐
14:44 < bridge_> <Peakies> why should it link curl by using that path 😐
14:49 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> I don't think setuid binaries are a good security concept (especially not for the sole reason that they've been around for a long time)
14:49 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> I won't comment on the merits of systemd itself
14:50 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> but this particular point resonated with me
14:51 < bridge_> <learath2> Okay, and I don't think massive unauditable monoliths that have been around even shorter are any better. That's all
14:51 < bridge_> <Peakies> * fixed by removing curl library and include folder of windows path
14:51 < bridge_> <Peakies> * fixed by removing curl's library and include folder of windows path
14:52 < bridge_> <Peakies> * fixed by removing curl's library and include folder of windows's path
14:52 < bridge_> <Peakies> * fixed by removing curl's library and include folder of windows's environment variables
14:52 < bridge_> <Peakies> * fixed by removing curl's library and include folder of windows environment variables
15:41 < bridge_> <murpi> The github ddnet/ddnet repository reached 500 stars :owo:
15:44 < bridge_> <meloƞ> 501 now! :gigachad:
16:22 < bridge_> <Peakies> 502 now 😎
16:42 < bridge_> <headshotnoby> what to do then
16:43 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> the code as-is wasn't working?
16:43 < bridge_> <headshotnoby> no
16:46 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> the problem is here: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/2cd877f0cef1a821544437a37760b28e2a08f088/src/engine/shared/network.cpp#L140
16:46 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> we dump the variable in memory-order onto the network
17:18 < bridge_> <zhn> if you click no, client will not automatically redirect you next time, if you click yes, server will be listed as verified on client side until player modify it itself so they will have no need in seeing this msgbox ever again
17:18 < bridge_> <zhn> message like this will prevent auto-redirect, and will allow to auto-redirect if ita intended
17:18 < bridge_> <zhn> its*
17:20 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> I don't get what this message box adds
17:23 < bridge_> <zhn> its like http redirect in browsers
17:23 < bridge_> <zhn> you have additional step to connect
17:24 < bridge_> <zhn> if you want to connect to this server without this annoying msgbox you can just tick a checkbox
18:12 < bridge_> <meloƞ> @heinrich5991 will auto-merge break if i squash the commits? or does it do that automatically
18:21 < bridge_> <pluskz> thanks
18:38 < bridge_> <murpi> https://tenor.com/view/grammar-police-drift-police-car-gif-17312786
18:38 < bridge_> <meloƞ> :pepe_holy: oh god pls i have a wife and kids
18:41 < bridge_> <meloƞ> but still, will auto-merge break if i squash? XD
18:51 < bridge_> <meloƞ> I guess it does because of Missing write Access
19:51 < bridge_> <heinrich5991> yes, but I can just press the merge button again
21:14 < bridge_> <reitw> @blaiszephyr nub
21:15 < bridge_> <meloƞ> :kek:
22:14 < bridge_> <mazty> how can i use ```cpp m_pClient``` in game/client/prediction/entities/character.cpp?
22:14 < bridge_> <mazty> how can i use ```cpp
22:14 < bridge_> <mazty>  m_pClient``` in game/client/prediction/entities/character.cpp?
22:14 < bridge_> <mazty> how can i use ```cpp
22:14 < bridge_> <mazty>  m_pClient->``` in game/client/prediction/entities/character.cpp?
22:14 < bridge_> <mazty> how can i use ```cpp
22:14 < bridge_> <mazty> m_pClient->``` in game/client/prediction/entities/character.cpp?
22:15 < bridge_> <mazty> i get this when i wanna use it: ```error: ‘m_pClient’ was not declared in this scope;```
23:49 < bridge_> <Ewan> you're attempting to access a member (`m_pClient`) of a class which does not have it
23:49 < bridge_> <Ewan> you can request the client instance from the engine
23:50 < bridge_> <Ewan> you can request the client instance from the kernel
23:51 < bridge_> <Ewan> ```cpp
23:51 < bridge_> <Ewan>     IClient *pClient = Kernel()->RequestInterface<IClient>();
23:51 < bridge_> <Ewan> ```
23:52 < bridge_> <Ewan> okay maybe you can't
23:55 < bridge_> <Ewan> oh you're changing prediction code
23:56 < bridge_> <Ewan> i believe the state of prediction can't be attached to (more or less) 'global' state components like the engine because the data in there doesn't necessarily represent the point in time that the prediction is actually working at
23:56 < bridge_> <Ewan> i believe the state of prediction can't be attached to (more or less) 'global' state components like the client or kernel because the data in there doesn't necessarily represent the point in time that the prediction is actually working at
23:57 < bridge_> <Ewan> so fundamentally you should take another approach